RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Frank roarty
between different regions while atomic gas is able to change into the new fractional values or DDL unopposed. Fran From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? Ok, cool.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ok, cool. That is where we differ. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Yes, isotropic. > > > 2014-04-29 18:44 GMT-03:00 ChemE Stewart > > >: > >> Isotropic? >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha >> > >> wrote: >> >>> Vacuum? What kind of vacuum? If you are talking ab

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, isotropic. 2014-04-29 18:44 GMT-03:00 ChemE Stewart : > Isotropic? > > > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> Vacuum? What kind of vacuum? If you are talking about field theory, yes, >> sure, but that is "potential" energy. It can be set to 0. But, there is the >> vacuum fo

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Isotropic? On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Vacuum? What kind of vacuum? If you are talking about field theory, yes, > sure, but that is "potential" energy. It can be set to 0. But, there is the > vacuum for GR, the lambda. Which is small... really small... > > > 2014-04-29 18:3

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Vacuum? What kind of vacuum? If you are talking about field theory, yes, sure, but that is "potential" energy. It can be set to 0. But, there is the vacuum for GR, the lambda. Which is small... really small... 2014-04-29 18:38 GMT-03:00 ChemE Stewart : > Do you think we have vacuum in our atmosp

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Do you think we have vacuum in our atmosphere ? If yes, do think it is smooth and isotopic ? On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Ok, I misinterpreted you, I thought you said he thought it was good enough > > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha > > > wrote: > >> Yes, I read

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ok, I misinterpreted you, I thought you said he thought it was good enough On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Yes, I read that, but I don't agree with him. It's not convincing because > he is used to a great precision, but I, that I am not used to that, think > it is good enough.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, I read that, but I don't agree with him. It's not convincing because he is used to a great precision, but I, that I am not used to that, think it is good enough. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Funny, his words are different then your interpretation ( http://www.atoptics.co.uk/opod.htm): To me he is saying they are "not convincing". Excuse the weird font, I pasted from his site. However, ray tracings using them are not convincing. .. They would require different simulation approaches

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe, why not? These days we can film while watching the final image. Besides, he says there were 2 pictures known. So, we also could also consider that he did not see while not watching with his eyes first. As for the physicist, it seems that while not reproducing exactly, it was good enough. The

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Are you saying the camera lense created the phenom and that the photographer did not see it with his own eyes first? The physicist is even saying he cannot recreate the scene with his optical halo program using flattened pyramidal crystals On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
And also aligned with the photographer... 2014-04-29 17:31 GMT-03:00 ChemE Stewart : > Right, it is not an arc, it is a cusp of vacuum energy, gravitationally > aligned with our solar brane. > > > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> This is probably due the camera, an not the s

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
might have surprises!* > > > > -- Forwarded message ------ > From: *ChemE Stewart* > Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 > Subject: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > > > http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illu

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right, it is not an arc, it is a cusp of vacuum energy, gravitationally aligned with our solar brane. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Daniel Rocha wrote: > This is probably due the camera, an not the sky, due the V shape, which is > not an arc, which is usually as seen on sky. > > > > -- > Daniel Ro

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
or these pillars and to some extent also for elliptical halos themselves. * *Look carefully at sun pillars - they might have surprises!* -- Forwarded message -- From: *ChemE Stewart* Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 Subject: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? To: "v

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is probably due the camera, an not the sky, due the V shape, which is not an arc, which is usually as seen on sky. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Radiation Jets= condensed vapor on the wings of 2 air planes. ( or if you refer the long tail from the sun to W, mutilple reflections within the lens until hit the photon detector) W= lens flare, specifially, Glory, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_(optical_phenomenon) , more specifially, acircu

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Thanks, I had looked at that one. Conventional physics will tell you it is all done from hexagonal ice crystals. They don't necessarily tell you how they all form/align to create the beautiful gravitational lensing patterns. They ALSO MAGNIFY Amazingly these two ice halos beautifully match the

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > More brane leakage from the other side... > You'll love this one: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/27/halos_and_arcs_optical_effects_photographed_by_g_ran_strand.html

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
More brane leakage from the other side... http://inspirehep.net/record/811530/plots -- Forwarded message -- From: *Eric Walker* Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 Subject: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:29 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
:* MarkI-Zeropoint > [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] > > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 7:51 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? > > > > That's easy! > > ;-) > > > > Red

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
displacement or event horizions occurring in NJ so what was he trying to say? Fran From: MarkI-Zeropoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 7:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? That's easy! ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:29 AM, David Roberson wrote: A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the > CMB. Another thought -- we assume that because conservation of energy is borne out experimentally on the local scale that it also applies to the cosmic scale. But

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
e worthy for the > astrophysics guys? > > Finally, I had a problem visualizing the thinness of the mirrors in a > real experiment. Also that they apparently reflect from both sides > equally. > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread MarkI-Zeropoint
That's easy! ;-) Reduce the turbulence in the stream, which for the Dirac Sea, means using an intense electric or magnetic field to polarize the vacuum... -mark iverson On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie ca

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Cook
s in a real experiment. Also that they apparently reflect from both sides equally. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? http://physicsworld.com/cws/

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
t; > > To: vortex-l > > > > Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 5:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? > > Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart. > > >

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread David Roberson
: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Terry Blanton
Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
reedom of movement by > expanding the region that it occupies. This process should result in an > expansive force. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: ChemE Stewart > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 4:25 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the C

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread David Roberson
Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects In addition to gravitational effects I think

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects In addition to gravitational effects I think it is electromagnetic (think magnetosphere) and weakly ionizing/decaying 3-space (think ionosphere) and electromagnetic/lightning

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread H Veeder
Could the dirac sea also explain the observed red shift? Harry On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for > this premise: > > > > 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an > illusion

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Axil Axil
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/nov/17/how-to-turn-darkness-into-light Photons are formed from the vacuum as a part of the virtual particle formation process. But do photons give up vacuum energy if they annihilate with their antiparticle? Does the photon have an antiparticle(antipho

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for this premise: 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects 2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter 3)CMB is not a relic of a

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread David Roberson
Good question. If dark matter and dark energy exist then they must have consequences. The researchers may have been looking in the wrong places thus far. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 2:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html On Monday, April 28, 2014, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* David Roberson > > > > A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the > CMB. Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the CMB. Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive objects. I have long wondered how this congreg

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread David Roberson
and high temperatures as with ordinary matter. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 11:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? -Original Message- From: Bob Cook The link you noted for the Fi

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
Here is a paper which assumes the temperature of thermal motion of Dirac sea equal the temperature of Cosmological Microwave Background... if there is a valid mathematical connection, then at least the prima facie case has been made. http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook The link you noted for the Finders University discusses process physics, but I did not see anything about the microwave background radiation coming from a Dirac sea. Is there a separate paper that is more explicit? I have confused notes on the origin

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Cook
To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 7:08 AM Subject: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea? Poser of the Day ... Cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is almost universally assumed to be the photon remnants which are left over from the "Big Bang" of cosmology. That assum

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's right. I think our weather contains decaying strings of vacuum in the jetstreams attached to our earth d-brane, which "inflate" into supercells (closed strings) of decaying vacuum which ionize and condense everything and produce water vapor and precipitation. The vacuum streams to Earth in

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is one of the main reasons for the theory of inflation. 2014-04-28 11:08 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene : > we should detect a fairly uniform relic > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jones, I think you are right and it is also responsible for a part of the normal background radiation here on Earth, which increases slightly during many storms, many of which I think are caused by an increase in local vacuum energy and not just hot and cold. We were born into a world where "space

[Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
Poser of the Day ... Cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is almost universally assumed to be the photon remnants which are left over from the "Big Bang" of cosmology. That assumption has more holes than Swiss cheese. Compounding one error in another is the best that can be said for it. ht