McKubre believes in the Conservation of Miracles. I agree with him and
would add my version: Different dog, same leg action. What is at the
heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For all the early years
the effect was called the Fleischmann-Pons Effect. Why change it now?
I say give
Hello gang,
As a friend of Abd Lomax, I am keenly interested in his evolving plans
over the last two years to make a cheap do-it-yourself-at-home kit for
replicating the detection of neutron tracks in plastic film adjacent
to a 50 ml thin wall plastic cell with a palladium chloride and
lithium
One other thought is that for a given electric charge to move in a way that
creates a photon it must move it's inertial mass around.
The issue is that the inertial mass of an electron and a proton is highly
different.
This begs the question of if it takes the same energy or not to release the
- Original Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 19.12.2011 03:03
Betreff: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests
described by McKubre
Here is a key issue. Rossi's personality is an open book thanks to
Couple of clarifications from an Italian speaker over on Talk Polywell:
- Regarding the Gammas Celani stated that they are the final product
of the reaction that can be removed (note: this was really not clear.)
- Regarding the Catalyst, Celani thinks that it must be a metal like
Platinum or
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 15:10 -0500, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
I don't know. The hotter the better the reaction. The hotter the
more hydrogen is driven out and the worse the reaction.
If I knew I would do it.
But doesn't your theory revolve around the idea that the distances
affected by the
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Gene went from a top academic career to working in a warehouse at night
to feed his family.
He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career, no.
Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible time.
Too much
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
He sure knew what he was getting into. Fleischmann wrote a lighthearted
account of this, quoted in Beaudette's book. It starts off with Arrhenius
in 1883. He was one of the most important electrochemists in history,
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Gene went from a top academic career to working in a
warehouse at night to feed his family.
He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career,
no.
Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
This is so wrong as to make me very upset. I'll do anything I can to get
hold of a FPE device from Leonardo or Defkalion or who ever and shove it up
some FPE deniers back side so far the sun will never shine on it
Cude what does this have to do with FP having been replicated in many
labs all over the world? You need to accept that the FPE is real and
move on to working out why it happens. Oh BTW you just might apologize
to FP for the treatment they received by you and your mates.
Would you please
I state again. 1 professor, 1 grad and 2 high school students replicated
FP in a MIT lab in front of over 100 ICCF 10 participants in 2002 and
2003. The observed excess heat and transmutations. The FPE is real and
can be easily replicated. Sorry but I have a Royal Flush and you have a
pair of
On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
McKubre believes in the Conservation of Miracles. I agree with
him and would add my version: Different dog, same leg action.
What is at the heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For
all the early years the effect was called
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Cude what does this have to do with FP having been replicated in many
labs all over the world?
They haven't been. McKubre himself has said that no one has achieved
quantitative reproducibility. And interlay
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I state again. 1 professor, 1 grad and 2 high school students replicated
FP in a MIT lab in front of over 100 ICCF 10 participants in 2002 and
2003. The observed excess heat and transmutations.
It wasn't enough
Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the exact
process that caused Effect A and Effect B to have a different pathway.
Until that time, if it ever occurs, I feel Different Dog, Same Leg
Action is the road to follow. I have no problem if say WL is proven to
be the
I can't believe you really think that is a correct assessment. FP have
been replicated. Just have a read through Jed's archives. Christ man
high school students replicated PF with both excess heat and
transmutations, in a MIT lab and in front of over 100 ICCF 10 attendees?
Where you there?
On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
McKubre believes in the Conservation of Miracles. I agree with
him and would add my version: Different dog, same leg action.
What is at the heart of the FPE drives all the effects we see. For
all the early years the effect was called
Did the DOE visit the students results? I suggest not. Did they sit in
front of a SEM and see the transmutated products? I suggest they did not
and never left their office. Sorry but real word results trumps DOE
theory anytime. As far as replicating PF, did you actually read the
test results
On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the
exact process that caused Effect A and Effect B to have a different
pathway. Until that time, if it ever occurs, I feel Different Dog,
Same Leg Action is the road to
Hi Aussie Guy,
Jones Beene and I kicked around a similar idea of a pressurized tube
with the h1 squeezing
Out instead of the Arrata style nested Pd reactors where the pressurized H2
squeezes into the interior tube.
We exchanged ideas regarding pourous staninless steel tubes with
From Susan
Jed,
How we call inidipendent the tests made by
Ampenergo ? Do we have something else excepts a bunch
of words ? Do you know who they are ? These guys are
all friends or in someway related to Rossi.
Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from
(Leonardo, LTI..). I
Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ?
Yes, data.
Do you know who they are ?
Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully.
These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi.
No, they are not.
Sorry but in
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Gene went from a top academic career to working in a
warehouse at night to feed his family.
He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career,
no.
In my opinion, being the science writer at MIT puts you at the top of your
Jed Rothwell wrote:
You did not know him. You did not spend weeks at his house, as I
did. You do know what he accomplished, or what difficulties he
faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about
him.
I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote
what you
You write too much. A lot of citations and it is unclear in which context there
where made.
A citation from Westinghouse, who where a competitor.
(If this citation was about AC, then Westinghouse was correct. Not anything
that Edison did or propagated, was a success)
I think your other
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
You have seen the high school students doing FPE excess heat experiments at
MIT during ICCF-10?
I loved those kids! They know more chemistry than I'll ever master. But the
experiment was far from definitive. I would call it suggestive, and
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about
him.
I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote
what you are replying to.
I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind.
I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I
As the theocracy unravels, opportunities for reform may present themselves.
We can hope that such Reformation is not as bloody as that which
followed Galileo but the modern era has given rise to much worse phenomena
in reaction to calcified institutions, such as Pol Pot's Khmer
Jed Rothwell wrote:
I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind.
I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I wasn't paying much
attention to the top of the message, or who wrote it. Sorry
about that.
That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him
rather than you or the other
I remember the day when one out of every two messages was from Horace.
Not a lot of room to talk there.
Frank
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him
rather than you or the other optimists here.
Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn
optimism into pessimism? To fix those optimists?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek
vorl@antichef.com wrote:
That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him
rather than you or the other optimists here.
Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn
optimism into pessimism? To fix those
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ?
Yes, data.
Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay and bad
hearsay at that because the
Am 19.12.2011 15:43, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Susanna Gippsusan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ?
Yes, data.
Do you know who they are ?
Yes, I said I did. Please read my message more carefully.
Same what Allan Sterling says about the Penderev
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, data.
Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . .
No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from
Ampenergo.
and bad hearsay at that because the conditions under which the results
were
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, data.
Ampenergo, like Levi/February 2011 are not data. They are hearsay . . .
No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is from
Ampenergo.
And I
Vortex is a great list.. but I think it has outgrown the email list format.
I propose moving the list to a modern web forum based product. Modern
forums allow embedded HTML/multimedia, moderation,
yellow-card/red-card infractions, personal messaging, email
protection, full searching, plus all the
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
You write too much.
You do not read enough.
- Jed
+1 I would live to see this list migrate to a forum for reasons already mentioned by Brad
I received this in email from someone who prefers to remain anonymous:
Regarding Rossi's relationship with Ampenergo, I find it interesting that
Rossi's company (Leonardo Corp.) and Ampenergo share the same rented office
space, which is owned by Ampenergo's founder, Karl Norwood.
Rossi's company
I'm a newcomer but my two cents is that it's fine as is and serves an
entirely different purpose than a forum. Its form is suitable for its
purpose.
Mary Yugo wrote:
No, the data shown by McKubre is not hearsay or secondhand. It is
from Ampenergo.
And I say again: Ampenergo is Rossi's N. American distributor and has
done and showed nothing
As I noted, they were not the distributors when these tests were done.
They have done
OK, I ante'd up, so the rest of you out there need to help support this
forum...
RE: On the topic that Horace brings up re: moving all non-technical postings
to the other vortex list...
I couldn't agree more... I've posted several times in the past month or two
to get voluntary action to limit
The mailing list format is fine. I'm completely opposed to web-based
forums for discussing
sensitive topics.
With an e-mail based discussion list, each participant keeps a copy of
the discussions.
A web-based forum can be taken down very easily.
Web-based forums are subject to hacking and
Regarding the matter of:
RE: On the topic that Horace brings up re: moving all
non-technical postings to the other vortex list...
I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately, vortex-b is
set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes. Long ago I stopped
subscribing to b
Also, mobile accessibility of web-based forums is poor. Like all
complex web applications, they won't work uniformly well accross
different browsers, esp. embedded ones.
And e-mail has mechanisms for authentication. You can sign your
messages with your private key using GPG, the signature will
I suggest that a blog be created by whomever wants to, to discuss
things related to Rossi.
Personally, I like email format, and the fact vortex-l has over 15
years of archives. I prefer to post here.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, ecat builder wrote:
Vortex is a great list.. but I think
Mary Yugo wrote:
By the way, why don't you contact Jed personally about his experience
with Defkalion and trying to arrange a visit with them.
There is nothing to be said about that. It was delayed and delayed, and
it appears to have petered out. Delays, confusion and cancellations are
not
Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
The Ni powder, most pure and finest grade, is handled in dry box under
inert atmosphere. It is mixed with 5 % by weight carbon powder,
subjected to 500 C and degassed with a vacuum pump to prepare the
surface and clean out any oxygen/oxides clinging to it. The
What the heck is stopping someone from taking private money and doing research
in their basement?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley and other professors can only
Can you describe the first test that is left out of the PDF file?
How many slides were you not allowed to post?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information
I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately,
vortex-b is set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes.
Long ago I stopped subscribing to b because what goes on there
disgusts me. Anybody can join b and not fear being removed
simply because there are no rules. It's turned
From Bek:
Your 'b' must be different from the one I subscribe to.
No, it's the same one.
I haven't seen a post there in months, aside from the
test I just did.
Yes, and why do you suppose that is so?
It's called the scorched earth syndrome. Things got so bad that
most, myself included,
Sure not take it to the bank replications but hey they saw
transmutations both up and down the atomic scale! You don't do that with
any chemistry that I know of.
This stuff is like the old days of Cat's Whisker Crystal radio sets.
Frustrating to find the right spot and the right pressure to
For what it's worth I prefer Vortex as it is and has been.
Ron
--On Monday, December 19, 2011 9:38 AM -0800 ecat builder
ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
Vortex is a great list.. but I think it has outgrown the email list format.
I propose moving the list to a modern web forum based product.
Horace it was known as the Fleischmann-Pons Effect for years. Check
Jed's archives.
AG
On 12/20/2011 12:14 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Horace I suggest that call should be made when we have nailed the
exact process that caused Effect A
I didn't invent the name. It was called the Fleischmann-Pons Effect
for years. Google it. All I'm suggesting is that we should honour the
effect they discovered with their names, even if we don't know how and
why it happens. No point in inventing a new name for an effect that
already has a
25 Hz to 100 MHz is a VERY wide range. Finding the right one would be
like looking for a needle in a hay stack. How bout a few clues as to the
actual frequency and the power level required? Most F Gens do not output
much power.
AG
On 12/20/2011 5:52 AM, David ledin wrote:
Phen formula from
It's called the scorched earth syndrome. Things got so bad that
most, myself included, simply subscribed out of b. I suspect
the trolls are still however. They are still subscribed to b,
abiding their time, waiting to pounce.
If everybody feels that way, 'b' will never be used. It could at
*- Regarding the Catalyst, Celani thinks that it must be a metal like
Platinum or Palladium.*
From this stantment, It can be clearly deduced that Celani does not trust
Rossi. Rossi has stated that there is no precious metal in his reactor that
is no Platinum or Palladium are used in the Rossi
Particularly the infamous Grok
persona.
He's there still. He calls it Vortex purgatory.
T
This is great stuff! Anyone interested in the history of technology should
look at Edison's notebooks, some now available on line:
http://edison.rutgers.edu/docsamp.htm
Here is a famous one kept by Charles Batchelor in 1879:
http://edison.rutgers.edu/NamesSearch/SingleDoc.php3?DocId=N052105
Celani knew enough to try to covertly obtain a radiation spectrum during
the test run where Rossi left 2 holes through the lead shielding. When
Rossi caught him, Celani said something like That is what Professors
do, like that excused his conduct. I suggest it is Rossi that does not
trust
Hey Aussie,
It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil.
A slow tuning of the dial may be all it takes to find a harmonic that works.
I take it you've tried the 81.9Mhz figure from Storms? Maybe ask how
he came up with that number?
I have some new copper pipe, a freq gen, and some new
From Bek:
It's called the scorched earth syndrome. Things got so
bad that most, myself included, simply subscribed out of
b. I suspect the trolls are still however. They are
still subscribed to b, abiding their time, waiting to
pounce.
If everybody feels that way, 'b' will never be used.
81.9 MHz is the NMR frequency for Deuterium. READ THIS:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf The RFG and wide
band RF amp model used are quoted.
AG
On 12/20/2011 7:41 AM, ecat builder wrote:
Hey Aussie,
It seems like Chan is doing all his heating by RF coil.
A slow
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Celani knew enough to try to covertly obtain a radiation spectrum during
the test run where Rossi left 2 holes through the lead shielding.
He told me he was sitting in the next room when the instruments registered
a burst. He did not know about
Thanks for the clarification. Appreciated. I expect to be seeing these
guys 1st Qtr 2012, so good to know more about what went on and who did what.
AG
On 12/20/2011 7:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Celani knew
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/top-italian-scientist-claims-to-have-achieved-nickel-hydrogen-cold-fusion
See Dave Nagel's Table 1, p. iv:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NagelDJproceeding.pdf
I will copy the table here from the Word file:
Table 1. Names given to the study of “cold fusion” since 1989
*Terminology*
*Comments*
Cold Fusion
Original and recognized name, but incomplete
Low Energy
Jed,
I like you because you are romantic.
I think a little too optimistic but I can see your heart is in the right
place.
I hope you are right.
Giovanni
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, you have
At 01:35 PM 12/19/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/top-italian-scientist-claims-to-have-achieved-nickel-hydrogen-cold-fusion
Hard to tell ... since that's an echo of an echo from a google
translation of Passerini's blog
On p1 of comments Passi said he would get
That's the first time I've seen a UniBO Feb 1 date (it was previously
weeks .. ) : I wonder if they have now set a deadline.
IIRC, U of Bologna/UniBo set the deadline. They will cancel the contract
if not activated by a certain time -- not sure if it was Feb 1 but sounds
right. I guess they
From New Energy Times:
___
New Energy Times asked Braga yesterday whether the university had set a
specific deadline for the first payment.
“The deadline for this is mid-January, and, as far as I know, an extension is
unlikely,” Braga wrote
___
Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary. But I was born and grown up
in Italy. I have met several Italian scientists.
In fact, I met in person, and I have been at his house another LENR
researcher of relatively old times: Renzo Boscoli (you can do a web search
for him if you don't
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess they don't want to be used indefinitely and for free as an excuse
for Rossi's failure to get proper testing.
I think it would be more accurate to call this Rossi's policy to avoid
proper testing. It is not a failure; it is deliberate. He has said
I doubt the deadline has much to do with being used and more to do with trying
to force action out of Rossi. The UniBO will suffer the loss of funding if
Rossi doesn't carry out the contract. Under maryyugo's view of the world it
will be because Rossi has nothing real to provide the UniBO to
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it would be more accurate to call this Rossi's policy to avoid
proper testing. It is not a failure; it is deliberate. He has said no
tests! for years. He means it. He never wanted them. He thinks tests are
Mary Yugo wrote:
He allowed a few mainly as a favor to his friends, especially Focardi.
What does he think his first client is going to do if not test?
I meant tests open to the public. I am sure it is obvious that is what I
mean, so you are being a pill again, making a useless remark
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.
Sorry, not Italian.
He claims to have been a victim of the corrupted Italian system and I was
open to accept that but then when you see how he followed the
I have a radioactivity counter going for a piece of Cs 137.
You find it's log here
http://a.djk.se/counts.txt
First column is the sequence number.
Second column is the timestamp in seconds since 1970 with microsecond
precision. I am trying to keep it at 2 seconds. When the ntp correction is
done
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I meant tests open to the public. I am sure it is obvious that is what I
mean, so you are being a pill again, making a useless remark just to be
disagreeable. Knock it off.
This time you're the one being a pill.
I don't think this debate needs to take place on the Vortex. It is maryyugo's
litany. Why no independent tests? Well maybe Rossi doesn't want them, at
least the kind that satisfy Maryyugo. It might be because he has nothing or
maybe because he is no fool.
You see if it were me I would not
Mary Yugo wrote:
There would be nothing whatever to stop anyone getting the device from
testing it once they own it and from publishing the test results.
Yes. We know that. On many occasions Rossi has invited people to buy a
system in order to test it. That is what he told the people at MIT,
I've been watching this soap opera for months now and wonder greatly how
persons of such education are blind to the pathological nature of this Rossi
discussion.
This endless debate isn't about honest concern for science or anything else.
This is pure OCD and having been afflicted with that
This from PhysOrg.com.
In short, we discovered we can grow normal and tumor cells from the same
patient forever, and nobody has been able to do that, he says. Normal cell
cultures for most organ systems can't be established in the lab, so it
wasn't possible previously to compare normal and
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Christ man high school students replicated PF with both excess heat and
transmutations, in a MIT lab and in front of over 100 ICCF 10 attendees?
And what did those 100 people see? A power supply pumping 3 A into
Randy Wuller wrote:
You see if it were me I would not want tests particularly ones that
satisfied the skeptics who are helping keep a lid on this. If LENR
tests were ever performed to satisfy the skeptics and entice coverage
by the media, well watch out. In other words if the world thought
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Did the DOE visit the students results? I suggest not. Did they sit in
front of a SEM and see the transmutated products? I suggest they did not
and never left their office.
I suggest you didn't either.
Sorry
You skipped over the bit about the up and down transmutations they found
on the cathodes. As for the temperature, you need to read the reports
and see the photographs. It is not what you said.
On 12/20/2011 10:15 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Gene went from a top academic career to working in a
warehouse at night to feed his family.
He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career,
no.
In
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind.
What a coincidence. Your posts all go to a special file too: my
must-reply-to file. In a way, it's a kill file, too. Unfortunately, I can't
always keep up with your
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
He is
trying to keep a lid on things. Especially because he has no patent.
At €2,000,000 per MW with 13 MW on order, he has a guaranteed income
of €26M. At some point, he might be satisfied that he has enough
money in
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
No biggy.
No biggy compared to waiting 22 years to date.
T
Joshua wrote:
. And a top academic career would be a chair at a university or director of
a research institute.
Well, Josh, by your own definition, Dr. Robert Duncan, Vice Chancellor of
Research at Univ of Missouri, would then most definitely qualify as top
academic career, and he was
Yugo... must be serbian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Koral! (or
croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)
Just kidding. :-)
No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be
a lot of evidences pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.
2011/12/19 Mary Yugo
Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up . I
got interested in Phen as well
Phen talks about The chamber is pressurized
with hydrogen to 2000 psi and heated to 200 C
I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the rest
is coming .
It comes out of a nearly full tank at more than that.
-Original Message-
From: Peter Brosnan [mailto:ddc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com
Hi Guys , Pete from Australia here , I
I am surely not making any friends at Defkalion.
This is a surrealistic conversation.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4879#p4879
JedRothwell wrote:
What is disturbing about Defkalion is their dispute with Stremmenos. To
have member of the Board of Directors accusing you of
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