Re: [WAMUG] New computer security

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   So. driver error.
   When you go into Recovery mode there is not an additional option after
   Disk Utility. However, f you go to the top Menu there is a Utilities
   option...stuck right at the top. That's where you find the Security
   Start Utility.
   How I didn't see it the first five times I don't know.
   Sorry...feel very silly!
   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781
   South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
   Mobile: 0414268043
   Email: [1]arkaysp...@gmail.com

   On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 10:52, Rosemary Spark <[2]arkaysp...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Hi all,
   I have a new computer Macbook Air 2022, Ventura 13. One of my
   programmes (Western Digital) interfaces so I can back up my mac.
   When I set up my new computer first I had to download Rosetta to run it
   at all.
   Then to sign in to the web app, it demanded I change extensions. It
   used to be you could change this in Security settings.
   Now evidently you have to boot into Recovery and edit the Security
   Start Utility explained here
   [3]https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198 ...
   But this Utility DOES NOT EXIST.
   The instructions say
1. When you see the macOS utilities window, choose Utilities > Startup
   Security Utility from the menu bar.

   The only Utility is Disc Utility...that's it!
   Can anyone offer a solution?
   Cheers
   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781
   South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
   Mobile: 0414268043
   Email: [4]arkaysp...@gmail.com

References

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   2. mailto:arkaysp...@gmail.com
   3. https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198
   4. mailto:arkaysp...@gmail.com
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Re: [WAMUG] New computer security

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Yes, Peter. It's in addition to the Time Machine...I don't rely on one
   method..too dodgy.
   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781
   South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
   Mobile: 0414268043
   Email: [1]arkaysp...@gmail.com

   On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 11:01, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
   <[2]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:

Hi Rosemary, sorry I don't have any advice on this problem but I
 am
curious as to why you're not using Time Machine or is the WD back
additional to it? My dear Dad used to have a TM backup as well as
 TWO
additional CCC backups running on alternate days!
I hope you get it sorted, always these problems arise only after
 you've
made the change to a new machine or an OSX update.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
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From:
"WAMUG" <[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
To:
  "WAMUG" <[4]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
Cc:
  "Rosemary Spark" <[5]arkaysp...@gmail.com>
Sent:
  Fri, 27 Jan 2023 10:52:40 +0800
    Subject:
  [WAMUG] New computer security
  Hi all,
  I have a new computer Macbook Air 2022, Ventura 13. One of my
  programmes
  (Western Digital) interfaces so I can back up my mac.
  When I set up my new computer first I had to download Rosetta
 to run
  it at
  all.
  Then to sign in to the web app, it demanded I change
 extensions. It
  used to
  be you could change this in Security settings.
  Now evidently you have to boot into Recovery and edit the
 Security
  Start
  Utility explained here
 [6]https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198 ...
  But this Utility DOES NOT EXIST.
  The instructions say
  1. When you see the macOS utilities window, choose Utilities >
  Startup
  Security Utility from the menu bar.
  The only Utility is Disc Utility...that's it!
  Can anyone offer a solution?
  Cheers
  Rosemary Spark
  PO Box 781
  South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
  Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
  Mobile: 0414268043
  Email: [7]arkaysp...@gmail.com
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   4. mailto:wa...@lists.wamug.org.au
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Re: [WAMUG] New computer security

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Rosemary, sorry I don't have any advice on this problem but I am
   curious as to why you're not using Time Machine or is the WD back
   additional to it? My dear Dad used to have a TM backup as well as TWO
   additional CCC backups running on alternate days!

   I hope you get it sorted, always these problems arise only after you've
   made the change to a new machine or an OSX update.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

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   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Rosemary Spark" 

   Sent:

 Fri, 27 Jan 2023 10:52:40 +0800

   Subject:

 [WAMUG] New computer security
 Hi all,
 I have a new computer Macbook Air 2022, Ventura 13. One of my
 programmes
 (Western Digital) interfaces so I can back up my mac.
 When I set up my new computer first I had to download Rosetta to run
 it at
 all.
 Then to sign in to the web app, it demanded I change extensions. It
 used to
     be you could change this in Security settings.
 Now evidently you have to boot into Recovery and edit the Security
 Start
 Utility explained here https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198 ...
 But this Utility DOES NOT EXIST.
 The instructions say
 1. When you see the macOS utilities window, choose Utilities >
 Startup
 Security Utility from the menu bar.
 The only Utility is Disc Utility...that's it!
 Can anyone offer a solution?
 Cheers
 Rosemary Spark
 PO Box 781
 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
 Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
 Mobile: 0414268043
 Email: arkaysp...@gmail.com
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[WAMUG] New computer security

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Hi all,
   I have a new computer Macbook Air 2022, Ventura 13. One of my
   programmes (Western Digital) interfaces so I can back up my mac.
   When I set up my new computer first I had to download Rosetta to run it
   at all.
   Then to sign in to the web app, it demanded I change extensions. It
   used to be you could change this in Security settings.
   Now evidently you have to boot into Recovery and edit the Security
   Start Utility explained here
   [1]https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198 ...
   But this Utility DOES NOT EXIST.
   The instructions say
1. When you see the macOS utilities window, choose Utilities > Startup
   Security Utility from the menu bar.

   The only Utility is Disc Utility...that's it!
   Can anyone offer a solution?
   Cheers
   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781
   South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
   Mobile: 0414268043
   Email: [2]arkaysp...@gmail.com

References

   1. https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208198
   2. mailto:arkaysp...@gmail.com
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Re: Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Peter Crisp]

Hi folks, I have resolved the issue with my connection to my home WiFi network. 
The solution laid in the Family Zone box which (was) sitting between my NBN 
modem and my Time Capsule as a traffic filter. It has provided a good service 
but something shifted a couple of weeks ago - I don’t know what it was but all 
of a sudden I was having all sorts of issues connecting to it, yesterday my Mac 
book would not connect to it at all (I was having to use my NBN Modem WiFi 
network for internet access). I could see the TC WiFi network but errors each 
time I tried. Others in the house were not having this problem. My iPhone also 
same thing - could see it but not connect. I think a silently deployed firmware 
update from FZ may have resulted in this shift. Anyway, I decided to remove the 
FZ box as a way of eliminating its effects to tell me if that was the cause. I 
spent half an hour on the phone to FZ yesterday and didn’t get it solved there. 
Problem is now gone (box removed), Kid’s devices which have the device 
installed FZ app on are still in control (as it reaches to wherever the device 
is on the internet) so the FZ box at home doesn’t provide any greater control 
(only fixed devices like Apple TV, Playstation are the added controls that I 
now don’t have). I am seeing Tx rates >300 mbps as well so lightning fast. 

I’m happy with this outcome.

Pete.

> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:38 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> My computers, iPad & iPhone all connect to my WiFi Snowblow 5GHz Network
> No devices are using the 2.4GHz Network 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:20 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni. So I conclude the problem is something my side and 
>> not a broader issue. I have a 5GHz network only selected - I was unaware 
>> that the TC could issue both frequency networks concurrently. Will look into 
>> how I can do that.
>> 
>> Well done the Pies too! I hope for your sake they can progress further. 
>> Their form last night was good, but Port (and Brisbane) were very strong 
>> looking in their final.
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:08 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> My NBN WiFi Network settings in Airport Utility are:
>>> Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
>>> 5GHz channel 149
>>> 2.4GHz channel 11
>>> 
>>> 5GHz Name: Snowblow3 5GHz 
>>> 
>>> I have no trouble connecting via Wi-Fi from computers or iOS devices with 
>>> these settings.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 10:24 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI folks, a bump to see if anyone else can shed any light on this one. 
>>>> I’ve done some further reading on this and the Enterprise setting may be 
>>>> better from the reading I’ve done. The reading on the Apple discussion 
>>>> forum indicates that Apple hasn’t deployed WPA3 firmware updates for TC’s 
>>>> yet and not even sure if they will. I am up to date with the latest 
>>>> firmware available for my 3rd Gen TC. 
>>>> 
>>>> I am puzzled that I am seemingly the only one in this community with this 
>>>> issue as I read all threads coming in and no one else has indicated an 
>>>> issue. This makes me think the issue is unique to me and my network config 
>>>> is something to be tweaked a bit (Radio button and other settings perhaps).
>>>> 
>>>> What I did note is the WPA3 security recommendation arises due to iOS13 
>>>> and this issue in my house arose (for all of us in the house) the very day 
>>>> (and I can’t help thinking connected) to the fact I was given an iPhone 8 
>>>> from my niece and I restored my backup from my iPhone iPhone 6 (iOS 
>>>> 12.x.x) and in so doing I moved into iOS 13.x.x  where this WPA3 WiFi 
>>>> security recommendation arose. But my sons both have iPhone 11’s (how does 
>>>> that work!!)already on iOS 13.x.x and now iOS 14.x.x.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Oct 2020, at 2:59 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
>>>>> Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the 
>>>>> wall cavity, down the house then ba

Re: Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,
My computers, iPad & iPhone all connect to my WiFi Snowblow 5GHz Network
No devices are using the 2.4GHz Network 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:20 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. So I conclude the problem is something my side and 
> not a broader issue. I have a 5GHz network only selected - I was unaware that 
> the TC could issue both frequency networks concurrently. Will look into how I 
> can do that.
> 
> Well done the Pies too! I hope for your sake they can progress further. Their 
> form last night was good, but Port (and Brisbane) were very strong looking in 
> their final.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:08 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> My NBN WiFi Network settings in Airport Utility are:
>> Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
>> 5GHz channel 149
>> 2.4GHz channel 11
>> 
>> 5GHz Name: Snowblow3 5GHz 
>> 
>> I have no trouble connecting via Wi-Fi from computers or iOS devices with 
>> these settings.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 10:24 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI folks, a bump to see if anyone else can shed any light on this one. 
>>> I’ve done some further reading on this and the Enterprise setting may be 
>>> better from the reading I’ve done. The reading on the Apple discussion 
>>> forum indicates that Apple hasn’t deployed WPA3 firmware updates for TC’s 
>>> yet and not even sure if they will. I am up to date with the latest 
>>> firmware available for my 3rd Gen TC. 
>>> 
>>> I am puzzled that I am seemingly the only one in this community with this 
>>> issue as I read all threads coming in and no one else has indicated an 
>>> issue. This makes me think the issue is unique to me and my network config 
>>> is something to be tweaked a bit (Radio button and other settings perhaps).
>>> 
>>> What I did note is the WPA3 security recommendation arises due to iOS13 and 
>>> this issue in my house arose (for all of us in the house) the very day (and 
>>> I can’t help thinking connected) to the fact I was given an iPhone 8 from 
>>> my niece and I restored my backup from my iPhone iPhone 6 (iOS 12.x.x) and 
>>> in so doing I moved into iOS 13.x.x  where this WPA3 WiFi security 
>>> recommendation arose. But my sons both have iPhone 11’s (how does that 
>>> work!!)already on iOS 13.x.x and now iOS 14.x.x.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Oct 2020, at 2:59 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
>>>> Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the 
>>>> wall cavity, down the house then back down cavity in his room). Just 
>>>> recently I have been having issues with some devices in the house 
>>>> connecting to the WiFI network from the TC. This morning I tried on my 
>>>> iPhone 8 again and whilst it connected a small message underneath said 
>>>> “Weak security - WPA/WPA2 (TKIP) is not considered secure. If this is your 
>>>> WiFI network, configure the router to use WPA2 (AES) or WPA3 security 
>>>> type”. 
>>>> 
>>>> I checked in Airport Utility and I only have WPA2 (Personal or Enterprise, 
>>>> I’m set on Personal) as an available security setting - not sure what the 
>>>> (AES) bit means but do not have WPA3 either - so I can’t actually make a 
>>>> change to this setting. As a result of this I have set up the WiFi network 
>>>> for the NBN Modem for an alternate WiFi network in the house for when 
>>>> difficulties arise. No problems with that one. The problem seems to be 
>>>> with iOS devices not OSX devices - so the TM backups are ok as they need 
>>>> to be connected to the TC and not the NBN Modem. 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone else have these issues and any tips on what I can do to resolve 
>>>> this one?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Pete.
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Re: Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

My NBN WiFi Network settings in Airport Utility are:
Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
5GHz channel 149
2.4GHz channel 11

5GHz Name: Snowblow3 5GHz 

I have no trouble connecting via Wi-Fi from computers or iOS devices with these 
settings.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 4 Oct 2020, at 10:24 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> HI folks, a bump to see if anyone else can shed any light on this one. I’ve 
> done some further reading on this and the Enterprise setting may be better 
> from the reading I’ve done. The reading on the Apple discussion forum 
> indicates that Apple hasn’t deployed WPA3 firmware updates for TC’s yet and 
> not even sure if they will. I am up to date with the latest firmware 
> available for my 3rd Gen TC. 
> 
> I am puzzled that I am seemingly the only one in this community with this 
> issue as I read all threads coming in and no one else has indicated an issue. 
> This makes me think the issue is unique to me and my network config is 
> something to be tweaked a bit (Radio button and other settings perhaps).
> 
> What I did note is the WPA3 security recommendation arises due to iOS13 and 
> this issue in my house arose (for all of us in the house) the very day (and I 
> can’t help thinking connected) to the fact I was given an iPhone 8 from my 
> niece and I restored my backup from my iPhone iPhone 6 (iOS 12.x.x) and in so 
> doing I moved into iOS 13.x.x  where this WPA3 WiFi security recommendation 
> arose. But my sons both have iPhone 11’s (how does that work!!)already on iOS 
> 13.x.x and now iOS 14.x.x.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2020, at 2:59 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
>> Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the wall 
>> cavity, down the house then back down cavity in his room). Just recently I 
>> have been having issues with some devices in the house connecting to the 
>> WiFI network from the TC. This morning I tried on my iPhone 8 again and 
>> whilst it connected a small message underneath said “Weak security - 
>> WPA/WPA2 (TKIP) is not considered secure. If this is your WiFI network, 
>> configure the router to use WPA2 (AES) or WPA3 security type”. 
>> 
>> I checked in Airport Utility and I only have WPA2 (Personal or Enterprise, 
>> I’m set on Personal) as an available security setting - not sure what the 
>> (AES) bit means but do not have WPA3 either - so I can’t actually make a 
>> change to this setting. As a result of this I have set up the WiFi network 
>> for the NBN Modem for an alternate WiFi network in the house for when 
>> difficulties arise. No problems with that one. The problem seems to be with 
>> iOS devices not OSX devices - so the TM backups are ok as they need to be 
>> connected to the TC and not the NBN Modem. 
>> 
>> Anyone else have these issues and any tips on what I can do to resolve this 
>> one?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
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Re: Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Ronni. So I conclude the problem is something my side and not a 
broader issue. I have a 5GHz network only selected - I was unaware that the TC 
could issue both frequency networks concurrently. Will look into how I can do 
that.

Well done the Pies too! I hope for your sake they can progress further. Their 
form last night was good, but Port (and Brisbane) were very strong looking in 
their final.

Kind Regards

Pete

> On 4 Oct 2020, at 11:08 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> My NBN WiFi Network settings in Airport Utility are:
> Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
> 5GHz channel 149
> 2.4GHz channel 11
> 
> 5GHz Name: Snowblow3 5GHz 
> 
> I have no trouble connecting via Wi-Fi from computers or iOS devices with 
> these settings.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2020, at 10:24 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> HI folks, a bump to see if anyone else can shed any light on this one. I’ve 
>> done some further reading on this and the Enterprise setting may be better 
>> from the reading I’ve done. The reading on the Apple discussion forum 
>> indicates that Apple hasn’t deployed WPA3 firmware updates for TC’s yet and 
>> not even sure if they will. I am up to date with the latest firmware 
>> available for my 3rd Gen TC. 
>> 
>> I am puzzled that I am seemingly the only one in this community with this 
>> issue as I read all threads coming in and no one else has indicated an 
>> issue. This makes me think the issue is unique to me and my network config 
>> is something to be tweaked a bit (Radio button and other settings perhaps).
>> 
>> What I did note is the WPA3 security recommendation arises due to iOS13 and 
>> this issue in my house arose (for all of us in the house) the very day (and 
>> I can’t help thinking connected) to the fact I was given an iPhone 8 from my 
>> niece and I restored my backup from my iPhone iPhone 6 (iOS 12.x.x) and in 
>> so doing I moved into iOS 13.x.x  where this WPA3 WiFi security 
>> recommendation arose. But my sons both have iPhone 11’s (how does that 
>> work!!)already on iOS 13.x.x and now iOS 14.x.x.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2020, at 2:59 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
>>> Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the 
>>> wall cavity, down the house then back down cavity in his room). Just 
>>> recently I have been having issues with some devices in the house 
>>> connecting to the WiFI network from the TC. This morning I tried on my 
>>> iPhone 8 again and whilst it connected a small message underneath said 
>>> “Weak security - WPA/WPA2 (TKIP) is not considered secure. If this is your 
>>> WiFI network, configure the router to use WPA2 (AES) or WPA3 security 
>>> type”. 
>>> 
>>> I checked in Airport Utility and I only have WPA2 (Personal or Enterprise, 
>>> I’m set on Personal) as an available security setting - not sure what the 
>>> (AES) bit means but do not have WPA3 either - so I can’t actually make a 
>>> change to this setting. As a result of this I have set up the WiFi network 
>>> for the NBN Modem for an alternate WiFi network in the house for when 
>>> difficulties arise. No problems with that one. The problem seems to be with 
>>> iOS devices not OSX devices - so the TM backups are ok as they need to be 
>>> connected to the TC and not the NBN Modem. 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have these issues and any tips on what I can do to resolve this 
>>> one?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete.
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Re: Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Peter Crisp]

HI folks, a bump to see if anyone else can shed any light on this one. I’ve 
done some further reading on this and the Enterprise setting may be better from 
the reading I’ve done. The reading on the Apple discussion forum indicates that 
Apple hasn’t deployed WPA3 firmware updates for TC’s yet and not even sure if 
they will. I am up to date with the latest firmware available for my 3rd Gen 
TC. 

I am puzzled that I am seemingly the only one in this community with this issue 
as I read all threads coming in and no one else has indicated an issue. This 
makes me think the issue is unique to me and my network config is something to 
be tweaked a bit (Radio button and other settings perhaps).

What I did note is the WPA3 security recommendation arises due to iOS13 and 
this issue in my house arose (for all of us in the house) the very day (and I 
can’t help thinking connected) to the fact I was given an iPhone 8 from my 
niece and I restored my backup from my iPhone iPhone 6 (iOS 12.x.x) and in so 
doing I moved into iOS 13.x.x  where this WPA3 WiFi security recommendation 
arose. But my sons both have iPhone 11’s (how does that work!!)already on iOS 
13.x.x and now iOS 14.x.x.

Regards


Pete

> On 3 Oct 2020, at 2:59 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
> Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the wall 
> cavity, down the house then back down cavity in his room). Just recently I 
> have been having issues with some devices in the house connecting to the WiFI 
> network from the TC. This morning I tried on my iPhone 8 again and whilst it 
> connected a small message underneath said “Weak security - WPA/WPA2 (TKIP) is 
> not considered secure. If this is your WiFI network, configure the router to 
> use WPA2 (AES) or WPA3 security type”. 
> 
> I checked in Airport Utility and I only have WPA2 (Personal or Enterprise, 
> I’m set on Personal) as an available security setting - not sure what the 
> (AES) bit means but do not have WPA3 either - so I can’t actually make a 
> change to this setting. As a result of this I have set up the WiFi network 
> for the NBN Modem for an alternate WiFi network in the house for when 
> difficulties arise. No problems with that one. The problem seems to be with 
> iOS devices not OSX devices - so the TM backups are ok as they need to be 
> connected to the TC and not the NBN Modem. 
> 
> Anyone else have these issues and any tips on what I can do to resolve this 
> one?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
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Time Capsule WiFi security setting

[Peter Crisp]

I have a Time Capsule in my house and a 25m ethernet cable to an Airport 
Express down in my sons room configured as an extender (Ethernet up the wall 
cavity, down the house then back down cavity in his room). Just recently I have 
been having issues with some devices in the house connecting to the WiFI 
network from the TC. This morning I tried on my iPhone 8 again and whilst it 
connected a small message underneath said “Weak security - WPA/WPA2 (TKIP) is 
not considered secure. If this is your WiFI network, configure the router to 
use WPA2 (AES) or WPA3 security type”. 

I checked in Airport Utility and I only have WPA2 (Personal or Enterprise, I’m 
set on Personal) as an available security setting - not sure what the (AES) bit 
means but do not have WPA3 either - so I can’t actually make a change to this 
setting. As a result of this I have set up the WiFi network for the NBN Modem 
for an alternate WiFi network in the house for when difficulties arise. No 
problems with that one. The problem seems to be with iOS devices not OSX 
devices - so the TM backups are ok as they need to be connected to the TC and 
not the NBN Modem. 

Anyone else have these issues and any tips on what I can do to resolve this one?

Regards

Pete.
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Re: Security.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Thanks Steve.

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jan 2020, at 12:21, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony.
> I am not sure what you would like an alternative to ?
> 
> But MalwareBytes is very popular.
> 
> However I prefer to pay for Avast Pro as it seems to have done a better job 
> than anything I have used.
> You can buy a 1 Mac version or for a few dollars more a 3 Mac version.
> I use the 3 Mac for myself my wife and our daughter.
> 
> It was also voted Best Mac Protection in 2018.
> 
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2020, at 10:33 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning to the Group and a Happy 2020 to you all
>> 
>> As advised I removed Malware from my Computer, are there any of the group 
>> that would recommend a trusted alternative??
>> 
>> I am also now using DuckDuck Go.
>> 
>> Thanks All
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
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Re: Security.

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Tony.
I am not sure what you would like an alternative to ?

But MalwareBytes is very popular.

However I prefer to pay for Avast Pro as it seems to have done a better job 
than anything I have used.
You can buy a 1 Mac version or for a few dollars more a 3 Mac version.
I use the 3 Mac for myself my wife and our daughter.

It was also voted Best Mac Protection in 2018.


> On 6 Jan 2020, at 10:33 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
> wrote:
> 
> Good Morning to the Group and a Happy 2020 to you all
> 
> As advised I removed Malware from my Computer, are there any of the group 
> that would recommend a trusted alternative??
> 
> I am also now using DuckDuck Go.
> 
> Thanks All
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
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Re: Security.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Good Morning to the Group and a Happy 2020 to you all

As advised I removed Malware from my Computer, are there any of the group that 
would recommend a trusted alternative??

I am also now using DuckDuck Go.

Thanks All

Kind Regards

Tony

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High Sierra - Safari and Security Update Problems

[Alan Smith]

Failed to update Safari 12.0.1 plus Security Update 2018-002 to an SSD 2014 Mac 
mini with High Sierra 10.13.6.   Got message "The macos Installation couldn't 
be completed” with the system installer crash log file.   Mac booted OK from a 
SuperDuper backup.

Apple discussion claims that Apple pulled the update yesterday(?).

Any member experiences on this update?  Can anyone confirm the status of the 
App Store software update?

On 1 Nov I updated a late 2012 iMac (Safari plus Security).  It downloaded a 
big file then seemed to go into Recovery and reinstall the os.  A bit of a 
worry but an hour later it seemed to be OK.

On 2 Nov I updated a late 2009 iMac (Safari  only, Security Update not 
offered).  No problem, all done in a few minutes.

Now to look at the Mac mini to see what I can do.

Cheers
Alan








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Re: Security Update 2018-001

[Michael Hawkins]

Dear Ronni,

Thank you for your reply. I do not remember deleting the folder I had which was 
called “Desktop Folders”, but all sorts of wierd and troubling things happened 
when I first tried to installl the security update and tried to update the 
operating system as well, a few weeks ago. Suffice to say I had to wipe the 
hard drive clean and start from scratch a couple of times. Fortunately I had 
made a backup. That debacle was followed shortly after by the update which, as 
I recall it, reorganized the file structure. I had a few days trying to cope 
with what I started calling the black screen of death which emerged about 80% 
of the way through the process of restarting. I worked through the alternatives 
such as safe boot, but ended up having to do a SMC reset.

I’ve been away a for a couple of weeks. Now that I’m home I’ll pluck up the 
courage to instal the Security update for the 4th time.

Cheers,

Michael.

> On 21 May 2018, at 5:02 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> I am still having trouble not receiving WAMUG mailing list messages, so I’ve 
> copied & pasted your message below, so I can answer.
> 
> Have you moved the original ‘Desktop Folders’ that you created? 
> Have you deleted the original ‘Desktop Folders’?
> 
> The Dock just holds aliases to real files, folders, and applications. There 
> is nothing real in the Dock, it just acts like it is. 
> All of the items in the Dock point back to some real item in the file system. 
> They are just shortcuts to the originals. 
> When you open a folder from the Dock, it opens the original folder.
> 
> Add an item to the Dock: Drag it to the Dock.
> You Place apps to the left of the separator line, and files and folders to 
> the right of the separator line.
> 
> Re: The Security Update 2018-001, I experienced it staying in Updates 
> available until I clicked on it and installed again, as there was another 
> version of that same file released a few days later. I suggest you click on 
> it and install again.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.4
> 
> Michael Hawkins 
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=wamug@wamug.org.au=from:%22Michael+Hawkins%22>
>  Sun, 20 May 2018 21:56:32 -0700 
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=wamug@wamug.org.au=date:20180520>
> Security update 2018-001 was installed on my MacBook Pro on the 3rd May. The 
> computer has been turned off and started a number of times since then, but 
> despite that I keep receiving a mesage that updates are available. Each 
> supposed update is identified as being Security update 2018-001.
> One thing I noticed after the update was finally installed was that the icon 
> in 
> the Dock for Desktop Folders ahs ben replaced by a large ? symbol (as in 
> question mark symbol). When the cursor is hovered over the ? symbole, the 
> label 
> “Desktop Folders” appears. No folders appear though, when I click on the ? 
> symbol.
> 
> Other than that, I have not had any trouble using the computer, but I wonder 
> why the message that an update is available keeps getting sent.
> 
> High Sierra version 10.13.4
> MacBook Pro (17 inch late 2011, solid state hard drive)
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Michael Hawkins
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Re: Security Update 2018-001

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Michael,

I am still having trouble not receiving WAMUG mailing list messages, so I’ve 
copied & pasted your message below, so I can answer.

Have you moved the original ‘Desktop Folders’ that you created? 
Have you deleted the original ‘Desktop Folders’?

The Dock just holds aliases to real files, folders, and applications. There is 
nothing real in the Dock, it just acts like it is. 
All of the items in the Dock point back to some real item in the file system. 
They are just shortcuts to the originals. 
When you open a folder from the Dock, it opens the original folder.

Add an item to the Dock: Drag it to the Dock.
You Place apps to the left of the separator line, and files and folders to the 
right of the separator line.

Re: The Security Update 2018-001, I experienced it staying in Updates available 
until I clicked on it and installed again, as there was another version of that 
same file released a few days later. I suggest you click on it and install 
again.


Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.4

Michael Hawkins 
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<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=wamug@wamug.org.au=date:20180520>
Security update 2018-001 was installed on my MacBook Pro on the 3rd May. The 
computer has been turned off and started a number of times since then, but 
despite that I keep receiving a mesage that updates are available. Each 
supposed update is identified as being Security update 2018-001.
One thing I noticed after the update was finally installed was that the icon in 
the Dock for Desktop Folders ahs ben replaced by a large ? symbol (as in 
question mark symbol). When the cursor is hovered over the ? symbole, the label 
“Desktop Folders” appears. No folders appear though, when I click on the ? 
symbol.

Other than that, I have not had any trouble using the computer, but I wonder 
why the message that an update is available keeps getting sent.

High Sierra version 10.13.4
MacBook Pro (17 inch late 2011, solid state hard drive)

Thank you

Michael Hawkins
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Security Update 2018-001

[Michael Hawkins]

Security update 2018-001 was installed on my MacBook Pro on the 3rd May. The 
computer has been turned off and started a number of times since then, but 
despite that I keep receiving a mesage that updates are available. Each 
supposed update is identified as being Security update 2018-001.

One thing I noticed after the update was finally installed was that the icon in 
the Dock for Desktop Folders ahs ben replaced by a large ? symbol (as in 
question mark symbol). When the cursor is hovered over the ? symbole, the label 
“Desktop Folders” appears. No folders appear though, when I click on the ? 
symbol.

Other than that, I have not had any trouble using the computer, but I wonder 
why the message that an update is available keeps getting sent.

High Sierra version 10.13.4
MacBook Pro (17 inch late 2011, solid state hard drive)

Thank you

Michael Hawkins
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WPA3 Promises Better Wi-Fi Security with Less Effort

[Ronda Brown]

WPA3 Promises Better Wi-Fi Security with Less Effort

The Wi-Fi Alliance, which certifies Wi-Fi products, has announced WPA3, a major 
upgrade to Wi-Fi security that will appear in 2018 and take care of known flaws 
while simultaneously requiring less effort on your part. Among other things, it 
will eliminate the nasty KRACK vulnerability and secure open Wi-Fi networks.

Cheers,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

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Re: Security

[Brian RISBEY]

You got it!
Being too subtle do you think?

Brian 


On 19 May 2017, at 16:43, Michael Hawkins  
wrote:

Brian,
I infer from the graphics that you feel you are swimming against the tide?
Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 May 2017, at 3:52 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
> was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
> Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel 
>> Could not quite understand your message 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> (鴢(鴣!吂�(鴣秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
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>> ケ�(鴢(鴣%榿ビ�e虂剚脱吂憛蓯�5仚ケ敯佈竵褰詠汀秸睈仼胀衼墧亝壉攣鸭亼秸壉攣嵄瑏バ亝箰仴衼荪卑伣習父丵竵褰詠崊竵懠佈儕q丧潯衼嵄瘖t伭吷衼鸭伣習竵选攣亮饱崊靴礁�(鴣敼湼皝徒禃选ス渷饱瓟�!吂憠蓞瓟亼綍虂选攣蛥禂佈ˉ箿�虂ビ�e虂菇衼蜁衼鸭伣習赴亯招佸
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Re: Security

[Michael Hawkins]

Brian,
I infer from the graphics that you feel you are swimming against the tide?
Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 May 2017, at 3:52 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
> was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
> Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel 
>> Could not quite understand your message 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> (鴢(鴣!吂�(鴣秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
>> ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠
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Re: Security

[David Noel]

Just a thought, if you use more than one language, Command-blank will move
you down your language list, and it's easy to accidentally press
Command-blank.

(If you mouse to the language in your menu bar, just left of the date, it
will tick whatever the system thinks is your current input language.)

David


On 19 May 2017 at 21:14, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> Hi Brian
>
> Nope,….just English (Australia) and English (UK). Then all the other
> English after that. :)
> Same as I’ve always used to post on both computer and iPhone. :)
>
> Kind regards
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
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>
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> > On 19 May 2017, at 8:59 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you David and Ronni
> >
> > I had all the English languages in order with Australian at the top,
> Simplified Chinese was just after all the various English languages.
> >
> > A mystery...
> >
> > I wonder if Daniel has the same?
> >
> > Brian Risbey
> > OS10.3.2
> > 
> >
> >
> > On 19 May 2017, at 16:17, David Noel  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian
> >
> > The message was mostly in Simplified Chinese Mandarin characters, but
> there were many invalid characters, and the message was not in Mandarin.
> You are probably right that it was a wrong font setting. I received the
> message in English, it was as following:
> >
> > "Hi Bill
> >
> > Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for
> some software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
> > After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before
> you click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
> > eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking
> icon” on the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is
> there, you hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then
> get a pop up window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
> > It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose
> “open”. It should then open as normal.
> >
> > If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an
> icon of the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
> > Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then
> use the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.
> >
> > It should then open after that."
> >
> > Cheers, David Noel.
> >
> > PS. On a computer, Chinese characters use the equivalent of two English
> letters for one Chinese Character.
> >
> >
> > On 19 May 2017 at 15:52, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> > Hi Ronni
> > Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to
> if it was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6.
> >
> > Brian Risbey
> > OS10.3.2
> > 
> >
> >
> > On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon,
> choosing Open, and then confirming that you want to open it.
> > So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ronni
> >
> >> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Daniel
> >> Could not quite understand your message 
> >>
> >> Brian Risbey
> >> OS10.3.2
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> >>
> >> (鴢(鴣! 吂�(鴣 秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈
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Re: Security

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Daniel and Brian,

I’ve had a good look at Brian’s email message that showed as garbled foreign 
text & symbols.
I’m not sure if the problem is with Brian’s ISP (Bigpond) handling of the 
message sending, encoding, or virus scan?

I compared Daniel’s message All Headers to Brian’s reply All Headers:
Daniel’s message -View > All Headers - all appears as you would expect (normal)
Brian’s reply message -View > All Headers - is quite weird (not normal) 

I’ve shown below an extract from Brian’s message All Headers view:

Authentication-Results: pv33p00im-dmarcmilter009.me.com; dmarc=none 
header.from=bigpond.com
Authentication-Results: pv33p00im-spfmilter001.me.com; spf=none 
(pv33p00im-spfmilter001.me.com: wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au 
does not designate permitted sender hosts) 
smtp.mailfrom=wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au;
Authentication-Results: pv33p00im-dkimmilter005.me.com; dkim=none reason="no 
signature"; dkim-adsp=none
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail-director-02.webinabox.net.au
X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=8/83, refid=2.7.2:2017.5.19.44216:17:8.317, ip=, 
rules=__CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, CTE_BASE64, __HAS_FROM, 
__FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __MIME_VERSION, __DATE_TZ_HK, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, 
__BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, 
__MSGID_APPLEMAIL, __REFERENCES, __IN_REP_TO, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, 
__HAS_X_MAILER, MIME_LOWER_CASE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __HIGHBITS, 
__FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY_POUND, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY_DOLLAR, 
__SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __CHAR_CHINESE_UTF8, SUPERLONG_LINE, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, 
BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499, __MIME_TEXT_P1, 
__MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY, 
BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, LOCALE_CHINESE, IN_REP_TO, MSG_THREAD, 
LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, 
__MIME_TEXT_P, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS
Return-Path: 
List-Help: 
X-Spam-Flag: NO

I remembered Brian had this issue some time ago and I had responded, but can’t 
remember what the outcome was last time and unfortunately with my filing system 
I haven’t been able to locate the file. 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

> On 19 May 2017, at 9:14 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> Nope,….just English (Australia) and English (UK). Then all the other English 
> after that. :)
> Same as I’ve always used to post on both computer and iPhone. :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 8:59 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you David and Ronni
>> 
>> I had all the English languages in order with Australian at the top, 
>> Simplified Chinese was just after all the various English languages.
>> 
>> A mystery...
>> 
>> I wonder if Daniel has the same?
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 16:17, David Noel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> The message was mostly in Simplified Chinese Mandarin characters, but there 
>> were many invalid characters, and the message was not in Mandarin. You are 
>> probably right that it was a wrong font setting. I received the message in 
>> English, it was as following:
>> 
>> "Hi Bill
>> 
>> Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for some 
>> software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
>> After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before you 
>> click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
>> eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking icon” 
>> on the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is there, 
>> you hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then get a pop 
>> up window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
>> It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose 
>> “open”. It should then open as normal.
>> 
>> If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an icon 
>> of the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
>> Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then use 
>> the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.
>> 
>> It 

Re: Security

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Brian

Nope,….just English (Australia) and English (UK). Then all the other English 
after that. :)
Same as I’ve always used to post on both computer and iPhone. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
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> On 19 May 2017, at 8:59 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Thank you David and Ronni
> 
> I had all the English languages in order with Australian at the top, 
> Simplified Chinese was just after all the various English languages.
> 
> A mystery...
> 
> I wonder if Daniel has the same?
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 16:17, David Noel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> The message was mostly in Simplified Chinese Mandarin characters, but there 
> were many invalid characters, and the message was not in Mandarin. You are 
> probably right that it was a wrong font setting. I received the message in 
> English, it was as following:
> 
> "Hi Bill
> 
> Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for some 
> software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
> After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before you 
> click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
> eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking icon” on 
> the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is there, you 
> hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then get a pop up 
> window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
> It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose 
> “open”. It should then open as normal.
> 
> If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an icon 
> of the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
> Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then use 
> the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.
> 
> It should then open after that."
> 
> Cheers, David Noel.
> 
> PS. On a computer, Chinese characters use the equivalent of two English 
> letters for one Chinese Character.
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017 at 15:52, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
> was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
> Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel 
>> Could not quite understand your message 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> (鴢(鴣! 吂�(鴣 
>> 秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵
>>  亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵 嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝 吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠 
>> 祬嵼ラ吷懮涔嵔垂呍鴣萆窖旇(鴣!ケ�(鴢(鴣%榿ビ� e虂剚脱吂憛蓯� 5 
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Re: Security

[Brian RISBEY]

Thank you David and Ronni

I had all the English languages in order with Australian at the top, Simplified 
Chinese was just after all the various English languages.

A mystery...

I wonder if Daniel has the same?

Brian Risbey 
OS10.3.2



On 19 May 2017, at 16:17, David Noel  wrote:

Hi Brian

The message was mostly in Simplified Chinese Mandarin characters, but there 
were many invalid characters, and the message was not in Mandarin. You are 
probably right that it was a wrong font setting. I received the message in 
English, it was as following:

"Hi Bill

Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for some 
software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before you 
click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking icon” on 
the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is there, you 
hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then get a pop up 
window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose “open”. 
It should then open as normal.

If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an icon of 
the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then use 
the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.

It should then open after that."

Cheers, David Noel.

PS. On a computer, Chinese characters use the equivalent of two English letters 
for one Chinese Character.


> On 19 May 2017 at 15:52, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
> was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
> Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel 
>> Could not quite understand your message 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> (鴢(鴣! 吂�(鴣 
>> 秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵
>>  亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵 嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝 吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠 
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Re: Security

[David Noel]

Hi Brian

The message was mostly in Simplified Chinese Mandarin characters, but there
were many invalid characters, and the message was not in Mandarin. You are
probably right that it was a wrong font setting. I received the message in
English, it was as following:

"Hi Bill

Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for some
software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before
you click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking icon”
on the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is there,
you hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then get a pop
up window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose
“open”. It should then open as normal.

If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an icon
of the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then
use the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.

It should then open after that."

Cheers, David Noel.

PS. On a computer, Chinese characters use the equivalent of two English
letters for one Chinese Character.


On 19 May 2017 at 15:52, Brian RISBEY  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if
> it was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6.
>
> Brian Risbey
> OS10.3.2
> 
>
>
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its
> icon, choosing Open, and then confirming that you want to open it.
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, *you are simply protected
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.*
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel
> Could not quite understand your message 
>
> Brian Risbey
> OS10.3.2
> 
>
>
> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>
> (鴢(鴣! 吂�(鴣 秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈
> 伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵 亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Brian,

On your iPhone Settings> General >Language & Region - iPhone Language English 
and Region Australia?
Click on English, do you have all English listed at the top of the list? 
English (Australia) English (Canada) etc

Apps, websites, menus, and other items use the first language in the list that 
they support. 
You can drag the languages up or down the list to change the order. Tap Edit, 
then tap . 

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 19 May 2017, at 3:52 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
> was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown > 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
> Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
> So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
> against opening apps from unidentified developers.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel 
>> Could not quite understand your message 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
>> OS10.3.2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr > > wrote:
>> 
>> (鴢(鴣!吂�(鴣秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
>> ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠
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>> 

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[Brian RISBEY]

Hi Ronni
Daniel's text message was in an Asian language. I just was inquiring to if it 
was supposed to be or if I have a wrong font setting in my iPhone6. 

Brian Risbey 
OS10.3.2



On 19 May 2017, at 13:47, Ronni Brown  wrote:

Hi Brian,

You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
against opening apps from unidentified developers.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel 
> Could not quite understand your message 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> (鴢(鴣!吂�(鴣秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
> ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Brian,

You can still open any app by right-click (Control-Click) its icon, choosing 
Open, and then confirming that you want to open it. 
So you are not prevented from opening any apps, you are simply protected 
against opening apps from unidentified developers.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 19 May 2017, at 12:48 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel 
> Could not quite understand your message 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
> OS10.3.2
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> (鴢(鴣!吂�(鴣秸壉攣嵄瑏搅暩佈仚ケ攣选暩亜佂祬卑佂嵣晻竵吜習吷虂吂悂呁佈紒ス脱叡皝选呇虂荨暩佈伭山壉暣佂褏裳虂萁笣衼澕伭呁衼蜁嵳丧唁伭山褧嵮ソ竵祬鍓攣$佂〗毡悂櫏箰亝竵亮睌亯胀ス曂虂吂悂羺鋪鸭仭呝攣バ仴雇褏北晲�(鴣I暆吷懱�
> ケ�(鴢(鴣=竵嗓皝5呬�匿皜壤能亝衻娜枥纴A4皝吂皝-暽葊褫叺諠
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[Brian RISBEY]

Hi Daniel 
Could not quite understand your message 

Brian Risbey 
OS10.3.2



On 19 May 2017, at 12:11, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

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[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Bill

Just in with client, which is why quick replies (as just wanting for some 
software to install and quickly checking email between installs).
After you double click the DMG and then it opens a Finder window. Before you 
click anything else, that is where you need to hold down the Option key.
eg. You double click the DMG file. It opens to a “white disk looking icon” on 
the desktop. Then before you click whatever icon or installer is there, you 
hold down the Control key before you click on it. You’ll then get a pop up 
window that you choose “Open” from. the list.
It will ask if you want to approve the Application, and you then choose “open”. 
It should then open as normal.

If you want to keep it all the time, and it’s not an installer, but an icon of 
the Application itself, you drag it into your Applications folder.
Then go to Applications folder and before doubling clicking it, you then use 
the Control key method. Then the same steps to open it.

It should then open after that.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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> On 19 May 2017, at 12:06 pm, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel
> Double click open the file then a small screen appears and asks to install 
> thats when the problem starts won't go past security protection maybe I 
> should find an Apple business and pay to have it installed.
> Regards Bill
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> 
> wrote:
> Hi Bill
> 
> If it’s a standard DMG file, then you should just be able to double click it 
> and it will open. Then you can do the “right click” part to open the 
> Application.
> e.g., something like Handbrake does the same thing (as it’s not set to open, 
> but you can still run it) - https://handbrake.fr
> 
> Im not familiar with the m-dvdcopy program exactly, but similar ones can 
> sometimes do the same as they’re not set for gatekeeper or identified 
> developers.
> If the DMG doesn’t open with a double click, and it’s an older file, it could 
> also be corrupted or another issue with it as well. As “generally” most DMG 
> files will just open automatically I find.
> 
> Hope that extra info helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
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> > On 19 May 2017, at 11:31 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Daniel
> > It is a DMG file and right or control click does not work.
> > Regards Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> 
> > wrote:
> > Hi Bill or Juliet
> >
> > If you’re sure it’s an Application that is safe, you can right click on the 
> > Application (or Control click on it) to bring up the contextual menu, then 
> > choose “Open”.
> > This will then ask if you want to open it with a “warning”. You can then 
> > choose “Open” and it will allow you to install/run the software.
> > As mentioned, as long as it’s one you’re fine running, then that should get 
> > it working.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Daniel
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 7
> >
> > ---
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Re: Security

[Juliet Kitson]

Hi Daniel
Double click open the file then a small screen appears and asks to install
thats when the problem starts won't go past security protection maybe I
should find an Apple business and pay to have it installed.
Regards Bill

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> If it’s a standard DMG file, then you should just be able to double click
> it and it will open. Then you can do the “right click” part to open the
> Application.
> e.g., something like Handbrake does the same thing (as it’s not set to
> open, but you can still run it) - https://handbrake.fr
>
> Im not familiar with the m-dvdcopy program exactly, but similar ones can
> sometimes do the same as they’re not set for gatekeeper or identified
> developers.
> If the DMG doesn’t open with a double click, and it’s an older file, it
> could also be corrupted or another issue with it as well. As “generally”
> most DMG files will just open automatically I find.
>
> Hope that extra info helps.
>
> Kind regards
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
>
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>
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>
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> that permission by the author be requested.
>
> > On 19 May 2017, at 11:31 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Daniel
> > It is a DMG file and right or control click does not work.
> > Regards Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au>
> wrote:
> > Hi Bill or Juliet
> >
> > If you’re sure it’s an Application that is safe, you can right click on
> the Application (or Control click on it) to bring up the contextual menu,
> then choose “Open”.
> > This will then ask if you want to open it with a “warning”. You can then
> choose “Open” and it will allow you to install/run the software.
> > As mentioned, as long as it’s one you’re fine running, then that should
> get it working.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Daniel
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 7
> >
> > ---
> > Daniel Kerr
> > MacWizardry
> >
> > Phone: 0414 795 960
> > Email: 
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> >
> >
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> >
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> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any
> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied,
> that permission by the author be requested.
> >
> > > On 19 May 2017, at 11:10 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Ronni
> > > I am using Sierra the software is from a site I used quite a while ago
> it is a dvd copy app. m-dvd copy-2 for-mac-dmg.
> > > Regards Bill
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > Hello Juliet,
> > >
> > > What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.
> > >
> > > Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to
> only allow options for apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App
> Store and identified developers.
> > > Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the
> ability to open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.
> > >
> > >
> > > To be clear, the “Allow applications downloaded from anywhere” option
> is hidden by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by
> going to the Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General”
> section you will not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings.
> > > Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal
> the third option and regain the ability to open apps that come from
> anywhere.
> > >
> > > This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users
> and developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should
> use this metho

Re: Security

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Bill

If it’s a standard DMG file, then you should just be able to double click it 
and it will open. Then you can do the “right click” part to open the 
Application.
e.g., something like Handbrake does the same thing (as it’s not set to open, 
but you can still run it) - https://handbrake.fr

Im not familiar with the m-dvdcopy program exactly, but similar ones can 
sometimes do the same as they’re not set for gatekeeper or identified 
developers.
If the DMG doesn’t open with a double click, and it’s an older file, it could 
also be corrupted or another issue with it as well. As “generally” most DMG 
files will just open automatically I find.

Hope that extra info helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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> On 19 May 2017, at 11:31 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel
> It is a DMG file and right or control click does not work.
> Regards Bill
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> 
> wrote:
> Hi Bill or Juliet
> 
> If you’re sure it’s an Application that is safe, you can right click on the 
> Application (or Control click on it) to bring up the contextual menu, then 
> choose “Open”.
> This will then ask if you want to open it with a “warning”. You can then 
> choose “Open” and it will allow you to install/run the software.
> As mentioned, as long as it’s one you’re fine running, then that should get 
> it working.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> > On 19 May 2017, at 11:10 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Ronni
> > I am using Sierra the software is from a site I used quite a while ago it 
> > is a dvd copy app. m-dvd copy-2 for-mac-dmg.
> > Regards Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Hello Juliet,
> >
> > What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.
> >
> > Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to only 
> > allow options for apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App 
> > Store and identified developers.
> > Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the ability 
> > to open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.
> >
> >
> > To be clear, the “Allow applications downloaded from anywhere” option is 
> > hidden by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by going 
> > to the Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General” section 
> > you will not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings.
> > Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal the 
> > third option and regain the ability to open apps that come from anywhere.
> >
> > This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users and 
> > developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should use 
> > this method, which involves disabling Gatekeeper from the command line, 
> > thereby removing the standard Gatekeeper security mechanisms in Mac OS.
> >
> > I won’t send you the Terminal command unless you are very sure about the 
> > Application you wish to install and are fully aware of the security risk 
> > you take when installing an unidentified application.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ronni
> >
> > 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> > 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> > 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> > 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> >
> > macOS Sierra 10.12.4
> >
> >>

Re: Security

[Juliet Kitson]

Thanks Daniel
It is a DMG file and right or control click does not work.
Regards Bill

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill or Juliet
>
> If you’re sure it’s an Application that is safe, you can right click on
> the Application (or Control click on it) to bring up the contextual menu,
> then choose “Open”.
> This will then ask if you want to open it with a “warning”. You can then
> choose “Open” and it will allow you to install/run the software.
> As mentioned, as long as it’s one you’re fine running, then that should
> get it working.
>
> Kind regards
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
>
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>
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> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any
> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied,
> that permission by the author be requested.
>
> > On 19 May 2017, at 11:10 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Ronni
> > I am using Sierra the software is from a site I used quite a while ago
> it is a dvd copy app. m-dvd copy-2 for-mac-dmg.
> > Regards Bill
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Hello Juliet,
> >
> > What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.
> >
> > Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to only
> allow options for apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App
> Store and identified developers.
> > Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the
> ability to open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.
> >
> >
> > To be clear, the “Allow applications downloaded from anywhere” option is
> hidden by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by going
> to the Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General” section
> you will not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings.
> > Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal the
> third option and regain the ability to open apps that come from anywhere.
> >
> > This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users and
> developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should use
> this method, which involves disabling Gatekeeper from the command line,
> thereby removing the standard Gatekeeper security mechanisms in Mac OS.
> >
> > I won’t send you the Terminal command unless you are very sure about the
> Application you wish to install and are fully aware of the security risk
> you take when installing an unidentified application.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ronni
> >
> > 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> > 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> > 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> > 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> >
> > macOS Sierra 10.12.4
> >
> >> On 19 May 2017, at 10:26 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >> I have a down loaded app that I want to install but because it is not
> from app store or identified source how do I overcome this.
> >> Regards Bill
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Security

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Bill or Juliet

If you’re sure it’s an Application that is safe, you can right click on the 
Application (or Control click on it) to bring up the contextual menu, then 
choose “Open”. 
This will then ask if you want to open it with a “warning”. You can then choose 
“Open” and it will allow you to install/run the software.
As mentioned, as long as it’s one you’re fine running, then that should get it 
working.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 19 May 2017, at 11:10 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni
> I am using Sierra the software is from a site I used quite a while ago it is 
> a dvd copy app. m-dvd copy-2 for-mac-dmg.
> Regards Bill
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Juliet,
> 
> What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.
> 
> Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to only 
> allow options for apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App Store 
> and identified developers. 
> Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the ability to 
> open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.
> 
> 
> To be clear, the “Allow applications downloaded from anywhere” option is 
> hidden by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by going 
> to the Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General” section 
> you will not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings. 
> Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal the 
> third option and regain the ability to open apps that come from anywhere.
> 
> This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users and 
> developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should use 
> this method, which involves disabling Gatekeeper from the command line, 
> thereby removing the standard Gatekeeper security mechanisms in Mac OS.
> 
> I won’t send you the Terminal command unless you are very sure about the 
> Application you wish to install and are fully aware of the security risk you 
> take when installing an unidentified application.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12.4
> 
>> On 19 May 2017, at 10:26 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I have a down loaded app that I want to install but because it is not from 
>> app store or identified source how do I overcome this.
>> Regards Bill
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Security

[Juliet Kitson]

Thanks Ronni
I am using Sierra the software is from a site I used quite a while ago it
is a dvd copy app. m-dvd copy-2 for-mac-dmg.
Regards Bill

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:

> Hello Juliet,
>
> What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.
>
> Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to only
> allow options for *apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App
> Store and identified developers*.
> Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the ability
> to *open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.*
>
>
> To be clear, the “*Allow applications downloaded from anywhere*” option
> is hidden by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by
> going to the Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General”
> section you will not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings.
> Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal the
> third option and regain the ability to open apps that come from anywhere.
>
> This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users and
> developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should use
> this method, which involves disabling Gatekeeper from the command line,
> thereby removing the standard Gatekeeper security mechanisms in Mac OS.
>
> I won’t send you the Terminal command unless you are very sure about the
> Application you wish to install and are fully aware of the security risk
> you take when installing an unidentified application.
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> *13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)*
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>
> macOS Sierra 10.12.4
>
> On 19 May 2017, at 10:26 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I have a down loaded app that I want to install but because it is not from
> app store or identified source how do I overcome this.
> Regards Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Security

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Juliet,

What operating system are you using? If it is macOS Sierra.

Gatekeeper in macOS Sierra is now stricter than ever, defaulting to only allow 
options for apps downloaded from either the App Store or the App Store and 
identified developers. 
Advanced Mac users may wish to allow a third option, which is the ability to 
open and allow apps downloaded from anywhere in macOS Sierra.


To be clear, the “Allow applications downloaded from anywhere” option is hidden 
by default in Gatekeeper for macOS Sierra. You can see this by going to the 
Security & Privacy preference panel, and under the “General” section you will 
not find such an option for Gatekeeper app allow settings. 
Despite that, with a little command line intervention you can reveal the third 
option and regain the ability to open apps that come from anywhere.

This is not recommended for most Mac users, only advanced Mac users and 
developers who have the ability to accurately gauge app validity should use 
this method, which involves disabling Gatekeeper from the command line, thereby 
removing the standard Gatekeeper security mechanisms in Mac OS.

I won’t send you the Terminal command unless you are very sure about the 
Application you wish to install and are fully aware of the security risk you 
take when installing an unidentified application.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.4

> On 19 May 2017, at 10:26 am, Juliet Kitson <billand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I have a down loaded app that I want to install but because it is not from 
> app store or identified source how do I overcome this.
> Regards Bill
> 






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Security

[Juliet Kitson]

Hello
I have a down loaded app that I want to install but because it is not from
app store or identified source how do I overcome this.
Regards Bill
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Why Apple are fighting to protect the security of their customers

[Ronni Brown]

Hello WAMUG members,

You will all be aware of the legal battles between Apple and the FBI. 
You might not be fully aware of how dangerous this would be if Apple DON’T 
convince the FBI and US Government of the implications of creating a ‘backdoor’ 
into Apple’s iOS security/encryption!

If you have not read Tim Cook’s - A Message to Our Customers, please do it is 
vitally important to you.
February 16, 2016 - Tim Cook 
A Message to Our Customers
<http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ <http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/>>

—-

Tim Cook’s Open Letter Prompted by the FBI Going Public
20 February 2016

Apple’s spat with the FBI over building a cracking tool for an iPhone linked to 
the San Bernardino terrorism case has taken an interesting turn. The New York 
Times reports that while Apple had asked the FBI to file its request under 
seal, the government chose instead to make it public. 

That supports the theory that the FBI is using this high-profile case of 
domestic terrorism to pressure Apple into compromising the security of its 
products. Faced with this PR onslaught, Apple saw no choice but to take its 
case for supporting encryption to the public in Tim Cook’s open letter. 

Sadly, this fight between the FBI and Apple could have been avoided had the 
assailant’s employer used standard mobile device management tools to maintain 
passcode control over the work iPhone in question.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-became-a-bulwark-for-digital-privacy.html?_r=1
 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-became-a-bulwark-for-digital-privacy.html?_r=1>>

—

February 18, 2016

A Forensics Expert’s View into the FBI’s Request
The more we learn about the Apple/FBI dustup, the more clear it has become that 
this is actually a subtle and dangerous game of chess, with each side feinting 
and attacking with whatever weapons they have. 

The latest insight comes from Jonathan Zdziarski, considered to be among the 
world’s leading experts in iOS-related forensics. In a blog post, Zdziarski 
explains the difference between “lab services” and developing an “instrument.” 

Apple has provided one-off lab services in the past to help law enforcement 
recover data when required by law. But developing an instrument is a 
tremendously involved, verified, documented, tested, and validated process. It 
would require significant resources and would result in the hacking tool being 
made public and usable by any law enforcement or intelligence agency — along 
with foreign governments and criminal organizations. 

That’s why Apple is resisting!

<http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645 <http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645>>


Kind Regards,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

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Re: Apple Security Questions ?

[Alan Smith]

Hi Stephen

I have no suggestions for an immediate resolution, but there is always Apple 
Support via telephone.Link to this doc (“If you forgot the answers to your 
Apple ID security questions”) should help find the way forward.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201485

Regards
Alan

> On 13 Dec 2015, at 11:40 AM, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks … I got no responses to this one.
> Any ideas please ?
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>>
>> Date: 8 Dec 2015 at 7:25:54 PM AWST
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>> Subject: Apple Security Questions ?
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the App 
>> Store.
>> However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
>> He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
>> An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot 
>> recall setting up.
>> 
>> Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Fwd: Apple Security Questions ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks … I got no responses to this one.
Any ideas please ?

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com>
> Date: 8 Dec 2015 at 7:25:54 PM AWST
> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au>
> Subject: Apple Security Questions ?
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the App 
> Store.
> However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
> He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
> An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot 
> recall setting up.
> 
> Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Regards,
Stephen Chape






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Re: Apple Security Questions ?

[Kevin Lock]

Check out with your grandson if this the email he 
received.….http://lifeinlofi.com/2013/02/11/warning-apple-id-phishing-scam/ 
<http://lifeinlofi.com/2013/02/11/warning-apple-id-phishing-scam/>

Kev


> On 13 Dec 2015, at 11:40 am, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks … I got no responses to this one.
> Any ideas please ?
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>>
>> Date: 8 Dec 2015 at 7:25:54 PM AWST
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>> Subject: Apple Security Questions ?
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the App 
>> Store.
>> However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
>> He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
>> An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot 
>> recall setting up.
>> 
>> Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Apple Security Questions ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thanks Alan … looks like I will try the support call idea tomorrow.


> On 13 Dec 2015, at 12:56 PM, Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen
> 
> I have no suggestions for an immediate resolution, but there is always Apple 
> Support via telephone.Link to this doc (“If you forgot the answers to 
> your Apple ID security questions”) should help find the way forward.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201485 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201485>
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2015, at 11:40 AM, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks … I got no responses to this one.
>> Any ideas please ?
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>>
>>> Date: 8 Dec 2015 at 7:25:54 PM AWST
>>> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>>> Subject: Apple Security Questions ?
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the 
>>> App Store.
>>> However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
>>> He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
>>> An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot 
>>> recall setting up.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple Security Questions ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Kevin,
No it wasn’t … I tried for him also from my Mac and got the same responses.
Security Questions like “In which city was your first kiss?”.
Andrew is a NOT very mature 15 year old boy, so it makes no sense that he would 
have set up that question in his Apple ID.

I get Security Questions from time to time when I log in, but I know mine and I 
know the answers.

He has also been told (and me when I tried for him) that an email has been sent 
to his “rescue email address”
Which neither of us can recall setting up.
So goodness knows where that is going ?


> On 13 Dec 2015, at 12:06 PM, Kevin Lock <kal...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Check out with your grandson if this the email he 
> received.….http://lifeinlofi.com/2013/02/11/warning-apple-id-phishing-scam/ 
> <http://lifeinlofi.com/2013/02/11/warning-apple-id-phishing-scam/>
> 
> Kev
> 
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2015, at 11:40 am, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com 
>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks … I got no responses to this one.
>> Any ideas please ?
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>>
>>> Date: 8 Dec 2015 at 7:25:54 PM AWST
>>> To: WAMUG Mailing List <wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>>> Subject: Apple Security Questions ?
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the 
>>> App Store.
>>> However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
>>> He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
>>> An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot 
>>> recall setting up.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Apple Security Questions ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks,

My grandson has been asked some security questions when logging into the App 
Store.
However he cannot recall ever setting them up.
He tried so many times that he was told to wait 8 hours and try again.
An email was apparently sent to his “rescue email” which he also cannot recall 
setting up.

Is there any way to reset his questions or change the “rescue email” ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape






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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

Yes, you are correct in your reply to Michael. El Capitan has nothing to do 
with violating Anti-Trust laws!
As I mentioned previously "Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything 
possible to keep your System (& you) Safe”. 

I have not experienced any problems whatsoever since upgrading my MacBook Pro 
to El Capitan OS X 10.11. 
As always though I took the time to carefully do all the preparation of my 
MacBook Pro and BACKUPS (Bootable & Time Machine), prior to downloading and 
installing.
Everything went very smoothly and after the installation progress completes the 
setup screen appeared - Sign in Apple ID - Setup iCloud - verify my Identity - 
verify code sent to iPhone. Then the ‘Setting Up your Mac’ screen completes and 
your Login Screen appears, type login password and you are running El Capitan.
Mail opened and downloaded messages from my five (5) email accounts. I then 
went about checking all my important applications and no problems.

If you are thinking of upgrading to El Capitan Stephen, please make sure that 
you do the Preparation and backups & a bootable backup prior to installing.
It is most important to Update ALL your Applications and any plugins and check 
they are El Capitan compatible BEFORE you install.

I haven’t had time to write instructions How to Prepare for El Capitan but this 
set of instructions is very similar to what I did.
I always disconnect any external drives, disconnect anything connected  to my 
Mac. Turn OFF Time Machine, Turn OFF Automatic backups.

6 Steps to Prepare a Mac for the OS X El Capitan Update - 
<http://osxdaily.com/2015/09/29/prepare-mac-os-x-el-capitan/ 
<http://osxdaily.com/2015/09/29/prepare-mac-os-x-el-capitan/>>

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD

OS X El Capitan 10.11


> On 7 Oct 2015, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> Looks to me like this is to do with personal security rather than anti-trust 
> as with Microsoft.
> At least that’s the way I read it.
> 
> And thank you Ronni for the very detailed list of important info.
> I feel I may update to El Capitan later today if time permits.
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 6:05 pm, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thinking back to the prosecution against MicroSoft in the late 1990s decade 
>> which indirectly lead to Microsoft injecting cash into Apple to keep Apple 
>> afloat as a competitor to MicroSoft (and thus offer an alternative to 
>> Windows), I wonder why this apparent requirement that users must use iCloud 
>> and two Apple devices as well as use only Apple software doesn’t violate USA 
>> anti-trust laws.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 3:30 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,
>>> 
>>> I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who 
>>> might not be fully aware of the changes.
>>> Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 
>>> 10.11 El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> El Capitan - New Security Improvements
>>> 
>>> There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac 
>>> users from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the 
>>> software utilities you use no longer work.
>>> 
>>> System Integrity Protection: Also called “rootless,” this feature makes an 
>>> El Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits 
>>> what power users can do to their systems—unless they disable it.
>>> 
>>> What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?
>>> 
>>> In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as 
>>> rootless, will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files 
>>> even by administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or 
>>> process will be able to write files or modify files in the root System 
>>> folder or the /bin, /sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by 
>>> default in OS X’s Finder. The /usr/local folder will still be accessible 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any 
>>> malware to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that 
>>> manages tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and 
>>> Dock. 
>>> This might lead

Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Neil Houghton]

Hmmm,

Having recently travelled overseas when we just bought local SIM cards and
changed them out as we moved ­ how could two-factor verification work in
this scenario. If my ³trusted device² is associated with a particular
trusted phone number, it will be uncontactable when the SIM is changed. If I
can just sign-in to my account via the new SIM, then it might work ­ but
wouldn¹t that just be one-factor verification.

Also if, say, my iPhone is lost or stolen ­ will find my phone still work
with a different SIM in it and let me ³wipe it² - that would be good ­ but
then am I locked out of my MacBook if my trusted device/trusted phone number
are gone ­ that would leave me totally cut-off and would be bad.

Or am I missing something obvious here?

It seems to me that the fingerprint ID provides a more foolproof security
measure ­ but no doubt has its own problems - what happens when you pick up
that red-hot bit of metal and singe off your fingerprint  ;o)



Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com





on 6/10/15 15:30, Ronni Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

> Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,
> 
> I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who
> might not be fully aware of the changes.
> Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 10.11
> El Capitan.
> 
> El Capitan - New Security Improvements
> 
> There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac
> users from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the
> software utilities you use no longer work.
> 
> System Integrity Protection: Also called ³rootless,² this feature makes an El
> Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits what
> power users can do to their systems‹unless they disable it.
> 
> What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as rootless,
> will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files even by
> administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or process
> will be able to write files or modify files in the root System folder or the
> /bin, /sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by default in OS X¹s
> Finder. The /usr/local folder will still be accessible though.
> 
> By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any malware
> to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that manages
> tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and Dock.
> This might lead to some changes in third party apps you use regularly, for
> instance, prior to El Capitan Dropbox showed sync status in the Finder,
> luckily this won¹t be gone completely, Apple has added generic code to support
> it.
> 
> How will Rootless effect app developers?
> 
> Kernel extensions will still be allowed, but developers will need a valid
> certificate from Apple to get them cryptographically signed.
> 
> However developers of programs like SuperDuper! were busy trying to adapt to
> the new way of working. SuperDuper needs to read everything on a drive to
> perform a clone and, to restore or write anywhere. Which could make it
> impossible to restore a volume without disabling System Integrity Protection.
> 
> Update Note: Update SuperDuper! has now released SuperDuper 2.8(v96) and
> available for automatic upgrade! SuperDuper 2.8(96) is El Capitan compatible.
> 
> How will Rootless effect me in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> These new security measures are designed to avoid the circumstances where a
> user is fooled by some malware and types in their password, allowing a Trojan
> horse to install.
> 
> When you update to El Capitan any non-Apple files in those directories will be
> removed. This might mean that some of the software you use no longer works,
> but it¹s perhaps worth it if it removes horrors lucking within.
> 
> What this means is that it will no longer be the case that a superuser, or
> root, can do anything to the system. Root is something that is fundamental to
> Unix. However, because it is possible to have this root power on Unix (on
> which OS X is based) OS X is vulnerable to attack if a malicious user gains
> root access.
> 
> Can I disable Rootless in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> It is possible to disable this protection, however I would certainly NOT
> recommend you do and therefore won¹t post to WAMUG mailing list how to disable
> Rootless. Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything possible to keep
> your System (& you) Safe, so why break it?
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> 
> € Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by a

El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Ronni Brown]

Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,

I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who 
might not be fully aware of the changes.
Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 
El Capitan.

El Capitan - New Security Improvements

There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac users 
from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the software 
utilities you use no longer work.

System Integrity Protection: Also called “rootless,” this feature makes an El 
Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits what 
power users can do to their systems—unless they disable it.

What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?

In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as rootless, 
will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files even by 
administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or process will 
be able to write files or modify files in the root System folder or the /bin, 
/sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by default in OS X’s Finder. The 
/usr/local folder will still be accessible though.

By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any malware 
to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that manages 
tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and Dock. 
This might lead to some changes in third party apps you use regularly, for 
instance, prior to El Capitan Dropbox showed sync status in the Finder, luckily 
this won’t be gone completely, Apple has added generic code to support it.

How will Rootless effect app developers?

Kernel extensions will still be allowed, but developers will need a valid 
certificate from Apple to get them cryptographically signed.

However developers of programs like SuperDuper! were busy trying to adapt to 
the new way of working. SuperDuper needs to read everything on a drive to 
perform a clone and, to restore or write anywhere. Which could make it 
impossible to restore a volume without disabling System Integrity Protection.

Update Note: Update SuperDuper! has now released SuperDuper 2.8(v96) and 
available for automatic upgrade! SuperDuper 2.8(96) is El Capitan compatible.

How will Rootless effect me in OS X El Capitan?

These new security measures are designed to avoid the circumstances where a 
user is fooled by some malware and types in their password, allowing a Trojan 
horse to install.

When you update to El Capitan any non-Apple files in those directories will be 
removed. This might mean that some of the software you use no longer works, but 
it’s perhaps worth it if it removes horrors lucking within.

What this means is that it will no longer be the case that a superuser, or 
root, can do anything to the system. Root is something that is fundamental to 
Unix. However, because it is possible to have this root power on Unix (on which 
OS X is based) OS X is vulnerable to attack if a malicious user gains root 
access.

Can I disable Rootless in OS X El Capitan?

It is possible to disable this protection, however I would certainly NOT 
recommend you do and therefore won’t post to WAMUG mailing list how to disable 
Rootless. Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything possible to keep 
your System (& you) Safe, so why break it?

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

• Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by adding two-factor 
authentication for your Apple ID in El Capitan and iOS 9. 

Apple’s current “two-step” system requires users to specify a trusted device or 
trusted phone number to which a four-digit code can be sent which you can use 
to confirm your identity. Without both the password and verification code you 
won’t be able to access your account.

Apple has posted an explanation of its plans for two-factor authentication in 
El Capitan and iOS 9, here 
<https://developer.apple.com/support/two-factor-authentication/>. 
Similar to the existing system, users will set up at least one iOS and OS X 
device as “trusted devices.” These devices appear in a list in your Apple ID 
account and can be removed from there. They can be found in OS X in iCloud 
system preferences, by clicking Account Details, and in iOS 9 in Settings > 
iCloud > Account. You also have to verify at least one phone number.

Following set up, whenever you sign in with your Apple ID on a new device or 
browser, you will need to also verify your identity by entering your password 
plus a six-digit verification code that will be displayed automatically on any 
Apple devices you are already signed in to that are running iOS 9 or OS X El 
Capitan. If you don’t have one of your trusted Apple devices handy, you can 
receive the code on your phone via a text message or via phone call instead.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boo

Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Brian Risbey]

Hi Ronni
Great article.

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El Capitan? 
All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but not my 
MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?

Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 15:30, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Brian Risbey]

Hi All,

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

So after reading Ronni's update, I read through my list of devices on my iPhone 
in iCloud Settings and 'none can receive the verification' ... ( can't remember 
the exact sentence)

Brian

On 6 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Brian Risbey  wrote:

Hi Ronni
Great article.

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El Capitan? 
All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but not my 
MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?

Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 



Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 
> On 6 Oct 2015, at 15:30, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Brian Risbey]

Hi All

So, I checked my iCloud account, all up to date… then I read "and you need to 
log on using a PC or a Mac", very clever, my MacBookPro freezes when I enter 
the password, 
very “Catch 22”

Brian



On 6 Oct 2015, at 4:47 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:

Hi All,

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

So after reading Ronni's update, I read through my list of devices on my iPhone 
in iCloud Settings and 'none can receive the verification' ... ( can't remember 
the exact sentence)

Brian

On 6 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Brian Risbey > wrote:

Hi Ronni
Great article.

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El Capitan? 
All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but not my 
MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?

Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 



Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 
On 6 Oct 2015, at 15:30, Ronni Brown > 
wrote:

> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Michael,
Looks to me like this is to do with personal security rather than anti-trust as 
with Microsoft.
At least that’s the way I read it.

And thank you Ronni for the very detailed list of important info.
I feel I may update to El Capitan later today if time permits.


> On 6 Oct 2015, at 6:05 pm, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thinking back to the prosecution against MicroSoft in the late 1990s decade 
> which indirectly lead to Microsoft injecting cash into Apple to keep Apple 
> afloat as a competitor to MicroSoft (and thus offer an alternative to 
> Windows), I wonder why this apparent requirement that users must use iCloud 
> and two Apple devices as well as use only Apple software doesn’t violate USA 
> anti-trust laws.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 3:30 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,
>> 
>> I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who 
>> might not be fully aware of the changes.
>> Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 
>> 10.11 El Capitan.
>> 
>> El Capitan - New Security Improvements
>> 
>> There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac 
>> users from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the 
>> software utilities you use no longer work.
>> 
>> System Integrity Protection: Also called “rootless,” this feature makes an 
>> El Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits 
>> what power users can do to their systems—unless they disable it.
>> 
>> What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?
>> 
>> In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as 
>> rootless, will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files 
>> even by administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or 
>> process will be able to write files or modify files in the root System 
>> folder or the /bin, /sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by default 
>> in OS X’s Finder. The /usr/local folder will still be accessible though.
>> 
>> By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any 
>> malware to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that 
>> manages tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and 
>> Dock. 
>> This might lead to some changes in third party apps you use regularly, for 
>> instance, prior to El Capitan Dropbox showed sync status in the Finder, 
>> luckily this won’t be gone completely, Apple has added generic code to 
>> support it.
>> 
>> How will Rootless effect app developers?
>> 
>> Kernel extensions will still be allowed, but developers will need a valid 
>> certificate from Apple to get them cryptographically signed.
>> 
>> However developers of programs like SuperDuper! were busy trying to adapt to 
>> the new way of working. SuperDuper needs to read everything on a drive to 
>> perform a clone and, to restore or write anywhere. Which could make it 
>> impossible to restore a volume without disabling System Integrity Protection.
>> 
>> Update Note: Update SuperDuper! has now released SuperDuper 2.8(v96) and 
>> available for automatic upgrade! SuperDuper 2.8(96) is El Capitan compatible.
>> 
>> How will Rootless effect me in OS X El Capitan?
>> 
>> These new security measures are designed to avoid the circumstances where a 
>> user is fooled by some malware and types in their password, allowing a 
>> Trojan horse to install.
>> 
>> When you update to El Capitan any non-Apple files in those directories will 
>> be removed. This might mean that some of the software you use no longer 
>> works, but it’s perhaps worth it if it removes horrors lucking within.
>> 
>> What this means is that it will no longer be the case that a superuser, or 
>> root, can do anything to the system. Root is something that is fundamental 
>> to Unix. However, because it is possible to have this root power on Unix (on 
>> which OS X is based) OS X is vulnerable to attack if a malicious user gains 
>> root access.
>> 
>> Can I disable Rootless in OS X El Capitan?
>> 
>> It is possible to disable this protection, however I would certainly NOT 
>> recommend you do and therefore won’t post to WAMUG mailing list how to 
>> disable Rootless. Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything 
>> possible to keep your System (&

Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Peter Crisp]

Brian, thanks for being the Guinea pig for the rest of us. I'm not having any 
issues with my osx currently so will hold off for the moment.

I keenly watch this to read of the fix.

Regards

Pete

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 5:53 PM, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Yes followed the link...
> Off to WAMUG meeting tonight to share tale of woe:-(
> 
> Brian
> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
> iOS 9.0 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2015, at 17:42, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Did you click the ‘here’ link in my previous message it would have taken you 
> to this Developer Support page below.
> Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan
> 
> Have a good read there as it might help you. If all fails you could follow 
> the instructions under:
> How do I regain access to my account if I can’t sign in?
> 
> "Account recovery will take a few days—or longer—depending on what account 
> information you are able to provide. The process is designed to get you back 
> into your account as quickly as possible while denying access to anyone who 
> might be pretending to be you."
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> 
> • Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by adding 
> two-factor authentication for your Apple ID in El Capitan and iOS 9. 
> 
> Apple’s current “two-step” system requires users to specify a trusted device 
> or trusted phone number to which a four-digit code can be sent which you can 
> use to confirm your identity. Without both the password and verification code 
> you won’t be able to access your account.
> 
> Apple has posted an explanation of its plans for two-factor authentication in 
> El Capitan and iOS 9, here. 
> Similar to the existing system, users will set up at least one iOS and OS X 
> device as “trusted devices.” These devices appear in a list in your Apple ID 
> account and can be removed from there. They can be found in OS X in iCloud 
> system preferences, by clicking Account Details, and in iOS 9 in Settings > 
> iCloud > Account. You also have to verify at least one phone number.
> 
> Following set up, whenever you sign in with your Apple ID on a new device or 
> browser, you will need to also verify your identity by entering your password 
> plus a six-digit verification code that will be displayed automatically on 
> any Apple devices you are already signed in to that are running iOS 9 or OS X 
> El Capitan. If you don’t have one of your trusted Apple devices handy, you 
> can receive the code on your phone via a text message or via phone call 
> instead.
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 4:47 pm, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
>> 
>> So after reading Ronni's update, I read through my list of devices on my 
>> iPhone in iCloud Settings and 'none can receive the verification' ... ( 
>> can't remember the exact sentence)
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> Great article.
>> 
>> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
>> Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El 
>> Capitan? All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but 
>> not my MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
>> I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?
>> 
>> Brian
>> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
>> iOS 9.0 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 
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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Michael Hawkins]

Thinking back to the prosecution against MicroSoft in the late 1990s decade 
which indirectly lead to Microsoft injecting cash into Apple to keep Apple 
afloat as a competitor to MicroSoft (and thus offer an alternative to Windows), 
I wonder why this apparent requirement that users must use iCloud and two Apple 
devices as well as use only Apple software doesn’t violate USA anti-trust laws.

Cheers,

Michael.


> On 6 Oct 2015, at 3:30 pm, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,
> 
> I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who 
> might not be fully aware of the changes.
> Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 
> El Capitan.
> 
> El Capitan - New Security Improvements
> 
> There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac 
> users from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the 
> software utilities you use no longer work.
> 
> System Integrity Protection: Also called “rootless,” this feature makes an El 
> Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits what 
> power users can do to their systems—unless they disable it.
> 
> What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as 
> rootless, will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files 
> even by administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or 
> process will be able to write files or modify files in the root System folder 
> or the /bin, /sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by default in OS 
> X’s Finder. The /usr/local folder will still be accessible though.
> 
> By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any 
> malware to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that 
> manages tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and 
> Dock. 
> This might lead to some changes in third party apps you use regularly, for 
> instance, prior to El Capitan Dropbox showed sync status in the Finder, 
> luckily this won’t be gone completely, Apple has added generic code to 
> support it.
> 
> How will Rootless effect app developers?
> 
> Kernel extensions will still be allowed, but developers will need a valid 
> certificate from Apple to get them cryptographically signed.
> 
> However developers of programs like SuperDuper! were busy trying to adapt to 
> the new way of working. SuperDuper needs to read everything on a drive to 
> perform a clone and, to restore or write anywhere. Which could make it 
> impossible to restore a volume without disabling System Integrity Protection.
> 
> Update Note: Update SuperDuper! has now released SuperDuper 2.8(v96) and 
> available for automatic upgrade! SuperDuper 2.8(96) is El Capitan compatible.
> 
> How will Rootless effect me in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> These new security measures are designed to avoid the circumstances where a 
> user is fooled by some malware and types in their password, allowing a Trojan 
> horse to install.
> 
> When you update to El Capitan any non-Apple files in those directories will 
> be removed. This might mean that some of the software you use no longer 
> works, but it’s perhaps worth it if it removes horrors lucking within.
> 
> What this means is that it will no longer be the case that a superuser, or 
> root, can do anything to the system. Root is something that is fundamental to 
> Unix. However, because it is possible to have this root power on Unix (on 
> which OS X is based) OS X is vulnerable to attack if a malicious user gains 
> root access.
> 
> Can I disable Rootless in OS X El Capitan?
> 
> It is possible to disable this protection, however I would certainly NOT 
> recommend you do and therefore won’t post to WAMUG mailing list how to 
> disable Rootless. Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything possible 
> to keep your System (& you) Safe, so why break it?
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> 
> • Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by adding 
> two-factor authentication for your Apple ID in El Capitan and iOS 9. 
> 
> Apple’s current “two-step” system requires users to specify a trusted device 
> or trusted phone number to which a four-digit code can be sent which you can 
> use to confirm your identity. Without both the password and verification code 
> you won’t be able to access your account.
> 
> Apple has posted an explanation of its plans for two-factor authentication in 
> El Capitan and iOS 9, here 
> <https://developer.apple.com/support/two-factor-authentication/>. 
> Similar to the existi

Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Brian,

Did you click the ‘here 
<https://developer.apple.com/support/two-factor-authentication/>’ link in my 
previous message it would have taken you to this Developer Support page below.
Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan 
<https://developer.apple.com/support/two-factor-authentication/>

Have a good read there as it might help you. If all fails you could follow the 
instructions under:
How do I regain access to my account if I can’t sign in?

"Account recovery will take a few days—or longer—depending on what account 
information you are able to provide. The process is designed to get you back 
into your account as quickly as possible while denying access to anyone who 
might be pretending to be you."

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

• Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by adding two-factor 
authentication for your Apple ID in El Capitan and iOS 9. 

Apple’s current “two-step” system requires users to specify a trusted device or 
trusted phone number to which a four-digit code can be sent which you can use 
to confirm your identity. Without both the password and verification code you 
won’t be able to access your account.

Apple has posted an explanation of its plans for two-factor authentication in 
El Capitan and iOS 9, here 
<https://developer.apple.com/support/two-factor-authentication/>. 
Similar to the existing system, users will set up at least one iOS and OS X 
device as “trusted devices.” These devices appear in a list in your Apple ID 
account and can be removed from there. They can be found in OS X in iCloud 
system preferences, by clicking Account Details, and in iOS 9 in Settings > 
iCloud > Account. You also have to verify at least one phone number.

Following set up, whenever you sign in with your Apple ID on a new device or 
browser, you will need to also verify your identity by entering your password 
plus a six-digit verification code that will be displayed automatically on any 
Apple devices you are already signed in to that are running iOS 9 or OS X El 
Capitan. If you don’t have one of your trusted Apple devices handy, you can 
receive the code on your phone via a text message or via phone call instead.


> On 6 Oct 2015, at 4:47 pm, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> 
> So after reading Ronni's update, I read through my list of devices on my 
> iPhone in iCloud Settings and 'none can receive the verification' ... ( can't 
> remember the exact sentence)
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 6 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com 
> <mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Great article.
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El Capitan? 
> All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but not my 
> MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
> I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?
> 
> Brian
> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
> iOS 9.0 
Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Brian Risbey]

Hi Ronni

Yes followed the link...
Off to WAMUG meeting tonight to share tale of woe:-(

Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 

On 6 Oct 2015, at 17:42, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:

Hi Brian,

Did you click the ‘here’ link in my previous message it would have taken you to 
this Developer Support page below.
Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan

Have a good read there as it might help you. If all fails you could follow the 
instructions under:
How do I regain access to my account if I can’t sign in?

"Account recovery will take a few days—or longer—depending on what account 
information you are able to provide. The process is designed to get you back 
into your account as quickly as possible while denying access to anyone who 
might be pretending to be you."

Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID

• Two-factor authentication: Apple has beefed up security by adding two-factor 
authentication for your Apple ID in El Capitan and iOS 9. 

Apple’s current “two-step” system requires users to specify a trusted device or 
trusted phone number to which a four-digit code can be sent which you can use 
to confirm your identity. Without both the password and verification code you 
won’t be able to access your account.

Apple has posted an explanation of its plans for two-factor authentication in 
El Capitan and iOS 9, here. 
Similar to the existing system, users will set up at least one iOS and OS X 
device as “trusted devices.” These devices appear in a list in your Apple ID 
account and can be removed from there. They can be found in OS X in iCloud 
system preferences, by clicking Account Details, and in iOS 9 in Settings > 
iCloud > Account. You also have to verify at least one phone number.

Following set up, whenever you sign in with your Apple ID on a new device or 
browser, you will need to also verify your identity by entering your password 
plus a six-digit verification code that will be displayed automatically on any 
Apple devices you are already signed in to that are running iOS 9 or OS X El 
Capitan. If you don’t have one of your trusted Apple devices handy, you can 
receive the code on your phone via a text message or via phone call instead.


> On 6 Oct 2015, at 4:47 pm, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> 
> So after reading Ronni's update, I read through my list of devices on my 
> iPhone in iCloud Settings and 'none can receive the verification' ... ( can't 
> remember the exact sentence)
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 6 Oct 2015, at 16:36, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Great article.
> 
> Changes to two-factor verification for Apple ID
> Is this why I can't log into iCloud and iTunes since upgrading to El Capitan? 
> All my other 0S 9.0 devices can (So, proving my password works) but not my 
> MacBookPro 17"(4.1)?  These both 'hang' after entered in password.
> I need to set it as a trusted device and set up the two part verification...?
> 
> Brian
> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
> iOS 9.0 
Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
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512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

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Re: OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite and iOS 8.4.1 Address Numerous Security Holes

[Michael Hawkins]

I’m impressed with the increase in speed on my MacBook since the update was 
installed. Dragon Dictate, for example, has been transformed into something 
functional.

Michael Hawkins
Yosemite 10.10.5
 MacBook Pro (17 inch late 2011)
2.4 GHz Intel Core i7
8GB 1333 MHz DDR3

 On 15 Aug 2015, at 5:00 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hello people,
 
 OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 Combo Update
 
 Post Date: Aug 13, 2015
 
 File Size: 2.12 GB
 
 System Requirements
 OS X Yosemite 10.10
 
 OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite and iOS 8.4.1 Address Numerous Security Holes
 
 Apple has released minor updates to both OS X 10.10 Yosemite and iOS 8, 
 calling out just a few general changes in the main release notes, but noting 
 nearly 70 security fixes for OS X and over 40 for iOS. 
 It would seem likely that Apple’s release was timed to follow the Black Hat 
 and DEFCON security conferences, where privately reported security 
 vulnerabilities might be made public. 
 Given the number of security fixes, I’d encourage you to install these 
 updates soon, since they’re more important than the release notes might imply.
 
 
 OS X -- For Mac users, OS X 10.10.5 
 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205004, which is available via Software 
 Update or via delta https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1833 (from 10.10.4, 1.02 
 GG) or combo https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832 (from any version of 
 10.10, file size 2.12 GB) updaters
 
 Note:  Ronni (as I’m sure you know), always installs the Combo Update and 
 recommend you do.
 https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832?locale=en_US 
 https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832?locale=en_US
 
 
 Installation of OS X 10.10.5 Combo Update on: 
 My MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011) 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7/16GB 1333 MHz 
 DDR3/ Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB
 Only took 10mins to complete installation… Below is the steps I took to 
 install the Combo 10.10.5 Update.
 
 1. Repair Disk Permissions
 2. Do Backups - Time Machine and CCC Bootable backup (check bootable backup - 
 check TM backup)
 3. Install osxupdate10.10.5 Combo
 A) Preparing Update  
 B) Restart 
 C) Installing Software Update
 D) Restart into OS X 10.10.5 - (Fans raced for a few seconds after restarting 
 into 10.10.5)
 Total installation took 8-10mins.
 4. Repair Permissions (only took 1 min.)
 5. Ran Software Update (App Store to check for any updates) installed 'Update 
 iTunes 12.2.2' (114MB)
 
 NO Problems with the installation and I haven't noticed any problems after 
 booting into OS X 10.10.5
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X Yosemite 10.10.5
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
 
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OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite and iOS 8.4.1 Address Numerous Security Holes

[Ronni Brown]

Hello people,

OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 Combo Update

Post Date: Aug 13, 2015

File Size: 2.12 GB

System Requirements
OS X Yosemite 10.10

OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite and iOS 8.4.1 Address Numerous Security Holes

Apple has released minor updates to both OS X 10.10 Yosemite and iOS 8, calling 
out just a few general changes in the main release notes, but noting nearly 70 
security fixes for OS X and over 40 for iOS. 
It would seem likely that Apple’s release was timed to follow the Black Hat and 
DEFCON security conferences, where privately reported security vulnerabilities 
might be made public. 
Given the number of security fixes, I’d encourage you to install these updates 
soon, since they’re more important than the release notes might imply.


OS X -- For Mac users, OS X 10.10.5 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205004, 
which is available via Software Update or via delta 
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1833 (from 10.10.4, 1.02 GG) or combo 
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832 (from any version of 10.10, file size 
2.12 GB) updaters

Note:  Ronni (as I’m sure you know), always installs the Combo Update and 
recommend you do.
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832?locale=en_US 
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1832?locale=en_US


Installation of OS X 10.10.5 Combo Update on: 
My MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011) 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7/16GB 1333 MHz DDR3/ 
Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB
Only took 10mins to complete installation… Below is the steps I took to install 
the Combo 10.10.5 Update.

1. Repair Disk Permissions
2. Do Backups - Time Machine and CCC Bootable backup (check bootable backup - 
check TM backup)
3. Install osxupdate10.10.5 Combo
A) Preparing Update  
B) Restart 
C) Installing Software Update
D) Restart into OS X 10.10.5 - (Fans raced for a few seconds after restarting 
into 10.10.5)
Total installation took 8-10mins.
4. Repair Permissions (only took 1 min.)
5. Ran Software Update (App Store to check for any updates) installed 'Update 
iTunes 12.2.2' (114MB)

NO Problems with the installation and I haven't noticed any problems after 
booting into OS X 10.10.5


Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X Yosemite 10.10.5


















 
 


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Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

I am very sorry to have disappointed you with my response.  Certainly I had no 
intention of ignoring all the other items in your answer.   You provided 
references to many days of reading which I have barely begun.

As WAMUG is a public (read) forum I feel I need to explain.  Your several 
responses over recent days raised tantalising hints that skirted around my 
original problem.  I responded immediately to just the Flash Player item in 
your last email because it really rocked me.  Apple disable it if they suspect 
a potential security problem so I felt secure.  Your general advice over the 
years was that this application is now not at the heart of malware infection 
and can be used with proper precautions.  Then your specific statement linking 
Flash Player and malware!  Other tantalising hints were raised in your original 
reply but I had not done further research into the implications of that.  I 
will raise this later.

One fault on my part was failure to assimilate your earlier comments and 
“tantalising hints”.  By taking blind action the security breach symptoms may 
have been removed, but not understood.  And would have left me with continuing 
doubts about the overall security of my network.  Perhaps I have now found the 
cause.

The basic problem on my part was one of communication.  My initial email was 
too long and the real issue was lost.  When requesting help from WAMUG I wanted 
to explain what actions I had taken to analyse the situation.  My diagnosis 
pointed to a security breach in Yosemite or Google, hence my three questions. 
I felt you responded to general security items and malware and did not deviate 
from that line, hence I felt that my original problem was not being addressed.

The original course of events is re-stated here:  I very recently installed 
Google Hangouts.  Soon after that I upgraded to OSX Yosemite.  Google then 
advised that attempts had been made to login to my account but the attempts 
were blocked.   Google security at this point seemed to be working perfectly.  
My thoughts were to find the cause and to stop the “unauthorised” login 
attempts.  There was nothing from Google to identify the target area of the 
break-in.  Was it directed to Hangouts, YouTube or Gmail?  I found that all 
attempts were made when the computer was in DarkWake mode during the iMac 
maintenance time window, or when I had just logged in.  In retrospect, my 
“help” request should have just asked what I could do as Google advised it had 
blocked account access from an unidentified device - and let you or other 
wamuggers initiate the analysis. 

I do not use the popular “social media” apps so Hangouts was a new experience.  
I recall your warnings of a few years ago with Google invasion of privacy 
through targeted search engine use etc, and the recommendation to update Google 
privacy and history.  I installed Hangouts because of an immediate need and 
potential for further use with closed group meetings of around 10 people.  The 
unforseen consequences of signing up to Hangouts alarmed me: Google swamped me 
with invitations and suggestions to expand my “circle” with hundreds(?) of 
proposed contacts of people that I might be interested in - and these were 
mostly contacts of people “in my circle.  I felt this threatened my personal 
privacy.  Then the Google security alert!  Panic: had I opened my computer to 
the world of hackers, scammers and phishers?

Now back to your other tantalising hint in your original reply.
 2. Does Yosemite initiate a logon process to gmail (or Hangouts) when a 
 Mac wakes up?
 
 I guess it depends on your Login and Settings at Google.

I have a dormant Gmail account.  Yesterday I created a new mail account in the 
iMac with this identity.  Then overnight I got another Google warning alert 
that a login attempt had been blocked.  What, another email password hacked 
within hours of creation?  The iMac Console log provided a clue.  While I am 
trying not to jump to conclusions - I haven’t researched the evidence - the 
Console log entry “Mail: No worthy mechs found” at the precise time noted by 
Google seem to point to a standard Yosemite task (presumably one that checks 
for new mail) as the culprit.  Google has done its security check and told me 
about the blocked login attempt.  With this extra knowledge I can now go to my 
Google account and tick the appropriate security boxes.  I guess one of those 
boxes will be to allow access to “less secure apps”, which from Google’s point 
of view may well be the Yosemite mail check process.  Another of your original 
tantalising hints, which I did raise later without resolution.

I am very conscious of privacy and security and follow all (well, nearly all) 
of the approved processes.  But I possibly go too far and react too quickly to 
security alerts.

Again, I am sorry to have caused you distress.  Your dedication, knowledge and 
patience with WAMUG members is much admired by me.  Your help

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

   Have you recently tried to download  install  'Flash Player' or ?

Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?  I have used Flash Player 
irregularly for several years for viewing YouTube movies.  I understood the app 
was approved by Apple and that access is blocked if there is a security risk.  
Adobe will then release a software update.

I also have AIR by Adobe installed for the W.A. Libraries 'Zinio Reader' app.

Cheers
Alan


 On 4 Jun 2015, at 1:30 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 I thought I had explained how Yosemite handles Malware / Security  Privacy 
 in my first reply.
 
 Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
 Security Updates immediately they are available.
 Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
 protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the 
 internet.”
 Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are in 
 OS X Yosemite.
 
 Did you read the link that I included?... 
 http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/ 
 http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/
 
 Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS X malware 
 as it is discovered. 
 But... Apple can't help if you don't let it help you!
 
 Comments in Situ
 
 On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:22 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au 
 mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
 fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for it 
 until smoke appears?
 
 I repeat - Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove 
 OS X malware as it is discovered. 
 
 Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download  
 install  'Flash Player' or ?
 Malware doesn't attempt to get into your machine without your knowledge - it 
 is malicious software disguised as legitimate software. 
 It tricks you into installing it as you would any other program, and then 
 when it is installed it starts to gather information about you. 
 In most instances it wants to get hold of your credit card or banking details 
 and passes them on to nefarious individuals on the other end.
 
 Where things get tricky is that most Mac malware pretends to be the very 
 thing you want to use to get rid of it. Most Mac malware seems to masquerade 
 as anti-virus or anti-malware software. While there is no definitive list of 
 OS X malware, here are some names to watch out for:
 • MacKeeper
   • MacDefender
   • MacProtector
   • MacSecurity
 
 So, to be clear: these are names of programs you should be avoiding.
 
 If you feel you might have downloaded Malware go here  download AdwareMedic 
 2.2.3  http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php 
 http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php
 I recommend AdwareMedic http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php as it takes 
 care of all currently known adware and is self-updating within a day of 
 anything new being discovered.
 AdwareMedic is safe, secure and very fast to clean your Mac. It's free and of 
 course have the option to Donate. 
 http://www.adwaremedic.com/versionhistory.php 
 http://www.adwaremedic.com/versionhistory.php
 
 
 I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
 security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
 pleasing… (?)
 
 If you take notice of their advice and security! 
 
 I still have security concerns.  I will rephrase the problem and my 
 perceptions of Google’s involvement.
 
 A few months ago with OSX Mavericks 10.9.5 I took part in a Google Hangouts 
 meeting.  I wanted to isolate Hangouts from Safari so I downloaded Chrome 
 which has Hangouts video and voice facilities built-in.  I thought the 
 Chrome browser and Google conditions of use were too invasive: I deleted it 
 completely.  I then downloaded Firefox and installed the Google Hangouts 
 plug-ins.  All went well as far as I could tell.  I then upgraded to OSX 
 Yosemite 10.10.3. 
 
 Google then advised they blocked a login attempt to my account so I changed 
 the password.  Google sent a second advice a few days later about a similar 
 attempt.  This time I determined that the attempt came from my own URL 
 address.  (Didn’t check that for the first try.)  You said:
 Follow the link and simply enable Access for less secure apps. 
 
 That sounds counter-intuitive.  I don’t want less secure apps to 
 automatically access my account!  Or do I?
 
 Apple Mail client is not less secure, but you sound determined to use Google 
 and participate in Google Hangouts regardless of not having upgraded your 
 Google Accounts security.
 Your Gmail is still secure with SSL in Apple Mail.
 
 Yosemite Console log shows several entries each day about “Google Software 
 Update Daemon”.  I don’t want Google to update anything without my approval! 
  I usually have “auto update” options turned

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

I've found it difficult this week with work commitments to make time to respond 
to WAMUG... But I have put in time  effort to help and I'm disappointed that 
your only response is this one comment below.

 Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download  
 install  'Flash Player' or ?


 Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?

Not necessarily as long as it is updated to the latest version from Adobe, not 
from some website telling you to.

I only mentioned Flash Player as here in the real world widespread adoption of 
Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader, and Oracle's Java makes all three irresistible 
targets for hackers and malware peddlers. The attacks reached a fever pitch in 
the early months of 2013, with a flood of reports about Flash, Reader, and Java 
exploits. 
Apple stopped providing its own Java browser plug-in in October, 2012 and a 
subsequent software update deleted it. Oracle has assumed responsibility for 
the Java applet plug-in since then.
All three (if you need to use them) need to be kept updated.

You haven't mentioned whether you have read and understood the security  
privacy  Malware information or downloaded and run AdwareMedic to test.
Or if you are going to update your software and security  privacy settings.

You indicated you were concerned about security and protecting your privacy ( 
you should be), but you seem to be ignoring advise from Apple, Google  myself 
and not prepared to do anything about it.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:33 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
   Have you recently tried to download  install  'Flash Player' or ?
 
 Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?  I have used Flash Player 
 irregularly for several years for viewing YouTube movies.  I understood the 
 app was approved by Apple and that access is blocked if there is a security 
 risk.  Adobe will then release a software update.
 
 I also have AIR by Adobe installed for the W.A. Libraries 'Zinio Reader' app.
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 
 On 4 Jun 2015, at 1:30 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 I thought I had explained how Yosemite handles Malware / Security  Privacy 
 in my first reply.
 
 Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
 Security Updates immediately they are available.
 Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
 protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the 
 internet.”
 Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are 
 in OS X Yosemite.
 
 Did you read the link that I included?... 
 http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/
 
 Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS X 
 malware as it is discovered. 
 But... Apple can't help if you don't let it help you!
 
 Comments in Situ
 
 On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:22 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
 fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for 
 it until smoke appears?
 
 I repeat - Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove 
 OS X malware as it is discovered. 
 
 Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download  
 install  'Flash Player' or ?
 Malware doesn't attempt to get into your machine without your knowledge - it 
 is malicious software disguised as legitimate software. 
 It tricks you into installing it as you would any other program, and then 
 when it is installed it starts to gather information about you. 
 In most instances it wants to get hold of your credit card or banking 
 details and passes them on to nefarious individuals on the other end.
 
 Where things get tricky is that most Mac malware pretends to be the very 
 thing you want to use to get rid of it. Most Mac malware seems to masquerade 
 as anti-virus or anti-malware software. While there is no definitive list of 
 OS X malware, here are some names to watch out for:
 • MacKeeper
  • MacDefender
  • MacProtector
  • MacSecurity
 
 So, to be clear: these are names of programs you should be avoiding.
 
 If you feel you might have downloaded Malware go here  download AdwareMedic 
 2.2.3  http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php
 I recommend AdwareMedic as it takes care of all currently known adware and 
 is self-updating within a day of anything new being discovered.
 AdwareMedic is safe, secure and very fast to clean your Mac. It's free and 
 of course have the option to Donate. 
 http://www.adwaremedic.com/versionhistory.php
 
 
 I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
 security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
 pleasing… (?)
 
 If you take notice of their advice and security! 
 
 I still have security concerns.  I will rephrase the problem and my

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Alan,

I thought I had explained how Yosemite handles Malware / Security  Privacy in 
my first reply.

Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
Security Updates immediately they are available.
Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the internet.”
Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are in 
OS X Yosemite.

Did you read the link that I included?... 
http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/

Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS X malware 
as it is discovered. 
But... Apple can't help if you don't let it help you!

Comments in Situ

 On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:22 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
 fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for it 
 until smoke appears?

I repeat - Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS 
X malware as it is discovered. 

Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download  
install  'Flash Player' or ?
Malware doesn't attempt to get into your machine without your knowledge - it is 
malicious software disguised as legitimate software. 
It tricks you into installing it as you would any other program, and then when 
it is installed it starts to gather information about you. 
In most instances it wants to get hold of your credit card or banking details 
and passes them on to nefarious individuals on the other end.

Where things get tricky is that most Mac malware pretends to be the very thing 
you want to use to get rid of it. Most Mac malware seems to masquerade as 
anti-virus or anti-malware software. While there is no definitive list of OS X 
malware, here are some names to watch out for:
• MacKeeper
• MacDefender
• MacProtector
• MacSecurity

So, to be clear: these are names of programs you should be avoiding.

If you feel you might have downloaded Malware go here  download AdwareMedic 
2.2.3  http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php
I recommend AdwareMedic http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php as it takes care 
of all currently known adware and is self-updating within a day of anything new 
being discovered.
AdwareMedic is safe, secure and very fast to clean your Mac. It's free and of 
course have the option to Donate. 
http://www.adwaremedic.com/versionhistory.php 
http://www.adwaremedic.com/versionhistory.php

 
 I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
 security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
 pleasing… (?)

If you take notice of their advice and security! 
 
 I still have security concerns.  I will rephrase the problem and my 
 perceptions of Google’s involvement.
 
 A few months ago with OSX Mavericks 10.9.5 I took part in a Google Hangouts 
 meeting.  I wanted to isolate Hangouts from Safari so I downloaded Chrome 
 which has Hangouts video and voice facilities built-in.  I thought the Chrome 
 browser and Google conditions of use were too invasive: I deleted it 
 completely.  I then downloaded Firefox and installed the Google Hangouts 
 plug-ins.  All went well as far as I could tell.  I then upgraded to OSX 
 Yosemite 10.10.3. 
 
 Google then advised they blocked a login attempt to my account so I changed 
 the password.  Google sent a second advice a few days later about a similar 
 attempt.  This time I determined that the attempt came from my own URL 
 address.  (Didn’t check that for the first try.)  You said:
 Follow the link and simply enable Access for less secure apps. 
 
 That sounds counter-intuitive.  I don’t want less secure apps to 
 automatically access my account!  Or do I?

Apple Mail client is not less secure, but you sound determined to use Google 
and participate in Google Hangouts regardless of not having upgraded your 
Google Accounts security.
Your Gmail is still secure with SSL in Apple Mail.
 
 Yosemite Console log shows several entries each day about “Google Software 
 Update Daemon”.  I don’t want Google to update anything without my approval!  
 I usually have “auto update” options turned off, no matter who offers it.   I 
 logged out of all of my Google accounts and tried to turn off the plug-ins 
 and cancel auto-updates in preferences.   Then I found that the Hangouts 
 plug-ins were installed in Safari as well as Firefox.  Obviously a sysem-wide 
 installation, not just for Firefox as I had thought.  

Google Software Update is a background application for the Mac OS that helps 
ensure that you always have the most up-to-date, stable, and secure versions of 
the Google software you have installed. Google Software Update may run two 
services: GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent and GoogleSoftwareUpdateDaemon. 
These services allow Google applications to be safely

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Alan,

 On 1 Jun 2015, at 9:51 am, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Three questions re security:
 1. Is there a user test for malware that may be present on my iMac?

Apple states, security was “the first thought. Not an afterthought.” Which is 
very pleasing...
Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
Security Updates immediately they are available.
Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the internet.”
Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are in 
OS X Yosemite.
Use Common sense - don't click on links in emails - keep away from suspect 
websites...

http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/

 2. Does Yosemite initiate a logon process to gmail (or Hangouts) when a Mac 
 wakes up?

I guess it depends on your Login and Settings at Google.

 3. Is Google forcing customers to move from password access to their own 
 cloud verification system?

http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/privacy-security-tools-improvements.html

 
 On 24 May I upgraded my Late 2012 iMac to Yosemite.
 
 On 25 May Google advised “We recently blocked a sign-in attempt to your 
 Google Account … at 1:23 AM from Perth Australia. Whoever tried to sign in to 
 your account knows your password …   I was asleep at the time - but the iMac 
 was doing its 2-hourly test sequence(?) around this time.   Google website 
 details showed my 2 iMacs as recognised users, with an unauthorised login 
 from a third “unidentified device”.  I changed the password. 
 
 Today, 1 June, Google sent me another email advising  “We recently blocked a 
 sign-in attempt to your Google Account … at 8:34 AM from Perth Australia. 
 Whoever tried to sign in to your account knows your password …”.  Google 
 website account details advised logon attempt  came from a “less secure app”. 
   I had just woken my iMac from sleep around this time.  I did not change the 
 password or take up Google’s offer for two-step validation.

Follow the link and simply enable Access for less secure apps. Sounds like 
Google is using fear tactics to get people to use their Gmail client. 
Your Gmail is still secure with SSL in Apple Mail.

Cheers,
Ronni
 
 There are a large number of Console log messages.  Some look alarming, but as 
 the Apple Services and log vocabulary is completely different to Mavericks, 
 it probably means there is no problem - just working harder.   I note log 
 messages include frequent multiple entries from Google Software Update 
 Daemon, iTunes, coreaudio Airplay and Mail.
 
 Regards, 
 Alan
 
 Alan Smith
  Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.10.3 
 Yosemite
  Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.10.3 Yosemite
  iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2
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Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for it 
until smoke appears?

I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
pleasing… (?)

I still have security concerns.  I will rephrase the problem and my perceptions 
of Google’s involvement.

A few months ago with OSX Mavericks 10.9.5 I took part in a Google Hangouts 
meeting.  I wanted to isolate Hangouts from Safari so I downloaded Chrome which 
has Hangouts video and voice facilities built-in.  I thought the Chrome browser 
and Google conditions of use were too invasive: I deleted it completely.  I 
then downloaded Firefox and installed the Google Hangouts plug-ins.  All went 
well as far as I could tell.  I then upgraded to OSX Yosemite 10.10.3. 

Google then advised they blocked a login attempt to my account so I changed the 
password.  Google sent a second advice a few days later about a similar 
attempt.  This time I determined that the attempt came from my own URL address. 
 (Didn’t check that for the first try.)  You said:
 Follow the link and simply enable Access for less secure apps. 

That sounds counter-intuitive.  I don’t want less secure apps to automatically 
access my account!  Or do I?

Yosemite Console log shows several entries each day about “Google Software 
Update Daemon”.  I don’t want Google to update anything without my approval!  I 
usually have “auto update” options turned off, no matter who offers it.   I 
logged out of all of my Google accounts and tried to turn off the plug-ins and 
cancel auto-updates in preferences.   Then I found that the Hangouts plug-ins 
were installed in Safari as well as Firefox.  Obviously a sysem-wide 
installation, not just for Firefox as I had thought.  

I don’t want to succumb to total paranoia about Google - other people no doubt 
use their apps without problems.  It seems that “something” is/was logging in 
to my Google account.  Can I find out what it is?

Cheers
Alan

 On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:58 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 9:51 am, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au 
 mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Three questions re security:
 1. Is there a user test for malware that may be present on my iMac?
 
 Apple states, security was “the first thought. Not an afterthought.” Which is 
 very pleasing...
 Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
 Security Updates immediately they are available.
 Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
 protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the 
 internet.”
 Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are in 
 OS X Yosemite.
 Use Common sense - don't click on links in emails - keep away from suspect 
 websites...
 
 http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/ 
 http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/security/
 
 2. Does Yosemite initiate a logon process to gmail (or Hangouts) when a Mac 
 wakes up?
 
 I guess it depends on your Login and Settings at Google.
 
 3. Is Google forcing customers to move from password access to their own 
 cloud verification system?
 
 http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/privacy-security-tools-improvements.html
  
 http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/privacy-security-tools-improvements.html
 
 
 On 24 May I upgraded my Late 2012 iMac to Yosemite.
 
 On 25 May Google advised “We recently blocked a sign-in attempt to your 
 Google Account … at 1:23 AM from Perth Australia. Whoever tried to sign in 
 to your account knows your password …   I was asleep at the time - but the 
 iMac was doing its 2-hourly test sequence(?) around this time.   Google 
 website details showed my 2 iMacs as recognised users, with an unauthorised 
 login from a third “unidentified device”.  I changed the password. 
 
 Today, 1 June, Google sent me another email advising  “We recently blocked a 
 sign-in attempt to your Google Account … at 8:34 AM from Perth Australia. 
 Whoever tried to sign in to your account knows your password …”.  Google 
 website account details advised logon attempt  came from a “less secure 
 app”.   I had just woken my iMac from sleep around this time.  I did not 
 change the password or take up Google’s offer for two-step validation.
 
 Follow the link and simply enable Access for less secure apps. Sounds like 
 Google is using fear tactics to get people to use their Gmail client. 
 Your Gmail is still secure with SSL in Apple Mail.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 There are a large number of Console log messages.  Some look alarming, but 
 as the Apple Services and log vocabulary is completely different to 
 Mavericks, it probably means there is no problem - just working harder.   I 
 note log messages include frequent multiple entries from Google Software 
 Update Daemon

Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Three questions re security:
1. Is there a user test for malware that may be present on my iMac?
2. Does Yosemite initiate a logon process to gmail (or Hangouts) when a Mac 
wakes up?
3. Is Google forcing customers to move from password access to their own cloud 
verification system?

On 24 May I upgraded my Late 2012 iMac to Yosemite.

On 25 May Google advised “We recently blocked a sign-in attempt to your Google 
Account … at 1:23 AM from Perth Australia. Whoever tried to sign in to your 
account knows your password …   I was asleep at the time - but the iMac was 
doing its 2-hourly test sequence(?) around this time.   Google website details 
showed my 2 iMacs as recognised users, with an unauthorised login from a third 
“unidentified device”.  I changed the password. 

Today, 1 June, Google sent me another email advising  “We recently blocked a 
sign-in attempt to your Google Account … at 8:34 AM from Perth Australia. 
Whoever tried to sign in to your account knows your password …”.  Google 
website account details advised logon attempt  came from a “less secure app”.   
I had just woken my iMac from sleep around this time.  I did not change the 
password or take up Google’s offer for two-step validation.

There are a large number of Console log messages.  Some look alarming, but as 
the Apple Services and log vocabulary is completely different to Mavericks, it 
probably means there is no problem - just working harder.   I note log messages 
include frequent multiple entries from Google Software Update Daemon, iTunes, 
coreaudio Airplay and Mail.

Regards, 
Alan

Alan Smith
  Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.10.3 
Yosemite
  Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.10.3 Yosemite
  iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2










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Security Update 2015-004 (Mountain Lion, Mavericks)

[Ronda Brown]

Apple has issued Security Update 2015-004 for OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and 10.9 
Mavericks, mirroring many of the security fixes that are included with the 
concurrently released 10.10.3 Yosemite (see “Apple Releases OS X 10.10.3 with 
Photos,” 8 April 2015). 

The wide-ranging security update patches multiple vulnerabilities in Apache, a 
use-after-free issue in CoreAnimation, multiple memory corruption issues in the 
processing of font files, a memory corruption issue that existed in the 
handling of .sgi files, several issues related to IOHIDFamily, and multiple 
vulnerabilities in OpenSSL. 

Security Update 2015-004 is available via Software Update or via direct 
download from Apple’s Support Downloads Web site. (Free. For 10.8.5 Mountain 
Lion, 176 MB; for 10.9.5 Mavericks, 112 MB)

Cheers,
Ronni 

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

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Security Update

[Jennifer Lefroy]

 A flag has appeared on the screen of our desktop OS X 10.5 saying that a
security update has been installed.  We are just the passive recipient
having received no prior notification and given no authorisation.  Is this
all right? It seems strange to me.

And I thought I had sent my last query for the year earlier :-)
Jennifer
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Security Update

[Brian Risbey]

Hi All,
there is an OS X NTP Security Update.
found out via MacRumors.com http://macrumors.com/
Apple today released a new security update that’s designed to address a 
critical security issue with the Network Time Protocol service on OS X. Apple 
recommends that all Yosemite, Mavericks, and Mountain Lion users install the 
update as soon as possible.””



Brian






On 23 Dec 2014, at 6:51 pm, Jennifer Lefroy lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com 
mailto:lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com wrote:

 A flag has appeared on the screen of our desktop OS X 10.5 saying that a 
security update has been installed.  We are just the passive recipient having 
received no prior notification and given no authorisation.  Is this all right? 
It seems strange to me.

And I thought I had sent my last query for the year earlier :-)
Jennifer
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Re: Security Update

[Stephen Chape]

Yep … mine was done automatically !


 On 23 Dec 2014, at 9:33 pm, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 there is an OS X NTP Security Update.
 found out via MacRumors.com http://macrumors.com/
 Apple today released a new security update that’s designed to address a 
 critical security issue with the Network Time Protocol service on OS X. 
 Apple recommends that all Yosemite, Mavericks, and Mountain Lion users 
 install the update as soon as possible.””
 
 
 
 Brian
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 23 Dec 2014, at 6:51 pm, Jennifer Lefroy lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  A flag has appeared on the screen of our desktop OS X 10.5 saying that a 
 security update has been installed.  We are just the passive recipient having 
 received no prior notification and given no authorisation.  Is this all 
 right? It seems strange to me.
 
 And I thought I had sent my last query for the year earlier :-)
 Jennifer
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Re: Possible security breach

[David Nicholas]

Thanks Neil

I found Ronni’s similar suggestion first, and it worked.

David


On 21 May 2014, at 11:49 am, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:

 Hi David,
 
 Not sure what system you are running but for me, on OSX 10.6.8, it is all 
 under system preferences/security
 
 To require a password at boot-up (actually for any account log-in) just make 
 sure you tick “disable automatic login”
 
 To go further (which I do) you can require a password to get back-in after 
 you have stepped away for a while (but are still logged in) by ticking the 
 “require password xx minutes after sleep or screen saver begins”  you can set 
 the time xx anywhere from immediately to 4 hours – but, of course, the actual 
 time to lock-up depends on the times you have set for sleep and/or 
 screensaver. I have mine set for 5 minutes after sleep/screensaver which 
 means if I am still working in the office (but not pounding the keyboard) and 
 notice the screensaver kick-in, then I have a few minutes to “wake-up” the 
 computer before being locked-out – I mean it’s not a big deal anyway but it’s 
 what I find convenient for me ;o)
 
 
 HTH
 
 
 
 Neil
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 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com
 
 
 
 
 
 on 21/5/14 11:24, Julie Bedford at jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 You may be already aware, but I think it is Applications / Utilities / Key 
 Chain Access.  Not sure if
 that is where you need to go though, may be best to wait for our gurus to 
 enlighten us !
 
 Jewels
 On 21/05/2014, at 10:32 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels
 
 That was a good suggestion.
 
 I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my 
 Password!!
 
 I’ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed 
 Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the 
 Password is bypassed.
 
 How can it be switched off or on?  
 Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?
 
 David
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 Update your credit card http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for 
 your iiNet service every month.
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 Make a One Time Payment http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 Make a One Time Payment.View your customer agreement 
 http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
  
  
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  
 It didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to 
 do with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had 
 to reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[Laura Webb]

I also received a similar message today. Deleted immediately.

Laura

Sent from my iPad


 On 21 May 2014, at 9:30 am, Kevin Lock kal...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I had two messages the same yesterday.
 
 Kev
 
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:19 am, David Nicholas david...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[Ronda Brown]

Hi David,

I've changed the Subject in your previous reply to the correct Subject.

Yes, it's a scam/phishing email.
You can report such scam emails by forwarding a copy to ab...@iinet.net.au.
Instructions can be found here:

https://iihelp.iinet.net.au/support/Reporting_Phishing_Emails

If you did not click on any links or give any information on the website that 
the link in the email took you to. They already have your email address, but if 
you changed the password of your computer immediately, and have your Network 
secured WPA2,  I don't think they would have anything more than your IP address 
and email address.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 21 May 2014, at 2:35 pm, David Nicholas david...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni
 
 That gave me back my password protected login.
 
 Should I do anything more, having carelessly opened a dodgy looking mail?
 
 David
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Re: Possible security breach

[David Nicholas]

Thanks Ronni

David

On 21 May 2014, at 3:59 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi David,
 
 I've changed the Subject in your previous reply to the correct Subject.
 
 Yes, it's a scam/phishing email.
 You can report such scam emails by forwarding a copy to ab...@iinet.net.au.
 Instructions can be found here:
 
 https://iihelp.iinet.net.au/support/Reporting_Phishing_Emails
 
 If you did not click on any links or give any information on the website that 
 the link in the email took you to. They already have your email address, but 
 if you changed the password of your computer immediately, and have your 
 Network secured WPA2,  I don't think they would have anything more than your 
 IP address and email address.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 2:35 pm, David Nicholas david...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni
 
 That gave me back my password protected login.
 
 Should I do anything more, having carelessly opened a dodgy looking mail?
 
 David
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Possible security breach

[David Nicholas]

I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.

I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.

Welcome to iiNet,

There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update your 
contact and billing information. 

Failure to update will avert to service suspension.

UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD

Update your credit card
Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
iiNet service every month.

MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT

Make a One Time Payment
Make a One Time Payment.

View your customer agreement
View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.


 
 
 






















I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t look 
closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It didn’t 
load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do with iinet.

I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.

Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?

David Nicholas

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Re: Possible security breach

[Julie Bedford]

David,
I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
pertinent to change
passwords etc.  Good luck

Jewels

On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:

 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update your 
 contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[Kevin Lock]

I had two messages the same yesterday.

Kev


On 21 May 2014, at 9:19 am, David Nicholas david...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update your 
 contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[David Nicholas]

Hi Jewels

That was a good suggestion.

I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my 
Password!!

I’ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed 
Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the Password 
is bypassed.

How can it be switched off or on?  
Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?

David

On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[Julie Bedford]

Hi David,
You may be already aware, but I think it is Applications / Utilities / Key 
Chain Access.  Not sure if
that is where you need to go though, may be best to wait for our gurus to 
enlighten us !

Jewels
On 21/05/2014, at 10:32 AM, David Nicholas wrote:

 Hi Jewels
 
 That was a good suggestion.
 
 I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my 
 Password!!
 
 I’ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed 
 Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the 
 Password is bypassed.
 
 How can it be switched off or on?  
 Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?
 
 David
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your 
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to 
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[David Nicholas]

Thanks Jewels.

It’s not Keychain that is the bother.

It is the boot access when I start the machine.  It doesn’t require any kind of 
password to open up and get into the operating system.  This worries me.

I have changed by bank and credit card passwords over the phone, not using my 
computer.  They should be OK if there was a problem.

But the problem remains.  How is it that I can boot in without any password?

David

On 21 May 2014, at 11:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi David,
 You may be already aware, but I think it is Applications / Utilities / Key 
 Chain Access.  Not sure if
 that is where you need to go though, may be best to wait for our gurus to 
 enlighten us !
 
 Jewels
 On 21/05/2014, at 10:32 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels
 
 That was a good suggestion.
 
 I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my 
 Password!!
 
 I’ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed 
 Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the 
 Password is bypassed.
 
 How can it be switched off or on?  
 Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?
 
 David
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 
 Update your credit card
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for 
 your iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 
 Make a One Time Payment
 Make a One Time Payment.
 
 View your customer agreement
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It 
 didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do 
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had 
 to reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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Re: Possible security breach

[Neil Houghton]

Hi David,

Not sure what system you are running but for me, on OSX 10.6.8, it is all
under system preferences/security

To require a password at boot-up (actually for any account log-in) just make
sure you tick ³disable automatic login²

To go further (which I do) you can require a password to get back-in after
you have stepped away for a while (but are still logged in) by ticking the
³require password xx minutes after sleep or screen saver begins²  you can
set the time xx anywhere from immediately to 4 hours ­ but, of course, the
actual time to lock-up depends on the times you have set for sleep and/or
screensaver. I have mine set for 5 minutes after sleep/screensaver which
means if I am still working in the office (but not pounding the keyboard)
and notice the screensaver kick-in, then I have a few minutes to ³wake-up²
the computer before being locked-out ­ I mean it¹s not a big deal anyway but
it¹s what I find convenient for me ;o)


HTH



Neil
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Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com





on 21/5/14 11:24, Julie Bedford at jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi David,
 You may be already aware, but I think it is Applications / Utilities / Key
 Chain Access.  Not sure if
 that is where you need to go though, may be best to wait for our gurus to
 enlighten us !
 
 Jewels
 On 21/05/2014, at 10:32 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels
 
 That was a good suggestion.
 
 I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my
 Password!!
 
 I¹ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed
 Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the
 Password is bypassed.
 
 How can it be switched off or on?
 Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?
 
 David
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I¹m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update
 your contact and billing information.
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 Update your credit card http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for your
 iiNet service every month.
 
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 Make a One Time Payment http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill
 Make a One Time Payment.View your customer agreement
 http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
  
  
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn¹t
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  It
 didn¹t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to do
 with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had to
 reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
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 2 GHz Intel Core i7
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Re: Possible security breach

[Ronni Brown]

Hi David,

Using Mountain Lion or Mavericks - System Preferences  Security  Privacy - 
General 
You will see 'A login password has been set for this user'
Then Select: -Require password 'immediately' after sleep or screen saver begins
 Show a message when the screen is locked 
 Disable Automatic login

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 21 May 2014, at 11:49 am, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:

 Hi David,
 
 Not sure what system you are running but for me, on OSX 10.6.8, it is all 
 under system preferences/security
 
 To require a password at boot-up (actually for any account log-in) just make 
 sure you tick “disable automatic login”
 
 To go further (which I do) you can require a password to get back-in after 
 you have stepped away for a while (but are still logged in) by ticking the 
 “require password xx minutes after sleep or screen saver begins”  you can set 
 the time xx anywhere from immediately to 4 hours – but, of course, the actual 
 time to lock-up depends on the times you have set for sleep and/or 
 screensaver. I have mine set for 5 minutes after sleep/screensaver which 
 means if I am still working in the office (but not pounding the keyboard) and 
 notice the screensaver kick-in, then I have a few minutes to “wake-up” the 
 computer before being locked-out – I mean it’s not a big deal anyway but it’s 
 what I find convenient for me ;o)
 
 
 HTH
 
 
 
 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com
 
 
 
 
 
 on 21/5/14 11:24, Julie Bedford at jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 You may be already aware, but I think it is Applications / Utilities / Key 
 Chain Access.  Not sure if
 that is where you need to go though, may be best to wait for our gurus to 
 enlighten us !
 
 Jewels
 On 21/05/2014, at 10:32 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels
 
 That was a good suggestion.
 
 I changed my Password, rebooted and found I got into my machine without my 
 Password!!
 
 I’ve since checked that for example on Keychain I need to enter my changed 
 Password to access items.  So, it seems to be only on a Boot that the 
 Password is bypassed.
 
 How can it be switched off or on?  
 Does anybody know where the requirement for the Password is located?
 
 David
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 9:24 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 David,
 I received the same last night and immediately notified iinet.   It may be 
 pertinent to change
 passwords etc.  Good luck
 
 Jewels
 
 On 21/05/2014, at 9:19 AM, David Nicholas wrote:
 
 I’m worried I might have let a rogue into my system.
 
 I received the following email purporting to be from iinet.
 
 Welcome to iiNet,
 There was an issue with your last subscription Due to system upgrade and 
 webmail upgrade to Zimbra. Please use any of the below methods to update 
 your contact and billing information. 
 
 Failure to update will avert to service suspension.
 UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT METHOD
 Update your credit card http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 Click this link to update or change the credit card you use to pay for 
 your iiNet service every month.
 MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT
 Make a One Time Payment http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 Make a One Time Payment.View your customer agreement 
 http://jobscar-entry.com/css/iinet-bill 
 View or print a copy of your iiNet customer agreement.
  
  
 
 
 
 I was incautious because very recently I had upgraded to Naked.  I didn’t 
 look closely at the sender until just after I had clicked on the link.  
 It didn’t load straight away so then I did look and saw it had nothing to 
 do with iinet.
 
 I closed my machine, but of course to send this request for advice I had 
 to reboot it, which means I had to use my system password.
 
 Is there anything I can do to check the security of my stuff?
 
 David Nicholas
 
 iMac OS X  10.8.4
 2 GHz Intel Core i7
 8GB 1600 MHz DDR3
 Using Mail

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Apple Releases Safari 7.0.3 for Mavericks With Push Notification Improvements, Security Fixes

[Ronni Brown]

Apple Releases Safari 7.0.3 for Mavericks With Push Notification Improvements, 
Security Fixes

Apple today updated update Safari for Mavericks to version 7.0.3, adding 
improvements to compatibility, stability, and security. The update includes a 
new option for turning off push notification prompts for websites, improves 
credit card autofill, adds support for webpages with generic top-level domains, 
and fixes several security issues.

- Fixes an issue that could cause the search and address field to load a 
webpage or send a search term before the return key is pressed 
- Improves credit card autofill with websites 
- Fixes an issue that could block receipt of push notifications from websites 
- Adds a preference to turn off push notification prompts from websites 
- Adds support for webpages with generic top-level domains 
- Strengthens Safari sandboxing 
- Fixes security issues, including several identified in recent security 
competitions 

The update is a free download for Mavericks users and is available through the 
software update tool in the Mac App Store. 

Apple has also released a new version of Safari 6.1.3 for Mountain Lion users.

Cheers,
Ronni

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2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Julie Bedford]

Hi Ronni

Your friendly advice is well accepted and appreciated.
Have removed MacFuse and installed OSXFuse as directed.  I do have the most up 
to date
version of Disc Drill, but oddly it didn't install OSXFuse at the time of 
installing.

I hope you managed to take a break yesterday, seems like you are always there 
on call
for everyone.  

Thanks again
Jewels

On 03/03/2014, at 1:18 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:

 Hi Jewels,
 
 A bit of friendly advice.
 Before installing any ‘Third-Party’ (non-Apple) Software make sure you:
 Know what the software does
 Know how to Install, Setup, and Use the software
 Know how to uninstall the software 
 
 Disk Drill Pro is file recovery software, it also offers a conventional drive 
 S.M.A.R.T monitoring toolset.
 
 First step to do is check: Do you have the latest version of Disk Drill Pro 
 installed?
 Perhaps you don't have the latest - as it should install OSXFUSE not MacFUSE.
 
 OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE, (which has been unmaintained since 2008 
 and is not compatible with OS X 10.7)
 It shares most of its source code with MacFUSE.
 OSXFUSE supports Mac OS X 10.5 and later (Intel and PowerPC architecture). It 
 is fully compatible with 64-bit kernels and OS X 10.7.
 OSXFUSE is open source and under active development.
 
 Second Step - You need to Uninstall MacFUSE before installing OSXFUSE
 
 A) How can I uninstall MacFUSE?
 Open System Preferences and go to the MacFUSE preference pane. Click on the 
 Remove MacFUSE button. 
 
 This will uninstall all MacFUSE components except the preference pane itself.
 
 B)To remove it from the Preference Pane,  you remove it just like how you 
 would remove any other non-Apple preference pane: 
 
 In System Preferences, control-click (right-click) on the MacFUSE icon and 
 you will see Remove ... as an action.
 
 
 C) Then download  Install  OSXFUSE
 
 Install FUSE for OS X
 
 The recommended way to install FUSE for OS X is to download the latest 
 OSXFUSE-{version}.dmg available from http://osxfuse.github.com/ and 
 double-clicking on Install OSXFUSE {version}.
 
 How can I keep FUSE for OS X up-to-date?
 
 The tools to keep FUSE for OS X up-to-date (query the installed version, 
 query for available updates, download and install updates, and so on) are 
 built into FUSE for OS X. Simply launch the System Preferences 
 application and go to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
 It should tell you if there is and update and if so, will also let you 
 download and install it.
 
 Extra information:
 Update Disk Drill Pro 2 
 http://help.cleverfiles.com/how-to-upgrade-from-disk-drill-1-8-to-2-0/
 
 Disk Drill PRO
 http://help.cleverfiles.com/how-to-install-disk-drill/
 Disk Drill PRO
 http://help.cleverfiles.com/category/tutorials/
 
 http://www.macnn.com/reviews/disk-drill-pro-file-recovery-software.html
 
 I'm going to take a break now from WAMUG for what is left of the long 
 week-end ;o)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9.2 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 3 Mar 2014, at 10:13 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 
 Good morning Ronni,
 
 When I started the computer this morning, this is what came up in a small 
 box:
 
 Internal module - updated required
 Your Mac has an older version of Fuse for OSX. Recover results may not be 
 mounted correctly.  Click to upgrade.
 
 I checked System Preference and I have MacFUSE  - should I uninstall then if 
 it is out of date and useless ?
 
 I dont appear to have OSXFUSE at least it doesn't show up in the System 
 Preferences.
 
 I think the following message originates from Disk Drill PRO program:
 Hardware issues detected
 Warning - seems to be having hardware issues and need your attention
 
 I purchased Disk Drill Pro recently - could that be more wasted money?  
 Should I uninstall this or
 has it any validity.  
 
 No urgency in replying - have Monday off !
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 
 
 On 03/03/2014, at 8:41 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 On 2 Mar 2014, at 8:54 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have 
 some hardware issues
 again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.
 
 
 Exactly what was the message... was it related to MacFUSE or OSXFUSE ?
 
 MacFUSE, has been unmaintained since 2008  not compatible with OS X 10.7
 OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE  is compatible with OS X 10.7
 
 Open System Preferences - go to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
 Click on 'Update OSXFUSE'  button 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Ronni,
I just uninstalled Virus Barrier, Net Barrier and Washing Machine.
Phew …. I feel better already.

On 28 Feb 2014, at 11:06 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni,
 
 Wow, your last email contained a lot of important information.  I'll keep it 
 safe for future reference and will not be purchasing any virus protection
 in future.  I guess I should upgrade from my OS 10.7 to 10.8 in order to gain 
 the extra protection too.  
 
 Thank you so much Ronni for your help.  I really appreciate the WAMUG site 
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 On 28/02/2014, at 9:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 I realise now I shouldn't have jumped in on another thread.  Sorry about 
 that.
 
 I hadn't tried to uninstall as My Intego bundle as I thought it was a 2014, 
 but upon checking it is a 2013 version.
 I have done as you instructed and my Mac confirmed it is all correctly 
 uninstalled now.  Thank heavens.
 I think next time I decide to buy a virus barrier, I'll consult you first.
 
 Many thanks Ronni and my Safari now opens without a problem.
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 On 28/02/2014, at 4:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at 
 some time.
 
 Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
 instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 If so, is Safari working properly again?
 
 Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation
 
 Uninstallation: 
 You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software to 
 remove it. 
 1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
 double-click it to open it. 
 2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
 Double-click the installer to start it. 
 3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are installing 
 or uninstalling the software. 
 4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.
 
 If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the software 
 again from the link I supplied previously
 This link:   
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this and 
 get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more 
 info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego 
 software you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use 
 the latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted 
 to remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software 
 again, then use the Installer package to properly remove the applications 
 and NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have an Intego 
 Installer available you can download one from here:
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so far 
 caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any difference.  
 I would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 10.7.5
 
 Jewels
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Julie Bedford]

I didn't realise Stephen you had the same problem too.
I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have some 
hardware issues
again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.

Cheers
Jewels
On 02/03/2014, at 7:51 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:

 Hi Ronni,
 I just uninstalled Virus Barrier, Net Barrier and Washing Machine.
 Phew …. I feel better already.
 
 On 28 Feb 2014, at 11:06 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 
 Wow, your last email contained a lot of important information.  I'll keep it 
 safe for future reference and will not be purchasing any virus protection
 in future.  I guess I should upgrade from my OS 10.7 to 10.8 in order to 
 gain the extra protection too.  
 
 Thank you so much Ronni for your help.  I really appreciate the WAMUG site 
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 On 28/02/2014, at 9:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 I realise now I shouldn't have jumped in on another thread.  Sorry about 
 that.
 
 I hadn't tried to uninstall as My Intego bundle as I thought it was a 2014, 
 but upon checking it is a 2013 version.
 I have done as you instructed and my Mac confirmed it is all correctly 
 uninstalled now.  Thank heavens.
 I think next time I decide to buy a virus barrier, I'll consult you first.
 
 Many thanks Ronni and my Safari now opens without a problem.
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 On 28/02/2014, at 4:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at 
 some time.
 
 Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
 instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 If so, is Safari working properly again?
 
 Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation
 
 Uninstallation: 
 You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software 
 to remove it. 
 1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
 double-click it to open it. 
 2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
 Double-click the installer to start it. 
 3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are 
 installing or uninstalling the software. 
 4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.
 
 If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the software 
 again from the link I supplied previously
 This link:   
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this 
 and get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more 
 info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego 
 software you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use 
 the latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted 
 to remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software 
 again, then use the Installer package to properly remove the 
 applications and NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have 
 an Intego Installer available you can download one from here:
 
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so far 
 caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any difference. 
  I would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 10.7.5
 
 Jewels
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Stephen Chape]

I didn’t have the same problem Julie.
I simply became concerned about what I had been reading and thought prevention 
may be the best form of repair !
I also wondered ‘what the heck” I really needed it for after reading Ronni’s 
post.
And now that it has gone my iMac is noticeably faster.

On 2 Mar 2014, at 8:54 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I didn't realise Stephen you had the same problem too.
 I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have some 
 hardware issues
 again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 On 02/03/2014, at 7:51 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 I just uninstalled Virus Barrier, Net Barrier and Washing Machine.
 Phew …. I feel better already.
 
 On 28 Feb 2014, at 11:06 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 
 Wow, your last email contained a lot of important information.  I'll keep 
 it safe for future reference and will not be purchasing any virus protection
 in future.  I guess I should upgrade from my OS 10.7 to 10.8 in order to 
 gain the extra protection too.  
 
 Thank you so much Ronni for your help.  I really appreciate the WAMUG site 
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 On 28/02/2014, at 9:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 I realise now I shouldn't have jumped in on another thread.  Sorry about 
 that.
 
 I hadn't tried to uninstall as My Intego bundle as I thought it was a 
 2014, but upon checking it is a 2013 version.
 I have done as you instructed and my Mac confirmed it is all correctly 
 uninstalled now.  Thank heavens.
 I think next time I decide to buy a virus barrier, I'll consult you first.
 
 Many thanks Ronni and my Safari now opens without a problem.
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 On 28/02/2014, at 4:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at 
 some time.
 
 Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
 instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 If so, is Safari working properly again?
 
 Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation
 
 Uninstallation: 
 You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software 
 to remove it. 
 1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
 double-click it to open it. 
 2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
 Double-click the installer to start it. 
 3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are 
 installing or uninstalling the software. 
 4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.
 
 If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the 
 software again from the link I supplied previously
 This link:   
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this 
 and get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more 
 info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego 
 software you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use 
 the latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted 
 to remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software 
 again, then use the Installer package to properly remove the 
 applications and NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have 
 an Intego Installer available you can download one from here:
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so 
 far caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any 
 difference.  I would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 
 10.7.5
 
 Jewels
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Jewels,

 On 2 Mar 2014, at 8:54 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have some 
 hardware issues
 again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.


Exactly what was the message... was it related to MacFUSE or OSXFUSE ?

MacFUSE, has been unmaintained since 2008  not compatible with OS X 10.7
OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE  is compatible with OS X 10.7

Open System Preferences - go to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
Click on 'Update OSXFUSE'  button 

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Julie Bedford]

Good morning Ronni,

When I started the computer this morning, this is what came up in a small box:

 Internal module - updated required
Your Mac has an older version of Fuse for OSX. Recover results may not be 
mounted correctly.  Click to upgrade.

I checked System Preference and I have MacFUSE  - should I uninstall then if it 
is out of date and useless ?

I dont appear to have OSXFUSE at least it doesn't show up in the System 
Preferences.

I think the following message originates from Disk Drill PRO program:
Hardware issues detected
Warning - seems to be having hardware issues and need your attention

I purchased Disk Drill Pro recently - could that be more wasted money?  Should 
I uninstall this or
has it any validity.  

No urgency in replying - have Monday off !

Cheers
Jewels



On 03/03/2014, at 8:41 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Jewels,
 
 On 2 Mar 2014, at 8:54 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have 
 some hardware issues
 again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.
 
 
 Exactly what was the message... was it related to MacFUSE or OSXFUSE ?
 
 MacFUSE, has been unmaintained since 2008  not compatible with OS X 10.7
 OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE  is compatible with OS X 10.7
 
 Open System Preferences - go to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
 Click on 'Update OSXFUSE'  button 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Jewels,

A bit of friendly advice.
Before installing any ‘Third-Party’ (non-Apple) Software make sure you:
Know what the software does
Know how to Install, Setup, and Use the software
Know how to uninstall the software 

Disk Drill Pro is file recovery software, it also offers a conventional drive 
S.M.A.R.T monitoring toolset.

First step to do is check: Do you have the latest version of Disk Drill Pro 
installed?
Perhaps you don't have the latest - as it should install OSXFUSE not MacFUSE.

OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE, (which has been unmaintained since 2008 and 
is not compatible with OS X 10.7)
It shares most of its source code with MacFUSE.
OSXFUSE supports Mac OS X 10.5 and later (Intel and PowerPC architecture). It 
is fully compatible with 64-bit kernels and OS X 10.7.
OSXFUSE is open source and under active development.

Second Step - You need to Uninstall MacFUSE before installing OSXFUSE

A) How can I uninstall MacFUSE?
Open System Preferences and go to the MacFUSE preference pane. Click on the 
Remove MacFUSE button. 

This will uninstall all MacFUSE components except the preference pane itself.

B)To remove it from the Preference Pane,  you remove it just like how you would 
remove any other non-Apple preference pane: 

In System Preferences, control-click (right-click) on the MacFUSE icon and you 
will see Remove ... as an action.


C) Then download  Install  OSXFUSE

Install FUSE for OS X

The recommended way to install FUSE for OS X is to download the latest 
OSXFUSE-{version}.dmg available from http://osxfuse.github.com/ and 
double-clicking on Install OSXFUSE {version}.

How can I keep FUSE for OS X up-to-date?

The tools to keep FUSE for OS X up-to-date (query the installed version, 
query for available updates, download and install updates, and so on) are built 
into FUSE for OS X. Simply launch the System Preferences application and go 
to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
It should tell you if there is and update and if so, will also let you download 
and install it.

Extra information:
Update Disk Drill Pro 2 
http://help.cleverfiles.com/how-to-upgrade-from-disk-drill-1-8-to-2-0/

Disk Drill PRO
http://help.cleverfiles.com/how-to-install-disk-drill/
Disk Drill PRO
http://help.cleverfiles.com/category/tutorials/

http://www.macnn.com/reviews/disk-drill-pro-file-recovery-software.html

I'm going to take a break now from WAMUG for what is left of the long week-end 
;o)

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.2 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 3 Mar 2014, at 10:13 am, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 
 Good morning Ronni,
 
 When I started the computer this morning, this is what came up in a small box:
 
 Internal module - updated required
 Your Mac has an older version of Fuse for OSX. Recover results may not be 
 mounted correctly.  Click to upgrade.
 
 I checked System Preference and I have MacFUSE  - should I uninstall then if 
 it is out of date and useless ?
 
 I dont appear to have OSXFUSE at least it doesn't show up in the System 
 Preferences.
 
 I think the following message originates from Disk Drill PRO program:
 Hardware issues detected
 Warning - seems to be having hardware issues and need your attention
 
 I purchased Disk Drill Pro recently - could that be more wasted money?  
 Should I uninstall this or
 has it any validity.  
 
 No urgency in replying - have Monday off !
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 
 
 On 03/03/2014, at 8:41 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 On 2 Mar 2014, at 8:54 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I did notice when I restarted my computer earlier that it is said I have 
 some hardware issues
 again.  Somethink about Fuse being outdated.  Not even sure what Fuse is.
 
 
 Exactly what was the message... was it related to MacFUSE or OSXFUSE ?
 
 MacFUSE, has been unmaintained since 2008  not compatible with OS X 10.7
 OSXFUSE is a successor to MacFUSE  is compatible with OS X 10.7
 
 Open System Preferences - go to the FUSE for OS X preference pane. 
 Click on 'Update OSXFUSE'  button 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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Re:Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Jewels,

I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at some 
time.

Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined

If so, is Safari working properly again?

Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation

Uninstallation: 
You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software to 
remove it. 
1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
double-click it to open it. 
2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
Double-click the installer to start it. 
3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are installing or 
uninstalling the software. 
4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.

If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the software 
again from the link I supplied previously
This link:   
https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined

Cheers,
Ronni

On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this and 
 get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego software 
 you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use the 
 latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted to 
 remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software again, 
 then use the Installer package to properly remove the applications and 
 NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have an Intego Installer 
 available you can download one from here:
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so far 
 caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any difference.  I 
 would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 10.7.5
 
 Jewels

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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Julie Bedford]

Hi Ronni
I realise now I shouldn't have jumped in on another thread.  Sorry about that.

I hadn't tried to uninstall as My Intego bundle as I thought it was a 2014, but 
upon checking it is a 2013 version.
I have done as you instructed and my Mac confirmed it is all correctly 
uninstalled now.  Thank heavens.
I think next time I decide to buy a virus barrier, I'll consult you first.

Many thanks Ronni and my Safari now opens without a problem.

Cheers
Jewels
On 28/02/2014, at 4:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:

 Hi Jewels,
 
 I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at some 
 time.
 
 Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
 instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 If so, is Safari working properly again?
 
 Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation
 
 Uninstallation: 
 You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software to 
 remove it. 
 1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
 double-click it to open it. 
 2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
 Double-click the installer to start it. 
 3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are installing 
 or uninstalling the software. 
 4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.
 
 If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the software 
 again from the link I supplied previously
 This link:   
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this and 
 get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more 
 info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego 
 software you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use the 
 latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted to 
 remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software again, 
 then use the Installer package to properly remove the applications and 
 NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have an Intego Installer 
 available you can download one from here:
 
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so far 
 caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any difference.  I 
 would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 10.7.5
 
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Re: Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation (Julie Bedford)

[Julie Bedford]

Hi Ronni,

Wow, your last email contained a lot of important information.  I'll keep it 
safe for future reference and will not be purchasing any virus protection
in future.  I guess I should upgrade from my OS 10.7 to 10.8 in order to gain 
the extra protection too.  

Thank you so much Ronni for your help.  I really appreciate the WAMUG site 

Cheers
Jewels

On 28/02/2014, at 9:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 I realise now I shouldn't have jumped in on another thread.  Sorry about that.
 
 I hadn't tried to uninstall as My Intego bundle as I thought it was a 2014, 
 but upon checking it is a 2013 version.
 I have done as you instructed and my Mac confirmed it is all correctly 
 uninstalled now.  Thank heavens.
 I think next time I decide to buy a virus barrier, I'll consult you first.
 
 Many thanks Ronni and my Safari now opens without a problem.
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 On 28/02/2014, at 4:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels,
 
 I've changed the subject in case anyone needs to search the archives at some 
 time.
 
 Have you uninstalled the 'Mac Internet Security 2013' following the 
 instructions (with screenshots) in the link in my previous email?
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 If so, is Safari working properly again?
 
 Intego - 'Mac Internet Security 2013' - Uninstallation
 
 Uninstallation: 
 You will use the same installer you used to install your Intego software to 
 remove it. 
 1. Locate the disk image you downloaded from the Intego website and 
 double-click it to open it. 
 2. You will see the installer as you did when you installed the software. 
 Double-click the installer to start it. 
 3. One of the first options you see will ask you whether you are installing 
 or uninstalling the software. 
 4. Choose to uninstall the software and follow the instructions.
 
 If you are unable to locate the original disk image, download the software 
 again from the link I supplied previously
 This link:   
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:28 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni,
 Apologise, I completely missed it.  
 Fortunately, I have not tried to uninstall the Intego software.  
 My OSX is 10.7.5. The Intego software consists of the following:
 Virus Barrier - version 10.7.8
 NetUpdate - version 10.7.4
 NetBarrier - version 10.7.5
 I purchased this within the last two weeks.   If I can get rid of this and 
 get my Safari 
 back working, I'll be happy.  I will then maybe check out the ClamXav.  
 
 Do you personally think it wise to have some form of protection ?
 
 Thanks 
 Jewels
 
 
 On 25/02/2014, at 11:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hello Jewels,
 
 I did reply to your first email and mentioned
 To help you with your current problem Jewels, we would require more 
 info... 
 Also the version of OS X  the correct name  version of the Intego 
 software you have installed. 
 
 How to Uninstall Intego 2013 Products
 How to Uninstall Software
 
 To properly uninstall your Intego software it is important that you use 
 the latest Installer for your software.  If you have manually attempted to 
 remove the software, you will need to first, reinstall the software again, 
 then use the Installer package to properly remove the applications and 
 NetUpdate icon from the menu bar.  If you do not have an Intego Installer 
 available you can download one from here:
 
 http://www.intego.com/support/downloads
 
 
 https://support.intego.com/entries/24937247-How-to-Uninstall-Intego-2013-Products#marketoID=undefined
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 10:35 pm, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Just jumping in here.  I have the latest Virus Barrier which has so far 
 caused me a pain and now I am unable to open Safari at all.
 I am not sure if I uninstall Virus Barrier it will make any difference.  
 I would personally not recommend this program. I am on OS 10.7.5
 
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Re: Security questions for Apple ID ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronni,
All fixed now.
I had to speak with Apple Support because her AID had no rescue email.
They were very helpful !

On 12 Feb 2014, at 1:35 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Stephen,
 Rescue email address and how to reset Apple ID security questions
 If you can't recall your Apple ID security questions and answers, the 
 optional rescue email provides a way to reset them. Additionally, all future 
 security-related emails for your Apple ID will be sent to the rescue email 
 address.
 
 
 When creating a new Apple ID for use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, 
 you will be asked to provide an optional rescue email address. If you have an 
 existing Apple ID that you use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, you 
 may be asked to provide some additional security information, including a 
 rescue email address. When you provide a rescue email address, all future 
 security emails, such as password resets from iForgot, will be sent to the 
 address provided. The rescue email address you provide cannot be the same as 
 your primary email address for your Apple ID. In most cases, your primary 
 email address is the same as your Apple ID username. 
 
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5312
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 12 Feb 2014, at 1:28 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 My grand daughter tried to log in to the App Store to make a purchase a few 
 nights ago.
 She has no credit card so she depends upon gift vouchers being redeemed.
 On this occasion she was asked to answer 2 security questions.
 She tells me she has never set up security questions and therefore does not 
 know the answers.
 
 Is there any way around this ?
 I tried to renew the questions but Apple does not seem to allow this.
 Forgetting a password can be resolved but it appears not this.
 
 Eventually I decided to set her up with a new Apple ID.
 However it would not allow this because her email is “already being used for 
 another Apple ID.
 
 The only way around this seems to be to set her up with a new email address 
 with Westnet.
 Then create a new Apple ID.
 Then adjust her settings in her Apple Mail account.
 Then let all her contacts know her new email address.
 
 Does anyone know of a simpler solution please ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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Security questions for Apple ID ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks,

My grand daughter tried to log in to the App Store to make a purchase a few 
nights ago.
She has no credit card so she depends upon gift vouchers being redeemed.
On this occasion she was asked to answer 2 security questions.
She tells me she has never set up security questions and therefore does not 
know the answers.

Is there any way around this ?
I tried to renew the questions but Apple does not seem to allow this.
Forgetting a password can be resolved but it appears not this.

Eventually I decided to set her up with a new Apple ID.
However it would not allow this because her email is “already being used for 
another Apple ID.

The only way around this seems to be to set her up with a new email address 
with Westnet.
Then create a new Apple ID.
Then adjust her settings in her Apple Mail account.
Then let all her contacts know her new email address.

Does anyone know of a simpler solution please ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape

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Re: Security questions for Apple ID ?

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Stephen

Try logging in to appleid.apple.com and then Manage Apple ID.
You may be able to adjust the security questions from there.
Short of that, you can call Apple Support and they generally will help you 
adjust those questions. (Apple are 133-622).
But only someone with access to the AppleID (when it was created or used) can 
actually add those questions, they can't just be added themselves.
(they can also be case sensitive as well).

A good  Secure Note in Keychain Access is a good place to put those 
question/answer things, locked away with a password. As a lot of people do set 
them up then never use them for months/years.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 12/02/2014, at 1:28 PM, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 My grand daughter tried to log in to the App Store to make a purchase a few 
 nights ago.
 She has no credit card so she depends upon gift vouchers being redeemed.
 On this occasion she was asked to answer 2 security questions.
 She tells me she has never set up security questions and therefore does not 
 know the answers.
 
 Is there any way around this ?
 I tried to renew the questions but Apple does not seem to allow this.
 Forgetting a password can be resolved but it appears not this.
 
 Eventually I decided to set her up with a new Apple ID.
 However it would not allow this because her email is “already being used for 
 another Apple ID.
 
 The only way around this seems to be to set her up with a new email address 
 with Westnet.
 Then create a new Apple ID.
 Then adjust her settings in her Apple Mail account.
 Then let all her contacts know her new email address.
 
 Does anyone know of a simpler solution please ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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Re: Security questions for Apple ID ?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stephen,
Rescue email address and how to reset Apple ID security questions
If you can't recall your Apple ID security questions and answers, the optional 
rescue email provides a way to reset them. Additionally, all future 
security-related emails for your Apple ID will be sent to the rescue email 
address.


When creating a new Apple ID for use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, 
you will be asked to provide an optional rescue email address. If you have an 
existing Apple ID that you use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, you may 
be asked to provide some additional security information, including a rescue 
email address. When you provide a rescue email address, all future security 
emails, such as password resets from iForgot, will be sent to the address 
provided. The rescue email address you provide cannot be the same as your 
primary email address for your Apple ID. In most cases, your primary email 
address is the same as your Apple ID username. 


http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5312
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 12 Feb 2014, at 1:28 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 My grand daughter tried to log in to the App Store to make a purchase a few 
 nights ago.
 She has no credit card so she depends upon gift vouchers being redeemed.
 On this occasion she was asked to answer 2 security questions.
 She tells me she has never set up security questions and therefore does not 
 know the answers.
 
 Is there any way around this ?
 I tried to renew the questions but Apple does not seem to allow this.
 Forgetting a password can be resolved but it appears not this.
 
 Eventually I decided to set her up with a new Apple ID.
 However it would not allow this because her email is “already being used for 
 another Apple ID.
 
 The only way around this seems to be to set her up with a new email address 
 with Westnet.
 Then create a new Apple ID.
 Then adjust her settings in her Apple Mail account.
 Then let all her contacts know her new email address.
 
 Does anyone know of a simpler solution please ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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Re: Security questions for Apple ID ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronni.
Maybe I gave my email as the rescue address.
I will check that.
If not can a rescue address still be added or will we still have the same issue 
logging in to do that ?

On 12 Feb 2014, at 1:35 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Stephen,
 Rescue email address and how to reset Apple ID security questions
 If you can't recall your Apple ID security questions and answers, the 
 optional rescue email provides a way to reset them. Additionally, all future 
 security-related emails for your Apple ID will be sent to the rescue email 
 address.
 
 
 When creating a new Apple ID for use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, 
 you will be asked to provide an optional rescue email address. If you have an 
 existing Apple ID that you use with the iTunes Store or Mac App Store, you 
 may be asked to provide some additional security information, including a 
 rescue email address. When you provide a rescue email address, all future 
 security emails, such as password resets from iForgot, will be sent to the 
 address provided. The rescue email address you provide cannot be the same as 
 your primary email address for your Apple ID. In most cases, your primary 
 email address is the same as your Apple ID username. 
 
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5312
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 12 Feb 2014, at 1:28 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 My grand daughter tried to log in to the App Store to make a purchase a few 
 nights ago.
 She has no credit card so she depends upon gift vouchers being redeemed.
 On this occasion she was asked to answer 2 security questions.
 She tells me she has never set up security questions and therefore does not 
 know the answers.
 
 Is there any way around this ?
 I tried to renew the questions but Apple does not seem to allow this.
 Forgetting a password can be resolved but it appears not this.
 
 Eventually I decided to set her up with a new Apple ID.
 However it would not allow this because her email is “already being used for 
 another Apple ID.
 
 The only way around this seems to be to set her up with a new email address 
 with Westnet.
 Then create a new Apple ID.
 Then adjust her settings in her Apple Mail account.
 Then let all her contacts know her new email address.
 
 Does anyone know of a simpler solution please ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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U.S. Government Confirms Android Security Problems

[Ronda Brown]

Hi People,

Common tech wisdom has long held that iOS is far more secure than Android, but 
a report issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the Federal 
Bureau of Investigation confirm it. 
Android represented 79 percent of mobile malware threats in 2012, while iOS 
only accounted for 0.7 percent. A whopping 44 percent of Android devices are 
running two-year old versions of the operating system. 
Example security threats listed include SMS Trojans, rootkits, and fake Google 
Play domains.

http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-android-threats/

Cheers,
Ronni
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Re: U.S. Government Confirms Android Security Problems

[Martin Hill]

Here's a particularly good summary of the malware situation on Android:

32.8 million Android devices were infected with 65,227 different pieces of 
malware in 2012 alone compared to close to zero malicious exploits for iOS 
according to NQ Mobile. 

Take for example just one of these malware strains - the EuroGrabber Android 
malware which is as easy to be infected with as clicking on a link in an email. 
This malware swiped $47 million dollars straight out of the bank accounts of 
30,000 users in 2012.

Another one of the multitude is the Android.Bmaster command and control botnet 
malware which has been siphoning between $547,500 to $3,285,000 off hapless 
Android users per year. This is an example of the Clear and Present Danger 
affecting Android users the world over, something completely absent for iOS 
users.

Then there is the enormous Master Key security hole affecting 99% of all 
Android devices since launch that can give malware full access to all system 
and user data and control phone and SMS functions with direct financial 
implications and turn the Android device into an always-on, always-moving, hard 
to detect botnet Zombie.

And then there is the Google Messaging Service security hole being used by 
hackers to steal Android users’ data and forcing them to send paid SMS messages.

Android is swiss cheese from a security standpoint and Android users are 
reaping the whirlwind.


On 29/08/2013, at 6:43 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi People,
 
 Common tech wisdom has long held that iOS is far more secure than Android, 
 but a report issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the 
 Federal Bureau of Investigation confirm it. 
 Android represented 79 percent of mobile malware threats in 2012, while iOS 
 only accounted for 0.7 percent. A whopping 44 percent of Android devices are 
 running two-year old versions of the operating system. 
 Example security threats listed include SMS Trojans, rootkits, and fake 
 Google Play domains.
 
 http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-android-threats/
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
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Re: Wi Fi security

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 01/04/2013, at 11:10 AM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 On the same vein of Wi Fi networks i use Cloak on my MacBook Pro.  
 
 I have a colleague who is setting up an online consulting site on a Windows 
 PC using a wireless network.  What is the comparable software to Cloak for 
 Windows?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 

I'm not 100% sure, but this seems ot do the same thing:  
https://cloakvpn.com. There are Mac and Windows versions. They do seem to be 
a different company from the one that does the Mac/iOS version of Cloak.

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Wi Fi security

[Stuart Breden]

Thanks Peter.

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

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On 01/04/2013, at 3:16 PM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:

 
 On 01/04/2013, at 11:10 AM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 On the same vein of Wi Fi networks i use Cloak on my MacBook Pro.  
 
 I have a colleague who is setting up an online consulting site on a Windows 
 PC using a wireless network.  What is the comparable software to Cloak for 
 Windows?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 
 
 I'm not 100% sure, but this seems ot do the same thing:  
 https://cloakvpn.com. There are Mac and Windows versions. They do seem to 
 be a different company from the one that does the Mac/iOS version of Cloak.
 
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
 
 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
 
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