Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > However, both volunteers and staff participants have joined the CoC > process. Matthew is too modest – the discussions has been managed by staff since late 2015, almost all of the contributions to the

[Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

This code has been under discussion at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the summer of 2015, and is finally nearing completion. The original consensus in 2015 had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community for ratification and adoption.

[Wikimedia-l] Diversity and EEO-1

The BBC reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39035512 on a controversy involvig Uber and its diversity policies. *Until now, Uber had been standing firm on not publishing its diversity figures. Most major technology companies make public their EEO-1 - a government filing that breaks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

> > This is correct, all global bans (after a complaint has been made) go > through: > > >- Investigation by Support & Safety team member --> >- Review and Recommendation by the Manager of Trust & Safety (myself) >--> >- Approval by the Director of Support & Safety and the Chief of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Pine > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the list of WMF > accounts with special permissions, and the reasons for granting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

My understanding is that the signficant mention in independent reliable sources is what is required to write an encyclopaedia article about something. Passing mention in reliable sources such as peer-reviewed academic journals establishes that something exists. Passing mention in news sources

Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

Nathan, These are indeed excellent questions which should be asked before starting any survey. I wish I could be confident that it is universal practice for the Foundation to undertake this exercise before each of the rather numerous surveys they make of the community, and always able to view,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

There are words in other languages that have a rude, upleasant, disrespectful or pejorative meaning in British English. For an amusing list of examples, see the Oxford Dictionary blog at http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/02/words-that-sound-rude/ I presume that I'm entitled to be complain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

not laughing at your name. What I found funny was that people had a > series of pronunciations that were different and yet they were all sure > that they were correct. > I am not at all bothered but thank you for your consideration. "Rogol" On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Anna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

il. > > > > When you use a proverb, it is dandy but by the same token, I am not a > > collaborator because that would-be make me a Nazi (that is my cultural > > heritage). > > > > My question to you is plain. Are you willing to argue your case as I am > > wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

Anna, > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is not > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation. > Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over experience". The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation official response re Daily Mail issue

David Thanks for that. I think the point might have been strengthened by pointing out that the English-language Wikipedia standards for reliability are so high, that its editors do not even consider Wikipedia itself to be a reliable source! "Rogol" On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

I am glad to see that the WMF is being rigorous in ensuring that the donors' money is being spent effectively and accountably by the affiliated organisations. Of course one does not expect a detailed narrative when the WMF deems it necessary to take action in this way since named individuals are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

Michelle Would you let us know how much of the donors' money will be spent on this legal brief, either directly or in the costs of staff time, please? It would also be of interest to know why you felt that the input of the WMF to this brief was essential given that there are 90 other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

Christophe On 20 December, you wrote > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > resolution process to change a comma. > > Now you write > the Executive Director > has authority to set and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

Anna, > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color. > Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list. > Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement strategy >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

Perhaps the issue has something to do with whether donors expected their money to be spent on publicising a political stance. One "privilege" I see here is the privilege of being able to spend other peoples' money in ways they did not expect and, possibly, do not support, without recourse. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

The ostensible rationale for this change, according to the Board chair was "Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole resolution process to change a comma." The new donor privacy policy has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

James > Why are proposals to abandon the US being given more consideration than > those to address the underlying issues? > Because this mailing list is for discussions about the Wikimedia mission, Foundation and projects; not for the general discussion of the national politics of the United

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

James I think this is a very interesting point. Why is the WMF so dependent on being able to hire staff in one location? I seem to recall suggesting some time ago that they should diversify their location globally in the inerests of innovation and efficiency. It would have done them good to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

James There has always been control of travel into the United States. I have had a colleague arrested at the airport and deported for the "crime" of admitting that she expected to be paid by a university for a lecture she had been invited to give. That was a clear interference with the free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

James, Is there any special relevance to the mission of the Foundation here, or this is simply an attempt to use the resources of the Foundation to gain publicity for a political cause that you personally favour? "Rogol" On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:41 PM, James Salsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

Gerard, > What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as > the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally > wrong with the notions pandered. I agree, and the more readily since I do not think, and have not said, that the English-language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

the community. > What community? > Thanks, > GerardM > > Op za 28 jan. 2017 om 18:27 schreef Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > To be clear, I’m engaged in understanding your perspectiv

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

ou be willing to generalize in categories: a > > spectrum of the least productive forms of engagement between the > > communities and WMF to the most productive forms of engagement? > > > > "But doing planning better is a lesson for management to learn, not for > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

Anna I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the responsible party" There is a difference between fault, responsibility and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

f the fence, but I can't disagree with your > statement. > > /a > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way > > answerable to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way answerable to the Community. I would have thought that was the least productive form of engagement between the two sides. The issue is what, if anything, will happen to the tools that the contributors want and need to carry

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a return

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

the issues as we know them. > > Seriously better quality to Wikipedia requires a small change that nobody > needs to see, that people can opt in to and the people that do will improve > the quality in all Wikipedias. Again, I challenge anyone to show where my > arguments fail reality. &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

nswers and where would satisfactory answers lead us to? My problem > with the WMF and its community that is that it is stuck too much in things > we could improve upon. I am actively engaged in getting towards a vision > that I share in mailing lists and on my blog. > > What is your vis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it could not show them a plan for the medium to long term. For some reason, the Foundation is consistently unwilling to share this plan with the Community (its biggest donor in terms both of money and surplus value). I wonder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

e implemented? Or, to put it in other words, what input would you > give or expect if a document like you are requesting would exist? > > Best Rupert > > > > On Jan 10, 2017 11:28 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Wes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

s > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product > [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

ing of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes the > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead? > > Cheers, > Denny > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

including > links to previous documents. > > Cheers, > Denny > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Lisa > > > > You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] more reasons to extend the Fundraiser

Considering that the income of the Foundation is attributable to the voluntary work of the Community, perhaps some of the potential $2.5M projects could return some of the benefit more tangibly. Let me suggest 1. Fully-paid bursaies to Wikimania 2017 for one person from each of the 250 largest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

Sorry, typo: the CAAs serve an average of about 16,000 people a year: see http://www.communityactionpartnership.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=21=50 "Rogol" On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rogol, there a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

rewards, while effective project managers are likely to > remain invisible. > > Thanks for your email, I rarely reply to your stuff on-list or on-wiki, > but I appreciate your critical thoughts. > > Fae > > On 29 Dec 2016 22:15, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf..

[Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

I was reading Sherry Arnstein's 1969 paper "A Ladder of Citizen Participation" (JAIP, Vol. 35, No. 4, July 1969, pp. 216-224) available at http://lithgow-schmidt.dk/sherry-arnstein/ladder-of-citizen-participation.html or at http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/01944366908977225 and found it remarkably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement by Wikimedia Board on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe Spaces

The statement by the Board that "The Board is committed to making our communities safer" is very welcome. Perhaps the Board will turn its attention to the process for developing the *Code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces* which has been under discussion in draft form at [

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

o they believe this is a good idea in general, or compatible with their commitment to transparency in particular? Rogol Domedonfors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

Dear Dariusz I quite understand that some members of the Board feel that there are more important calls on their collective time and resources than engaging directly with individual members of the community, even though some do feel that they may be able to as individuals. I note that you feel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

Christophe, Thank you for explaining that there were two meetings involved. I welcome the assurance that the agenda will be published earlier in future. "Rogol" ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject) - was Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

Jimmy You seem anxious to deflect my question by making an unfounded accusation of distortion. The plain meaning of the posting I quoted was that Board members had no more time to devote to engagement with community members than they were currently allocating, and you clearly have read the

[Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

Jimmy Wales wrote: "it is possible and welcomed to bring forward issues to board members at any time". It would be most helpful to know where and how the Board in general would welcome such issues being raised and how much resource they will have to sustain those discussions. Attempting to raise

[Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

Dear Dr Coleman Congratulations on your appointment. May I offer some suggestions for things you might like to pay attention to now tas you embark on your new job. I suggest that engagement with the volunteer community, especially at a strategic and early stage in your decision making will be

[Wikimedia-l] Respect and good faith

Some recent posts here have provoked what seem to me to be unmerited rebukes from members of WMF staff and board. In one case comments to the effect that a Board member's new job might lead to a conflict of interest led to a rebuke from the Board's chair "I’m really sad to witness the tone of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

Chris Keating wrote: "Fortunately the Board isn't required to consider whether hypothetically infuture some other organisation's interests might conflict with the Foundation's: only whether in practice they do." This is not correct: one of the functions of the Board is to assess the risks to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

Sam, Thanks you for your views. Referring to the possible conflicts between Wikimedia and Quora, you say that "there is almost no current overlap between the organizations' main projects". Whether or not this is true right now, it is entirely possible that it may not be true in future, and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

Christophe writes "suggesting a Board member should resign and at the same time saying the process was properly followed, is not ok". I am not sure exactly what he means to convey by this, but I am not aware that anyone posting to this thread has said anything that can be described in this way.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

Congratuations to Kelly Battles on her new job at Quora. I believe I'm correct in saying that this is a company whose business is to make a profit by pursuing its "mission is to share and grow the world’s knowledge". Surely that means that in general the more and better the Wikimedia projects

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania strategic review

Ellie Young refers to a strategic review of Wikimania. It would be valuable to know how the community at large, and especially the 99% of content contributors or the 99.% of readers (all figures estimated) who do not currently go to such events, will be involved. Will there be any engagement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about upcoming Wikimedia strategy

As a follow-up to my posting yesterday, I have received a response from WMF staff at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2016-2017 which states "We know that a common challenge for strategy and vision development work is that people everywhere have a tendency to frame their thinking through

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about upcoming Wikimedia strategy

The page at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2016-2017 makes it clear that there are two stages to the strategy consultation being planned by the WMF: up to December the work is to define the process; from January the work is to execute that process. It has been a matter of some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

I think Pine's message rather illustrates my point. Pine seems to assume that the alternative is between people experienced in the WMF ways of doing things and novices. Actually, there are plenty of people in the world with experience in being trustees of non-proft organisations, and technical

[Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

end itself to a WMF/Silicon Valley view of the world. I urge those responsbile for selection of these important and influential groups to challenge themselves to look more widely and occasionally choose the uncomfortable option. "Rogol Domedonfors" ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

undation_Board_noticeboard/Archives/2016#Deep_strategy]. Exactly how and where will this engagement take place? Perhaps https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Strategy_Alpha might be a place to plan the mechanisms for that engagement? "Rogol Domedonfors" __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

I note that the minutes I requested in my posting yesterday were published two hours later [1] althought not linked from https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Meetings as one would expect, not were they announced on the mailing list. While I am glad that this has finally happened, it is deplorable

[Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

and deliberate snub. I call on the Board to rectify this situation as a matter of urgency. Rogol Domedonfors [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Handbook [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Meetings_in

[Wikimedia-l] Crisis of Confidence

It seems that the engagement between the Board and the Community has broken down, to the point that there may be a crisis of confidence developing. Perhaps members of this list would care to express their views at

[Wikimedia-l] Innovation

I am glad to hear that Luis Villa's department has been thinking about Innovation. Rather than debate it here, perhaps the team would like to expose some of their work on Meta. However I might just note that it would probably have helped the community to help them if the team had exposed their

[Wikimedia-l] Innovation

The 2015 Call to Action identified the need to Support innovation new knowledge * Integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiatives. * Create spaces for future community-led innovations and new knowledge creation. * Facilitate and support new models and structures for

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