Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

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This was discussed a number of times[sic.] onwiki and there was no consensus at 
all to allow NC on commons.

Citing from Commons:Village pump/Copyright: "One of Wikimedia Commons' basic 
principles is: "Only free content is allowed." Please do not ask why unfree 
material is not allowed at Wikimedia Commons or suggest that allowing it would 
be a good thing.ump/Copyright"

I agree with Gnangarra .

Best,
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Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Gnangarra 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Mai 2020 06:49
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the NC discussion from memory fell in that they impacted the ability to
include them in Wikipedia pages that are then rebroadcast by people like
Google and answers.com  because it was a more restrictive license.

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 12:44, Pine W  wrote:

> Personally, I wish that Commons permitted images with licenses that
> restricted the images to noncommercial use only. There are some media
> files that I would have uploaded to Commons if this was the case.
>
> I have seen at least previous discussion about this but I can't
> remember what happened to it. My guess is that the proposal died for
> lack of consensus or lack of energy. I remember that one proposed
> solution was to set up another website for media files that would
> allow media with NC restrictions.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:05 AM Benjamin Ikuta 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why
> people don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
> >
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year 2019 competition is now open

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Dear Wikimedians,



We are happy to announce that the 2019 Picture of the Year competition is now 
open.

 The Commons Picture of the Year is a competition that was first run in 2006. 
It aims to identify the best freely licensed images from those that during the 
year have been awarded Featured picture status. This is the fourteenth edition 
of POTY.



Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite images featured on 
Commons (FP) during the year 2019, to produce a single Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international 
Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and historically relevant images, Commons features 
pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories.


Two rounds of voting will be held:

  *   In the first round, you can vote for as many images as you like. The 
first round category winners and the top ten overall will then make it to the 
final.

  *   In the final round, when a limited number of images are left, you must 
decide on the one image that you want to become the Picture of the Year.


To vote, you must be an established Wikimedia user with more than 75 edits 
before January 1, 2020.


To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2019 page on Wikimedia
Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:POTY/2019/VOTE

Round 1 begins on 8 March 2020, 15:00 and ends on 22 March 2020, 23:59:59 [UTC]
Round 2 begins on 5 April 2020, 15:00 and ends on 19 April 2020, 23:59:59 [UTC]

Thanks,

POTY 2019 committee


THIS MAIL AS HTML/PDF: 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

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That's shocking...

>> I think this has serious implications for Wikipedia & Wikimedia, as not
>> only they would be easily able to see which articles people read, but
>> also steal login credentials, depseudonymize people and even hijack
>> admin accounts.

Yes, they can de-crypt the traffic. Hopefully browser vendors will disallow the 
root certificate.
IMHO there isn't much WP can do, expect showing a warning if somebody is trying 
to login
from the country in question.

--Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von Yury 
Bulka 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juli 2019 12:36
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Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

I'm sure many have heard about this:
https://thehackernews.com/2019/07/kazakhstan-https-security-certificate.html

Essentially, the government in Kazakhstan started forcing citizens into
installing a root TLS certificate on their devices that would allow the
government to intercept, decrypt and manipulate all HTTPS traffic.

Without the centificate, it seems, citizens can't access HTTPS pages (at
least on some ISPs).

I think this has serious implications for Wikipedia & Wikimedia, as not
only they would be easily able to see which articles people read, but
also steal login credentials, depseudonymize people and even hijack
admin accounts.

Another danger is that if this effort by Kazakhstan will succeed, other
governments may start doing the same.

I wonder if WMF has any position on this yet?

Best,
Yury.

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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year 2018: The results are in!

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Dear Wikimedians,


The 2018 Picture of the Year competition has ended and we are pleased to 
announce the results:

In both rounds, people voted for their favorite media files.

  *   In the first round, there were 963 candidate images.
  *   In the second round, people voted for the 57 finalists (the R1 top 30 
overall and top 2 in each category).

In the second round – the “three votes” was used – eligible users could vote 
for up to 3 finalists – each of these 3 votes counted equal. There were 2983 
people who voted in R1 and 3496 who voted in round R2.

We congratulate the winners of the contest and thank them for creating these 
beautiful media files and sharing them as freely licensed content:

  1.  439 people voted for the winner, File:Evolution of a 
Tornado.jpg.
  2.  In second place, 361 people voted for File:FCAB EMD GT22CU-3 San Pedro - 
Ascotan.jpg.
  3.  In third place, 356 people voted for 
File:Frostedbubble2.jpg.

Click here to view the top images 
»


We also sincerely thank to all voters for participating. We invite you to 
continue to participate in the Wikimedia Commons community by sharing your 
work.

Thanks,
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committee


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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year | 2018 | round 2 voting open

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Dear Wikimedians,


We are happy to announce that the second round of the 2018 Picture of the Year 
(twelfth edition!) competition is now open.


In the second and current round, you may vote for up to 3 finalists you like. 
Each of these 3 votes counts equal and one candidate must be only voted once. 
Note: if someone casts more than three votes, only the 3 most recent votes will 
be counted.  Round 2 will end 17 March 2019, 23:59:59.


You can vote here:  
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2018/R2/Gallery


Thanks,
POTY 2018 committee



Von: Steinsplitter Wiki im Auftrag von Steinsplitter Wiki 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2019 15:47
An: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List; 
commons-p...@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: Picture of the Year | 2018 | round 1 voting open

Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2018 Picture of the Year
competition is now open. This is the thirteenth edition of POTY.

Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite images featured
on Commons (FP) during the year 2018, to produce a single Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the
international Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant
shots to breathtaking panoramas and historically relevant images, Commons
features pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two
rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you can vote for as many
images as you like. The first round category winners and the top ten
overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want
to become the Picture of the Year.

Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2018/Rules

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2018 page on Wikimedia
Commons:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2018

Round ends on 17 February 2019, 23:59:59 [UTC].

Thanks,
POTY 2018 committee

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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year | 2018 | round 1 voting open

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Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2018 Picture of the Year
competition is now open. This is the thirteenth edition of POTY.

Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite images featured
on Commons (FP) during the year 2018, to produce a single Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the
international Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant
shots to breathtaking panoramas and historically relevant images, Commons
features pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two
rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you can vote for as many
images as you like. The first round category winners and the top ten
overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want
to become the Picture of the Year.

Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2018/Rules

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2018 page on Wikimedia
Commons:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2018

Round ends on 17 February 2019, 23:59:59 [UTC].

Thanks,
POTY 2018 committee

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] +28K images freed from Israel archives and uploaded to commons

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Hello,

WOW! Thank you for your work!

Best
Steinsplitter

Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
mata...@foss.co.il 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. November 2018 07:15
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] +28K images freed from Israel archives and uploaded to 
commons

Hello,

It is a great pleasure for me to let you all know that wikimedia Israel had 
developed a web scraper that crawled in various archives in Israel and uploaded 
more than 28K free images to commons.

The tool (https://github.com/wmil-1946/wikiscraper) was developed to crawl the 
web site (list below) and clean them, remove water marks, etc.

Only images taken before 1946 were uploaded, as per the law in Israel and 
United states.

Many volunteers had joined the effort by categorizing, linking and using the 
images once uploaded.

It even got coverage on Israeli media (here 
(https://www.calcalist.co.il/internet/articles/0,7340,L-3749654,00.html))

Commons categories containing the files:
[1 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_JNF_uploaded_by_Wikimedia_Israel)
 2 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_ISA_uploaded_by_Wikimedia_Israel)
 3 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_Moshe_Sharett_Archive_uploaded_by_Wikimedia_Israel)
 4 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_Palmah_Archive_uploaded_by_Wikimedia_Israel)
 5 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_GPO_uploaded_by_Wikimedia_Israel)]

Thanks to all the people involved in this gigantic effort and enjoy using 
historical images from the holy land! :)

Matanya
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year | Round two open

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Hi,


The results are now in, see 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Picture_of_the_Year_2017_Results



Regards,

Steinsplitter



Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Steinsplitter Wiki 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 17:48
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year | Round 
two open

Dear Wikimedians,


We are happy to announce that the second round of the 2017 Picture of the Year 
competition is now open.


In the second and current round, you may vote for up to 3 finalists you like. 
Each of these 3 votes counts equal and one candidate must be only voted once. 
Note: if someone casts more than three votes, only the 3 most recent votes will 
be counted.  Round 2 will end 22 July 2018, 23:59:59.


You can vote here: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/R2/Gallery

Thanks,
POTY 2017 committee

Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/Rules



Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Steinsplitter Wiki 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2018 14:53
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year competition 
is now open

Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now 
open.

Picture of the Year 2017 is the twelfth edition of the annual Wikimedia Commons 
image competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by users on 
Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite 
images featured on Commons (FP) during the year 2017, to produce a single 
Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international 
Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant images, images 
portraying the world's best architecture, Commons features pictures of all 
flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two 
rounds of voting will be held: In the first (and current) round, you can vote 
for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and the top 
ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited 
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want to 
become the Picture of the Year.

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2017 page on Wikimedia Commons: 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017

Round 1 will end 24 June 2018, 23:59:59 [UTC].

Thanks,
POTY 2017 committee

Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/Rules

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year | Round two open

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Dear Wikimedians,


We are happy to announce that the second round of the 2017 Picture of the Year 
competition is now open.


In the second and current round, you may vote for up to 3 finalists you like. 
Each of these 3 votes counts equal and one candidate must be only voted once. 
Note: if someone casts more than three votes, only the 3 most recent votes will 
be counted.  Round 2 will end 22 July 2018, 23:59:59.


You can vote here: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/R2/Gallery

Thanks,
POTY 2017 committee

Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/Rules



Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Steinsplitter Wiki 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2018 14:53
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year competition 
is now open

Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now 
open.

Picture of the Year 2017 is the twelfth edition of the annual Wikimedia Commons 
image competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by users on 
Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite 
images featured on Commons (FP) during the year 2017, to produce a single 
Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international 
Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant images, images 
portraying the world's best architecture, Commons features pictures of all 
flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two 
rounds of voting will be held: In the first (and current) round, you can vote 
for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and the top 
ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited 
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want to 
become the Picture of the Year.

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2017 page on Wikimedia Commons: 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017

Round 1 will end 24 June 2018, 23:59:59 [UTC].

Thanks,
POTY 2017 committee

Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017/Rules

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero

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https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships

--Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Michael Snow 
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juni 2018 21:11
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero

On 6/30/2018 11:11 AM, Lucas Teles wrote:
> I was also looking for information on the expiration date for partnerships,
> which is when the users will notice the access issues. Not sure if there is
> any.
I would guess that partnerships are not being terminated early, but
merely being allowed to expire whenever they expire. As the end date
will depend on the agreement that formed the partnership, I expect there
is not a single universal date on which Wikipedia Zero ends.

--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now open

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>> Not trying to criticize anyone or anything, but why is this starting so
late in the year? I think it would make more sense to have it as early as
possible.



Thanks for the question.  Because lack time by people who are running it, and 
setting up POTY is quite tricky (generating lists, setting up scripts, setting 
up the interface, requesting CN banner, bugfixes of issues, etc.)  and it 
involves bureaucracy ;).


Best,

Steinsplitter



Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von Jon 
Harald Søby 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2018 09:20
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year 
competition is now open

Not trying to criticize anyone or anything, but why is this starting so
late in the year? I think it would make more sense to have it as early as
possible.

2018-06-12 14:53 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki :

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> We are happy to announce that the 2017 Picture of the Year competition is
> now open.
>
> Picture of the Year 2017 is the twelfth edition of the annual Wikimedia
> Commons image competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by
> users on Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their
> favorite images featured on Commons (FP) during the year 2017, to produce a
> single Picture of the Year.
>
> Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the
> international Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and
> plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant
> images, images portraying the world's best architecture, Commons features
> pictures of all flavors.
>
> For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two
> rounds of voting will be held: In the first (and current) round, you can
> vote for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and
> the top ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round,
> when a limited number of images are left, you must decide on the one image
> that you want to become the Picture of the Year.
>
> To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2017 page on Wikimedia
> Commons:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_
> Year/2017
>
> Round 1 will end 24 June 2018, 23:59:59 [UTC].
>
> Thanks,
> POTY 2017 committee
>
> Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements:
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now open

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Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now 
open.

Picture of the Year 2017 is the twelfth edition of the annual Wikimedia Commons 
image competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by users on 
Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite 
images featured on Commons (FP) during the year 2017, to produce a single 
Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international 
Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant images, images 
portraying the world's best architecture, Commons features pictures of all 
flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two 
rounds of voting will be held: In the first (and current) round, you can vote 
for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and the top 
ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited 
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want to 
become the Picture of the Year.

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2017 page on Wikimedia Commons: 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2017

Round 1 will end 24 June 2018, 23:59:59 [UTC].

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

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Congrats.



Von: WikimediaAnnounce-l  im 
Auftrag von matanya moses 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Mai 2017 02:32
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Board of Trustees election

Greetings,

The certified results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
election are now available on Meta-Wiki: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2017/Results

Congratulations to María Sefidari (User:Raystorm), Dariusz Jemielniak 
(User:pundit), and James Heilman (User:Doc James) for receiving the most 
community support. Subject to a standard background check, they will be 
appointed by the Board at their August meeting at Wikimania.

These results have been certified by the elections committee, the Wikimedia 
Foundation staff advisors to the committee, and the Board of Trustees.

There were 5,581 votes cast, with 5,120 of those being valid. The 461-vote 
difference comes from recast ballots, where eligible voters recast ballots to 
change their votes, and struck votes, of which there were 34. (Some of the 
recast votes were also struck.)

Additional information is available on the Wikimedia Blog: 
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/20/board-of-trustees-elections-2017/

More statistics on the elections and a post-mortem from the committee will be 
published in the coming days. In the meantime, we would appreciate your 
input—what went well for you in this election?  What could we do better next 
time?  These reports are crucial to helping future elections be even more 
successful, and we hope that you will offer your feedback and ideas: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2017/Post_mortem

The committee would like to thank everyone that participated in this year’s 
election for helping make it, again, one of the most diverse and representative 
in the movement’s history.

Sincerely,
– Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year | 2016 | voting open

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>>I dont understand why this picture :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feixina_Park_Torrent_de_Sa_Riera_Basti%C3%B2_de_Sant_Pere_Palma_de_Mallorca.jpg
is in the birds category :


Sorting error. It has been moved to the correct category. Thank you :-)

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Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Lionel Allorge 
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. März 2017 14:10
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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Hi,

> We are happy to announce that the 2016 Picture of the Year competition is now 
> open.

Thank you. It is always a pleasure to vote for those very good pictures.

> For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories.

Great !

I dont understand why this picture :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feixina_Park_Torrent_de_Sa_Riera_Basti%C3%B2_de_Sant_Pere_Palma_de_Mallorca.jpg
is in the birds category :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2016/R1/Gallery/Birds

Regards.
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Lune Rouge : http://www.lunerouge.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year | 2016 | voting open

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Dear Wikimedians,

We are happy to announce that the 2016 Picture of the Year competition is now 
open.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international 
Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant images, images 
portraying the world's best architecture, maps created with the most modern 
technology, Commons features pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two 
rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you can vote for as many 
images as you like. The first round category winners and the top ten overall 
will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited number of 
images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want to become the 
Picture of the Year.

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2016 page on Wikimedia Commons: 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2016

Round 1 will end 30 March 2017, 23:59:59.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

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Hello Lilburne,


https://lizenzhinweisgenerator.de/?lang=en


--Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Lilburne 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. März 2017 03:14
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
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For the last 12 years Flickr have a system where people can click on a
link and get the HTML or BBCODE that properly attributes the image along
with the link to the license and all the rest of the requirements for
the CC license. Why can't commons do the same?

Otherwise its not hard to properly attribute a CC- licensed image.

On 02/03/2017 05:44, rupert THURNER wrote:
> on the german wikipedia there was a poll to ban images of users who
> send cease and desist letters, triggered by a recent case of thomas
> wolf trying to charge 1200 euro out of a tiny non-profit which
> improperly reused one of his images [1]. thomas article work includs
> "improving text deserts, and changing bad images to (often his own)
> better quality images"[2]. there is a broad majority against people
> who use cease and desist letters as a business model. anyway a small
> number of persons do have such a business model, some of them even
> administrators on commons, like alexander savin [3][4].
>
> but the topic of course is much more subtle than described above, the
> discussion was heated, and the result close - as always in the last 10
> years. a digital divide between persons supporting the original
> mindset of wikipedia which sees every additional reuse, unrestricted,
> as success, and the ones who think it is not desired to incorrectly
> reference, or feel that others should not make money out of their
> work.
>
> as both are viable opinions would it be possible to split commons in
> two, for every opinion? the new commons would include safe licenses
> like cc-4.0 and users who are friendly to update their licenses to
> better ones in future. the old commons would just stay as it is. a
> user of wikipedia can easy distinguish if she wants to include both
> sources, or only one of them? there is only one goal: make cease and
> desist letters as business model not interesting any more,
> technically, while keeping the morale of contributors high, both
> sides.
>
> [1] 
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/keine_Bilder_in_Artikelnamensraum_von_direkt_abmahnenden_Fotografen
> [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Der_Wolf_im_Wald
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:A.Savin
> [4] 
> https://tarnkappe.info/ausgesprochen-peinlich-abmahnfalle-wikipedia-interview-mit-simplicius/
>
> best
> rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

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This has been discussed multiple times on Wikimedia Commons and dewp, thus i 
see no need to discuss it here again.

The RFC on dewp [1] to ban such photos from being used failed, which speaks for 
itself.

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[1] 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/keine_Bilder_in_Artikelnamensraum_von_direkt_abmahnenden_Fotografen



Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
rupert THURNER 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. März 2017 10:22
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case 1:

to name a couple of other persons if you want to google for
"abmahnfalle wikipedia" (cease and desist trap wikipedia):


personally i favor a technical solution, as i find it pointless to put
people on some pillory for doing what the law allows them to do. like
separating into two commons - one save for reuse, one to be used if
you know a lawyer. or to built into wikipedias infrastructure to
include the license and author within the picture, fix wordpress,
etcetc. besides of course fixing the CC license in case it still is
not ready for proper online usage.

rupert

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Lodewijk  wrote:
> I've run into one or two people on OTRS that were reusing the materials in
> good faith, but that got a letter from such a photographer that wanted to
> see money (and that is just spillover from Germany to the Netherlands).
> Examples linked in the discussion include this warning and bill
> 
> of
> hundreds of euros for a foundation that did not specify the author name or 
> this
> website that was asked  to
> pay over a thousand euro. The discussion on the German WIkipedia may
> contain more links, and the linked blogs are insightful on how this
> behaviour is being perceived. Just google for "abmahnung bild wikipedia" to
> find more examples and stories.
>
> Hope that clarifies. German Wikipedians may have better examples.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-03-04 12:47 GMT+01:00 David Gerard :
>
>> This thread is notably long on hypothetical and meta-level discussions
>> and very short on concrete examples of the supposedly problematic
>> uploads under discussion. What are the generally accepted examples of
>> what we're actually talking about here?
>>
>>
>> - d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

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Haven't seen the banner, but i think it is: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_South_Africa/SOPA=AR2016_ipd_long=en=1


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Lodewijk 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. März 2017 21:15
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I didn't see the banner, but the page definitely looks... 'funny'.

I'm especially confused on what the purpose of the campaign/page is, even
after reading the different sections. It mostly feels either like a
political statement about refugees (which takes very clearly center stage)
or an 'unfinished' page which is work in progress. The landing page is
confusing (why am i taken there? What am I supposed to discover?), the
'refugees' banner is repeated on each page (which seems to emphasize it
should be the focus) and there's a few (minor) errors to be improved
(visible paragraph separator characters in the sustaining donor list, the
balance sheet is claiming to span a whole year).

Is this perhaps still work in progress?

On the visual end, it looks great though. I love the chatting group of
Wikipedians as a background.

Best,
Lodewijk

2017-03-01 20:59 GMT+01:00 Joseph Seddon :

> Hi James.
>
> You can find out more about the Endowment here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment
>
> Seddon
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:54 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
>
> > The statements Yair quoted are appropriate unless you believe
> > "empower" in the Foundation's Mission statement merely means "enable"
> > or "facilitate," without regard to economic or political power, so I'm
> > very glad to see them, as I am to see all of the eleven sections in
> > https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/consider-the-facts.html
> >
> > Yair omitted mention of the descriptions of how, in each of those
> > eleven cases, our volunteers are using Foundation projects to address
> > the identified issues. Those who think discussion of these issues
> > should be suppressed or are cause to leave could talk with the
> > volunteers whose work has been profiled so that both sides can
> > understand the motivations and concerns of the other. Maybe Roxana
> > Sordo or Andreas Weith are on this list and can address the concerns
> > raised about the description of their work directly? In any case, free
> > culture isn't compatible with prohibition of discussion and
> > censorship. And the impulses toward such suppression aren't rational,
> > given the extent to which the human endocrine system regulates
> > personal, group, hierarchical, and reciprocal relationships, as shown
> > in Table 1 on page 192 of Daphne Bugental's (2000) "Acquisition of the
> > Algorithms of Social Life: A Domain-Based Approach," in Psychological
> > Bulletin 126(2):187-219, at http://talknicer.com/Bugental2000.pdf
> >
> > Regarding the Annual Report financials, it looks like the investment
> > income the Foundation is earning has fallen below 1%. I don't think
> > it's fair to donors to hold $47 million dollars in cash and
> > equivalents as per https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/financials.html
> > -- Are people waiting for the Endowment Committee to meet before
> > investing? Does anyone know when the Endowment Committee will ever
> > meet?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Yair Rand  wrote:
> > > An unscheduled CentralNotice just started running, linking to a rather
> > > bizarre page [1]. Purporting to be the WMF's 2016 Annual Report, it
> > starts
> > > off with some text about refugees. "FACT: Half of refugees are
> > school-age",
> > > followed by some completely unencyclopedic text about the topic: "That
> > > means 10 million children are away from their homes, their communities,
> > and
> > > their traditional education. Each refugee child’s experience is unique,
> > but
> > > every single one loses time from their important learning years. Many
> of
> > > them face the added pressure of being surrounded by new languages and
> > > cultures." The linked page goes on to detail some of Wikimedia's vision
> > and
> > > how Wikimedia projects aid refugee populations. Following that, we have
> > an
> > > entire page on climate change and some of its effects, similarly
> written
> > in
> > > a style that is not befitting the movement: "In 2015, [Wikimedian
> Andreas
> > > Weith] photographed starving polar bears in the Arctic. As the ice
> > > declines, so does their ability to find food. “It’s heartbreaking,” he
> > > says." After all that, we finally have some pages on interesting
> > statistics
> > > about Wikimedia, mixed in with some general odd facts about the world,
> > > followed by a call to donate. There are also letters from the ED and
> > > founder linked.
> > >
> > > So, this could be a mix of coincidence and bad stylistic choices, and
> not
> > > politically 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

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I agree with Florence.


This WMF Annual Report has imho a obvious political connotation. Wikimedia 
should remain politically neutral in any regard. WP:POV;


--Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Florence Devouard 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. März 2017 00:44
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

I must say I also find the political message behind this a bit too
heavy. It lets me a bit unconfortable.

That most of the themes reported here are not Mr Trump cup of tea is
quite obvious. That the whole page is a message against the president, I
get it.

But in some cases, I think it is really lacking subtility or a bit too
manipulative. And that is not so cool.

For example... the message "one in six people visited another country in
2016"... illustrated by "SeaTac Airport protest against immigration ban.
Sit-in blocking arrival gates until 12 detainees at Sea-Tac are
released. Photo by Dennis Bratland.CC BY-SA 4.0"

Really... "visiting a country" is a quite different thing from
"immigrating".

I think the choice of picture inappropriate.

Florence


Le 01/03/2017 à 21:15, Lodewijk a écrit :
> I didn't see the banner, but the page definitely looks... 'funny'.
>
> I'm especially confused on what the purpose of the campaign/page is, even
> after reading the different sections. It mostly feels either like a
> political statement about refugees (which takes very clearly center stage)
> or an 'unfinished' page which is work in progress. The landing page is
> confusing (why am i taken there? What am I supposed to discover?), the
> 'refugees' banner is repeated on each page (which seems to emphasize it
> should be the focus) and there's a few (minor) errors to be improved
> (visible paragraph separator characters in the sustaining donor list, the
> balance sheet is claiming to span a whole year).
>
> Is this perhaps still work in progress?
>
> On the visual end, it looks great though. I love the chatting group of
> Wikipedians as a background.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-03-01 20:59 GMT+01:00 Joseph Seddon :
>
>> Hi James.
>>
>> You can find out more about the Endowment here:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment
>>
>> Seddon
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:54 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
>>
>>> The statements Yair quoted are appropriate unless you believe
>>> "empower" in the Foundation's Mission statement merely means "enable"
>>> or "facilitate," without regard to economic or political power, so I'm
>>> very glad to see them, as I am to see all of the eleven sections in
>>> https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/consider-the-facts.html
>>>
>>> Yair omitted mention of the descriptions of how, in each of those
>>> eleven cases, our volunteers are using Foundation projects to address
>>> the identified issues. Those who think discussion of these issues
>>> should be suppressed or are cause to leave could talk with the
>>> volunteers whose work has been profiled so that both sides can
>>> understand the motivations and concerns of the other. Maybe Roxana
>>> Sordo or Andreas Weith are on this list and can address the concerns
>>> raised about the description of their work directly? In any case, free
>>> culture isn't compatible with prohibition of discussion and
>>> censorship. And the impulses toward such suppression aren't rational,
>>> given the extent to which the human endocrine system regulates
>>> personal, group, hierarchical, and reciprocal relationships, as shown
>>> in Table 1 on page 192 of Daphne Bugental's (2000) "Acquisition of the
>>> Algorithms of Social Life: A Domain-Based Approach," in Psychological
>>> Bulletin 126(2):187-219, at http://talknicer.com/Bugental2000.pdf
>>>
>>> Regarding the Annual Report financials, it looks like the investment
>>> income the Foundation is earning has fallen below 1%. I don't think
>>> it's fair to donors to hold $47 million dollars in cash and
>>> equivalents as per https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/financials.html
>>> -- Are people waiting for the Endowment Committee to meet before
>>> investing? Does anyone know when the Endowment Committee will ever
>>> meet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Yair Rand  wrote:
 An unscheduled CentralNotice just started running, linking to a rather
 bizarre page [1]. Purporting to be the WMF's 2016 Annual Report, it
>>> starts
 off with some text about refugees. "FACT: Half of refugees are
>>> school-age",
 followed by some completely unencyclopedic text about the topic: "That
 means 10 million children are away from their homes, their communities,
>>> and
 their traditional education. Each refugee child’s experience is unique,
>>> but
 every single one loses time from their important learning years. Many
>> of
 them face the added pressure of being 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

To be honest, i am a bit concerned about Matt Flaschen's conduct here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft#Summary_of_criticisms 
This is not the behavior which i expect from a payed staffer.


Apart from that, i see a big COI - the staffer in question is voting at the 
voting sections, striking out votes, defending the code of conduct and the he 
is marking a section as "consensus". Imho the COI is obvious, such a behavior 
wouldn't be possible at dewp or commons.


Best,


--Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von Rogol 
Domedonfors 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Februar 2017 08:32
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

Yes.  See
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft=2409367
at section "Final approval of CoC", where Matt's statement at
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft=784
is discussed.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> >now reneged on previous agreements to hold a final vote
>
> Has that actually happened? I'm hoping that no statement like "the total
> document isn't subject to an RfC" was actually made. That would add
> needless disagreement to a process that is challenging enough even in the
> best of circumstances, and in any case would likely be overridden by the
> community.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

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Hi,


I agree 100% with Joseph Seddon's comment regarding the CN Banner procedure. :-)


Then, by the way:

I think Wikipedia should remain apolitical (not using wikipedia for a political 
purposes) as much as possible thus i don't think it is a good idea to set up 
such banners. We are building encyclopedia knowledge. @Gerard Meijssen: Of 
course Wikimedia/Wikipedia cares about users/staff, but political banners are 
not the best way. Telling stuff like "we do not care about our own", in the 
current context, is imho a affront for the Community and the Foundation.


Best,

Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von Bill 
Takatoshi 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Februar 2017 21:29
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

In the past two days I've been four off-list messages in response to
my request for proposed banner language, all but one from James
Salsman, who I recently defended here and who was subsequently "placed
on moderation." I asked moderator Richard Ames whether it would be
appropriate to forward his messages, and he said they should be sent
to the moderation queue. James then sent me a BCC of a very brief post
yesterday, which apparently has not yet been approved. James then sent
me, but not the list, arguments about the merits of the various
alternatives. I don't agree with the censorship, but in deference to
the moderator I am sending these links without James's commentary:

http://i.imgur.com/3Fb8Zrr.png

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8671628/national-strike-protest-president-donald-trump/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5s6ay6/activists_call_for_a_nationwide_strike_in_protest/ddctj1h/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/31/wheres-the-best-place-to-resist-trump-at-work/

https://www.thenation.com/article/throw-sand-in-the-gears-of-everything/

Another respondent who asked that I not use their name suggested that
an effective campaign can be patterned after this recent success:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/progressive-activism-forces-uber-ceo-break-trump

Could we please have banner text proposals do NOT call for a general
strike? I am not suggesting it be ruled out, nor am I suggesting that
we not join the call. I am simply asking for discussion in the middle
ground.

-Will

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[Wikimedia-l] Will the European Commission’s copyright rules spell destruction for Wikimedia?

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FYI:


Will the European Commission’s copyright rules spell destruction for Wikimedia?


See the article at: 
https://openmedia.org/en/will-european-commissions-copyright-rules-spell-destruction-wikimedia




https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/782846631985156096
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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year 2015 Results

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Dear Wikimedians,



The tenth Picture of the Year competition (2015) has ended and we are pleased 
to announce the results:

In both rounds, people voted for their favorite media files.

In Round 1, there were 1322 candidate images.In the second round, people voted 
for the 56 finalists (the R1 top 30 overall and top 2 in each category).




We congratulate the winners of the contest and thank them for 
creating these beautiful media files and sharing them as freely licensed
 content:

658 people voted for the winner, File:Pluto-01 Stern 03 Pluto Color TXT.jpg 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pluto-01_Stern_03_Pluto_Color_TXT.jpg)
In second place, 617 people voted for File:Nasir-al molk -1.jpg 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nasir-al_molk_-1.jpg)
In third place, 582 people voted for File:Heavens Above Her.jpg 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heavens_Above_Her.jpg)


See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015/Results 
to view the top images »



We also sincerely thank to all voters for participating. We invite you to 
continue to participate in the Commons community by sharing your work.



Thanks,
Steinsplitter on behalf of
the Picture of the Year committee
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started

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Round 2 of Picture of the Year 2015 is open! Dear Wikimedians,


Pine sent a short notification to both lists (commons-I and wikimedia-I) 
regarding POTY round two at 15 May 2016, now a few details:



We are happy to announce that the second round of the 2015 Picture of the Year 
competition
 is now open. This year will be the ninth edition of the annual 
Wikimedia Commons photo competition, which recognizes exceptional 
contributions by users on Wikimedia Commons.


Wikimedia users are invited
 to vote for their favorite images featured on Commons during the last 
year (2015) to produce a single Picture of the Year.



Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the 
international Wikimedia Commons community in the past year were entered 
in this competition. These images include professional animal and plant 
shots, breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historical 
images, photographs portraying the world's best architecture, impressive
 human portraits, and so much more.



There are two total rounds of voting. In the first round, you voted 
for as many images as you liked. In Round 1, there were 1322 candidate 
images. There are 56 finalists in Round 2, comprised of the top 30 
overall as well as the top #1 and #2 from each sub-category. 



In the final round, you may vote for just one or maximal three image to become 
the Picture of the Year.

Round 2 will end on 28 May 2016, 23:59:59 UTC.



Click here to vote » 


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015/R2/Gallery



Thanks,
Steinsplitter on behalf of the POTY 2015 committee


Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 10:21:18 -0700
From: wiki.p...@gmail.com
To: common...@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Commons-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has
started

Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015. There are 
many excellent finalists.

Pine


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook  , i talked 
with Yann - it wasn't him.

The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him 
access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].

Opinion: A page on meta schould be created and who operates which account.

--Steinsplitter

[1] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block=User%3ARodrigo.Argenton

> From: jameso...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 14:31:52 -0700
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting
> has started
> 
> Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are
> volunteers
>  (I don't
> think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start), I'd
> encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem with
> their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be the
> "evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score
> some points against them.
> 
> For those interested:
> 
> I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on
> frequently (Especially the Wikimedia  &
> Wikipedia  twitter and the Wikipedia FB page
> ) purposely follow a set of Best
> Practices
> 
> that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned or
> co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the
> public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC
> images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the
> copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
> 
> On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM
> sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free
> licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of
> modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience who
> we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed
> copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against the
> SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that
> they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in
> general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well
> think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't
> share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary
> to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure
> they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when
> posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter
> and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
> 
> James Alexander
> User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann 
> wrote:
> 
> > Peter,
> >
> > You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
> >
> > It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional
> > photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences fo
> > rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to Facebook
> > (and by implication to similar sites).
> >
> > eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
> >
> > And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully
> > uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
> >
> > eg:
> > https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0
> > https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
> >
> > Toby
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent.
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Pine W
> > > Sent: Sunday, 15 May 2016 7:21 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List; Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting
> > has
> > > started
> > >
> > > Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started:
> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015.
> > > There are many excellent finalists.
> > >
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[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Year | 2015 | voting open

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Dear Wikimedians, 
 
We are happy to announce that the 2015 Picture of the Year 
competition is now open.
 
 Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the 
international Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and plant 
shots to 
breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historically relevant 
images, images portraying the world's best architecture, maps, emblems, 
diagrams created with the most modern technology, and impressive human 
portraits, Commons features pictures of all flavors. 
 
For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two 
rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you can vote for as many 
images as you like. The first round category winners and the top ten 
overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited 
number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want 
to become the Picture of the Year. 

Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015/Rules 
 
To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2015 page on Wikimedia 
Commons:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015

Round 1 will end 10 April 2016.

Thanks, 
POTY 2015 committee

  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Why do we need such a Shop?

(I must admit that i tested the job a year ago, the product was fine, the 
shipment fast. A bit expensive for my taste.)

I agree with other users that the shop schould be hosted on wikimedia servers.

--Steinsplitter

> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 17:41:46 +0100
> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?
> 
> How many orders are handled by this shop?
> 
> Rupert
> On Mar 21, 2016 17:32, "Joseph Seddon"  wrote:
> 
> > In an ideal world then I would definitely be pushing for a fully wikimedia
> > hosted online shop. I completely agree with the principles you've raised.
> > But moving in-house would require resources for building and maintaining an
> > ecommerce workflow that I don't think we collectively can justify. The
> > setup and maintenance of any solution would require a degree of people
> > power that I personally think could be spent better elsewhere in the
> > movement as I am sure you would agree.
> >
> > Throwing together an e-commerce site can be easy. But doing it well,
> > ensuring you are PCI compliant, ensuring its stable, secure etc. etc. and
> > making it user friendly both front and back end. That takes time and money.
> > Even if we did all that we would still in end up using a third party
> > payment gateway. To ensure the shop is viable and not a drain we need to
> > keep it as efficient as possible.
> >
> > As Marc said Shopify may not be completely FLOSS but many of the frameworks
> > that Shopify use in their hosted service are on available on Github [1] and
> > I would encourage you to take a look.
> >
> > With regards to the URL, I as a customer would find a top 10 website
> > sending me to a third party URL for their shop highly suspicious and I
> > certainly could treat it with suspicion. Making it clear that it is hosted
> > by shopify I think would at least improve the situation.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Seddon
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Ricordisamoa
> >  wrote:
> > > Il 21/03/2016 13:14, Marc A. Pelletier ha scritto:
> > >>
> > >> On 2016-03-21 8:03 AM, Ricordisamoa wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> As in [1] I'd like to know whether the use of Shopify is acceptable for
> > a
> > >>> FOSS-friendly organization. Thanks in advance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> While Shopify isn't FLOSS-only, they're a fairly okay place that does
> > >> contribute to FLOSS themselves (mostly in the Ruby and Go worlds, that
> > >> intersect very little with our own tech).
> > >>
> > >> I don't think it's reasonable to expect that every external supplier is
> > >> all-FLOSS.  For one, the movement would be pretty much stuck without
> > >> hardware, networking gear, and power at the very least.  Not every
> > >> service/provider even *have* pure-FLOSS alternative - let alone good or
> > even
> > >> adequate ones.
> > >>
> > >> -- Coren / Marc
> > >>
> > >
> > > My concern was about the (likely proprietary) JavaScript that is run on
> > the
> > > customers' devices, but it turns out that it isn't actually required to
> > > browse and purchase?
> >
> > I very quickly looked, and it appears to be mostly open libraries and
> > Shopify specific code for making purchases.
> > However any amount of tracking could be hidden somewhere in their
> > JavaScript, and an audit today doesnt mean it is safe to use tomorrow,
> > as the source code is not publicly reviewed before being deployed.
> >
> > > And yes, it'd be nice if the server side was under WMF's control too!
> >
> > IMO it is more important that any service on the "wikimedia.org"
> > domain (and others owned by WMF) is free software.
> >
> > Outsourcing the service provision is fine, provided the software is
> > free software and the delegated service provider abides by our terms
> > of use and privacy policy.
> >
> > If we need to run non-free services, that isnt free software or can't
> > comply with our terms of use and privacy policy, it should be hosted
> > on a different domain, preferrably the domain of the service provider
> > so that it is abundantly clear who the transaction is really with.
> >
> > --
> > John Vandenberg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Hoi Gerard Meijssen et all.,

If there are issue with mobile edits we must take the necessary action to 
protect the wiki and re-users, this might include the aforementioned measures. 
I am sure we won't wast volunteers time.

If there are more problems than benefit... It is speaking for itself.

--Steinsplitter

> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:51:07 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects
> 
> Hoi,
> Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler.
> 
> Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find
> appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody
> would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a
> movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you
> may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest as
> it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve.
> 
> What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it but
> throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !!
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
> 
> On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adele
> >
> > Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship
> > with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1]
> >
> > Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has
> > been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after
> > regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns.
> >
> > WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded
> > support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or
> > Facebook's ersatz versions [2]
> >
> > Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership,
> > why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts.
> >
> > David
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
> >
> > [2]
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/
> >
> > On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana  wrote:
> > > Hi Teles,
> > >
> > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and
> > > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up.
> > >
> > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by requiring
> > > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly impacted
> > > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed editing
> > > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access from
> > > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not
> > > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the upload
> > of
> > > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern
> > > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new good
> > > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular
> > challenge
> > > of the extra work this causes for existing community members.
> > >
> > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers of a
> > > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates upload
> > > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form
> > (like
> > > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook or a
> > > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become aware
> > of
> > > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to
> > Community
> > > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's removed.
> > >
> > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we
> > would
> > > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without
> > > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we had
> > > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem.
> > > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from
> > zero
> > > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this
> > issue.
> > > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work.
> > >
> > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community
> > > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to
> > > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager to
> > > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the
> > > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update you
> > and
> > > the list here.
> > >
> > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to increase
> > > readership. This is measured 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Wow! Cool. Thanks!

:-)

--Steinsplitter
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:01:34 -0700
> From: astillw...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> CC: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org; discov...@lists.wikimedia.org; 
> wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!
> 
> Thank you. Great work.
> /a
> 
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
> dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> >  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> > the search results (see attached image).
> >
> > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> > be displayed.)
> >
> > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> >
> > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> >
> > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > --
> > Deb Tankersley
> > Product Manager, Discovery
> > Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid.

> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> From: m...@uberbox.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:28:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and 
> logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons
> 
> On 16-03-14 10:24 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged out 
> > users as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community 
> > consensus.
> 
> Really?  You have consensus from logged out users?  How did you
> ascertain that?
> 
> Or did you mean that you have consensus from a community that is
> explicitly not affected by the feature to turn it off for people other
> than themselves?
> 
> -- Coren / Marc
> 
> 
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[Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

To whom it may concern,

Pursuant to consensus at Commons:Requests for comment/Media Viewer software 
feature the Media Viewer must be switches off for logged in users and logged 
out users. The current status is that the feature has been only disabled for 
logged in user. This tool is not needed on Wikimedia Commons, it makes commons 
hard to use.

I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged out users 
as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community consensus.

Regards,
Steinsplitter

[1] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message just sent to the BoT

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Thanks for sharing with the mailinglist.

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:44:20 +0200
> From: ar...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Message just sent to the BoT
> 
> The following is the text of a letter I just sent to the Board of Trustees.
> --
> 
> A tale from the trenches
> 
> I wake up every day short on sleep, check staff mail, check wikimedia-l,
> check the facebook discussion group, check signpost comments, check irc,
> check officewiki recent changes, check wikimediafoundation recent changes...
> 
> I gear myself up to learn who may have left today, what they will have
> said, to digest the outpouring of support and sadness from others, and the
> deafening silence from those who are in a position to put an end to all of
> this.
> 
> I go over the reasons again in my mind that we're in this crisis: bad
> hirings, decisions in secret, dissembling and coverups about the processes
> that led to those decisions; refusal or inability to state a clear vision,
> let alone get buy-in or the involvement of staff/community in shaping that
> vision; restructuring the organization following these same broken
> processes.  And so much more.
> 
> Make no mistake, this is not just about an ED.  It's also about failure of
> oversight, powerlessness of staff, and a culture of exclusion, among other
> things.  If, as I hope, the Board acts decisively to remove the current ED,
> that will only be the first step in a mountain of work ahead of us.  Hard,
> painful, exhausting work.  But we can't begin to get started on it until
> that first step is taken.
> 
> In November at The Meeting (you all know which one I mean), Jimmy Wales
> called on all of us to give Lila Tretikov a second chance, a chance to
> rebuild the trust that had been lost.  We're well beyond that point now.
> That trust is irrevocably broken.  It's possible that she would be able to
> play a part in the healing and regrouping that must happen within the WMF
> going forwards, but only as a private individual.  I would have to have
> some distance from things in order to figure that out, and none of us has
> that right now.  What I do know is that the current situation is toxic, and
> getting increasingly more so.
> 
> We're bleeding out.  Slowly at first, but it's a just matter of time--and
> probably not much of it--before that trickle turns into a flood.  I plead
> with the one organization that has the ability to stop it, to step in and
> do so.
> 
> SOS...
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ariel Glenn
> tech gnome, WMF staff
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/Statement_of_principles

Any changes to the software must be gradual and reversible. We 
need to make sure that any changes contribute positively to the 
community, as ultimately determined by the Wikimedia Foundation, in full
 consultation with the community consensus.



Lila at all, Why you don't consult he community about new projects/code?


> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 02:35:06 -0800
> From: l...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant  
> offer?
> 
> Hi Gnangarra,
> 
> Thank you for forwarding, the authors of the article seem to be confused
> about the nature of the project. Our Comms team is working to clarify this.
> Please expect to see something from us in next few days.
> 
> Lila
> 
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
> 
> > FYI making main stream media
> >
> >
> > http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-15/wikimedia-foundation-aims-to-take-on-google-in-search/7168840
> >
> > On 14 February 2016 at 00:49, Anthony Cole  wrote:
> >
> > > Anne, we're talking about almost the same thing, but not exactly. I say
> > > "advised" you say "consulted". "Consulted" implies soliciting or
> > expecting
> > > some kind of response or engagement - probably
> > > approval/disapproval/critique/input. "Advised" means they got the memo. I
> > > think "advised" is enough, and if the board wants more engagement, they
> > can
> > > initiate it - presuming the notification is clear and comprehensive, of
> > > course.
> > >
> > > Anthony Cole
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Risker  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm not sure about that, Anthony.  By "consulted", I would mean
> > > > something to the effect of "We're looking at applying to XX for a grant
> > > of
> > > > $YYY to do ZZZ" and asking the Board if they would be likely to agree
> > to
> > > > accept such a grant if the application is successful.  The grant
> > > > application, evaluation and approval process is costly in both time and
> > > > resources, and for both the applicant and the grantmaker.  Being
> > informed
> > > > that a grant has been approved sounds more like a fait accompli
> > situation
> > > > for the Board - they look petty and ungrateful if they say no, even if
> > > they
> > > > don't think it was a reasonable grant application.  In this case, we're
> > > > only dealing with $250,000.  What if this was $1 million?  $10 million?
> > > >
> > > > I think it is healthier for everyone if the Board is properly consulted
> > > > before the application is submitted.  (And again, I note that we don't
> > > know
> > > > how much was actually requested in this case, only what was granted.)
> > > >
> > > > Risker/Anne
> > > >
> > > > On 12 February 2016 at 21:23, Anthony Cole 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Anne, regarding:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Since the Board must approve acceptance of any donations over
> > $100,000
> > > > > USD, it seems to be obvious that they should be consulted and
> > possibly
> > > > > should actively approve any grant applications where the dollar value
> > > > > sought is higher than that amount."
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure that the board should be *consulted* ahead of such
> > > > > applications' or should prior-approve all such applications. That
> > > seems a
> > > > > bit like micromanagement. But it makes sense to me for the board to
> > be
> > > > > *advised
> > > > > *of such applications and when they're being actively contemplated or
> > > > > prepared.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony Cole
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Risker  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way, Gerard. I personally
> > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > to feel more assured that the WMF is looking into the longer future
> > > and
> > > > > > actively plannning for the day that donations no longer support a
> > > large
> > > > > > staff doing lots of things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am concerned today that the team specifically tasked to work
> > > closely
> > > > > with
> > > > > > so many elements of the community has lost 7% of its staff, and 30%
> > > of
> > > > > its
> > > > > > leaders, in a single week. This should be a concern in any
> > > > organization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With respect to the Knight grant - I know that many times grant
> > > > > > applications are made for considerably more than is given, and I am
> > > > > > interested to know how much the WMF requested in the first place.
> > I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > also like to know whether or not the Board was formally advised of
> > > the
> > > > > > request before it was submitted.  Since the Board must approve
> > > > acceptance
> > > > > > of any donations over $100,000 USD, it seems to be obvious that
> > they
> > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell <3

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Anna, I will miss you! Thanks for all your excellent work. I always appreciated 
it. It was a pleasure to work edit you together at outreachwiki.

I hope you will edit as volunteer :-)

--Steinsplitter

> From: ako...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:49:18 -0800
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell <3
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> During the past three years, I have been privileged to be a part of this
> movement and this organization.
> 
> I have been honored to be your colleague and to work with you in service of
> the sum of all knowledge.
> 
> In particular, I wish to note particular projects that have inspired me
> very much.
> 
>- Working with Philippe Beautdette, Maggie Dennis, James Alexander, and
>Jan Eisfeldt to keep our community safe from threats of harm. [1]
>- Working with Patrick Earley, Nick Wilson, Erica Litrenta, Sherry
>Snyder, Oliver Keyes, and James Forester on the rollout of VisualEditor. 
> [2]
>- Working with Yana Welinder and Heather Walls to design a user-friendly
>trademark policy. [3] [4]
>- Working with Siko Bouterse to support Individual Engagement Grants and
>movement diversity. [5] [6]
>- Working with Jake Orlowitz to promote the Wikipedia Library and the
>Wikipedia Adventure. [7] [8]
>- Working with Jaime Anstee, Edward Galvez, Amanda Bittaker to encourage
>evaluation and learning. [9]
>- Working with Asaf Bartov to encourage regional cooperation in Central
>and Eastern Europe. [10]
>- Working with Floor Koudijs. Tighe Flanagan, Kacie Harold, Samir
>Elsharbaty, Rodney Dunican, Sage Ross, Jami Mathewson, and LiAnna Davis on
>the Wikipedia Education Program. [11]
> 
> The Wikipedia Education Program is especially near and dear to my heart. It
> is a means of educating readers, recruiting contributors, and creating
> quality content. Since 2014, the number of education initiatives around the
> world has increased by 36%. [12] [13] And 25% of all education programs are
> in one of the regions that I directly supported. [14] I am so proud of what
> they have accomplished. And I am enthusiastic about what great things they
> have yet to achieve.
> 
> I want to thank and compliment my current manager, Floor Koudijs. She is a
> competent, considerate, conscientious leader, and her diplomacy skills are
> unsurpassed. I am confident that the education team and the education
> program will continue to excel under her leadership. They are in the best
> hands.
> 
> I want to thank and compliment my hiring manager, Maggie Dennis. She had
> faith that, although I wasn’t an active community member, I could be taught
> to be a good community advocate. I am so proud that I proved her right. She
> taught me how to work in accordance with and to have the utmost respect for
> the wiki way. [15]
> 
> Wikipedia is a miracle, a monument to altruism. It is vital to the internet
> ecosystem, and it is vital to the education system. I hope that more young
> people especially will find their way to it and help out. And when they do,
> I hope that they are met with wise mentorship from veteran community
> members, just as I was.
> 
> I intend to remain a Wikipedian even after I am no longer a WMF staff
> member. And, with that promise, I’ll see you on the wikis. [16]
> 
> All the best,
> Anna Koval, M.Ed.
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Threats_of_harm
> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor
> [3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy
> [4]
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/10/29/designing-a-user-friendly-trademark-policy/
> [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG
> [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference
> [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library
> [8] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Adventure
> [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation
> [10] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Central_and_Eastern_Europe
> [11] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education
> [12]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Education/Countries=70367
> [13] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries
> [14]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ACEE_2015_State_of_the_CEE_Movement_Presentation.pdf=28
> [15] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_wiki_way
> [16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Msannakoval
> 
> --
> 
> Anna Koval, M.Ed.
> Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
> Wikimedia Foundation
> +1.415.839.6885 x 6729
> Skype: annakoval.wiki
> ako...@wikimedia.org
> education.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting formula was Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

"We are fully committed to filling the open community-selected seat through a 
transparent proces (...)"  
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/James_Heilman_removal_FAQ#Will_the_Board_support_and_accept_the_next_community-selected_member.3F)

So it wasn't true what was wrote there? :/

> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> From: m...@gondwanaland.com
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:51:37 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting formula was Appointment of María Sefidari 
> to Wikimedia Foundation Board
> 
> On 01/30/2016 07:19 AM, Risker wrote:
> > While we're at it...diversity remains a very serious problem for the
> > Board.  Does the community voting process want to try to take that on?  How
> > would we do such a thing?
> 
> I wildly speculate that it could be done through a voter pledge,
> sketched at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Linksvayer/Community-led_board_diversity_quotas
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

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Looks like a voting has been avoided... :/


... but María Sefidari is a good decision :-). Congrats.

> From: mardetanha.w...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:33:46 +0330
> To: dar...@alk.edu.pl; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia 
> Foundation Board
> 
> It is good to see her back on board again, Maria Khosh Umadi (welcome back
> in Farsi)
> 
> Mardetanha
> 
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> >
> > > If I remember well (not willing to check), Maria got the most of the
> > > votes on the elections (more than any of the elected members), which
> > > means that it's fair that she becomes a Board member.
> > >
> > >
> > that is correct. Also, if the voting system relied on a net sum (support
> > votes minus oppose votes) she would have been elected.
> >
> > dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

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It is not just in BBC and numerama, it is all over the web: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Vote_of_no_confidence_on_Arnnon_Geshuri#Press

Bad PR for WMF and WP  :-/

To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
From: kel...@kiwix.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:25:05 +0100
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia 
Community

On 26.01.2016 21:54, Fæ wrote:
> Press coverage like the BBC's this evening which leads with Jimmy
> Wales' face, have damaged the WMF's reputation and our projects that
> rely on "Wikimedia" remaining a trusted name.[1][2]
 
Published today on numerama.com, top digital news web site (2 millions
visitors/month and primary information source for people interested in
digital liberties, net neutrality, etc.) in France:
http://www.numerama.com/business/141371-wikipedia-secoue-par-une-nomination-contestee.html
 
If I remember how WMUK was "treated" by a few WMF representatives during
the Bamkin's controversy I can only state that their is a two-tiers
evaluation system of this kind or crisis.
 
Emmanuel
-- 
Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more
* Web: http://www.kiwix.org
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline
* more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication
 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

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I am not satisfied at all by this update. I have the feeling the Board want to 
wait until the community cools down. The boar was very fast in kicking out 
James for no obvious reason. But for removing Arnnon Geshuri (per community 
consensus, after a lot of drama) weeks are needed.  The Board and all other 
Functionary positions only exist because the community has written articles 
etc.  Now you, the Board, want ignore the community? Seriously? I have the 
feeling that the WMF is some sort of a autocracy right now. WMF schould be 
democratic. The community is not trolling the WMF, they simple care about 
wikimedia projects.

Geshuri must be removed from the Board ASAP. Community consensus to do so 
exists. Again: Please don't ignore the community.

--Steinsplitter

> From: awieg...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:14:07 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board
> 
> Dear all,
> the Board has read your messages and is discussing the concerns you have
> raised about Arnnon Geshuri’s appointment. We need to consider all
> information and we have conversations among ourselves. Arnnon and the board
> are listening to your worries and talking with community members,
> considering people's opinions and his own next steps.
> 
> In the recent round of appointments, the Board identified that we needed
> support and expertise in two areas: financial oversight and planning, and
> human resources. Kelly and Arnnon were identified through the process,
> reviewed alongside other nominees, and selected as finalists based on their
> expertise and backgrounds. We all agreed they were excellent candidates and
> people, and supported their progress as finalists.
> 
> We understand this conversation will continue, and we will continue to
> monitor it. However, we want to be clear that the Board approved Arnnon
> unanimously and still believes he is a valuable member of the team.
> 
> Please see this as a brief update. We owe you a more detailed response, and
> we plan to come back to you with more information soon.
> 
> Alice.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alice Wiegand
> Board of Trustees
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

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I want + Fae's recent post which is attached below.


> From: fae...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:54:03 +
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia   
> Community
> 
> On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri  wrote:
> ...
> > Regarding the concerns that have been raised, I have listened closely.
> > That said, in my opinion, there are some misconceptions and there are
> > mitigating considerations.
> 
> There are black and white facts which make you unsuitable to be a WMF
> trustee, and which the board of trustees who appointed you were not
> all aware of beforehand because you did not think that your key role
> in the antitrust scandal was an issue of ethics worth explaining. Your
> email statement does not address these key problems and manages to use
> a lot of peacock prose which when struck out amounts to "Wikimedians
> should move along now, nothing to see".
> 
> Press coverage like the BBC's this evening which leads with Jimmy
> Wales' face, have damaged the WMF's reputation and our projects that
> rely on "Wikimedia" remaining a trusted name.[1][2] As Pine has stated
> here, "your membership on the Board presents significant and
> unnecessary risks", though the fact is that your failure to resign
> gracefully is not a risk, but a major incident and an embarrassment.
> 
> Resign your unpaid trusteeship now, as you should have done a
> fortnight ago, and save your fellow trustees the indignity of trying
> to justify their bad governance in your appointment, rather than
> honestly admit failure and reverse their decision.
> 
> Links
> 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35411208
> 2. 
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/editors-demand-ouster-of-wikimedia-board-member-involved-in-no-poach-deal/
> 
> P.S. How is that nobody can work out who nominated/invited Geshuri for
> the trustee position? There can be little doubt that they knew of his
> chequered past when they did so.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

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Magnus moved Wikipedia forward by coding mediawiki.

And he is still creating useful tools. Thanks Magnus for your hard work!

We can be proud to have Magnus in the Wikimedia movement.



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[Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

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I found http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/670044

Just FYI for all those who don't read all mailinglists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHlksSfMEE
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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I think Mr. Geshuri schould comment on the issue.


And
I don't know Mr. Geshuri, have never seen editing him.  So i can't trust him, 
especially after the google scandal.

> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:21:03 -0800
> From: petefors...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in 
> anticompetitive agreements in Google
> 
> Anders, thank you for your thoughtful message; I understand your position
> much better now, and see much to agree with:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Anders Wennersten 
> wrote:
> 
> > I used the word Superprotect but could just as well said the disastrous
> > implementation of Visual Editor, which definitely  was not the doing of
> > Lila. And the very positive response to Community Wishlist i have read on
> > this list (and on the talkpages), I have not co,me across any real negative
> > feedback.across
> >
> 
> Yes, I agree -- the organization's software development processes are
> improved under Lila's leadership. Significant positive steps have been
> taken, no question -- and she certainly deserves some credit for that.
> 
> I am happy to read that there were several in the tech org who initiated
> > this, and that there is a positive feeling of it. I was 25 years ago for
> > seven years was a manager of a org developing sw tools for 3000 sw
> > developer (very similar the WMF setup)  and I went through the process of
> > going from inside-out.  And I learned that the setup of "wishlists" etc was
> > the easy part. I learned that when this was in place the internal org and
> > roles had to be redefined (it was not upwards you had to look what to
> > implement but to the community).
> 
> 
> I don't know for sure, but my impression is that in this case, much of this
> has been done simultaneously; internal structures have been changing
> alongside the processes for community engagement. I expect there is much
> credit for that to be shared among various parties, including Lila.
> 
> And there were a lot of squeaks before the org got sorted out, but then the
> > people got very stimulated working in a outside-in organisation.
> >
> 
> Glad to hear of this experience.
> 
> 
> > And from this perspective I actually think the Board made a very good work
> > identifying the competence Geshuri has which I believe is just what the
> > Board and WMF needs just now.
> 
> 
> That very well may be the case. I do not have a strong opinion on Mr.
> Geshuri's competencies, and am happy to defer to your more-informed
> perspective. I am heartened to hear that the Board may have done good work
> in identifying and addressing certain missing competencies (even if there
> may be separate issues with the specific choice).
> 
> I do think there are two significant issues with Mr. Geshuri's appointment,
> though -- the second of which has not been brought up yet:
> (1) The Board did not apparently do basic due diligence in looking into his
> background
> (2) Mr. Geshuri himself did not highlight the Google firing issue to the
> board prior to his appointment, which makes me wonder about his judgment.
> 
> The problems associated with him is already identified and I am not denying
> > these, but please give the Board also credit for their good work, not just
> > blaming when (and if) they make mistakes
> 
> 
> I am happy to do so, but I must say -- so much of the board's work is
> invisible to me, that I rarely have enough information to do so.
> 
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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If it is true what is wroten thre: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri 

... then i think that Arnnon Geshuri schould be removed from the board ASAP.


With best regards,

> From: fae...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:31:38 +
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wmfbo...@wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in 
> anticompetitive agreements in Google
> 
> Dear Patricio Lorente,
> 
> You can read a neat summary of Arnnon Geshuri's part in unlawful
> activities at Google at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri. This
> included Geshuri encouraging other organizations to take part in the
> anticompetitive scheme, and firing Google employees who failed to
> comply with the unlawful policies he implemented. It was determined in
> court that Geshuri's actions damaged the careers of thousands of
> people.
> 
> There is no doubt that Arnnon Geshuri should resign as a trustee for
> the Wikimedia Foundation, and your board made a serious mistake in his
> appointment. It is time for an independent governance review to shine
> light on these problems.
> 
> I look forward to your public statement.
> 
> Fae
> 
> 
> On 7 January 2016 at 10:38, Fæ  wrote:
> > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> >
> > I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
> > comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
> > despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
> > on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
> > Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.
> >
> > This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
> > discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
> > light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
> > of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
> > the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
> > transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
> > with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
> > board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
> > account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
> > transparency.
> >
> > Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
> > 1. 
> > http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > 2. 
> > http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
> > 3. 
> > http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
> > 4. 
> > https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does
> >
> > Yours sincerely,
> > Fae
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Andrew Green 
> > Date: 7 January 2016 at 08:58
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> >
> >
> > Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
> > affair: 
> > http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> >
> > - Andrew
> -- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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(FYI) ... there is a discussion about Arnnon Geshuri at german signpost 
talkpage as well 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#Das_neue_Kuratoriumsmittglied_Arnnon_Geshuri

> From: steinsplitter-w...@live.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 12:37:41 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in 
> anticompetitive agreements in Google
> 
> If it is true what is wroten thre: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri 
> 
> ... then i think that Arnnon Geshuri schould be removed from the board ASAP.
> 
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> > From: fae...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:31:38 +
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wmfbo...@wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in 
> > anticompetitive agreements in Google
> > 
> > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> > 
> > You can read a neat summary of Arnnon Geshuri's part in unlawful
> > activities at Google at
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri. This
> > included Geshuri encouraging other organizations to take part in the
> > anticompetitive scheme, and firing Google employees who failed to
> > comply with the unlawful policies he implemented. It was determined in
> > court that Geshuri's actions damaged the careers of thousands of
> > people.
> > 
> > There is no doubt that Arnnon Geshuri should resign as a trustee for
> > the Wikimedia Foundation, and your board made a serious mistake in his
> > appointment. It is time for an independent governance review to shine
> > light on these problems.
> > 
> > I look forward to your public statement.
> > 
> > Fae
> > 
> > 
> > On 7 January 2016 at 10:38, Fæ  wrote:
> > > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> > >
> > > I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
> > > comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
> > > despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
> > > on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
> > > Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.
> > >
> > > This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
> > > discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
> > > light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
> > > of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
> > > the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
> > > transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
> > > with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
> > > board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
> > > account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
> > > transparency.
> > >
> > > Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
> > > 1. 
> > > http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > > 2. 
> > > http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
> > > 3. 
> > > http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
> > > 4. 
> > > https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does
> > >
> > > Yours sincerely,
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Andrew Green 
> > > Date: 7 January 2016 at 08:58
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
> > > affair: 
> > > http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > >
> > > - Andrew
> > -- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Kelly Battles and Arnnon Geshuri join Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

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Are both members of the community? I see no username.

From: sl...@wikimedia.org
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:27:30 -0800
To: press-rele...@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Kelly Battles and Arnnon 
Geshuri join Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

This press release is also available online 
here:https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Kelly_Battles_and_Arnnon_Geshuri_join_Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees
And as a blog post here:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/01/05/new-wikimedia-foundation-trustees/


Kelly Battles and Arnnon Geshuri join Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
New Trustees bring deep financial, operational, and organizational development 
expertise to Wikimedia’s free knowledge mission 
San Francisco -- January 5, 2016 -- Today the Wikimedia Foundation announced 
two new members to its Board of Trustees: Kelly Battles and Arnnon Geshuri. The 
new Trustees bring deep expertise in strategy and financial oversight, and 
diversity and organizational development, as well as a commitment to advancing 
Wikimedia’s vision of free knowledge for the world. 
“We considered dozens of candidates from all over the world, with 
not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest professional 
standards.” said Dariusz Jemielniak, Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board 
Governance Committee and Board Trustee. “Kelly's finance and auditing skills 
will be essential to the Board’s oversight and budgeting responsibilities. 
Arnnon's expertise in talent development and cultural diversity will be 
indispensable for the development of the Wikimedia Foundation, and 
communications and transparency within the Wikimedia movement. We look forward 
to partnering with them.”
A veteran financial executive, Kelly brings more than 25 years of experience in 
financial management and administrative oversight for leading technology 
companies and non-profit organizations. She currently serves as Chief Financial 
Officer of Bracket Computing, a cloud virtualization company in Mountain View, 
California. Her earlier roles included Chief Financial Officer at Host 
Analytics, Vice President of Finance at IronPort, and Director of Strategy and 
Corporate Development at Hewlett Packard.
“As a non-profit supporting one of the most popular websites in the world, the 
Wikimedia Foundation has a unique responsibility to practice transparent, 
effective stewardship of donor resources,” said Kelly. “I am excited to lend my 
financial and strategic experience to an organization dedicated to making 
knowledge more freely available to the world.”
Arnnon brings more than 20 years of experience in developing strong 
organizational cultures with diverse, passionate employees. He is currently the 
VP of Human Resources  at Tesla Motors, where he shepherds Tesla’s unique 
culture and oversees all global people operations, analytics, and staffing. 
Before joining Tesla, Arnnon served as Senior Director of HR and Staffing at 
Google, where he built the company’s talent acquisition and diversity strategy, 
growing the organization to more than 20,000 people in five years. Earlier in 
his career, Arnnon served as Vice President of People Operations and Director 
of Global Staffing at E*TRADE Financial. 
“I have always believed in the power of open, transparent knowledge. Wikipedia 
represents some of the best aspects of our changing world: deeper knowledge, 
collaboration, and, ultimately, understanding,” said Arnnon. “This opportunity 
is a true privilege for me and I am thrilled to help support this powerful 
mission.”
“Kelly and Arnnon bring a special combination of expertise, integrity, and love 
for our mission. From Arnnon’s people and culture expertise to Kelly’s strong 
financial management background, both members bring valuable skills to 
strengthen our Board and help grow the Wikimedia movement for future 
generations. Most importantly, they bring a deep commitment to making knowledge 
more freely available for people around the world,” said executive director 
Lila Tretikov.
Kelly and Arnnon were approved unanimously by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of 
Trustees. Both terms are effective Jan 1, 2016 and will last for two years. 
Please see the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees for complete biographies. 
About the Wikimedia Foundation
The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that supports and 
operates Wikipedia. Wikipedia attracts more than 15 billion page views each 
month. Every month roughly 75,000 people edit Wikipedia, collectively creating, 
improving, and maintaining its more than 35 million articles across hundreds of 
languages -- all of which makes Wikipedia one of the most popular web 
properties in the world. Based in San Francisco, California, the Wikimedia 
Foundation is a 501(c)(3) charity that is funded primarily through donations 
and grants.
Wikimedia Foundation Press Contact 
Katherine Maher+1 415-839-6885 ext 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Kelly Battles and Arnnon Geshuri are Volunteers? 

I am not able to find the volunteer  account of both.

With best regards,
Steinsplitter


> From: kikkocrist...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:55:14 +0100
> To: dar...@alk.edu.pl; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> 
> 2016-01-06 2:01 GMT+01:00 Dariusz Jemielniak :
> > As Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board Governance Committee, I am happy
> > to introduce the two newest members of our Board of Trustees: Kelly Battles
> > and Arnnon Geshuri.
> 
> I realize that my previous email was not the best welcome.
> 
> Welcome Kelly and Arnnon to the vibrant (very very very vibrant,
> probably beyond the "flammable" line) Wikimedia world.
> 
> C
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees

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I asked if and Arnnon Geshuri are Volunteers. Because there is nothing in the 
bio like "editor since 2011" for example.

Maybe both have disclosed his volunteer account, i don't know. Therefore i ask.


Calling a simple question "attempted outing" is ridiculous.

> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> From: k...@ktchan.info
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:55:41 +
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> 
> On 06/01/2016 16:02, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> >
> > Kelly Battles and Arnnon Geshuri are Volunteers?
> >
> > I am not able to find the volunteer  account of both.
> 
> Since when is (attempted) outing okay because the people involved are 
> trustees?
> 
> KTC
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

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I agree with Andy.

Well, if it is not a election pursuant to bylaws IV (3c) why it was always 
announced as such [1]. So it was de-facto a election. Wasn't it?

(imho) It is Ethically it is not okay to remove a "elected" member whiteout 
public discussion.

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/Board_elections/2015


> From: a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:05:25 +
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
> 
> On 2 January 2016 at 10:41, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
> 
> > The Baylaws call them " Community-selected Trustees" - not elected (sec. 3c
> > of art. IV) .
> 
> But - as I pointed out earlier - the language used in public-and
> community facing communications refers to "elections"; and - as I also
> pointed out - this should be changed to correct the false impression
> that is being given..
> 
> -- 
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> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

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The removal is not transparent at all.

Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words different.

Very disappointing.

> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself, at least
> > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to be able
> > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> > Trustees bylaws explicitly allow for removal of a member, with or without
> > cause. Unlike in older Board resolutions, there's a clear public
> > accounting of how each of the Board members voted (as opposed to simple
> > numeric totals). James posted that he will work with Patricio to provide
> 
> like others on this thread i think the WMF bylaws are broken in this
> respect. not legally broken, but morally. i'd love to vote for a
> trustee, and i'd love to reverse my decision in case a sufficient
> party is not happy. if in this case james does not want to have a
> public discussion he is free to resign. if the board thinks it cannot
> work with james anymore, and is able to remove him without him beeing
> ok with it, without public discussion, then i do not find it
> transparent.
> 
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> rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Why not using a existing survey tool like limesurvey?

I am wondering if we need all this surveys...

> From: p858sn...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:31:43 +1000
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> 
> E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com
> > wrote:
> 
> > Some thoughts:
> > Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was
> > concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice
> > banner.
> >
> > I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
> >
> > To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used,
> > especially in central noticed.
> >
> > It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
> >
> > I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other
> > question...
> >
> > Best,
> > :-)
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> > > From: petefors...@gmail.com
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> > >
> > > This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> > > morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> > > Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley <pear...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Itzik,
> > > >
> > > > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > > > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> > the
> > > > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> > to
> > > > that if they wanted to read it.
> > > >
> > > > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
> > It
> > > > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > > > >
> > > > > Mardetanha
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > > > notify
> > > > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > > > click
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > > > aspect
> > > > > > here).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Bence
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> > harassment on
> > > > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> > that's
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> > GLAM
> > > > and
> > > > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

What gnangarra has wroten is soo true...

100% agree
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:23:29 +0800
> From: gnanga...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update
> 
> I think the PR people really need to be more reflective in the reasons and
> uses of the donations in their messages because its rather easy to show the
> inconsistancy between the message and the use of donated funds... IMHO some
> of the drop off in donations is due to this lack reflectivity in the
> messages being sent .
> 
> 
> even the simplest throw away tag in almost every  banner  of "lets us get
> to back to  improving wikipedia" doesnt hold as everyone knows WMF doesnt
> have any control over content and therefore cant improve it, very little of
> the fu nds ever trickles down to coal face where the contributors are.
> 
> On 4 November 2015 at 10:04, Pine W  wrote:
> 
> > (Sorry, something went awry with my mail client. Let's try this again to
> > keep the thread intact).
> >
> > Besides what readers think when they're fully informed, I'm also concerned
> > about the legal issues surrounding the fundraising. IANAL, but I have a
> > feeling that consumer protection attorneys may take an interest if they
> > feel that there is a meaningful disconnect between what messages FR conveys
> > and (1) how the funds are actually spent and/or (2) the overall financial
> > health of WMF. Let's avoid inflicting legal costs and PR damage on
> > ourselves, please. (:
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Gruwell 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, we have drilled down on this more in our research to better
> > > > understand what our readers think on this topic.  We should have more
> > to
> > > > share on that in a week or two.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What readers think about this topic will very much depend on what
> > > information they have been given.
> > >
> > > You need to find out what readers think who know
> > >
> > > 1. the cost of Internet hosting relative to the total budget (about 3
> > > percent);
> > > 2. that you took five times as much money last year as you took five
> > years
> > > ago;
> > > 3. how much money the Foundation has in cash and investments;
> > > 4. that the number of paid staff has increased more than twentyfold since
> > > 2007;
> > > 5. how the vastly increased spending is affecting reader experience.
> > >
> > > Do you know what readers who know all of this think about the banners?
> > Have
> > > there been focus groups with donors who were given all of this
> > information?
> > >
> > > This is necessary to make sure that when (not if) readers do find all of
> > > this information out, there won't be a storm of protest from people who
> > > feel they were misled as to the Foundation's financial situation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

A small poll on meta would be enough.

> From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> 
> If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I do.
> 
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 people?
> > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <josephfoxw...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no
> > > longer
> > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus
> > about
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> > > community.
> > > >
> > >
> > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since
> > that
> > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that it's
> > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people rather
> > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am disappointed
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > > > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> > > > >
> > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal
> > > has
> > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process
> > that
> > > > > completed this past August. [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new
> > method
> > > > > before it was a done deal.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Nathan
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m:

Common sense.

> From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> 
> Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll on
> meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views of
> the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or we come
> up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not be
> representative enough.
> 
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
> 
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> 
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> 
> On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > A small poll on meta would be enough.
> >
> > > From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> > >
> > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I do.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 people?
> > > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <josephfoxw...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no
> > > > > longer
> > > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus
> > > > about
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since
> > > > that
> > > > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that
> > it's
> > > > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people
> > rather
> > > > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am disappointed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > > > > > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> > Signpost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that
> > Montreal
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret
> > process
> > > > that
> > > > > > > completed this past August. [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new
> > > > method
> > > > > > > before it was a done deal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Nathan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

> I trust in a small number of capable and active people trusted with a
> concrete task.

Seriously? I trust the community. 

Imho the community has more trust then a small group of functionary's.


Apart from that, i agree with Steffen Prößdorf (thanks for posting your 
concerns).

--Stein

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:33:01 +0200
> From: zvand...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> 
> 2015-10-05 18:16 GMT+02:00 Nathan :
> 
> > The WCA council was a bureaucratic mess that seemed almost doomed from its
> > inception. I think the comparison is inapt.
> >
> 
> No, there was hardly any "bureaucracy", the problem was that Council
> members did not met their tasks, did not show up at votings etc.
> 
> I trust in a small number of capable and active people trusted with a
> concrete task. That is realistic, that works. People get along the
> best and come to the best results when everybody knows about what is
> expected from them.
> 
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

To be honest: I am not surprised at all.

Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no longer care 
about the community, even if there is huge community consensus about something. 

Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the community.

I am disappointed

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> From: nawr...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> 
> Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal has
> been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process that
> completed this past August. [1]
> 
> It seems like the community could have been looped into this new method
> before it was a done deal.
> 
> ~Nathan
> 
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014-15 Wikimedia Fundraising Report

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75 million. WMF has now enough money for how much years? So we don't need 
Fundraising next year?

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 03:36:16 +0200
> From: mhernan...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] 2014-15 Wikimedia Fundraising Report
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> The fundraising team is happy to share the report on the 2014-15 fiscal
> year fundraising.  Please take a look at the report
>  and we
> look forward to your feedback on the report talk page
> .
> 
> Thank you to Wikimedia volunteers, readers, donors, staff and fundraising
> team for making this the most successful year yet.
> 
> Megan Hernandez
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames

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Hoi,

"Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in 
Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata."   
Seriously? RobotWiki? Do we really want this? Quality, not quantity. 

> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:35:31 +0200
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames
> 
> Hoi,
> As always I have been a big fan of the wonderful work that has been done.
> My reaction was very much for what I perceived as a negative reaction from
> Ricordisamoa. Telling you to stop and become part of Wikidata is a bit off.
> Asking for collaboration and work towards a common goal, a goal that you
> very much want to share as I perceive it in your reply is most wonderful
> and most welcome.
> 
> When your data is at a quality level where you create stubs, it is very
> much at the level where we should have it in Wikidata. Obviously it is for
> the Swedish community to have the stubs or experiment with cached articles
> based on Wikidata data. Obviously, we are at a point where we can create
> the stubs and where caching concepts is technically feasible but not
> something we have done so far.
> 
> What does it take to have such an experiment?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
> 
> On 6 September 2015 at 11:23, Anders Wennersten 
> wrote:
> 
> > At svwp we work closely with Wikidata and see it as the natural base for
> > our article substance. And we follow closely Phabricator and are eager to
> > implement it as soon as it will be feasible to implement. And Lsjbot is in
> > no way counteractive to these. It will be easy to exchange Lsjbot article
> > with Phabricator generated ones when time is right.
> >
> > But I believe you miss the point with what Lsjbot is doing now.  The
> > extensive research etc done on data in Geonames is one of the crucial
> > efforts. And in a way all this generation project is a research on the
> > viability to use this data for full in all language versions. If it still
> > is seen as viable we could extend our article coverage for geographical
> > entities with a factor 10 in all versions. And this research is a must even
> > independently of which technique is used to generate the articles.
> >
> > The other crucial effort is the extended intelligence built into the
> > generation of  facts in the articles. To find out close by physical object
> > by clever algorithms is a intellectual effort of highest dignity. First
> > when bot generating was introduced, it was more or less a mapping of items
> > from input to items in output (in articles). We now see how more info is
> > created by info only implicit existing in input and where it is combined
> > with external (map) data
> >
> > I can not enough press on how much I am impressed by Sverkers outstanding
> > intellectual effort and his creativity in implementing and running software
> > that is of great help reaching our common vision "free knowledge for all".
> >
> >  Anders
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Den 2015-09-06 kl. 08:50, skrev Gerard Meijssen:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> PLEASE reconsider. A Wikidata based solution is not superior because it
> >> started from Wikidata.
> >>
> >> PLEASE consider collaboration. It will be so much more powerful when
> >> LSJBOT
> >> and people at Wikidata collaborate. It will get things right the first
> >> time. It does not have to be perfect from the start as long as it gets
> >> better over time. As long as we always work on improving the data.
> >>
> >> PLEASE consider text generation based on Wikidata. They are the scripts
> >> LSJBOT uses, they can help us improve the text when more or better
> >> information becomes available.
> >> Thanks,
> >>   GerardM
> >>
> >> On 6 September 2015 at 08:25, Ricordisamoa 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Proper data-based stubs are being worked on:
> >>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1416/
> >>> Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>> Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical
>  related items from all over the world.
> 
>  Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several
>  months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and
>  notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard (and
>  these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most areas.  In
>  the discussion  I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names
>  should
>  be transcribed differently depending on its geographic location. And I
>  was
>  fascinated of the question of notability of wells in the Bahrain desert
>  (which in the end was excluded, mostly because we knew too little of
>  that
>  reality)
> 
>  In this run Lsjbot has extended its functionality even further then when
>  it 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

so sorry to see you go :-(. I hope you recover soon!

> From: phili...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> Six years is a long time.  Over the last six years, I've been privileged to
> be a part of so many things with you.  And I'm proud of what we've done
> together.  For the last six years, I've been a part of things that will
> excite me until the day that I die - the things that, together, we did in
> service of that phrase - "the sum of human knowledge" - were magical.  I'll
> never forget them, and I've been honored to be a part of this movement.
> 
> But it's time for me to move on.
> 
> As many of you know, for the last couple of years, I've struggled with my
> health.  I've come to the unpleasant realization that for my own good, I
> need to step back and focus on healing, and then look around for new and
> exciting opportunities.
> 
> When Sue left, she said that her decision process included looking around
> and taking stock of the people and the condition of the Foundation, and
> asking herself "Is it safe? If I leave, is it safe?" and when she knew it
> was, she began to consider the idea.
> 
> I've been doing the same, obviously focused on projects and programs that
> are important to me.  And I look around and I know that with the
> contributors that we have - brilliant, dedicated, passionate people and
> the staff that we have - dynamic, talented, devoted, and fearless it's
> safe.  So it's time for me to move on, and to leave it to them.
> 
> As a housekeeping note:  I've agreed with Luis that I'll be available until
> 9/15, though I'll be out on medical leave, so may be slow to answer
> questions.  If I owe you something, please remind me so that we can get it
> properly assigned out.
> 
> You can all reach out to me at any time... phili...@beaudette.me and
> any time I see you will be a celebration.
> 
> With my deepest affection,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> *Philippe Beaudette * \\  Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
> Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

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WMF has a loot of money, i am not sure if the goal of this time is really 
needed.

> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:53:21 -0700
> From: wiki.p...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; andrea.za...@wikimedia.it; 
> lvi...@wikimedia.org; lgruw...@wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in 
> Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
> 
> Thank you, Andrea, Romaine, Lisa, and Luis.
> 
> Lisa, if you're interested, I'm happy to brainstorm with you off-list about
> some alternatives to help WMF Fundraising meet its goals.
> 
> Pine
> On Aug 30, 2015 1:21 PM, "Andrea Zanni" <zanni.andre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello everybody.
> > I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to run
> > the Fundraising banner in Italy during September.
> >
> > In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board worked
> > hard together to find a common solution. In these very last days, we
> > continued a very honest and direct conversation.
> > I just received the news, and I'm glad to share it with you all.
> >
> > I personally think that the Fundraising Team made a brave move (as they
> > will not likely meet the fundraising goals), and would love to see it
> > welcomed with the respect it deserves.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you Romaine for setting up the RFC on meta [1]!
> > >
> > > So we can see what the community thinks about this.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200
> > > > From: romaine.w...@gmail.com
> > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org;
> > > wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments
> > > in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it
> > is
> > > > time to ask the Wikimedia community what they think about this
> > > situation. I
> > > > have especially seen both parties, the Wiki Loves Monuments organising
> > > > teams who like to have a banner for Wiki Loves Monuments in September,
> > > and
> > > > the WMF Fundraising team who likes to have a fundraising banner in
> > > > September. Then the question remains: what has more value for the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > movement?
> > > >
> > > > To find out what the Wikimedia community thinks about this situation, I
> > > > have set up this Request for Comment:
> > > >
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner
> > > >
> > > > Romaine
> > > >
> > > > 2015-08-30 15:35 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > New update:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Italian team had some calls with the fundraising team and it
> > > resulted
> > > > > in:
> > > > > * Wiki Loves Monuments gets the whole 4th week of September. So we
> > will
> > > > > have the WLM banner alone the first and the last week.
> > > > > * WLM IT is discussing with the community a message in the Main Page
> > of
> > > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > * WMF will try to put a link to WLM in the banner
> > > > > * WMF will put a link to WLM in the Thank You letter for donors.
> > > > > * WMF is helping WLM Italy with a blogpost in the blog, and social
> > > media
> > > > > fire
> > > > >
> > > > > They made clear this won't happen again.
> > > > >
> > > > > To me, the only improvements is their promise it won't happen again,
> > > what
> > > > > we certainly keep them having their promise in future, and that the
> > > amount
> > > > > of time the Wiki Loves Monuments banner is shown will be 50% of the
> > > time.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rest of the outcomes is lousy and they sold 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

I 100% agree with rupert's thoughts.

Wiki(p|m)edia was and is mad be volunteers, therefore volunteer first should 
apply. Volunteers are contributing the content for exactly zero dollars per 
hour. It is all because of free knowledge and other stuff, but not about money. 
It looks like money is fore some people moor important than free knowledge. It 
is frustrating...

Regards,
Steinsplitter

 From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:35:46 +0200
 To: janb...@wikimedia.org; patricio.lore...@gmail.com; me.ly...@gmail.com; 
 ubifri...@gmail.com; jmh...@gmail.com; dar...@alk.edu.pl; 
 denny.vrande...@kit.edu; jwa...@wikia.com; s...@wikimedia.org
 CC: wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in 
 Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
 
 dear board,
 
 allow me to directly ask you to stop these fundraising persons to spoil
 wiki loves monuments because of less than intelligent KPIs. WMF cannot and
 should not behave like an elephant in the porcelain shop. there is a simple
 technical solution to the problem below, to have a combined banner for WLM
 and donation. it is impossible that more money at stake as is covered by
 the reserves, isn't it? i am really lacking words here ... the only ones i
 could find would not be compliant with the friendly space policy. if we as
 movement do not follow through the volunteer first rule than it is better
 to dissolve WMF, or split it in two parts, one holding the rights to the
 web URLs, i.e. right to banner, the other one employing all the people
 doing some work.
 
 best,
 rupert
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hello everyone.
  Sorry for the long mail but we wanted to explain the situation for
  Wikimedia Italia.
  The conversation is going on and it's better to clear some important
  points.
 
  In the second week of August Wikimedia Italia has been contacted by
  Kalliope Tsouroupidou and later by Jessica Robell, who explained that the
  Wikimedia Foundation was planning to have a fundraising campaign in Italy
  in September.
  We have been surprised by that, since Wiki Loves Monuments is well-known to
  run in September, and it has been like that for years.
  Moreover, there has been a similar clash in 2014:  we discussed for several
  days, and in the end we reached a compromise, and the FR banners went live
  just for the last days.
  It was not perfect, but we had WLM banners for almost all September.
  This year the clash is on the whole month of September. Given the history,
  and the very fact that Wikimedia Italia has planned WLM and written so in
  the FDC application, we feel that WMIT has not been negligible in matters
  of
  communication.
  We are not *happy* with the situation,
  the very existence of the clash, the fact that all this appeared in the
  middle of August, while we were all on holiday and just few weeks before
  the beginning of WLM.
  We just decided not to pick up a fight, as we believe in constructive
  conversation and negotiation.
  The agreement we reached is very painful for WMIT and WLM: it's just better
  than not having the banners at all, or to have them for just a few days in
  the middle of September.
  Conversations with the FR team has been firm, but polite: this does not
  mean that we are happy about what is happening.
  Moreover, we will have to discuss with FDC to renegotiate expected results
  for WLM in 2015.
 
  Having the fundraising campaign in September in Italy has a clear negative
  impact on Wiki Loves Monuments, the largest project of Wikimedia Italia.
  This will not only likely reduce the number of participants and uploaded
  pictures, but will also put us in a difficult position in front of our
  sponsors and partners, including 200+ municipalities, 100+ cultural
  institutions, and some major partners, like FIAF (the Federation of Italian
  photographers' associations), ICOM (the International Council of Museums),
  the Toscana Foto Festival (a major photo festival), Touring Club Italiano
  (the largest Italian touristic association), and others. WMIT spends
  thousands of euros in WLM each year - not because we waste money, but
  because we have higher stakes.
 
  This year, we will have in the Italian Jury international renowned
  photographers like (prabably: yet to be confirmed) Steve McCurry (
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McCurry) and Franco Fontana (
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Fontana).
  This year, in June, we were received by several politicians from the
  Italian Parliament for an official meeting regarding the law we are
  fighting
  as WMIT.
 
  Because of the specific challenges we face, WLM in Italy goes beyond being
  a photographic competition and is also an opportunity to create
  relationships and advocate for the freedom of taking pictures of monuments.
 
  Italy does not have freedom of 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

 someone involved who has years of experience in this
  matter, otherwise you loose and the whole community looses.
 
  But I think the best lesson learned is: with every blocking banner, let
  the community publicly decide what should be chosen.
 
  Romaine
 
 
 
 
  2015-08-30 14:00 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-w...@live.com
  :
 
  I 100% agree with rupert's thoughts.
 
  Wiki(p|m)edia was and is mad be volunteers, therefore volunteer first
  should apply. Volunteers are contributing the content for exactly zero
  dollars per hour. It is all because of free knowledge and other stuff, but
  not about money. It looks like money is fore some people moor important
  than free knowledge. It is frustrating...
 
  Regards,
  Steinsplitter
 
   From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com
   Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:35:46 +0200
   To: janb...@wikimedia.org; patricio.lore...@gmail.com;
  me.ly...@gmail.com; ubifri...@gmail.com; jmh...@gmail.com;
  dar...@alk.edu.pl; denny.vrande...@kit.edu; jwa...@wikia.com;
  s...@wikimedia.org
   CC: wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org;
  wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
   Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments
  in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
  
   dear board,
  
   allow me to directly ask you to stop these fundraising persons to spoil
   wiki loves monuments because of less than intelligent KPIs. WMF cannot
  and
   should not behave like an elephant in the porcelain shop. there is a
  simple
   technical solution to the problem below, to have a combined banner for
  WLM
   and donation. it is impossible that more money at stake as is covered by
   the reserves, isn't it? i am really lacking words here ... the only
  ones i
   could find would not be compliant with the friendly space policy. if we
  as
   movement do not follow through the volunteer first rule than it is
  better
   to dissolve WMF, or split it in two parts, one holding the rights to the
   web URLs, i.e. right to banner, the other one employing all the people
   doing some work.
  
   best,
   rupert
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
  
   wrote:
  
Hello everyone.
Sorry for the long mail but we wanted to explain the situation for
Wikimedia Italia.
The conversation is going on and it's better to clear some important
points.
   
In the second week of August Wikimedia Italia has been contacted by
Kalliope Tsouroupidou and later by Jessica Robell, who explained that
  the
Wikimedia Foundation was planning to have a fundraising campaign in
  Italy
in September.
We have been surprised by that, since Wiki Loves Monuments is
  well-known to
run in September, and it has been like that for years.
Moreover, there has been a similar clash in 2014:  we discussed for
  several
days, and in the end we reached a compromise, and the FR banners went
  live
just for the last days.
It was not perfect, but we had WLM banners for almost all September.
This year the clash is on the whole month of September. Given the
  history,
and the very fact that Wikimedia Italia has planned WLM and written
  so in
the FDC application, we feel that WMIT has not been negligible in
  matters
of
communication.
We are not *happy* with the situation,
the very existence of the clash, the fact that all this appeared in
  the
middle of August, while we were all on holiday and just few weeks
  before
the beginning of WLM.
We just decided not to pick up a fight, as we believe in constructive
conversation and negotiation.
The agreement we reached is very painful for WMIT and WLM: it's just
  better
than not having the banners at all, or to have them for just a few
  days in
the middle of September.
Conversations with the FR team has been firm, but polite: this does
  not
mean that we are happy about what is happening.
Moreover, we will have to discuss with FDC to renegotiate expected
  results
for WLM in 2015.
   
Having the fundraising campaign in September in Italy has a clear
  negative
impact on Wiki Loves Monuments, the largest project of Wikimedia
  Italia.
This will not only likely reduce the number of participants and
  uploaded
pictures, but will also put us in a difficult position in front of our
sponsors and partners, including 200+ municipalities, 100+ cultural
institutions, and some major partners, like FIAF (the Federation of
  Italian
photographers' associations), ICOM (the International Council of
  Museums),
the Toscana Foto Festival (a major photo festival), Touring Club
  Italiano
(the largest Italian touristic association), and others. WMIT spends
thousands of euros in WLM each year - not because we waste money, but
because we have higher stakes.
   
This year, we will have in the Italian Jury international renowned
photographers like (prabably: yet to be confirmed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

 (...) The Wikimedia Foundation is too much
 de-attached from the community.

This is so true, Romaine! Especially the new staffer who never edited wikipedia 
before becoming staffer.

 Of course there is also wmf staff closely involved in the community and doing 
a great job. It is always a pleasure to do stuff together with them! Really.

 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:59:46 +0200
 From: romaine.w...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in 
 Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
 
 I think you describe the essence of the problem: there is a big gap between
 the community and the Wikimedia Foundation.
 
 I have a long list of problems from the past years that all seem to
 originate in this basic problem. The Wikimedia Foundation is too much
 de-attached from the community.
 
 At the same time I notice that since last year, Lila is trying to improve
 this situation, but there is a very very long way to go to move the
 Wikimedia Foundation away from the dark side of the moon.
 (To prevent generalisation: I know also a lot of staff in WMF that are
 closely involved in the community and doing a great job in being attached
 with the community.)
 
 Romaine
 
 
 2015-08-21 22:22 GMT+02:00 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net:
 
  From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national
  organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising
  campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both
  WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have
  arisen / could have been resolved locally.
 
  Thanks,
  Mike
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

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Why wmf needs to put a fundraising banner every year on wp. Isn't there enough 
money in Frisco?

Just wondering :)

 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:48:02 +1000
 From: jay...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in 
 Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
 
 Would it be possible for the WLM banner to show on the Main Page only
 during 8-22 September, with the fundraising banner on every other
 page?
 
 --
 John Vandenberg
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

That sounds reasonable.

 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:14:58 -0700
 From: wiki.p...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday
 
 My preference would be to have stewards applying Superprotect rather than
 WMF. There are cases where Superprotect makes sense, but given WMF's
 history with it, I would prefer that it become a community tool.
 
 Pine
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
 
  So maybe it could stay, as a technical office action mechanism, if future
  usage is clearly defined and accepted by the community (TM)?
 
  Not advocating either way here...
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl
  wrote:
 
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   
Yes. It was used a few months ago to prevent editing the Germany item
  on
Wikidata due to a very serious breaking issue. Also on several pages
following legal disputes.
   
Superprotect in my opinion if used correctly is an essential tool which
   can
prevent legal and technical issues that can in theory cause wide
disruption.
   
   
   In my private opinion the technical part of Superprotect has a potential
  to
   be useful, it is the social background (who approves its use, how it can
  be
   used, etc.) that matters and that is the bone of contention (and
  justified
   concerns). I have a hope that we will have it resolved before the next
   anniversary or earlier :)
  
   best,
  
   dariusz pundit
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

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We all know for what the tool was initially created. I am not sure if it
 is ethically okay to keep status quo. Maybe it is time to move on and 
remove the tool or to start a RFC to see if the community want the tool?
 :-)

Not advocating - just some thoughts and either way here... :)


Regards,
Steinsplitter

No comment about Gerard Meijssen's  grin comment. It is explaining itself 
perfectly.

 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:16:37 +1000
 From: cfrank...@halonetwork.net
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday
 
 On 12 August 2015 at 14:41, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote:
 
  ... It has a trail of bad usage it is connected with. ...
 
 
 I'm not sure I agree with that.  There are two known uses.  The first one,
 where a software tool was locked in over the consensus of the community was
 a bad usage I'll agree; if anything the hamfisted way that the whole
 situation was handled just made matters much worse.  The second use,
 locking a page on Wikidata where serious outages were being caused to
 another project, strikes me as a far more reasonable use of the tool.  The
 fact that that usage seems to have been largely unknown until today, and
 didn't garner any controversy, seems to indicate to me that the community
 doesn't find it to be a troubling case.
 
 I'm all for having a discussion over the community's expectations on when
 this tool will be used, but let us not walk down a path of hyperbole and
 exaggeration.
 
 Cheers,
 Craig
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia UK's members elect new trustees

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Congratulations, yes! :-)

 From: trulyt...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:18:33 +0530
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 CC: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia UK's members elect new trustees
 
 Congratulations.
 
 On 28 July 2015 at 10:54, Hasive (Nurunnaby Chowdhury) 
 nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd wrote:
 
  Congratulations new board..
 
  -Hasive
  @nhasive
 
  --
  Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive
  Wikimedia Bangladesh
  @nhasive | www.nhasive.com
  Sent from my Mobile Device
 
  On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Congrats to the new board members and thank you for serving.
  
   Pine
   On Jul 27, 2015 7:30 AM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
  
I am very pleased to announce that at our annual general meeting on
Saturday 25 July the members of Wikimedia UK elected three new trustees
   to
the board from a very strong slate of candidates.
   
Please join me in offering a very warm welcome to Doug Taylor, Nick
  Poole
and Josie Fraser.
   
Doug Taylor will be well known to many readers as a long-standing
  active
Wikimedia volunteer and Lead Trainer for WMUK. He previously served on
   the
board during 2012-13. Doug is a retired teacher and IT professional.
   
Nick Poole is the Chief Executive Officer of the Chartered Institute of
Library and Information Professionals. His previous roles include
  serving
as CEO of the Collections Trust and Chair of the Europeana Network. He
brings extensive knowledge of and influence in the international GLAM
community, and has strong connections to policymakers and funders in
  the
   UK
and Europe.
   
Josie Fraser has for the past five years worked in local government as
   the
strategic technology lead of one of the country's largest and most
accelerated school building programmes. She is an expert in the
relationship between education and technology and a vocal advocate for
   free
and open knowledge.
   
Existing trustees Greyham Dawes (treasurer) and myself (chair) were
re-elected.
   
Three trustees have stepped down from the board: Alastair McCapra, Saad
Choudri and Joseph Seddon. We thank them for their exceptional
  expertise,
commitment and diligence, and we wish them well for the future.
   
With these changes, the new board is as follows:
   
Michael Maggs (board chair, and chair of governance committee)
Simon Knight (vice chair)
Greyham Dawes (treasurer, governance committee, audit and risk
  committee)
Chris Keating (audit and risk committee)
Carol Campbell (chair of audit and risk committee)
Kate West (governance committee, audit and risk committee)
Gill Hamilton
Doug Taylor
Nick Poole
Josie Fraser
   
The new board will formally meet for the first time on Saturday 12
Septemberat the Bodleian Library, Oxford, where officer roles will be
reviewed.
   
Please join me in welcoming the new board.
   
Michael Maggs
   
Chair, Wikimedia UK
   
   
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

The wmf simply can't pursue legal actions against Harald Bischoff for the 
individuals who probably suffered damage. It is up to the community to 
investigate. For example banning him for copyright trolling [1].

A discussion has been started on commons [1].

Apart from that, i find it problematic that Bischoff is claiming to take 
pictures for the wmf on his userpage.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_troll
[2] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Legal_action_resulting_from_photographs_by_Haraldbischoff

 From: jdevre...@wikimedia.org
 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:33:45 +0200
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against
 Harald Bischoff?
 
 Hey Pine ( All)
 
 I think that the statement “there is no harm” in asking the 
 Foundation/chapter staff (legal or otherwise) to do something is not always 
 true.
 
 Every request has at least an “opportunity cost” (meaning there is something 
 else that cannot be done). When there are situations when you genuinely need 
 Foundation staff to answer something that is fine, but I think that Risker is 
 arguing that it is best to wait with a request such as this until you are 
 actually at the point of needing that energy to be spent (when the community 
 discussion has concluded)
 
 I am sympathetic to this because I often see requests coming by which really 
 do not take into account the amount of time it takes to provide an answer. Of 
 course there is always room for legitimate requests but I would encourage 
 everyone to think twice before asking staff members (of the Foundation or 
 their chapter) to commit time on something which might be of personal 
 interest to them, or is a hypothetical situation which might well wait until 
 the situation has become reality.
 
 Jan-Bart
 
 
  On 27 Jul 2015, at 01:03, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  Risker,
  
  James' question is about legal standing. There are also questions about
  license compliance. I believe that those are both within the scope of WMF
  Legal to analyze, and are sepatate from questions about compliance with
  community policy. The community and WMF can look into this situation in
  parallel and make separate determinations of what action, if any, to take.
  WMF might decide to take no action or wait for community actions to take
  place first, or they might decide to be more energetic. There is no harm,
  and potentially much good, in asking WMF what they can do about a situation
  like this.
  
  Pine
  On Jul 26, 2015 3:04 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  Pine, why are you pinging WMF Legal on this?  It is considerably premature
  to expect them to do anything much more  than read the relevant
  discussions, maybe, if they have an intern to spare. What action do you
  expect them to take, when the community has yet to determine whether or not
  its own standards have been met, whether there is actually an issue, here,
  whether what the user in question is doing is actually wrong or is well
  within the acceptable parameters of that project.  Should the community
  involved believe that they need assistance on this matter, they will then
  be able to decide if it is necessary to discuss with WMF Legal.  Looking at
  this user's talk page at dewp and Commons, nobody seems to have raised the
  issue directly with him on-wiki.
  
  Calling upon WMF staff and expecting them to deal with all kinds of issues
  that are not ripe for their attention, are still being addressed within the
  relevant community, or (as in this case) are not being discussed in the
  relevant community at all, is not really appropriate, and I for one would
  appreciate if you'd stop doing that.
  
  Risker/Anne
  
  On 26 July 2015 at 17:45, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  Pinging WMF Legal to ask about what WMF can do about this entire
  situation.
  
  Pine
  On Jul 26, 2015 1:06 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  If Harald Bischoff has defrauded Commons reusers by requiring stricter
  attribution than the community requires, does the Foundation have
  standing
  in Germany to require him to return the money to his victims in
  proportion
  to the extent that their attribution was improper?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

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It looks to me like Harald Bischoff is making Money with this. If you google 
his Name,
you find a lot of Blogposts related his Abmahnungen [1].

According to jurablogs he is also sending such Abmahnungen when a link to the 
license text itself is missing [2].

Bischoff is sending the Abmahnungen though an Attorney which is asking the 
affected persons to sign a cease and desist letter. Apart from that the 
affected person is requested to pay for damages and attorneys fees[2].

The complains are all over the web, this is imho a very bad reputation for 
wiki(p/m)edia.
I am wondering if his behavior is violating the terms of use.

Regards,
Steinsplitter

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abmahnung
[2] 
http://www.jurablogs.com/2015/04/28/abmahnung-wegen-unberechtigter-bildnutzung-des-herrn-harald-bischoff-auch-ins-ausland
[3] 
https://www.betterplace.org/de/fundraising-events/freiheitsliebe-abmahnung-durch-bischoff
 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner at gmail.com
wrote:
 hi,

 may i propose to fix the attribution problem for the one common use
 case do it like wikipedia does. somebody who refers to images from
 commons like wikipedia does it should be on legal safe grounds.

 there is a recent incident of non-wiki-love where user harald bischoff
 states comes into situations where pictures for the WMF are created,
 here:


 https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:Haraldbischoffdiff=prevoldid=143679802
 komme ich regelmässig in Situationen in denen auch das eine oder
 andere Foto für die wikimedia-foundation

 harald bischoff then uploads these pictures with cc-by-sa-3.0 license,
 and sues users who use such fotos. the complaint here from a blogger
 who paid 900 euro, who used a foto, with backlink to commons, and
 attributing in mouseover:

 http://diefreiheitsliebe.de/politik/in-eigener-sache-fast-900-euro-verlust-die-freiheitsliebe-wurde-abgemahnt/

 what i would really love to see is that wikipedia is the role model,
 i.e. wikipedia refers the pictures as they should be referred by any
 website. the distinction because wikipedia is owned by wmf we refer
 differently to commons than anybody else needs to go away imo. be it
 only for the educational effect. personally i do not understand why a
 link to the works is not good enough as attribution. i thought
 cc-by-sa 4.0 fixes this problem anyway?

 to summarize, i propose to legalize the use case do it as wikipedia
 does when attributing images. to make the site look good anyway we
 should either fix the software, or the license.

 best,
 rupert

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