Re: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content

2012-04-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 April 2012 17:30, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There's also a no promotion clause - you can't use the work to promote your organisation. This is above and beyond the normal 'no derogatory use' clause... This sounds like a licence that deserves to die a death.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content

2012-04-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 April 2012 18:12, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Well, actually we don't know it works for us. Our stuff is in early draft, and re-use of text is already making life pretty difficult already (checking for copyvios, notability, and clones in repressive regimes (Baidu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: European Mathematical Society and Springer create Encyclopedia of Mathematics wiki...

2012-04-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 April 2012 18:10, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Notice that it is seeded with 8,000 entries from the Kluwer-published Encyclopaedia of Mathematics; these articles remain under copyright to Springer/Kluwer. However, new contributions and edits will be licensed cc-by-sa. Seems

[Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news report) 61% of 15-25-year-olds in Sweden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the right term here is 0 years.  It is also not life + 70.  Perhaps 7 + 7. I suggested 14 as a likely figure because that figure is already in common currency - as it was the term in the UK (Statute of Anne) and in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought the Pirate Parties asked for 14 years, but I'm wrong: the Swedish party

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 05:41, Ms. Anne Frazer fraz...@bigpond.com wrote: However, when I read your words, the essence of your comments is clear in that part of your message is couched in attacking good prose because it is too difficult to read and understand. I remind myself that you don't mean to

[Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
TomTom press release: http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/licensing/newsletter/201205/didyouknow/ OpenStreetMap volunteer response: http://www.systemed.net/blog/index.php?post=23 Flags TomTom quote-mining. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 13:08, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. Yes, TomTom is dying.  But it's because of Google, not because of OSM. I'd actually flag smartphones as the culprit. They're the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2012 00:08, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Fully enabling IPv6 has been coming a *long* time - over a year, with months of planning and work before even that - as Erik's first message in this thread notes, and it was hardly a secret. Your objections may be entirely too late - it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-06-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 June 2012 15:30, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Yet it fails in other aspects -- the U.S. embassy is the most recognizable landmark on Intoto street, and is not listed; neither are the French, German, or British embassies. The EU Commission is not listed on Cape Verde st.

[Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread David Gerard
I was looking over old discussions, and wondered: who originally came up with the notion that the principle of least surprise should apply to educational content? If it existed before Wikimedia, who introduced it to the image filter discussion, on what rationale? [Personally I think it's an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 June 2012 21:32, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Not sure, but I think it's the principle of least /astonishment/ - which may be an important difference... Pretty sure it doesn't for educational purposes. I think my objection stands in its entirety. (I note that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 June 2012 21:44, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: My understanding of this line of argument was that images would be displayed where you would expect them to be displayed (e.g. the article on penis or vagina would naturally include a picture of a penis or vagina), I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 June 2012 21:56, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Earliest I have it on a Wikimedia list is from WikiEn-L on 2/11/08 from Ian Woollard (written as principle of least surprise), in the context of a Muhammad images thread started by Jimbo -- but my logs only go back to the summer of 07.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 June 2012 12:52, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: I think you miss the point of a concept. The idea is not that say [[Marriage]] shouldn't contain information about homosexual marriages, heterosexual marriages, marriages of convenience or polygamous marriages but that it probably shouldn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 June 2012 20:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Least surprise is one way to try and get around this problem of not relying on the community's own judgement in all edge cases; I'm not sure it's the best one, but I'm not sure leaving it out is any better. The present usage

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 June 2012 13:15, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I argued at some time that if there was a strong need for such a filter that there would already services in place that would filter the content or images. So far i have seen some very week approaches using the Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This assumption is entirely unsubstantiated. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 14:50, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 15:43, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: As there are no major and well-used forks at all, we can't reasonably draw inferences of the desirability of a specific project from its non-existence - we simply don't have the information to make that conclusion. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any politics or drama. The problem there is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2012 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were appropriately licensed and did not raise privacy concerns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a long time.  Almost all of these tropes are untouched: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes - it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 June 2012 16:30, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, they moved fast!  I read the blog post and then went to check, and found the supposedly deleted articles up, less than a full day after the original mailing list email, so I assumed there had to be some mistake.  How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 July 2012 14:49, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2012 15:35, Tarc Meridian t...@hotmail.com wrote: What does 'encyclopaedic worthiness' even mean? If Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, then all those niche-wikis are encyclopaedia too. Well, yes, they basically replace the specialist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 00:04, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Marc. The other day, someone said here on the list, It's almost as if what the press say and what the facts are in reality are two different things that have only a very tenuous relationship. Yes, in response to you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 00:48, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the complement of the other; mainspace would become more encyclopedic and there would be a neat space where the more recent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 19:22, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192 Dunno about OT. The public protests across Europe followed from the SOPA blackout. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). Unless I am missing something key;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2012 15:29, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: SOPA didn't threaten the existence of Wikipedia, Geoff Brigham opined otherwise, IIRC. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 July 2012 08:07, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, very encouraging. We should suggest to the various language Wikipedias that they monitor laws in their home country, and each time one is considered (or even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2012 04:16, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page Patrol for a few days. +1 I'm broadly an inclusionist, but reading a few hours' Special:Newpages is enough to have me breaking out the flamethrower. Anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2012 07:09, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 July 2012 20:48, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: So there were how many years of faffing about before they hired *one guy* for this project? This is an organisation with a $20m annual budget, now acquiring umpteen paid chapter officials. Wikipedia is about as user-friendly as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 July 2012 20:44, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the key problems with the interface is that it doesn't do a lot to seperate editing and reading. I know the point is to make editing easy - and to encourage readers to become editors. But realistically most of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

2012-07-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 July 2012 17:47, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I would love feedback about a proposal to help improve the relationship between COI editors and Wikipedia. The idea is to guide paid/PR/Corporate participants--who follow a list of ethics and best practices--to success in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2012 19:12, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I agree that the community retains the authority to reach its own decisions about future actions of this type. I think the policy should be understood primarily as something the foundation will adhere to in its operations, not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 15:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after crashing an hour or so ago EN Wikipedia has started to come back but with a really strange appearance - less usable than Vector. Rumour has it that someone cut through a fibre optic cable in Florida, so far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This afternoon's system outage

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 15:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 15:52, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after crashing an hour or so ago EN Wikipedia has started to come back but with a really strange appearance - less usable than Vector. Rumour has

[Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
... so I might as well tell you too. Info gathered by joggling the elbows of the people on #wikimedia-tech actually doing the work: This was two overland cables between Tampa and Virginia (Washington DC, to be precise). *Both* cables were cut, near the Tampa end. The redundant fibre wasn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 17:46, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Verify what David said (I'm not technical, but it matches the description I've been given). Our ops guys and girls are currently poking things, which is slowing down a larger/more official announcement, but I'll see what I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 20:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: David, the BBC says you told them the following: See, this is where you part ways with how the media works. These days I count it as a win if anything in quotes uses words I've ever used in my life. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 August 2012 09:06, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: In the Hebrew Wikipedia the View history tab is called Previous versions, which makes a lot more sense.) That would be an *excellent* thing to do in MediaWiki in general. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-09 Thread David Gerard
Steven Walling's started an essay on Wikipedia redesigns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 August 2012 19:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: When it comes to hiding the existence of other languages... our current skin has done that so effectively, that this design team didn't even cover the 'Other languages' sidebar in their design. [and every month some long-time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 August 2012 22:56, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So this is a balancing act - but I'm not currently sure which side outweighs the other, or whether the two sides are currently balancing each other out… What does everyone think? And is there an on-wiki page where we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 August 2012 23:15, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless, my congratulations and thanks to Ocassi who's capitalized on this sea change. You've done a significant service to the project. +1 to that. Well done! - d. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2012 00:07, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote: This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread David Gerard
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic that might give real-world pointers? - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic that might give real

[Wikimedia-l] Craigslist adds OpenStreetMap

2012-08-28 Thread David Gerard
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/craigslist-is-on-board-openstreetmap-continues-soaring-to-new-heights/ Go go free content! - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 6 September 2012 14:48, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2012 01:46, Kelly Kay k...@wikimedia.org wrote: Today the Wikimedia Foundation filed a suithttps://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf I urge everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 September 2012 20:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page.

[Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

2012-09-12 Thread David Gerard
I just posted this to commons-l: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2012-September/006660.html Please answer on that list if you have ideas :-) - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Naturally every link wants to escape from the toolbox, if it's collapsed :-) They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't seen any solid argument for collapsing any navboxes by default (except perhaps those in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: We know people have been beating a door to Roger's path ever since Monmouthpedia; there have been enquiries from all over the world from towns wanting to be the next Monmouth. Correction: to *everyone's* door. Really, anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide which town goes forward, and whichever town goes forward pays him

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 15:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? Internet-famous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 17:27, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 17 September 2012 19:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't

[Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-22 Thread David Gerard
It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not one stone left upon another and the ground salted. I'm crying real[2] tears here.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 September 2012 16:24, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: To be fair, organising academics is probably quite like herding cats. I can see it being expensive (but not quite as expensive as currently!) I wonder: would it be possible to make it so that in order to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-27 Thread David Gerard
On 22 September 2012 20:24, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not Of course, it's not all happy bunnies and rainbows and unicorns on the OA side. There's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] open-source textbooks for California

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 September 2012 20:17, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: The law specifies that the textbooks must be placed under a Creative Commons license, allowing professors at universities outside of California to use the textbooks in their own classrooms. The textbooks must be encoded in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

2012-09-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 September 2012 21:18, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: At the same time, Wikimedia UK has agreed with the Wikimedia Foundation that the Foundation shall process payments for the United Kingdom during this year’s fundraiser. This being the meat. - d.

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

2012-09-29 Thread David Gerard
-- Forwarded message -- From: Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com Date: 29 September 2012 06:53 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org I have been encouraged to issue statements for the last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Logo for new travel guide

2012-10-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 October 2012 11:53, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: A new logo for the travel guide is being requested. If anyone is interested in proposing one please add it here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide/Logo Oliver suggested we ask b3ta. I wholeheartedly concur. - d.

[Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Pratham Books initiative in India

2012-10-13 Thread David Gerard
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2012/1012/Rohini-Nilekani-pours-her-wealth-into-getting-books-to-India-s-poorest-children Anyone know anything about this? Is there anything for us to participate in regarding this initiative? It does more specifically target people who haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 October 2012 22:50, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it, the biggest problem with editor retention at the moment is the second edit. By that point, they haven't had any interaction with our governance structure, so that can't really be the cause.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info action

2012-10-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 October 2012 10:59, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: This looks fantastic, and very useful! I'm not sure how related this is, but is there any way the page can also pull up page views? Or would that be a problem? My understanding is that page views puts too much

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and tech people

2012-10-26 Thread David Gerard
Note the suggestion: set aside $1m of tech resources for community-chosen work. Heck, projects other than Wikipedia might get the slightest attention. - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com Date: 26 October 2012 09:25 Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and tech people

2012-10-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 October 2012 20:05, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: There isn't such things as my wiki or your wiki... it's all our wikis. Ideally, yes. In practice, no. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and EN Wiki are slow today

2012-11-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 November 2012 16:38, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: This afternoon has been another terribly slow one for response from WM sites, I've tried patience, and wandering off to other faster sites for a while, but I suspect we have another IT glitch. Or at least we do here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 November 2012 07:10, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: We're going to run this end of year campaign only in 5 countries (US, CA, GB, AU NZ) and then spend three months meticulously localizing and translating (and testing for new purely local messages) before running the global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 November 2012 07:10, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have some information on the fundraiser launch to share. We are still planning on launching Monday, November 26, but we're going to make a change this year in the timing of campaigns around the world. BTW, a blog post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Techdirt: Apparently All That Stuff About Needing SOPA To Go After Foreign Sites Was Bogus

2012-11-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 November 2012 21:21, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Techdirt, and its commentards, are as usual is full of crap. Taking down an OZ, or EU based site is one thing. Taking down some .cn or .ru another thing all together. Also we just love bank robbers? - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 09:04, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: For easier comparability of the two banner behaviors - Activation on hover (current behavior): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Lorenzo?banner=B12_5C_120216_SuperCondensed_Hover ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 10:09, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: ... yeah, that's the sort of behaviour that inspires ad-blockers. Wouldn't be quite so bad if they shrunk again when you moved the mouse out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 December 2012 17:37, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I'm currently viewing en.wikipedia.org, the banners _continue_ to block portions of the page content as I scroll down the page. This is also unacceptable. This comment indicates to me that this behavior is not what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FreeBSD fate and the lesson for Wikimedia movement

2012-12-09 Thread David Gerard
On 10 December 2012 05:17, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Wordpress' strong card is its rather stable PHP-based platform, and when you think of it, that platform is not much more technically advanced than MediaWiki is, but it has a much more vibrant community of users.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] And you thought the Amazon Wikipedia books were bad

2012-12-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 December 2012 21:21, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: And on the first page, it says: A portion of the proceeds of each book will be donated to the Wikimedia Foundation to support their mission. Do we have any records on wether these donations actually happend and how much

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fw: Domain dispute and protection - wikimedia

2012-12-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 December 2012 21:18, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: We have received this letter as below. Is there anyone aware of this Miller Investment Ltd? This is a pretty common scam. Best ignored. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] List admin

2012-12-24 Thread David Gerard
wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org On 24 December 2012 12:48, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 December 2012 12:46, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Can a list admin please investigate why I'm not receiving anything from this list? Because there hasn't been any. http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 December 2012 12:49, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: That's a huge relief. I was afraid those comments of December 4th had been superseded by his and his employees' subsequent comments. Your posts are assuming a ridiculous degree of bad faith, where you start from your own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread David Gerard
On 29 December 2012 00:05, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our Isn't the name just a little prone to confusion with Wikimedia Foundation? - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 January 2013 13:39, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I'm afraid the shooting gallery is already coded into Twinkle/Huggle. It is the use of that coding that is at issue. It could be used to encourage, reward and advise as well as to enforce. This is currently implemented by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread David Gerard
http://www.freep.com/article/20130104/FEATURES01/130104028/Wikipedia-is-driving-away-newcomers-report-says?odyssey=nav|head A news report on the study that newbies are dropping out very early indeed - being driven out by preremptory and mechanical treatment, well before they can be driven out by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 January 2013 15:41, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Editing an article was easy. All I needed to know was simple and intuitive syntax for headings, bold, italic and links. It was easy to see article text through this syntax. I spent idle time in the holiday week working on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 January 2013 19:32, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Also, I will stand up and say that I, for one, am not a fan of WMF trying to match market pay in the SF area. I am interested WMF in retaining qualified and motivated employees, and I am interested in employee job satisfaction

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 January 2013 10:35, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: In general, as far as we know captchas are currently not stopping spammers at all, while effectively stopping many legitimate (less motivated and experienced) users. Yes, MediaWiki captchas are, presently, literally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 January 2013 12:10, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 08/01/13 11:35, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: In general, as far as we know captchas are currently not stopping spammers at all, while effectively stopping many legitimate (less Care to elaborate? Do we know how are spammers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 January 2013 23:27, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: I think that the requirements for a wiki (open, welcoming, anyone can edit, eventualism) are always going to be at tension vs the requirements for an encyclopedia (reliable, good sourcing, etc). Right now, en.wikipedia rules

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 9 January 2013 06:41, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: David Gerard, 09/01/2013 00:32: I understand the decline is similar in other wikis - that this is not at all just an en:wp problem. How are the numbers for the other Wikipedias? How are the numbers for the non-Wikipedias

[Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread David Gerard
Killed himself. http://tech.mit.edu/V132/N61/swartz.html - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 January 2013 15:01, Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote: He was an author (user:aaronsw) and developer, among others. Also came up with the study showing that most content contribution is done by drive-by editors: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia So a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 January 2013 19:37, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: A few posts if anyone here's not aware of Aaron (see also his Wikipedia bio) Even Tim Berners-Lee weighs in (and he basically keeps quiet about almost everything): https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/statuses/290140454211698689 Aaron

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread David Gerard
NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/technology/aaron-swartz-internet-activist-dies-at-26.html - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop

2013-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2013 10:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running (

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