Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
+1 Abhilash On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Abhilash wrote: > Srikanth > > With all respect, let me ask, what are we trying to do here. To change the > so called "Indian Students mentality" or trying to spur the growth of > Wikipedia in India? > > This is getting too personal and creating a w

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Abhilash
Srikanth With all respect, let me ask, what are we trying to do here. To change the so called "Indian Students mentality" or trying to spur the growth of Wikipedia in India? This is getting too personal and creating a wedge between one of the most well known knowledge communities in the worl

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
Hey Srikanth, This is exactly what I meant about constructive approach. No my profs don't come to me house. They fail me. I understand that this is a problem in the mentality of Indian students. But you either have two options, decide to help anyway or crib about how the mentality of students need

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 23:11, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay wrote: > The Indian community however, still expects that students will come to > them for help and they shall help. I never got an answer for the question "Does your college profs come to your home and help you in doing the assignments?". I

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
+1 Debanjan! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debast...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Let me introduce myself first. I too am a CA in fact a second gen one. I > initially decided not to reply to this mail stream at all as there is > nothing but a blame game going on.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
Hey all, Let me introduce myself first. I too am a CA in fact a second gen one. I initially decided not to reply to this mail stream at all as there is nothing but a blame game going on. But after all the personal attacks, I've decided to be on the front-line along with my CA family. Ok, firstly,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:08, Ram Shankar Yadav wrote: > *This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The > [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids", > who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast > semi competent, inter

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
*This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids", who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.* * * *- *First of all stop

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > This sums up the problem of the IEP -  designed by people clueless about how > en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a giant > sandbox to play with students. Speaking of playing in sandboxes, just for you, a n

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
sorry to disagree Ashwin, This has to be dragged out. These guys are just not getting it. They just dont have the knowledge nor they willingnes to listen to criticism. They are just deflecting criticism by calling [[WP:CIVIL]] and crying "personal attack". I am not going to spend time posting in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
-* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked them about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting something new don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to build a relationship and get their faith that "we are here to help you, and it

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ashwin Baindur
We have had a lot of responses and recriminations on this issue. In the light of all that has happened, please let us stop our grousing. Hisham has opened a new thread, and accepted full responsibility. That is the end of the blame-game as far as anybody is concerned. All of us are inviolved and al

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
Hi Bala, *"Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the st

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Abhishek Suryawanshi
Regarding so called death and post-marten I wont be right person to talk about CoEP or SSE, I am assigned to SNDT Women's University,So I will stick to the work and responsibilities assigned to me... it is challenging to engage female editors as we have less women editors. (IEP is still running in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 23:27, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly > speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without > that coordination chances of success are quite low. * > *My only point here is to all the OAs in this d

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Arnav Sonara
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly > speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without > that coordination chances of success are quite low. * > *My only point here is to all the OAs in this

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Wasim Mogal
Hey Guys, I am Wasim, Campus Ambassador at the India Education Program. I have been reading the mails from the wiki lovers about the so called DEATH and POST MORTEM of the India Education Program. It feels terrible to hear such words but on the other hand we are going to accept this and learn fro

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
>>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without that coordination chances of success are quite low. * *My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
+1 Srikanth! Hey Folks! I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I would like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term "FAIL" is quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I respect that. As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > >> >> >>> As for starting "Wiki editing" you might want to start yourself. I suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a month ago. >>> Oo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > >> As for starting "Wiki editing" you might want to start yourself. I >>> suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a >>> month ago. >>> >>> >> Ooooh! Can we please cut out these sort of unconstructive, personal >>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
With all due respect Bishakha, I beg to differ. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > >> >> As for "the highs and lows, ups and downs, failures and successes", >> allow us to decide on the holistic view. I don't think som

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread wheredevelsdare
Thanks, Gautam! After all this was just a pilot. Lets learn and move on - the whole country beckons! > From: gau...@prathambooks.org > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:02:46 +0530 > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mort

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Gautam John
For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubsc

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika wrote: > I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles that >> students have written. >> > Nitika, please use right terms from next time, "Good articles" mean entirely different thing i

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > As for "the highs and lows, ups and downs, failures and successes", allow > us to decide on the holistic view. I don't think someone involved in a > project can have a holistic view, things like observer bias and > subject-expectancy effect mi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I respect Srikanth's thinking but agree to disagree. In times of crisis, when things are pulling every which way, formal planning methodologies can get you going. I actually sat on a hillside at 13,500 feet in Kargil in 1999 with paper and pencil to make sense of construction schedules when the fur

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Gautam John
While the program must certainly be evaluated, both internally and externally, I find some of this gleeful schadenfreude most disturbing. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing li

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Nitika All the consideration aside for the "Brilliant army". I clicked on a couple of articles on your list, and then found an interesting pattern. Did you check any of these yourself? In case you didn't, I updated the list for you. Most of the articles that don't have a comment in the list be

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 09:13, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > *On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan > wrote:* > *I would also request people not to fork any more new threads on this > with same thoughts, * > > CAMPUS AMBASSADOR SETBACK - The Local Community Viewpoint > Ashwin, I respec

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Nitika
On 13-Nov-2011, at 4:07 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > I'm hoping we'll hear more about the successes of the project, and eventually > come to a balanced understanding of what worked and what didn't. > > At this stage, we're hearing much more about what didn't work, so it's hard > to assess the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Anivar Aravind
Very Valid Points Aswin & pune community. This is extremely useful. Putting blame on students and educational system does not help us to study from this experience . In addition , i was always wondering how we omitted addressing copy-vios from the programme plan, since it is always expected in "as

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Ashwin Baindur
*On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:* *I would also request people not to fork any more new threads on this with same thoughts, * CAMPUS AMBASSADOR SETBACK - The Local Community Viewpoint The recent hiatus in the Campus Education program proved what the Pune Community kn

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2011-11-13 Thread Swaroop Rao
I couldn't have said it better Bala. Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch ) On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:39, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > *>>That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor > (in this case who happened to be a student) contribut

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

2011-11-13 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
*>>That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor (in this case who happened to be a student) contributed content to an article. It would (almost routinely) reviewed by other editors who coudl/would improve it or point out issues. One of the aspects that the better students

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:17, Arnav Sonara wrote: > The PPI (or PPP, LOL) is indeed over. It concluded with the completion >> of the Stanton grant requirements, and has now evolved into the GEP, >> the Global Education Program. The IEP as I understand it is not over: >> contrary to the subjectli

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Arnav Sonara
> > The PPI (or PPP, LOL) is indeed over. It concluded with the completion > of the Stanton grant requirements, and has now evolved into the GEP, > the Global Education Program. The IEP as I understand it is not over: > contrary to the subjectline of this thread, it hasn't "died." Thanks Sue, IEP

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Sue, >>*A number of schools have participated in the pilot phase of the IEP. My understanding is that the project has been mostly successful, except for one school, or set of schools, at which there were serious problems with plagiarism that, despite repeated efforts, the team couldn't get resolve

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > On 13 November 2011 08:46, Bishakha Datta wrote: > > > > > > > > As conceived, the IEP and its parent the PPP (pardon the acronyms), were > > about contributing to wikipedia, about learning how to contribute, and > about > > having fun while

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Sue Gardner
On 13 November 2011 08:46, Bishakha Datta wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex > wrote: >> >> Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is, >> about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to >> contribute to articles that they are

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Noopur
Did you guys try subject/stream specific article adoption? I was just thinking about how an average student who finishes bachelors and masters writes at least 20 essays and research papers that don't get published. They are just graded and forgotten. This means that all students are forced to go th

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-13 Thread Deepon Saha
I second you bisakha.. I don't know what went wrong, whether extreme pressure caused the students to take those shortcuts & just copy paste or there was some kind of misscommunication. We OAs tried our best to edit the copyvios as far as possible. But things were even worse & the CAs who had higher

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-12 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex wrote: > Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is, > about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to > contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of > them editing the article

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2011-11-12 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote: > > > > hi, >> >> It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. >> >> First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in >> taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus >> Amba

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:07 AM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many > colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a > pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think > that one thing

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Arjun mangol wrote: > Hey all, > > I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that > haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a > Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex wrote: > Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is, > about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to > contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of > them editing the article

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you, yes this was a Pilot, but at no point I see it dying. > Its just that we have taken a pause right now to learn from the findings and > ll come back all prepared and with the help of you all we ll try to gain new >

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote: > hi, > > It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. > > First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in > taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus > Ambassado

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Surya Prakash wrote: > From Bala's words... > > //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I > signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that > were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essenti

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-12 Thread Anivar Aravind
Thanks Shiju. I raised same points yesterday , in Malayalam wikimedia list , in a related thread. Thanks for bringing this discussion here Anivar On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex wrote: > Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is, > about the selection o

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an > engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other > science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into > other streams (other t

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:37 PM, wrote: > Iv used turnitin during my MBA and can say that Iv seen people upload their > projects there, note where the software catches them, change the language in > that part and re-submit. People will go to any lengths .. > We do need to work on something goi

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham wrote: > That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all but > 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the > assignements were concluded.) It c

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. > >>Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the > >>brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their > >>own. > >

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-12 Thread Shiju Alex
Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is, about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of them editing the articles on the same topic. The reason I am telling this is, In In

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2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think that one thing we learnt is that the US model may not work out well for India

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2011-11-12 Thread Arjun mangol
Hey all, I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate new, interested members who have a genuine passion for the projec

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2011-11-12 Thread Arnav Sonara
hi, > > It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. > > First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in > taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus > Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also >

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2011-11-12 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also speak to th

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2011-11-12 Thread Surya Prakash
>From Bala's words... //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially wanted to me to do the students' work. // Sure. We can (OA

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2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into other streams (other than engineering I mean); Law for example: Why not have law stu

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2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:33, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its > *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by > the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on > their own. > > +1. wi

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2011-11-12 Thread wheredevelsdare
-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest

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2011-11-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham wrote: > > That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all > but 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the > assignements were concluded.) It continues in 1 class at this college and > at 1 class at the SND

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2011-11-12 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
>>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their own. +1. with Srikanth This is the SINGLE MOST important thing to remember fo

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Gautam John wrote: >> > > Fair enough. Just that at the scale the India program will run at, a > technology solution might very well be a easier first step than human > interventions. If we can't manage the scale (as we couldn't in this pilot), then we will reduce

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > > We used to have this mainspace-sandbox debate in the US Public Policy program > last semester, and we decided that the aim of the program was students > getting hands on community experience, and editing first in sandbox will not > give that

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Gautam John wrote: > > Srikantha, thanks for posting this. I did not know about it till you > posted it and I am sure there are many like me. It is worrying but at > the same time offers us a chance to make things better for the future. Apologies, Gautam, Srikanth an

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2011-11-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 November 2011 18:55, Swaroop Rao wrote: > It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due > to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot) > is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and Coren > are having talks

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2011-11-12 Thread Hisham
Our mails coincided, Srikanth, but my comments inline. hisham On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > Hi all, > > If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a > week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we > Indians li

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2011-11-12 Thread Swaroop Rao
It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot) is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and Coren are having talks with Google on this. We used to have this mainspace-sa

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2011-11-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 November 2011 18:10, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a > week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we > Indians like to only rejoice success's and keep silence when we fail. Srikantha, thanks f