Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
I don't think so :) And the only one on this list out of the States? Is that right? -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread jp
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Matt Jenkins
by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Josh Luthman
tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Gino Villarini
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: Having built my WISP from scratch with my

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-04 Thread Wallace Walcher
Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such trash. My perception is they are either people who

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-03 Thread Tom Sharples
Comments inline below: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work I don't think

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

2009-12-31 Thread Matt Liotta
Many of those licenses had serious restrictions, which is why the auction reverse was so low in the first place. -Matt On Dec 31, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Charles Wu wrote: Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86) Licenses went for an average of $0.03 /

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Randy Cosby
...@cticonnect.com Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as compared

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
, 2009 at 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as compared to the Alvarion/Motorolas/WiMAX guys

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as compared to the Alvarion/Motorolas/WiMAX guys of the world who still don't

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Mike Hammett
-- Forwarded message -- From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing the game with their new

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Gino Villarini
stories. Rubens -- Forwarded message -- From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was changing

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
, but it might get to the 100/user per-AP scale. 3 or 6 months from now we will know of either large deployments or #ubntfail stories. Rubens -- Forwarded message -- From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Gino Villarini
...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Gino Villarini wrote

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
I don't see LTE being developed for other markets than cellcos Don't expect a LTE system for EBS spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Stuart Pierce
Sounds like you gave a choice for the answer, if the government does, then you have, twice. WIMAX equipment cost is the entry block. As broadband needs keep growing, you'll see an increased number of smaller wisp cells using equipment such as UBNT. That is until the government uses your money

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say the question boils down to who's going

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Bret Clark
ecember 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
Maybe one can outrun 802.16e? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche off track owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche off track owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Brad Belton
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Hickey
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
no worries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Philip Dorr
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread eje
General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
Sorry. Dumb iPhone auto correction changed Tropos to tripod. Lol On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Here we go again. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:15 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Go ahead

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. But there's a huge difference between using a few here and there and

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86) Licenses went for an average of $0.03 / MHz POP That means if 60 MHz covering 100,000 people (as defined by Census 2000 numbers) would have gone for $180k -- with the small business 35% credit - that means a WISP

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Self install won't work in 3650 beyond 1/4 mile, maybe 1/2 mile. Patrick has elaborated on this many times. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Tuesday, December

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Gino, Where can I find detailed info on the product there doesn't seem to be much available in regards to it's routing features. I'm also concerned about the CPE cost/licenses that's what drove us from Canopy before. Regards Michael Baird Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick works for Aperto, they don't support beamshaping/mimo or 802.16e, my Alvarion and Navini gear with the non-mimo subscriber radio (mimo on the tower) worked at a mile non-LOS. I appreciate the input, but it disputes my results in the field (rural heavily treed, not urban). Regards

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you (Michael) talking about self install or outdoor install? Mike (Hammett) is talking about self installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Josh, I tested via a truck, I could take the Alvarion unit and put it on the back seat of the extended cab, and it worked everywhere within a mile radius I drove to. This was an outdoor unit with a 14.5 db panel, strictly speaking I was testing outdoor (I wanted SI's from Alvarion but they

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
is a waste of our time and energy. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Gino, Where can I find detailed info

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Travis Johnson
Q3 is a better guess I think... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Good information. Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:00 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
: [WISPA] Wimax gear Q3 is a better guess I think... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Back seat of truck facing the roof, not truck bed. Regards Michael Baird Good information. Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
That's what I had in my head typed it out wrong. Do you have much foliage in the way? Was this all LOS driving around? I would imagine once you get inside a house things changes drastically coming from a truck. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since those are only

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Is supporting 802.16e really needed ? If you are providing your own CPEs, 802.16d, pre-WiMAX or Navini CDMA with beamforming could work just fine costing much less. I've tested Redline RedMAX self-install 16d unit and 16d base station and would give it a try on the real environment you wanna

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick, 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want the ability to go to 802.16m when available. We also want to take

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Patrick, 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
that customer to LTE later. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30%

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [WISPA] Wimax gear Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread 3-dB Networks
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? Huwaei then (in my opinion) uses its capture of .16e customers as the Trojan Horse

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89, capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). 2) Mikroik AP MIMO- $400, capacity: same as Ubiquiti, but with Spectrum

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
: [WISPA] Wimax gear I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89, capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). 2) Mikroik AP MIMO- $400, capacity: same as Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear In our case, the numbers are about $20k for three sectors yielding an aggregate

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89,  capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Charles Wu
LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? Hi Blake, I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam