[WISPA] E-commerce help - Anyone want to make a consulting fee?
I am sorry for this off-topic post but I need a favor. I need to know what e-commerce solution works best for an application where a company has several sales people/outlets and we need to track sales by each agent's referring web site. All transactions will go through one shopping cart and merchant account. Ideally we would like for the referring web address of the agent to automatically populate the agent identification data field of the sales report generated as each agent will have their own unique web address. I would like for agents to be able to see their sales via a web login database. Is this something that a merchant account will track for you? I would assume I would need to be able to track sales locally on the shopping cart end and be able to reference merchant account data to make sure it all balances. This will be my first e-commerce site and it is a big one. We need to track sales by agent for commissions. Can anyone help with this? I will gladly pay for consulting if this is complicated to setup. I just need help and have very little e-commerce background. Please send me your thoughts on this off list. I am sorry for off-topic post. Thank you, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I apologize if this is not appropriate, just trying to help. We are member of WISPA and helping some WISP's purchase equipment. Please contact me off list, can give pricing want to support the WISPA members. Don Renner Helix Technologies, Inc. 8550 W. Main St. French Lick, IN 47432 812-936-2525office 812-936-2006fax 812-521-1876cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices I'll make some calls tomorrow and see what the distributors say. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume. Example: If I say put me down for 20 units and here's my credit card. You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items. However, either the distributor will put each order in different names (thus, once the boss finds out it will be done), or they all go under a single name. Now, with my credit card being charged, but only a single invoice created for the big order, I can contact my credit card company and file a chargeback. There will be no invoice for the purchase, and nothing in my name. I just got 20 radios for free and the distributor just lost big money. This is only one example. There are 10 other risks to this project and someone will have to take them all... Why not just lease your CPE? Even doing 25 at a time, I think you can get 30 or 60 days before your first payment. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Well hell Gino Where are you buying? i want a piece of that too. Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:23:49 -0700 From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org great prices! G.Villarini wrote: $100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying? I buy 11 db yagis for around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging even for 900 mhz. $295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same gain, but that's obvious. Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, no crap-outs... Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices is 295 each for connectorized. Cheaper then some roll your own. A. Huppenthal wrote: I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I want to research on behalf of the list. google: motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack. I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it. I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 432631 Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-50 $26,250 Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid at all costs. The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius. HOLY CRAP! Unless I am reading something wrong... http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f A. Huppenthal wrote: I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the *first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others through a louder voice). I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-) Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead. Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier. 432679900 Mhz Access Point9000AP $1,895 427612900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP $2,395 498606900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna) 9000APC $1,855 487642900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External antenna) 9001APC $2,355 432631Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-50 $26,250 452650Bulk Pack 100 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-100 $47,500 459676Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-500 $222,500 460660Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-50 $24,250 467696Bulk Pack 100 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-100 $43,500 483635Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-500 $202,500 433674900 Mhz
Re: [WISPA] Re: [wisp] Another reason to love the Barracuda...
Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Your view is old school, and todays a new world. The trend is that people want to know when their messages are not successfully delivered to the recipient. Its a have it right now world. Sending mail to a backup queuem waiting for the recipient to come back up, is a disservice to the recipient and the sender. They'd rather just know the message didn't get through, and they know they must call up the subscriber instead. Secondly, having backup MX records for store and forward servers can create a horrible open door for Spammers. I totally agree, backup MX records hurt about as much as they help. Jeremy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Now there's an optimistic view, thanks Charles. But sometimes true, Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:25:36 -0600 From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] remote power control
I have a Synaccess-net.com remote power control device, 199 for 2 ports, I am buying a digital-logger this week. Hope it works as well. Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:14:19 -0500 From: Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] remote power control To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org From the feedback I've received, it seems to me that the digital-loggers model is the best. Of course, they are pricier. But as you say, one truck roll alone will pay for the extra $130 the digital-loggers device costs. Thanks a lot for the shared experience. Mario Tom DeReggi wrote: We've had several occasions were the APC master controllers go bad, and when they lock up they throw every thing to a POWER OFF status. Truck roll!!! I think its a horrible design that it doesn't fail to a Power on state. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] remote power control I have used one of these for a year now and like it. Allen Hi, Since I've heard some not-so-good experiences with the APC MasterSwtich, I went looking on the web. Ebay led me to this product, has anyone used this power control device? Any feedback on it? http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Thanks. Mario --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by Webjogger's AntiVirus Protection System] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by Webjogger's AntiVirus Protection System] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless
[WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Sounds good to me Brian. Try it. All they can say is 'no'. As for all the down sides, we haven't bought anything yet. Lets go one step at a time here. But I say go for it. Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:52:52 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or
[WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
Hi guys, Looking at getting a couple of Spectras but was wondering if someone could enlighten me a little. The Spectra can supposedly achieve 300mb aggregate throughput. Do Orthogon achieve this by using compression? If so, what sort of rate are you likely to get in ideal conditions but using highly compressed data? Does anyone know what the difference is between the Spectra and the Spectra lite? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
frankly, if I'm buying them for 50% off, I'll buy a spare for every 50 units I buy. failure rate on moto's is about 1 in 100 Travis Johnson wrote: And, the other issue is the purchase will be made in the group name, so how do you handle warranty issues? Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Where are you getting those prices and in what quantities? Thanks, Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Warranty? what warranty? Do you all really have warranty problems. Switch vendors. :-) Moto doesn't have a warranty program. They die, you throw them away. Returning them to my x-distributor resulted in the same thing. They lost the returns. Screw it. Buy cheap and manage your own warranty. If you really want the warranty, perhaps the group buy co-ordinator would like to recive $2 extra per radio to put up a website with MAC addresses and to handle each return for $20. But really, I don't want to have anything to do with warrenty - We're talking $250 items. If you are buying lots of APs, well, get a spare and return through the distributor that sold the 'lot' to the buying group. Moto doesn't sell direct for example - unless you are government. Hey, wait, can we be a government? Know anyone on an Indian reservation? They are a government. :-) Perhaps they'd like to get involved. There are few Indian businesses in my area, unfortunately. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee /
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
Actually, they use 256QAM and 30Mhz of spectrum on multiple polarities to achieve the throughput. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: Hi guys, Looking at getting a couple of Spectra’s but was wondering if someone could enlighten me a little. The Spectra can supposedly achieve 300mb aggregate throughput. Do Orthogon achieve this by using compression? If so, what sort of rate are you likely to get in ideal conditions but using highly compressed data? Does anyone know what the difference is between the Spectra and the Spectra lite? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Like I said 1 to 100 failures. Usually we drop them from a roof, or run one over.. Often times they still work, but often they don't Its a piece of plastic housing with a single board inside. You can get a replacement case for $15 as I recall. Nice to have a few around for demo to customers. They build them for $25 probably, open one up - there's nothing in there. An Altera FPGA - well, other programmable gate array.. basically 'make your hardware' on a chip technology. Check out HDLs if you are interested - its how I designed our first DSL modem. Moto isn't stupid. Its a good design. The hardware just jumped up a bit in complexity recently - but the price jump was nuts. Moto stays in this business becasue they are making lots and lots of money. Its not a lost leader. As far as hacking them go.. well, Rich Comroe might tell us.. Hey Rich - can we get an HDL for the Moto? :-) oh yea, I can see this list cracking open the HDL.. :-) its such a paradigm change... it isn't really like programming, well.. as much as programming is like jazz dancing, I suppose. But crapola boys, we have on the smartest guys in the Motorola Land - one of their top technology leaders as a member of list here. Ask him, I'm not anywhere close to the design other than tearing the chips appart out of curiousity. He's not sales man, Rich, didn't we first meet when you were VP of Engineering @ Moto? I could be wrong it was yonks ago. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Well, I'm not a Canopy user, but am close to making the leap. (would have done it long time ago if gear was a reasonable price) Whoever buys the gear. Group name or Joe Blow. Attention Canopy users how are warranty issues handled? If I buy gear on ebay can I send it into Moto for warranty? Or is it void because I didn't buy from authorized reseller? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: And, the other issue is the purchase will be made in the group name, so how do you handle warranty issues? Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I like the 100 pack - but Mote sometimes gives away a couple of backhuals with a 500 pack and other promos.. They change from time to time, whomever wants to run with it will have to make some calls. once we go underground on this deal, we can have a couple of teleconferences, and I'll cough up my secrets. To some degree its not a good idea to get to the precise suppliers, prices, deals and so on on a public list.. Sometimes Moto takes a dim view of group buys, and snaps the elastic of the distributor in unpleasent ways Travis Johnson wrote: Also, how much of a real savings are you going to see buying a 500 pack compared with a 100 pack? I'm not sure how the pricing structure works with Moto, but with other places the biggest savings is from 10/20 packs to 100 or 250 packs. Going from 100 to 500 yields very minimal changes ($10 per SM/SU would be my guess). Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Well, I'm not a Canopy user, but am close to making the leap. (would have done it long time ago if gear was a reasonable price) Whoever buys the gear. Group name or Joe Blow. Attention Canopy users how are warranty issues handled? If I buy gear on ebay can I send it into Moto for warranty? Or is it void because I didn't buy from authorized reseller? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: And, the other issue is the purchase will be made in the group name, so how do you handle warranty issues? Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
It'll work, you just do it. The details are all bulls*it. Set up a closed email list for people who are interested. If you can wait a week or two I can setup an email list for that, if you like. People who aren't interested are going to give you one million reason why the earth is flat, or whatever their view is. My only concern is that someone gets screwed because there is a liar, cheat, thief in the process. Else, its cheap gear for cheap prices that *works*. However, if your don't know that, likely you'll need an AP. hmmm... if anyone wants to borrow a 5.7 AP from me, you can. I'll lend it out for a week, you pay the post both ways and *if* it come back broken, *you* agree to replace it in 10 days with a working one. Turns out i have enough canopy stuff until late Jan. Contact me off-list if you like. Frankly if the group buy guy wants to handle loaners to the membership/group that's find with me. I'll toss $100 in the kitty toward 4 loaner APs - a 5.2, 5.7, 2.4 (junk) and 900 mhz (I'll never use).. Got a paypal account, I'll send the money now. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
The risk should be - the guy who gets my money sends me my SMs.. These things come in single unit boxes, so repacking them isn't a huge deal. 10 boxes of 10 each? I think that's a reasonable limit. Trusting someone on the list to do the buy with my $2600 is fine. I'll do some due diligience on the group buyer. If there's some references, an address, a person we know, we'll that's all fine wit me. Paypal has some control over what you suggest is a hole. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume. Example: If I say put me down for 20 units and here's my credit card. You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items. However, either the distributor will put each order in different names (thus, once the boss finds out it will be done), or they all go under a single name. Now, with my credit card being charged, but only a single invoice created for the big order, I can contact my credit card company and file a chargeback. There will be no invoice for the purchase, and nothing in my name. I just got 20 radios for free and the distributor just lost big money. This is only one example. There are 10 other risks to this project and someone will have to take them all... Why not just lease your CPE? Even doing 25 at a time, I think you can get 30 or 60 days before your first payment. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
cool Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'll make some calls tomorrow and see what the distributors say. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume. Example: If I say put me down for 20 units and here's my credit card. You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items. However, either the distributor will put each order in different names (thus, once the boss finds out it will be done), or they all go under a single name. Now, with my credit card being charged, but only a single invoice created for the big order, I can contact my credit card company and file a chargeback. There will be no invoice for the purchase, and nothing in my name. I just got 20 radios for free and the distributor just lost big money. This is only one example. There are 10 other risks to this project and someone will have to take them all... Why not just lease your CPE? Even doing 25 at a time, I think you can get 30 or 60 days before your first payment. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] E-commerce help - Anyone want to make a consulting fee?
try salesforce.com John Scrivner wrote: I am sorry for this off-topic post but I need a favor. I need to know what e-commerce solution works best for an application where a company has several sales people/outlets and we need to track sales by each agent's referring web site. All transactions will go through one shopping cart and merchant account. Ideally we would like for the referring web address of the agent to automatically populate the agent identification data field of the sales report generated as each agent will have their own unique web address. I would like for agents to be able to see their sales via a web login database. Is this something that a merchant account will track for you? I would assume I would need to be able to track sales locally on the shopping cart end and be able to reference merchant account data to make sure it all balances. This will be my first e-commerce site and it is a big one. We need to track sales by agent for commissions. Can anyone help with this? I will gladly pay for consulting if this is complicated to setup. I just need help and have very little e-commerce background. Please send me your thoughts on this off list. I am sorry for off-topic post. Thank you, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I believe we can make it happen. Pretty much, few of us will go in and buy together. Probably going to just be a small group to stay under moto's radar. Enough to get a 100 pack at a time. A. Huppenthal wrote: I like the 100 pack - but Mote sometimes gives away a couple of backhuals with a 500 pack and other promos.. They change from time to time, whomever wants to run with it will have to make some calls. once we go underground on this deal, we can have a couple of teleconferences, and I'll cough up my secrets. To some degree its not a good idea to get to the precise suppliers, prices, deals and so on on a public list.. Sometimes Moto takes a dim view of group buys, and snaps the elastic of the distributor in unpleasent ways Travis Johnson wrote: Also, how much of a real savings are you going to see buying a 500 pack compared with a 100 pack? I'm not sure how the pricing structure works with Moto, but with other places the biggest savings is from 10/20 packs to 100 or 250 packs. Going from 100 to 500 yields very minimal changes ($10 per SM/SU would be my guess). Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Well, I'm not a Canopy user, but am close to making the leap. (would have done it long time ago if gear was a reasonable price) Whoever buys the gear. Group name or Joe Blow. Attention Canopy users how are warranty issues handled? If I buy gear on ebay can I send it into Moto for warranty? Or is it void because I didn't buy from authorized reseller? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: And, the other issue is the purchase will be made in the group name, so how do you handle warranty issues? Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I sure am not going to take anyone's money. :) Too bad you don't use 900, that is what I am trying to use to get this started. If you could set us a list asap, that would be great. Then we could add a dozen or so people to the list (people trusted and known)and talk about the details. A. Huppenthal wrote: It'll work, you just do it. The details are all bulls*it. Set up a closed email list for people who are interested. If you can wait a week or two I can setup an email list for that, if you like. People who aren't interested are going to give you one million reason why the earth is flat, or whatever their view is. My only concern is that someone gets screwed because there is a liar, cheat, thief in the process. Else, its cheap gear for cheap prices that *works*. However, if your don't know that, likely you'll need an AP. hmmm... if anyone wants to borrow a 5.7 AP from me, you can. I'll lend it out for a week, you pay the post both ways and *if* it come back broken, *you* agree to replace it in 10 days with a working one. Turns out i have enough canopy stuff until late Jan. Contact me off-list if you like. Frankly if the group buy guy wants to handle loaners to the membership/group that's find with me. I'll toss $100 in the kitty toward 4 loaner APs - a 5.2, 5.7, 2.4 (junk) and 900 mhz (I'll never use).. Got a paypal account, I'll send the money now. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
The var said he'd rather not do credit cards (extra 3% if you want it) but he'll do that math and see. He assured me that the way we're doing it, he is the only one who could get stuck. Besides, this won't be open for public. This is just a few of us who are going to buy together. We all know each other. A. Huppenthal wrote: The risk should be - the guy who gets my money sends me my SMs.. These things come in single unit boxes, so repacking them isn't a huge deal. 10 boxes of 10 each? I think that's a reasonable limit. Trusting someone on the list to do the buy with my $2600 is fine. I'll do some due diligience on the group buyer. If there's some references, an address, a person we know, we'll that's all fine wit me. Paypal has some control over what you suggest is a hole. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume. Example: If I say put me down for 20 units and here's my credit card. You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items. However, either the distributor will put each order in different names (thus, once the boss finds out it will be done), or they all go under a single name. Now, with my credit card being charged, but only a single invoice created for the big order, I can contact my credit card company and file a chargeback. There will be no invoice for the purchase, and nothing in my name. I just got 20 radios for free and the distributor just lost big money. This is only one example. There are 10 other risks to this project and someone will have to take them all... Why not just lease your CPE? Even doing 25 at a time, I think you can get 30 or 60 days before your first payment. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you willing to do to accomidate us? I know there are a number of distobuters out there. Ones that do millions worth of gear all the way down to ones that operate WISPs and became resellers of the gear they use in order to get their volume up. If ten people can install ten a month. That is 1200 a year. If we look, I bet there is a reseller somewhere who wants to increase volume by 1200 a year. 5k a year wouldn't be stretching the imagination too far either. Am I dumb here guys? Why wouldn't this work? Tom DeReggi wrote: Charles, I fully second your post. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell
RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
So thats 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasnt sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: 13 December 2005 19:21 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul, I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves 100% uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin. It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
Matt is correct, you must use dual pol antennas or two antennas with diversity to achieve this throughput. How long is the link you want to do? I can give you a good idea on throughput if you send me the longitude and latitude of the end points and heights of antennas. The Spectra Light is the same hardware and can be upgraded to a full Spectra link by buying a key. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Actually, they use 256QAM and 30Mhz of spectrum on multiple polarities to achieve the throughput. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: Hi guys, Looking at getting a couple of Spectra's but was wondering if someone could enlighten me a little. The Spectra can supposedly achieve 300mb aggregate throughput. Do Orthogon achieve this by using compression? If so, what sort of rate are you likely to get in ideal conditions but using highly compressed data? Does anyone know what the difference is between the Spectra and the Spectra lite? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
No the Lite will always be half of the full version.If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So that’s 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasn’t sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan OliverSent: 13 December 2005 19:21To: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul,I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves "100%" uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin.It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99.Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Nice! Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
I don't mean to be negative, but I get calls from their sales guys - I ask some simple questions and can't get them answered, so I don't buy them. I'm all ears about their backhauls.. *seem* like a great deal to me. Paul Hendry wrote: Hi guys, Looking at getting a couple of Spectra’s but was wondering if someone could enlighten me a little. The Spectra can supposedly achieve 300mb aggregate throughput. Do Orthogon achieve this by using compression? If so, what sort of rate are you likely to get in ideal conditions but using highly compressed data? Does anyone know what the difference is between the Spectra and the Spectra lite? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Things you might be interested in
I have found myself in need of some devices from time to time that I can't seem to buy at a reasonable price. Since I was laid up for a month and more, I began doing some research on developing things I needed. Before I go into a bunch of work to try to finalize these... I'd like to know if anyone else is interested... 1. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based voltage / charge / temperature / monitoring and/or switching device.You couldmonitorbatteries, solar panels, generator, start/stop things, etc. Cost: ~$200 2. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based thermo-electric generator, fueled by propane, either remotely controlled, or operating on a programmable basis -to operate as a backup power supply in conjunction with 12 or 24V battery based DC systems. Would provide battery monitoring, as well. Approximate cost: $2500 for a 75 watt 24V system. Could be made in 20, 50, 100, or larger wattage sizes - cost rises considerable with power output. This would serve as backup for a solar/wind or even for AC in conjunction with lead-acid batteries. 3. "crash detect and reboot" system. This would connect via 10/100M ethernet to a network, ping a programmable IP (in fact, several of them) and be able to power cycle dc or ac powered equipment. Programmable as to how many pings to miss, how long to power down, etc. Cost: ~$200. Each of these devices would be designed to operate on very minimal power and tolerate temperature extremes. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in
Did you try RMS for your monitoring / control hardware? http://www.bndcom.com/rms/rms.htm They are $500 list, have 3 relays remote controllable - NO/and NC connections, so if you want a fail over to closed you can do it. There's 5 or 6 voltmeters, a 1/2 dozen TTL level contact closure sense items, low current draw - decent scripts. Haven't seen any for $200, but the guys at BND have said they are working on a new one - maybe lower cost. --- What do you mean by thermo-electric generator? Something that works from Geo-Thermal sources? Sterling has some interesting stuff. .:_) --- Great ideas. We've built lots of remote sites and frankly $800 / hour for a heli ride when things go south is crazy. We just don't do it. :-) Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I have found myself in need of some devices from time to time that I can't seem to buy at a reasonable price. Since I was laid up for a month and more, I began doing some research on developing things I needed. Before I go into a bunch of work to try to finalize these... I'd like to know if anyone else is interested... 1. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based voltage / charge / temperature / monitoring and/or switching device. You could monitor batteries, solar panels, generator, start/stop things, etc. Cost: ~$200 2. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based thermo-electric generator, fueled by propane, either remotely controlled, or operating on a programmable basis - to operate as a backup power supply in conjunction with 12 or 24V battery based DC systems. Would provide battery monitoring, as well. Approximate cost: $2500 for a 75 watt 24V system. Could be made in 20, 50, 100, or larger wattage sizes - cost rises considerable with power output.This would serve as backup for a solar/wind or even for AC in conjunction with lead-acid batteries. 3. crash detect and reboot system. This would connect via 10/100M ethernet to a network, ping a programmable IP (in fact, several of them) and be able to power cycle dc or ac powered equipment. Programmable as to how many pings to miss, how long to power down, etc.Cost: ~$200. Each of these devices would be designed to operate on very minimal power and tolerate temperature extremes. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in
- Original Message - From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in Did you try RMS for your monitoring / control hardware? http://www.bndcom.com/rms/rms.htm yes, I've seen them, and what they do can be done for a fraction of the cost. They are $500 list, have 3 relays remote controllable - NO/and NC connections, so if you want a fail over to closed you can do it. There's 5 or 6 voltmeters, a 1/2 dozen TTL level contact closure sense items, low current draw - decent scripts. Yeah. Similar idea, but lower power draw, simpler. Haven't seen any for $200, but the guys at BND have said they are working on a new one - maybe lower cost. --- What do you mean by thermo-electric generator? Something that works from Geo-Thermal sources? As I said, run on propane. It generates DC power without any interference or ignition noise. It has no moving engine or generation parts. It directly converts heat to electric energy.These are available commercially now, but nobody makes them with an ethernet based monitor / controller, and they cost a fortune - many thousands of dollars, or else they are very small, and don't make enough power to be useful to a WISP. Sterling has some interesting stuff. .:_) Who / what? --- Great ideas. We've built lots of remote sites and frankly $800 / hour for a heli ride when things go south is crazy. We just don't do it. :-) Well, the idea is to build some stuff that really is capable of running for months without attention.Solar sites are often built for small power use, but generators that run on propane often don't like to start at 20 below, and you really can't tell what's going on if they don't seem to start. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I have found myself in need of some devices from time to time that I can't seem to buy at a reasonable price. Since I was laid up for a month and more, I began doing some research on developing things I needed. Before I go into a bunch of work to try to finalize these... I'd like to know if anyone else is interested... 1. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based voltage / charge / temperature / monitoring and/or switching device. You could monitor batteries, solar panels, generator, start/stop things, etc. Cost: ~$200 2. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based thermo-electric generator, fueled by propane, either remotely controlled, or operating on a programmable basis - to operate as a backup power supply in conjunction with 12 or 24V battery based DC systems. Would provide battery monitoring, as well. Approximate cost: $2500 for a 75 watt 24V system. Could be made in 20, 50, 100, or larger wattage sizes - cost rises considerable with power output.This would serve as backup for a solar/wind or even for AC in conjunction with lead-acid batteries. 3. crash detect and reboot system. This would connect via 10/100M ethernet to a network, ping a programmable IP (in fact, several of them) and be able to power cycle dc or ac powered equipment. Programmable as to how many pings to miss, how long to power down, etc.Cost: ~$200. Each of these devices would be designed to operate on very minimal power and tolerate temperature extremes. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
So is it that the lite wont do 256QAM or just the software says if we can get xMbps only let em have half? Is compression used at all on these units? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: 13 December 2005 20:44 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra No the Lite will always be half of the full version.If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So thats 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasnt sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: 13 December 2005 19:21 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul, I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves 100% uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin. It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
Its the total divided in half by the software from what I have been told. This would make sense since it can be upgraded to the higher speed. I do not think that compression is used at all but I am not for sure. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So is it that the lite won’t do 256QAM or just the software says if we can get xMbps only let em have half? Is compression used at all on these units? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory PrivettSent: 13 December 2005 20:44To: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra No the Lite will always be half of the full version.If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So that’s 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasn’t sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan OliverSent: 13 December 2005 19:21To: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul,I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves "100%" uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin.It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99.Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
There is no compression used. I can't imagine they half the throughput for the lite version, but I don't know. I would expect the unit is simply capped. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: So is it that the lite won’t do 256QAM or just the software says if we can get xMbps only let em have half? Is compression used at all on these units? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jory Privett *Sent:* 13 December 2005 20:44 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra No the Lite will always be half of the full version. If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - *From:* Paul Hendry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So that’s 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasn’t sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver *Sent:* 13 December 2005 19:21 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul, I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves 100% uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin. It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
So if the lite is just capped then there would be no reason to use the Spectra if the max throughput on a link was less than 150Mbps? Anyone know for sure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 13 December 2005 21:30 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra There is no compression used. I can't imagine they half the throughput for the lite version, but I don't know. I would expect the unit is simply capped. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: So is it that the lite won’t do 256QAM or just the software says if we can get xMbps only let em have half? Is compression used at all on these units? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jory Privett *Sent:* 13 December 2005 20:44 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra No the Lite will always be half of the full version. If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - *From:* Paul Hendry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So that’s 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasn’t sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver *Sent:* 13 December 2005 19:21 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul, I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves 100% uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin. It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra
That would be my viewpoint, but YOU should really check with the vendor. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: So if the lite is just capped then there would be no reason to use the Spectra if the max throughput on a link was less than 150Mbps? Anyone know for sure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 13 December 2005 21:30 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra There is no compression used. I can't imagine they half the throughput for the lite version, but I don't know. I would expect the unit is simply capped. -Matt Paul Hendry wrote: So is it that the lite won’t do 256QAM or just the software says if we can get xMbps only let em have half? Is compression used at all on these units? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jory Privett *Sent:* 13 December 2005 20:44 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra No the Lite will always be half of the full version. If the Spectra will do 132M then the lite will only do 66M. Same with the Gemini and the Gemini Lite Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - *From:* Paul Hendry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:05 PM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra So that’s 297.63Mbps regardless of the type of traffic? The thing I wasn’t sure about was exactly what the difference between Spectra and Lite where. Is it purely that the lite can only achieve 150Mbps? If for example you can only achieve 100Mbps with the Spectra would you also get 100Mbps if you used the Lite on the same link? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver *Sent:* 13 December 2005 19:21 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Spectra Paul, I just predicted a 4 km link with OS Spectra. Max. Aggregate Throughput tops out at 297.63 Mbps. Mean max user throughput in either direction is 233.98 Mbps. A 2' 29.4 dBi dish on ONE end achieves 100% uptime in 256 QAM Dual mode with .05 mins of outtage/yr (seven 9s) with 7.86 dB fade margin. It's much the same with the Spectra Lite, but max aggregate is capped at 148.82 Mbps and max in either direction at 116.99. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that easy and simple -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Thanks Brian Charles Wu wrote: I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that "easy and simple" -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Brian, I commend you on taking the initiative and (hopefully) proving my naysaying wrong However, waving my magic wand (or maybe I'm just full of @[EMAIL PROTECTED]), I predict the following 2 outcomes will occur: 1. Brian will not be able to get enough interest / coordination / payment for the buying club to succeed, and nothing will be bought 2. Brian will be smart enough to coordinate the buying club, but will realize that the coordination of the buying club is a lot of effort (effort that takes away time from running his WISP) -- at that point, he will either (a) stop doing the buying club, since he will need to address his day-to-day business needs / obligations / demands (b) continune doing the buying club, but w/ an initial moderate markup (to handle his administration costs) -- over time, if he continues to succeed, he will evolve into a full fledged reseller / distributor for WISPs providing various value-added services to varying levels of customers, and the middleman will return -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
What club are you talking about Charles? I predict you'll be asking Brian to participate in the next buy Charles. :-) Charles Wu wrote: Brian, I commend you on taking the initiative and (hopefully) proving my naysaying wrong However, waving my magic wand (or maybe I'm just full of @[EMAIL PROTECTED]), I predict the following 2 outcomes will occur: 1. Brian will not be able to get enough interest / coordination / payment for the buying club to succeed, and nothing will be bought 2. Brian will be smart enough to coordinate the buying club, but will realize that the coordination of the buying club is a lot of effort (effort that takes away time from running his WISP) -- at that point, he will either (a) stop doing the buying club, since he will need to address his day-to-day business needs / obligations / demands (b) continune doing the buying club, but w/ an initial moderate markup (to handle his administration costs) -- over time, if he continues to succeed, he will evolve into a full fledged reseller / distributor for WISPs providing various value-added services to varying levels of customers, and the middleman will return -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Yes, (joke) let's assure ourselves that all things are motivated by increasing one individual's bank account vs. the group's membership's benefits. Part of the reason I'm not participating in Part 15 et.al. is that the organizers of any membership benefit have to do so with the assumption that the GOAL of the effort is member benefits, not organizer benefits from organizing it. How much money have you made off WISPA John, Rich, Matt, Marlon, et.al? I know its a rethorical question - I know how much - none. If we're always looking at ways we can take the membership for a dollar ride we're not in the right groove. Isn't it enough that not only the organizer gets a benefit by getting his costs down, but that he's going to have lots of other participants potentially shaking his hand and thanking him for the effort? In this organization, I hope so. Charles Wu wrote: I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Call me a profit-hungering leech, but if I were you, I would try to set up the listserv myself Remember, the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars that Bullit made off of WISPCON Part-15 all started from a simple Orinoco listserv (on a windows box too) -Charles P.S. better do it before that leech formerly known as Charles steals your idea wink --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com http://www.cwlab.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
That would be great. People are asking me about 5.2, 5.7, 2.4, as well as 900. I just want 900 for now. If we get a place to talk about it, someone else can coordinate the same with each product. A. Huppenthal wrote: Brian, I'll see if can do this shortly. -Alex Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Thanks Brian Charles Wu wrote: I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that easy and simple -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
You should be getting a notice of the mailing list creation. Will walk through the list manager steps and get you the listmanger's account information. Will be using rfarc.org as the base address - a local non-profit ham radio domain that has private list features. Let's see how it goes. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: All I know is I talked to a VAR and was assured I could get the prices I requested and have the process work the way I asked about. I'm just doing a little leg work to see what happens. When I compare what I can buy now, a $550 single pack. Because I can't even afford 25 pack. To the 100 pack prices of something like $260. It's a no brainer Charles. The $290 saving per radios covers any admin fees in savings by far. If you want Canopy radios, hit me off list. The only way I currently plan of profiting from this is the $290 savings on each radio. I just want 900 gear I can afford. Brian Charles Wu wrote: Brian, I commend you on taking the initiative and (hopefully) proving my naysaying wrong However, waving my magic wand (or maybe I'm just full of @[EMAIL PROTECTED]), I predict the following 2 outcomes will occur: 1. Brian will not be able to get enough interest / coordination / payment for the buying club to succeed, and nothing will be bought 2. Brian will be smart enough to coordinate the buying club, but will realize that the coordination of the buying club is a lot of effort (effort that takes away time from running his WISP) -- at that point, he will either (a) stop doing the buying club, since he will need to address his day-to-day business needs / obligations / demands (b) continune doing the buying club, but w/ an initial moderate markup (to handle his administration costs) -- over time, if he continues to succeed, he will evolve into a full fledged reseller / distributor for WISPs providing various value-added services to varying levels of customers, and the middleman will return -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I like the recent post about monitors too. Frankly the BND stuff for $500 is good, but I'd use at least twice as much of it :-) if it were $250. ha! I sent you a note directly, I'll hang in there for a while tonight to get the listserver doing precisely what it should. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That would be great. People are asking me about 5.2, 5.7, 2.4, as well as 900. I just want 900 for now. If we get a place to talk about it, someone else can coordinate the same with each product. A. Huppenthal wrote: Brian, I'll see if can do this shortly. -Alex Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Thanks Brian Charles Wu wrote: I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that easy and simple -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Your a good man. A. Huppenthal wrote: I like the recent post about monitors too. Frankly the BND stuff for $500 is good, but I'd use at least twice as much of it :-) if it were $250. ha! I sent you a note directly, I'll hang in there for a while tonight to get the listserver doing precisely what it should. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That would be great. People are asking me about 5.2, 5.7, 2.4, as well as 900. I just want 900 for now. If we get a place to talk about it, someone else can coordinate the same with each product. A. Huppenthal wrote: Brian, I'll see if can do this shortly. -Alex Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Thanks Brian Charles Wu wrote: I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that easy and simple -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
The list server is running, Brian is working on the final setup / config. Sorry, its I thought I could do it in just an hour, but I've never set this software up before so it took 2 hours. I'm guessing the list will be up and running. Any suggestions on how we can confirm that the person attempting to signup for the group buy listserv is actually a principle member? I don't think we want a list of all the members distributed. I was thinking a simple script might allow an authorized person to query *if* a certain email address is a principle member or not.. hmmm... a puzzle.. I guess the person asking for the list membership could do so on the principle member list @ wispa. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Your a good man. A. Huppenthal wrote: I like the recent post about monitors too. Frankly the BND stuff for $500 is good, but I'd use at least twice as much of it :-) if it were $250. ha! I sent you a note directly, I'll hang in there for a while tonight to get the listserver doing precisely what it should. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That would be great. People are asking me about 5.2, 5.7, 2.4, as well as 900. I just want 900 for now. If we get a place to talk about it, someone else can coordinate the same with each product. A. Huppenthal wrote: Brian, I'll see if can do this shortly. -Alex Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm getting a lot of interest off list on the group idea. Can anyone (principal member) set up a mail server for use to talk about this. ASAP! Thanks Brian Charles Wu wrote: I know you don't support the idea of group buys. It's not that I don't support the concept, truthfully, I could care less whether you buy your gear from a distributor, reseller, or direct from the manufacturer I have just seen it implemented (rather unsuccessfully) many times by ISPs such as yourselves, and am trying to help you avoid making such a mistake The idea of a WISP buying group is nothing original, for the past few years, I've seen this idea come up at least once a month on some WISP listserv / forum / etc... However, if it was really that easy and simple -- why hasn't it been implemented yet on a consistent long term basis? Here's my observation -The guys that fail with their buying group end up getting their inventory liquidated on Ebay, go bankrupt and disappear -The guys that just barely sell their inventory realize how much of a PITA the organization/operation is, and go back to buying from their distributor/reseller/etc -The guys that are extremely successful become resellers/distributors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Tranzeo post
Thanks Neal, I'll pass this along! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Neal Midgley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Tranzeo post Marlon, The issues that people were seeing have all been resolved in the build 89 firmware for the CPQ that is now on our website. If you have further questions please let me know. Thanks Neal Midgley Support Manager Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tech Toll-Free: 1-888-460-6366 Sales Toll-Free: 1-866-872-6936 International: 604-460-6002 Fax: 604-460-6005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in
I would be interested in #1. Dustin Jurman President Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N. Westshore Blvd Tampa, FL 33607 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark KoskenmakiSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:58 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Things you might be interested in I have found myself in need of some devices from time to time that I can't seem to buy at a reasonable price. Since I was laid up for a month and more, I began doing some research on developing things I needed. Before I go into a bunch of work to try to finalize these... I'd like to know if anyone else is interested... 1. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based voltage / charge / temperature / monitoring and/or switching device.You couldmonitorbatteries, solar panels, generator, start/stop things, etc. Cost: ~$200 2. IP addressable, 10/100 ethernet based thermo-electric generator, fueled by propane, either remotely controlled, or operating on a programmable basis -to operate as a backup power supply in conjunction with 12 or 24V battery based DC systems. Would provide battery monitoring, as well. Approximate cost: $2500 for a 75 watt 24V system. Could be made in 20, 50, 100, or larger wattage sizes - cost rises considerable with power output. This would serve as backup for a solar/wind or even for AC in conjunction with lead-acid batteries. 3. "crash detect and reboot" system. This would connect via 10/100M ethernet to a network, ping a programmable IP (in fact, several of them) and be able to power cycle dc or ac powered equipment. Programmable as to how many pings to miss, how long to power down, etc. Cost: ~$200. Each of these devices would be designed to operate on very minimal power and tolerate temperature extremes. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
