I'll make some calls tomorrow and see what the distributors say.
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume.
Example: If I say "put me down for 20 units and here's my credit
card". You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items.
Hi,
There are so many risks that _someone_ is going to have to assume.
Example: If I say "put me down for 20 units and here's my credit card".
You place the order with the distributor, and I get my items. However,
either the distributor will put each order in different names (thus,
once the b
Basically what I propose (in a nutshell) is going to a the distrobuters
and saying this. I have ten or twenty or whatever WISPs and we all want
to buy ten units of *insert brand here* and have them all shipped to
different addresses and charged to different accounts. What are you
willing to d
Charles,
I fully second your post.
Well said.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WI
Also, how much of a "real" savings are you going to see buying a 500
pack compared with a 100 pack? I'm not sure how the pricing structure
works with Moto, but with other places the biggest savings is from 10/20
packs to 100 or 250 packs. Going from 100 to 500 yields very minimal
changes ($10 p
Well, I'm not a Canopy user, but am close to making the leap. (would
have done it long time ago if gear was a reasonable price)
Whoever buys the gear. Group name or Joe Blow.
Attention Canopy users how are warranty issues handled? If I buy gear
on ebay can I send it into Moto for warranty?
I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it.
First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200
some bucks and support the industry.
Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but
prolly 100 pack to start)
Third step. Go to mot
I'd like to add, that US manufacturers are required by law to offer
replacement parts for their products for a minimum of 10 years. Maybe it
also applies to software? Its also possible that even through a bankruptcy,
the liabilty to maintain that support may have been assumed when buying the
pr
And, the other issue is the purchase will be made in the "group" name,
so how do you handle warranty issues?
Travis
Microserv
Charles Wu wrote:
You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating
the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a
volume
Aren't those the old Metrocom antennas that are
like 17 degs wide beamwidth and 90 deg verticle beamwidth, the opposite of what
a WISP would need? Maybe I'm getting them confused with another
model?
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
Broadband
- Origina
Hey Charles ... long time no see ... any winog on 2006 ?
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:26
See inline...
ly. But
no email server worth it's salt should dump it's spool and put
out an undeliverable bounce in that amount of time.
I disagree. Your view is old school, and todays a new world. The trend is
that people want to know when their messages are not successfully delivered
to t
From the feedback I've received, it seems to me that the
digital-loggers model is the best.
Of course, they are pricier. But as you say, one truck roll alone will
pay for the extra $130 the digital-loggers device costs.
Thanks a lot for the shared experience.
Mario
Tom DeReggi wrote:
We've h
We've had several occasions were the APC master controllers go bad, and when
they lock up they throw every thing to a POWER OFF status. Truck roll!!! I
think its a horrible design that it doesn't fail to a Power on state.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadban
Charles,
I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is
I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't
difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed
membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as
hell
You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating
the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a
volume club.
We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and
getting a T1 line
Having run both a WISP and a distribution company,
Huh?
They are included ...
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:46 PM
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Subject
Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.
George
G.Villarini wrote:
$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying? I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Or
great prices!
G.Villarini wrote:
$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying? I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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From: [EMAIL
$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying? I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O
I'll bet we could get coverage for the liability, but the riders for
gear might be another thing. If one company handles a ton of WISPs,
that is a lot of lightning pay outs...
Dylan Oliver wrote:
I'm now talking to Jamie Davis of a NASBA (Association of
System
Builders) insurance program.
Who, ME??
Geeze, and I left Spokane so that I didn't have to pack heat anymore!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
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I'm now talking to Jamie Davis of a NASBA (Association of System
Builders) insurance program. He's been helpful so far, and I've
suggested they facilitate the insurance process for WISPs. I don't know
what they've got yet, but check them out:
Jamie Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
1908 South el Camino Re
You're a dead man Marlon.. I'm calling the boys in Brooklyn
right now.!
:-P
-B-
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I'm cleaning some stuff up on the puter. Found a few pics from the
2004 FCC trip.
For those that have never seen him, the guy in the white shirt is our
v
Yes, I agree with you. I'd be a great deal @ $295. On the other hand, me
personally, I don't need any 900 mhz at the moment. When we open our PNW
offices we will of course. :-) next month (Jan 2005)
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Yes, I believe I was looking at all 900 products.
If a 100 pack is 29
we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff.
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press.
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging
even for 900 mhz.
$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $
Yes, I believe I was looking at all 900 products.
If a 100 pack is 295, a 500 pack (buying group) might just be
affordable for ma and pa WISP.
A. Huppenthal wrote:
check if you are comparing apples to apples. 900 Mhz units are much
more expensive.
Have fun, whatever you decide.
Bri
I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices is
295 each for connectorized. Cheaper then some "roll your own".
A. Huppenthal wrote:
I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I want
to research on behalf of the list.
google:
motorola canopy
check if you are comparing apples to apples. 900 Mhz units are much
more expensive.
Have fun, whatever you decide.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
432631
Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-50
$26,250
I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I want
to research on behalf of the list.
google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.
I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.
I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.
Brian Rohrbache
432631
Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-50
$26,250
Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k
Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid
at all costs.
The 100 pack is
'people' is me.
note: posting here showed $270 quantity one Moto SM w/power supply on
ebay for example.
Its just a thought. I've bought dozens and dozens of Moto SM radios near
$260 each over the past 12 months all at 5s and 10s quantity. So it can
be done, just wished it would be a bit easi
I just wish people would quit quoting the Q100 or Q500 price to compare
CPE equipment costs.
Quote the Q1 cost. We all know that one can do better in larger
quantity. But most of us don't buy in Q100 or Q500.
Most of us do good to buy Q5 or Q10.
The high CPE cost is what keeps me from even
Good ideas. Partnering with a successful existing ISPCON would be
great. I'm not close to Baltimore, so it would be my first choice. :-)
I didn't know there was a WISP buying club. That would be a wonderful
thing. Do you mean like Price Club or somesuch? Wow, now if they'd
carry the end-user
Well, I tend to agree. Moto builds cable modems, and other competitive
products. We aren't going to change Moto's pricing policy, product
strategy, or anything else - well, unless we all work together.
I see 500 packs broken all the time - so that's the idea - a bunch of us
put in 1/20th of t
If you want a buying club, could I suggest that you organize with one of
the existing ones?
Every time another one is set up in this industry, it dilutes the power.
It's a shame the groups can't all work together more, but that is what
is. (I have tried to collaborate that effort and I have lost
He's at Cisco.
Marlon
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Now if only we could get Moto to stop working so
hard against us at the FCC and to basically use the average wisp to support the
biggest fo the big. After all, who's gonna need 500 packs of anything
until you're pretty dang good sized? And how are you supposed to do that
when your money is
Where is Pepper these days? He'd make a great WISPA board member.
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
This one is from the WISP showcase that the FCC put on a year or two
ago. At least I think that's what it was.
On the left is me. Then Gene Gains (sometimes he's got time to take
people
Lobster and Beer? Is this in DC? Nice.
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Someone asked a while ago about Canopy prices. The last post I did was
on 900 Mhz - okay we all don't live in the Eastern US or other
high-treed areas.
Of course, if you are spending an average of 1 hour a month screwing
around with each subscriber you aren't going to have a successful WISP
ei
WISPA's intrepid leader back before there was a WISPA. grin
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I shot him a note this am. thanks!
Marlon
Kris may be a little behind. He was in Tampa for the ISP Expo Saturday.
BTW, Dustin at RSENG / TransmitRF presented some excellent information
on wireless.
Expo Round-up here: http://4isps.com/newsletter.
I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'.
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm
all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked
by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get
what you want and b
hear hear. I totally agree with you. I have very little experience with
Insurance, but mine is a million dollar policy we use for towers and
other reasons. Its about $100 a month. I'm sure there's a specialized
insurance company that likely does this. Anyone have a contact at
American Towers? P
He's going to check on what kind of group programs then can come up with for
us.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Would he give WISPA a good rate? Anyone interested could get quotes
and maybe he could cut us a break? I want this trade association to
get some members services so people have a reason to join. With added
services comes members and money. With members and money com
Would he give WISPA a good rate? Anyone interested could get quotes and
maybe he could cut us a break? I want this trade association to get
some members services so people have a reason to join. With added
services comes members and money. With members and money comes "pull"
at the FCC leve
We use Basin Insurance in Moses Lake Wa. Gary Troutman has been GREAT. And
he's really done a lot of research into my industry. He's got me on some
very cool insurance programs. Good reasonable stuff.
His number is:
509.765.4785
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipm
Hey Marlon,
Here's what I see as our opportunity. In the past, the only
beneficiaries for Universal Services funds where the telcos. They also
collected many billions of dollars on behalf of rural
telecommunications. Like our central Colorado valley, the Telco spend
nothing on new services bu
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2005/wireless_new_year.html
Enjoy!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.1
I shot him a note this am. thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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