[WSG] Default style declaration?

2011-01-14 Thread Richard R. Hill
The W3C HTML 4.01 standards specify when style attributes are used the default style sheet language should be specified using a Content-Style-Type HTTP header or meta tag. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#h-14.2.1 . One of the validation tools I use (TotalValidator) always

Re: [WSG] Default style declaration?

2011-01-14 Thread David Dorward
On 14 Jan 2011, at 18:40, Richard R. Hill wrote: Yet, the W3C validation tolls never flag a missing default CSS language declaration as an issue when validation XHTML. The W3C Validation Service is a generic SGML/XML validator, not an HTML conformance checker. It doesn't check for things

Re: [WSG] list style with inline image issue

2010-10-15 Thread tee
Update: IE6 needs vertical-align:text-top in order for the image aligns with text whereas IE7 requires extra vertical-align:top declares in the LI. IE8 doesn't need any of these so I guess IE9 will be the same which I don't have a way to test as the beta version wiped out my IE8 so I can't

[WSG] list style with inline image issue

2010-10-14 Thread tee
In this page: http://lotusseedsdesign.com/css-test/list-style.html Only Firefox got it right. Have not checked in IE yet. li {padding-bottom: 5px;clear: both;list-style-type: disc;margin-left: 25px;} li img {float: left;margin-right:10px;margin-bottom: 10px;border:0}

Re: [WSG] list style with inline image issue

2010-10-14 Thread Tim White
Tee, Just a quick test I came up with this: li { padding-bottom: 5px; clear: both; list-style-type: disc; padding-left: 75px; margin-bottom: 50px; position: relative; } li img { position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0;

Re: [WSG] list style with inline image issue

2010-10-14 Thread tee
Tim, Thanks! This won't work very well though because not all LIs have image and I can't foresee which one will not have. Your example gave me an idea to remove the float, and it seems to be working. See the test page again! vertical-align:top makes the image aligns with the text. tee On

[WSG] content style type

2010-07-01 Thread designer
Sorry if this is obvious, but could someone explain to me the value of using: meta http-equiv=Content-Style-Type content=text/css/ In the head section of a page. I can't grasp: a) what exactly it does, b) what is 'missing' if it isn't there? etc. Please. Thanks, Bob

Re: [WSG] content style type

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Re: [WSG] content style type

2010-07-01 Thread Edward Lynn
I've personally never had to use that Bob. There's an explanation here... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2025786/why-use-meta-tag-content-style-type-for-external-css But personally I dont feel it's at all necessary Ed On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:58 PM, designer

Re: [WSG] content style type

2010-07-01 Thread designer
Thanks Gentlemen - I thought so! Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Print style sheet

2010-02-17 Thread Lesley Binks
On 17 February 2010 03:42, c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Hi all, Just wondering about best practice, accessibility and practical implementation of a print stylesheet. I have been asked to place a different header image in my HTML templates specifically for print (only shows when printed

RE: [WSG] Print style sheet [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2010-02-17 Thread Grace, Gordon
You seem to be on the right track, Oliver. Matthew's response regarding targeting media types is also helpful. One of the implementations I've used before is described below. Note that: - The print-only version of the logo is the near-last element in the page. I assume that someone will read

[WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread nedlud
Hi there, I need to write a web style guide for our web site. Does anyone know of any good examples I could draw inspiration from? We already have our style sheets etc working, but need to have some kind of documentation we can hand to third party or contract developers so they can work to our

RE: [WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread Webb, KerryA
Lucien wrote: Hi there, I need to write a web style guide for our web site. Does anyone know of any good examples I could draw inspiration from? You'll find a lot of government guides online, such as http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ or

Re: [WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread kris wright
Hi Lucien, I don't have any style guides of my own to share, but I have two links you may want to review: A List Apart: Writing an interface style guidehttp://www.alistapart.com/articles/writingainterfacestyleguide/( http://www.alistapart.com/articles/writingainterfacestyleguide/) Government of

Re: [WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread Nick Cowie
And a couple more links: http://www.pebbleroad.com/articles/view/Creating-Maintaining-a-Web-Style-Guide/ http://delicious.com/maish/styleguide 2009/12/3 kris wright kcwri...@gmail.com: Hi Lucien, I don't have any style guides of my own to share, but I have two links you may want to review:

Re: [WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread nedlud
Thanks everyone. Some great resources there. I have plenty to read now :) Lucien. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com wrote: And a couple more links: http://www.pebbleroad.com/articles/view/Creating-Maintaining-a-Web-Style-Guide/

Re: [WSG] web style guide

2009-12-02 Thread Nathanael Boehm
Just some recent blog posts on style guide to add to your reading list: http://www.purecaffeine.com/2009/11/style-guides-and-ui-implementation/ http://www.purecaffeine.com/2009/11/style-guides-and-ui-implementation-part-2/ Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Web user interaction designer user experience

Re: [WSG] list-style can't work with inline and float in IE?

2008-12-13 Thread Ben Buchanan
2008/12/13 tee weblis...@gmail.com I have two list items that must display horizontally. Wanting to use list-style instead of background image, but in IE 6 and 7, the circle style refuses to show up even I adjusted padding left (or margin). ul.add-to li{ padding: 5px 10px 5px

Re: [WSG] list-style can't work with inline and float in IE?

2008-12-13 Thread tee
On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote: 2008/12/13 tee weblis...@gmail.com I have two list items that must display horizontally. Wanting to use list-style instead of background image, but in IE 6 and 7, the circle style refuses to show up even I adjusted padding left (or

[WSG] list-style can't work with inline and float in IE?

2008-12-12 Thread tee
I have two list items that must display horizontally. Wanting to use list-style instead of background image, but in IE 6 and 7, the circle style refuses to show up even I adjusted padding left (or margin). ul.add-to li{ padding: 5px 10px 5px 0;list-style-type: circle;font- size:

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-02 Thread David Hucklesby
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Ive had to work on macs

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Dorward
On 1 Aug 2008, at 16:22, Michael Horowitz wrote: but this does not .small { font-size:8x; } x isn't a unit. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Al Sparber
From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting this works select style= font-size: 8px name=cruiseline but this does not select class=small name=month .small { font-size:8x; } 8x is a typo? -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Automated Menu Systems | Galleries |

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Michael Horowitz wrote: Interesting this works select style= font-size: 8px name=cruiseline but this does not select class=small name=month .small { font-size:8x; } Interesting how? Typos usually /don't/ work, in my experience :-) -- Hassan Schroeder -

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Fuller - magickweb
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:47 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not Michael Horowitz wrote: Interesting this works

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder
David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time to time and wonder why it won't work... Its just part n parcel of the coding world... True enough, but when something doesn't work running it through a validator (or even an intelligent

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Fuller - magickweb
:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time to time and wonder why it won't work... Its just part n parcel of the coding world... True

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Gregorio Espadas
I use Bluefish under Linux, my every day system. In Windows, I use phpDesigner 2008. Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM, David Fuller - magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? Myself I am a

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Tomczek
I'm not sure if this has already been addressed (the original subject of the email), but have you tried using something like firebug in firefox and tracing the css hierarchy? As for editors Aptana is my editor of choice for any open source web project (http://www.aptana.com/). It even does Ruby

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder
David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? This is probably veering OT, but I use jEdit -- feature-rich, easily extensible, runs on anything with a JVM. And free/open source :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Fuller - magickweb
://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Turnwall
PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Come

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Fuller - magickweb
PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Turnwall Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not If you are on a mac, Textmate is the best choice. -- Michael

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Ive had to work on macs in the past – I wouldn’t wish them on my enemy – sorry Michael :P And the relevance of this comment to the subject at hand, or web standards in general, is what exactly? Andrew

RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread David Fuller - magickweb
:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Ive had to work on macs in the past - I wouldn't wish them on my enemy - sorry Michael :P And the relevance of this comment

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Horowitz
I know typos kill me. Sorry about bothering people with that. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 David Dorward wrote: On 1 Aug 2008, at 16:22, Michael Horowitz wrote: but this does not .small { font-size:8x; } x isn't a unit.

[WSG] Hero Style Presentation

2008-02-05 Thread Web Man Walking
Hello I remember seeing a few years ago a presentation done (in HTML) about Web Standards. It had a whole load of Super hero / Roy Lichtenstein style graphics. Anyone have a link, I really would appreciate it? Thanks E. ***

Re: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation

2008-02-05 Thread David Dorward
On 5 Feb 2008, at 09:43, Web Man Walking wrote: Hello I remember seeing a few years ago a presentation done (in HTML) about Web Standards. It had a whole load of Super hero / Roy Lichtenstein style graphics. Anyone have a link, I really would appreciate it? Is this what you mean?

RE: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation

2008-02-05 Thread Web Man Walking
Hurrah! Thank you. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 05 February 2008 10:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation On 5 Feb 2008, at 09:43, Web Man Walking wrote: Hello I remember seeing a few

RE: [WSG] Print style sheets

2007-06-08 Thread michael.brockington
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucien Stals Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:18 AM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Print style sheets Hi all, I'd written a print style sheet for a site I'd done ( http://www.swin.edu.au/ads/ltshowcase/inspire/presentations.html ), but the feedback I got

Re: [WSG] Print style sheets

2007-06-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 6/7/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd written a print style sheet for a site I'd done ( http://www.swin.edu.au/ads/ltshowcase/inspire/presentations.html ), but the feedback I got was that nobody knew it was there (unless they printed the page). So I hit google for

[WSG] Print style sheets

2007-06-07 Thread Lucien Stals
Hi all, I'd written a print style sheet for a site I'd done ( http://www.swin.edu.au/ads/ltshowcase/inspire/presentations.html ), but the feedback I got was that nobody knew it was there (unless they printed the page). So I hit google for some suggestions on how best to do this. This has lead

[WSG] print style question

2006-02-13 Thread Ted Drake
HI All I've got a nagging issue. It's on a local directory, so I can't share the url. I've got a page with two large tables. Each is in its own container div. I'd like to get the second table to print on its own page. I've already made both containing divs block level and applied the

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Lea de Groot
On 31/01/2006, at 4:59 PM, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my ph1 etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have no style applied that is defined in the style sheet, is that possible? You would have to

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 1/31/06, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all. All browsers have a default style sheet, and there's differences between the default styles in different browsers, so there's no such thing as 'no

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Joshua Street
Practically speaking, it's a good idea to reset font-size, padding and margin on * at the start of your CSS file. This does help improve consistancy somewhat. * { padding:0; margin:0; font-size:100.01%; } Then, obviously, you can style individual elements from that, and you know what the default

RE: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
, 1 February 2006 1:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] No style On 1/31/06, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all. All browsers have a default style sheet, and there's

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 31/01/06, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all. Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my ph1 etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Joshua Street
That's still going to be 1em of whatever 1em becomes by the time you get down to #editableArea (i.e. 1em of (x) on #editableArea of (y) on #body of (z) on #html), isn't it? On 2/1/06, Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possible solution would be not so much to have 'no style' but to

Re: [WSG] No style

2006-01-31 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 01/02/06, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's still going to be 1em of whatever 1em becomes by the time youget down to #editableArea (i.e. 1em of (x) on #editableArea of (y) on#body of (z) on #html), isn't it? Hmm... good point. Might need some tweaking, but I'm not sure how.

[WSG] No style

2006-01-30 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all. Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my ph1 etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have no style applied that is defined in the style sheet, is that

Re: [WSG] list-style-image in horizonal menu

2005-08-07 Thread standards
Thank you both very much! I did set the list-style-image as a background and it worked like a charm. The only difference was instead of setting the positioning using left center, I used 0 40%, which placed the image pefectly inline with the text. I'll take a look at the artile cited below, and

[WSG] list-style-image in horizonal menu

2005-08-06 Thread standards
Goodevening All, I have a slight problem. I can't seem to get the list-style-image to work, which is part of a unordered list set to display inline in a horizonal menu bar. I've reviewed my books, The CSS Anthology and Web Standards Solutions, but I must be missing something therefore any

Re: [WSG] list-style-image in horizonal menu

2005-08-06 Thread russ - maxdesign
I agree with Patrick - I'd use background-image instead of list-style-image as you have far more control over the placement of the image using the background-position property. Russ Alternatively, you could try and add left-hand padding and place the star as a non-repeating background image

Re: [WSG] list-style-image in horizonal menu

2005-08-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Terrence Wood wrote: display:inline prevents your bullet from displaying. Try float:left; and adjust your margins to suit. Alternatively, you could try and add left-hand padding and place the star as a non-repeating background image #topnav ul li { display: inline; padding-left:

Re: [WSG] list-style-image in horizonal menu

2005-08-06 Thread Terrence Wood
In fact, you could put the background image in the anchor to achieve a rollover affect by adjusting the background position, or changing the the image. Here's a good article on single background images and positioning: http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2004/05/navigation_matr.php kind

[WSG] Border-style: double Experiments

2005-07-22 Thread Julián Landerreche
Hi all, well, I think this is my first e-mail to this great list (or at least, one of the first ones). I have been reading since more than 1 year, and I have learned a lot. I have been experimenting with double borders in CSS. They are really cool. Lot of weird/cool effects can be achieved by

[WSG] Accordion style script behaviour

2005-06-23 Thread Peter Ottery
i really like this accordion show/hide script... http://openrico.org/demos.page?demo=ricoAccordion.html .. and am thinking it might be useful for a really long list of FAQ's on a page. this particular example relies on the quite sizeable 'rico' _javascript_/s (which contain a whole bunch of other

Re: [WSG] Accordion style script behaviour

2005-06-23 Thread sam sherlock
I would try youngpup.net and may be shaun innman atb Sam Peter Ottery wrote: i really like this accordion show/hide script... http://openrico.org/demos.page?demo=ricoAccordion.html .. and am thinking it might be useful for a really long list of FAQ's on a page. this particular example relies

Re: [WSG] Accordion style script behaviour

2005-06-23 Thread Andrew Ivin
Hi Peter, ...also, in Jeffrey Zeldman's book, Designing with Web Standards, there's some material which covers this in his chapter on working with DOM based scripts. On 6/24/05, Peter Ottery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really like this accordion show/hide script...

[WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do.

Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails[FIXED IT]

2005-04-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Solved it, a typo. On Monday, April 18, 2005, at 02:36 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK

RE: [WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Rebecca Cox
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 9:36 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Print Style Fails Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded

Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Haydn Bagtas
I think its because html {width: 100%} is not the right way of doing it... have you tried body {width: 100%}? This works fine with my work. Cheers __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides!

Re: [WSG] xHTML style guide/ coding guidelines

2005-01-23 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:18:39 -0500, Rob McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Anyone know of a nice style guide (or guidelines)for writing xHTML/HTML .. Rob New York Public Library Online Style Guide http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/ David -- http://www.dlaakso.com/

[WSG] xHTML style guide/ coding guidelines

2005-01-21 Thread Rob McCormack
. Anyone know of a nice style guide (or guidelines)for writing xHTML/HTML. . What I mean is, how code should be specifically formatted, indents, wraps, placement of comments, treatment of long lines, suggestion for nesting tables etc. Example: tabletr tdabc/td /tr /table is far LESS

RE: [WSG] xHTML style guide/ coding guidelines

2005-01-21 Thread Mike Pepper
Rob, Let's rework your example: divpabc/p/div You really ought forget about nesting tables, in fact you might want to read up on using containers - divs - to create elements in the markup and CSS to control their display. Not what you want to hear, I know but take a long, determined look at

Re: [WSG] xHTML style guide/ coding guidelines

2005-01-21 Thread Susan R. Grossman
. Anyone know of a nice style guide (or guidelines)for writing xHTML/HTML. I think what you're asking about is a best practices guide, and most development departments have them. One example is here: http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/bestwebdev.html -- Susan R. Grossman

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Collin Davis
Mordechai, I can't speak for everybody, but as the person responsible for designing and creating websites whose sole purpose is to bring new business into the company; my main focus is the majority that comes to our sites. The overwhelming majority (about 70%) of visitors use MSIE 5/6. If I have

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mathias Bynens
As a person, you can of course say fuck you to IE, but as a web professional I find it impossible to ignore it. [ Ben de Groot - http://mathibus.com/archives/2004/10/02/phpss/#comment-3 ] On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:52:46 -0600, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mordechai, I can't speak for

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:46:56 +0100, Mathias Bynens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a person, you can of course say fuck you to IE, but as a web professional I find it impossible to ignore it. [ Ben de Groot - http://mathibus.com/archives/2004/10/02/phpss/#comment-3 ] It's totally true. IE is a

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
If you make commercial sites you must live with the fact that it is mainly for IE. Loudest f. you I can tell to IE is Firebar: http://hpstudios.homeip.net/Firebar.html Usually I don't have to trash the code with conditional comments. * html {} and * {} css hacks are enough. I try to make pages

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: I can't speak for everybody, but as the person responsible for designing and creating websites whose sole purpose is to bring new business into the company; my main focus is the majority that comes to our sites. As I though I explained before, and as I'll try to clarify some

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Collin Davis
: [WSG] Why style to IE? I don't believe Mordechai was suggesting anyone ignore IE -- rather that, instead of bashing our heads against the proverbial brick wall trying to make our standards-compliant sites work in IE, it may be a workable option to use an alternative to said head bashing and css

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread David Laakso
Right on, Vicki. Additionally, conditional comments are not blocked in IE --as is JavaScript-- if the user has her Security setting at High. David On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:15:12 +0800, Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe Mordechai was suggesting anyone ignore IE -- rather

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Collin Davis
Mordechai Pellar wrote: So you limit yourself to what NN4.x and can handle? It was NN4.x and older browsers that the phrase unstyled or lightly styled was directed, unless you consider CSS dumb down to IE standards (admittedly, that usually amounts to no more than a slight margin, but a

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread berry
Mordechai Peller wrote: I know there's a certain degree of revulsion to using JavaScript, but that's because it wasn't used properly. It's a very powerful language, and when combined with the DOM, and used responsibly, it can do many wonderful things. -- I agree with you

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread standards
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Why style to IE? I don't believe Mordechai was suggesting anyone ignore IE -- rather that, instead of bashing our heads against the proverbial brick wall trying to make our standards-compliant sites work

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: The bashing of head against the proverbial brick wall comes from trying to make my standards-compliant sites work the same in FF/Opera/NN/Safari as they do in IE. I first make sure the sites look and perform the way I want in both MSIE 5 and 6. After that is successful, I

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: Since IE doesn't recognize :hover apart from anchor tags, I only use :hover on anchor tags. As I have done as well. Though now I'm wondering why not just use an onmouseover, hidden by either conditional comments or conditional compilation, as well? However, if NN4.x was

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
I think it is important *not to* buildtest in IE first. You have to avoid building your code on top of some IE bug/quirk. It is much less work to force IE to behave well, than making all other browsers misbehave like IE. For that matter I build and test pages for Firefox and Opera7 first (having

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Collin Davis
Mordechai Peller wrote: And there's your mistake. As has been discussed many times on this list and elsewhere, it's much easier and faster to first code to standards and then correct for IE. I may be a duck out of water here, but I don't find it to be so. I've done it both ways, and marking

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Collin Davis
You have to avoid building your code on top of some IE bug/quirk. The only bug/quirk with IE that I've come across that needed my attention was the big one: box model. I prefer to use the box in a box sort of workaround, rather than tantek, SBMH, modified SBMH or alternate BMHs, simply because I

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
The only bug/quirk with IE that I've come across that needed my attention was the big one: box model. I prefer to use the box in a box sort of workaround This needs excessive divs and without IE support for '' selector requires them additionally messed with lots of id/classes. Why serve any

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread David Laakso
re: and even not all stylesheets are 'pure', take this one: Name: Lim Yuan Qing Age: 14 DOB: 25th January 1990 Location: Singapore Yuan Qing is an alumnus of Temasek Secondary and Ngee Ann Primary. Come 2005 he will attend school at Temasek Junior College in its Integrated Programme (IP). On

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread ByteDreams
Title: RE: [WSG] Why style to IE? Thanks for the Dean Edwards link! ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Why

RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread ByteDreams
Title: RE: [WSG] Why style to IE? One other thing... Have you not used this method yourself for any particular reason, other than the opportunity just didn't present itself? Just curious. ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

[WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Something I've been thinking about: Why do people limit themselves to CSS which IE and handle? Lest I be misunderstood, please allow me to explain. Most of IE's CSS failings can be simulated with JavaScript, so why not take advantage of it? For the most part, for those who wouldn't see the

Re: [WSG] Print Style Sheet Inconsistencies

2004-12-02 Thread Chris Stratford
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: 1) Printing IGNORES all background attributes... This is understandable - but I didn't realise this until just now... So my LI background elements weren't printing (or showing in Print Preview which is how I check what it looks like) A small

RE: [WSG] Print Style Sheet Inconsistencies

2004-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Chris Stratford I dont know if I explained it correctly - or if you understoood what I meant. But the problem I am having is the LIST BULLET are printing in IE, but not FF... Ah ok, I thought you had used trickery with background images. Fair enough, it looks like a wrong-ish

[WSG] Print Style Sheet Inconsistencies

2004-12-01 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey List, I am trying to develop a website at the moment and I want to have a great stylesheet for printing as well as a great layout sheet... http://inspiro.neester.com A problem I had was with LI images - I had 2 main issues here: 1) Printing IGNORES all background attributes... This is

Re: [WSG] Print Style Sheet Inconsistencies

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Chris Stratford wrote: 1) Printing IGNORES all background attributes... This is understandable - but I didn't realise this until just now... So my LI background elements weren't printing (or showing in Print Preview which is how I check what it looks like) A small consolation: you can set your

Re: [WSG] My Style Switcher... (CSS Caching)

2004-10-24 Thread RMW Web Publishing
Again no disrespect - I too am all for easier maintenance on the server side, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that your files will be cached just because the URL doesn't change. I have just made several requests to your site all the (index page) and each time your CSS was downloaded

[WSG] My Style Switcher...

2004-10-22 Thread Chris Stratford
*Hey WSG,* I have just begun re-development of neester.com once again. This time because my server switched Magic Quotes on... Which is good! But all my old scripting had addslashes etc... and it just became really dodgy etc... It was a good excuse to redevelop it again. If you goto

Re: [WSG] My Style Switcher...

2004-10-22 Thread Chris Stratford
Sorry if the last part of that didn't make sense. When it echos the default CSS to the browser - I just meant. It is irrelivant what page you are on. Becuase its global CSS... This is what the CSS looks like in the PHP: body { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 150px 0; background: #?=$BODY_COLOUR?

RE: [WSG] My Style Switcher...

2004-10-22 Thread Michael Dale
I use a style switcher on my site although it works a bit differently. $dxstyle = $_COOKIE[dxstyle]; $replace_strings = array(../ , ..\\ , /.., \\.., .); $dxstyle = str_replace($replace_strings, , $dxstyle); style type=text/css media=screen ?php echo @import url(; if

Re: [WSG] My Style Switcher...

2004-10-22 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey Michael, Sorry my title is a little off - the post isn't so much about the cookie and the style switcher. But more about the PHP code being very efficent in presenting the CSS to the browser. So you only load the CSS you are using on that page... And you have 1 file, for every page, and for

Re: [WSG] My Style Switcher...

2004-10-22 Thread Anton
Sounds pretty cool. I'm curious though, what's the file size of all that php in the css, as opposed to actually handling 4 separate css files for color that can @import the main body/text styles from a fifth master file? It sounds really big and fancy, but for a style switcher I'm just wondering

[WSG] braille style sheet

2004-10-06 Thread Ted Drake
Has anyone on the list ever made a braille style sheet? What is involved? Are there any templates to suggest a standard braille sheet? What about Aural style sheets? I'm referring to the w3c media descriptors: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/types.html#h-6.13 braille Intended for braille

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