Re: [WSG] Help (another topic)
If you only want to show the user there IP address, something as simple as ?php print $_SERVER[''REMOTE_ADDR] ? ... would work. On Nov 10, 2007 3:30 PM, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks James, Only one minor problem, I know nearly nothing about PHP. How would I write this up? Bob For something that simple you could use PHP and use $_SERVER ['REMOTE_ADDR'] www.php.net James On Nov 10, 2007 1:41 PM, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a client who wants a page personalized for him similar to this: http://www.vermiip.es/il-mio-ip/ so people can discover their IP. I have Googled about trying to find code that does it, but all I find are site that do it. Does anyone know (have) the code? Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help (another topic)
OK thanks, having just had my wrists slapped by another, I'll drop this off topic thread. Bob If you only want to show the user there IP address, something as simple as ?php print $_SERVER[''REMOTE_ADDR] ? ... would work. On Nov 10, 2007 3:30 PM, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks James, Only one minor problem, I know nearly nothing about PHP. How would I write this up? Bob For something that simple you could use PHP and use $_SERVER ['REMOTE_ADDR'] www.php.net James On Nov 10, 2007 1:41 PM, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a client who wants a page personalized for him similar to this: http://www.vermiip.es/il-mio-ip/ so people can discover their IP. I have Googled about trying to find code that does it, but all I find are site that do it. Does anyone know (have) the code? Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help IE
Georg, Found the problem. I still had some empty divs (class clearit divs) after I put a comment in them, all is rosy in IE land. Thanks a lot for your help. Bob Bob Schwartz wrote: I'm still getting a problem with the area under the tabs, IE is showing about 25px of the content background (con-cen) above the top content curve (con-top) I can't see that in IE6 for my (original) test case... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/bs-1/test_07_1110.html regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help IE
Hi Bob Not related to your IE issues, but if you need some help with testing in IE (including multiple IEs), here's a fairly successful workflow to follow as a write up in the WSG resource section: http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/resource_display.cfm?resource_id=896 I've found this makes a whole load of testing issues a non-issue :) HTH James On Nov 11, 2007 4:34 AM, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georg, Found the problem. I still had some empty divs (class clearit divs) after I put a comment in them, all is rosy in IE land. Thanks a lot for your help. Bob Bob Schwartz wrote: I'm still getting a problem with the area under the tabs, IE is showing about 25px of the content background (con-cen) above the top content curve (con-top) I can't see that in IE6 for my (original) test case... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/bs-1/test_07_1110.html regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] HELP with CSS
Hi Olajide Your page suffers from a common ailment. You are approaching CSS before structural markup. You need to re-build your page with semantic markup and then apply the CSS. Here are some common problems that you have. Multiple h1 elements. The H1 should only appear once and should define the whole page. Flyer Design and Nu' Image... should be h3 elements. Div class=thumbnail is repeated. Divs have no structure and are just a container. This should be an unordered list with each div an li and class=thumbnail applied to the ul Why are you using a block quote when there is no quote inside? p In 2005, me and a couple of the youth took on this project to start a youth magazine for the church. Here is the outcome. Designed by yours truely. /p This is a statement by yourself and you are not referencing an outside source. The blockqoute is an incorrect use. Don't use inline images to replace a simple background color: li img src=images/red.gif alt=Olajide Olaolorun height=40 width=40 /li li img src=images/red.gif alt=Olajide Olaolorun height=40 width=40 /li Be careful with using color:#fff without applying a background color to the container. Look at your site with images disabled, white on white text is not very useful. To repeat, you're not alone. Too many people approach CSS without having a good understanding of structural markup. Your code will be bloated and you will end up with complicated CSS until you understand how to use the structural elements correctly. Ted Drake www.last-child.com -- From: Olajide Olaolorun Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:18 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] HELP with CSS Can someone help me out here: http://www.olajideolaolorun.com/gfx/ There is a problem with where the text start and where the pictures end.. For some reson it loads under the pictres and i have to use the p tag to create spacing for it... can someone help me out. -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun ### Personal: http://www.olajideolaolorun.com Business: http://www.tripleo.biz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] HELP with CSS
Thanks everyone but i fixed it with the clear: left;.. lol...
On 7/26/07, WebMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Olajide,
Actually yuors is a pretty simple fix.
Lose the blockquotes and p tags and include your text and graphix
inside your div with your thumbnail. Create a class called
.leftimg {
float:left;
} In your style and then call it from yourimage tag class=leftimg
A working example can be seen at http://1fite.com/17.html
I had a similar problem and solved it.
Good luck,
Troy
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There is a problem with where the text start and where the pictures end..
For some reson it loads under the pictres and i have to use the p tag to
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RE: [WSG] HELP with CSS
Hello Olajide,
Actually yuors is a pretty simple fix.
Lose the blockquotes and p tags and include your text and graphix inside
your div with your thumbnail. Create a class called
.leftimg {
float:left;
} In your style and then call it from yourimage tag class=leftimg
A working example can be seen at http://1fite.com/17.html
I had a similar problem and solved it.
Good luck,
Troy
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Behalf Of Olajide Olaolorun
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:18 PM
To: WSG
Subject: [WSG] HELP with CSS
Can someone help me out here:
http://www.olajideolaolorun.com/gfx/
There is a problem with where the text start and where the pictures end..
For some reson it loads under the pictres and i have to use the p tag to
create spacing for it... can someone help me out.
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Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
The magic of asking for help. 17 seconds after I sent the email, I saw the problem and fixed it. Thanks for just being here. ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
style type=text/css
#every_page #index, #every_page #index:hover { color: #4F; background:
#003173; cursor: default;}
/style
should do it (you're also missing the # from index:hover).
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#every_page
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RE: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
On Behalf Of JS Bracher
#every_page li a {
display: block;
height: 1em;
padding: .6em;
font-size: small;
text-decoration: none;
color: #999;
background-color: #4F;
}
#every_page li a:hover {
background-color: #999;
color: #000;
}
This works just fine.
So in the internal style sheet, I do this:
style type=text/css
#index, index:hover { color: #4F; background: #003173; cursor:
default;}
/style
The relevant xhtml:
lia id=index href=index.shtml title=Go HomeHome/a/li
I get the cursor change, but not the color change.
When I load the page, the link style for the link to this page is the
same as the others, except that the cursor is changed from a link
pointer to the default pointer. So I know the style is being applied,
it's just not over-riding the style from the external style sheet.
Do I have precedence wrong?
I'd say specificity, try this:
#every_page li #index,
#every_page li #index:hover { color: #4F; background: #003173;
cursor:default;}
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Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
Thanks John.
Once I realized the problem was a specificity issue, I changed the
internal style block to:
li#index a, li#index a:hover ...
Which is not quite what you did, but it's similar.
Yours is better, it's more explicit about what is being styled.
John Faulds wrote:
style type=text/css
#every_page #index, #every_page #index:hover { color: #4F;
background: #003173; cursor: default;}
/style
should do it (you're also missing the # from index:hover).
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#every_page
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Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
On 7 Jun 2007, at 2:25 PM, JS Bracher wrote: Once I realized the problem was a specificity issue, I changed the internal style block to: li#index a, li#index a:hover ... Hopefully you changed the HTML as well, because the sample you originally posted had the id of 'index' on the a, not the li - ? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
On Behalf Of JS Bracher Once I realized the problem was a specificity issue, I changed the internal style block to: li#index a, li#index a:hover ... Which is not quite what you did, but it's similar. Actually, the above should *not* work as index is not the ID of an LI, but an A --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
On 11 May 2007, at 05:52:58, John Faulds wrote:
You really only need a dimension on the anchors to overcome an IE/
Windows bug when they're set to display: block so you can either
use * html #nav a { height: 1% } or conditional comments. You can
probably ignore my other comment about the hasLayout issue because
I assumed it was an IE problem, but it's not.
If you want to triger hasLayout and you don't have to worry about IE
5.x, you're better off using zoom: 1; rather than mucking about
setting dimensions that IE will just ignore and then having to use
hacks to hide them from other browsers (including IE 7).
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Re: [WSG] Help needed
1. In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m doing wrong here? Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. 2. And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK. I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. 3. I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer. I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m doing wrong here? Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... 2. And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK. I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... 3. I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer. I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's closing a comment that's not opened. On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... snip I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... snip I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
Thanks John. I found the errant */ and the footer is working as it should, so thanks for that. I don't know where my brain is this afternoon - frozen up I think! Would you mind explaining what the fixes actually are? If I give the anchor (link) styles a width, I'm not clear how to do that and make it accurate. Whatever I've tried has taken the bg colour out further than the navbar, and hasn't made any difference to the jumping. And what would the code be for a hasLayout issue? I haven't come across that before ... - susie On 11/5/07 1:27 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's closing a comment that's not opened. On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... snip I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... snip I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
You really only need a dimension on the anchors to overcome an IE/Windows
bug when they're set to display: block so you can either use * html #nav a
{ height: 1% } or conditional comments. You can probably ignore my other
comment about the hasLayout issue because I assumed it was an IE problem,
but it's not.
On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:30:57 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks John.
I found the errant */ and the footer is working as it should, so thanks
for that. I don't know where my brain is this afternoon - frozen up I
think!
Would you mind explaining what the fixes actually are? If I give the
anchor
(link) styles a width, I'm not clear how to do that and make it accurate.
Whatever I've tried has taken the bg colour out further than the navbar,
and
hasn't made any difference to the jumping. And what would the code be
for a
hasLayout issue? I haven't come across that before ...
- susie
On 11/5/07 1:27 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in
Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer
problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's
closing a
comment that's not opened.
On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [WSG] help with page...
Well it's a little hard to explain but I'll try. Inside this tag div id="menu" I have a couple of Nav Studio Menus. It is making my page have an unnecessaryhorizontal scroll bar at the bottom. I was hoping someone with fresh eyes could take a look and see if they spot the reason for this. Everything between... div id="menu" and !-- MENU DIV --/div!-- MENU DIV -- Thankstg - Original Message - From: Paul Bennett To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] help with page... Well, as this is a standards list, the first thing people will do is to validate your code and CSS :) Aside from that, can you be more specific bout the error you're getting? I've had a look on Firefox and IE6 and don't get any scrolling issues caused by the navigation.Paul -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:06 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] help with page...I have a question. I am using Navstudio for menus and I am having aproblem with it overflowing and making me have a scroll at the bottom. Cananyone take a look and see what my problem might be. I'll go ahead and sayit now, but it is not up to standards, it is still in the beginning.Thankstghttp://www.seaycointegrators.com/kelly/test/lollypop.htmlmail2web - Check your email from the web athttp://mail2web.com/ .**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting helpThe discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] HELP
http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_TreeMenu At 07:17 PM 1/03/2006, Al Kendall wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction not out the door please :) to finding a good PHP Menu / Navigation script? -- Thanks! Al Kendall Best Regards Ray Cauchi Manager/Lead Developer ( T W E E K ! ) PO Box 15 Wentworth Falls NSW Australia 2782 | p:+61 2 4757 1600 | f: +61 2 4757 3808 | m: 0414 270 400 | e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | w: http://www.tweek.com.au
Re: [WSG] HELP
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Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
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Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
Hello, having big problems with the jello layout again, It works exactly how i want in firefox but breaks in ie... cant fix it..tried hard. PLEASE help. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/jello2.html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/final.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/theme.css -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
Looking with Firefox 1.0.7, I get a horizontal scroll bar. It looks "broken" but I don't know the layout you're trying to achieve. I was looking at the source and I noticed your body tag is broken.Could that be causing problems? bodydiv id="sizer" Mike Cherimhttp://green-beast.com/http://accessites.org/ - Original Message - From: kvnmcwebn To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] help with jello mold Hello,having big problems with the jello layout again,It works exactly how i want in firefox but breaks in ie... cant fix it..tried hard.PLEASE help.http://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/jello2.htmlhttp://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/final.csshttp://www.mcmonagle.biz/finalsite/theme.css-bestkvnmcwebn**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] help with jello mold
Looking with Firefox 1.0.7, I get a horizontal scroll bar. It looks broken but I don't know the layout you're trying to achieve. I was looking at the source and I noticed your body tag is broken. Could that be causing problems? thanks mike, now i know that its only working in ff 1.5 i fixed the body tag. still no help. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Thank you very much Steve it really works, you were right it just needed
that i put that line
thanks again
- Original Message -
From: Steve Clason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
On 12/17/2005 5:36 PM José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote:
I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not
in
the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css
hack
that i need for IE?
Hi José,
I don't think you need a hack for IE, just to set the line height for
#contentright li. I did this:
#contentright li{
background: url(images/flech.gif) no-repeat left top;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 0.7em;
line-height: 1.2; /*!!! new !!!*/
margin: 5px;
padding: 3px 0 2px 13px;
}
And the right section looks OK in IE and Firefox, although the difference
in font size remains.
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Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Jose - Probably a margin padding issue. Try reducing the padding margin and position the bullets with the xy positioning on the background rule for the li or a:li. I'm not that great with css, you'll probably get some better answers. Have a nice holiday. Matt Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally -- José Kusunoki G. Diseñador [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.constantconcept.com (511) 97004563 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote: I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. It may be a simple case of making sure you set the margin and padding on the ul and li elements, as they do have different default values in different browsers. It could be a double-margin float bug. It could be one of many thousands of IE bugs. Start at position is everything, look through the IE bugs and see if you can find one that resembles your problem. If not, provide much more information about your page. A link to the page is the most useful. http://positioniseverything.net/ PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally It's not a good idea to start a new thread by replying to another message in a completely unrelated thread. Simply changing the subject and deleting the quote (Both of which you initially failed to do.) isn't good enough either, since the message may still contain headers that indicate which thread it's in. Always start a new thread by creating a new message. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
I think that is http://www.constantconcept.com/ On 18/12/05 1:25, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Jorge Laranjo wrote: On 18/12/05 1:25, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. I think that is http://www.constantconcept.com/ My mistake, I didn't look in the sig. Although, it's generally a good idea to explicitly state which site is being talked about in the body of the message anyway. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Hey Jose, It seems that you are referring to the li elements within the #contentright div? I don¹t have IE in front of me but there is a known whitespace bug to do with IE and list items. There are a range of methods that can be used to fix it including: 1. floating the li 2. setting the a element to display block, moving the background image to this element and then adding display: inline to overcome whitespace issues. 3. using negative margins on the li 4. playing with border-bottom on the li Best to try them all and see which suits your needs. On another note, you seem to have linked to the one css file twice in the head of your document. First link: link rel=stylesheet href=http://constantconcept.com/wp-content/themes/mio/style.css; type=text/css media=screen / Second link: style type=text/css !-- @import url(http://constantconcept.com/wp-content/themes/mio/style.css;); -- /style If the aim is to hide styles from older browsers, the second method may be best, but it would definitely be best to link to the same file only once... Unless I am missing something here :) Finally, everyone stuffs up their first post or two to mail lists. I think I stuffed up my first 20 or so... Don't stress about it! HTH Russ Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
On 12/17/2005 5:36 PM José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote:
I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in
the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack
that i need for IE?
Hi José,
I don't think you need a hack for IE, just to set the line height for
#contentright li. I did this:
#contentright li{
background: url(images/flech.gif) no-repeat left top;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 0.7em;
line-height: 1.2; /*!!! new !!!*/
margin: 5px;
padding: 3px 0 2px 13px;
}
And the right section looks OK in IE and Firefox, although the
difference in font size remains.
--
Steve Clason
Web Design and Development
Boulder, Colorado, USA
www.topdogstrategy.com
(303)818-8590
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Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote: Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. José, Before you try to fix the issue with CSS, try removing the whitespace between the list items in the markup. IE has a problem with whitespace in there. HTH, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help FF v1.5 and Flash on a Mac
I need some help urgently. Just downloaded the latest release v1.5 and Flash Player v8. Now my Flash audio stream buttons no longer display, just macromedia's f. What's happened? It appears perfectly on my PC version. http://bangersandmashed.com The Macromedia site reports The Flash Player as installed and then plays a movie. It all worked fine in v1.07. It still works in Safari and IE too, so I don't think it's the Flash install. This is affecting both my Macs Is this a FF bug? Or possibly an unsupported Flash programming method? Any help greatly appreciated. mike 2k:)2 marqueeblink mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://webSemantics.co.uk rest: http://2kool2.com play: http://bangersandmashed.com /marquee/blink ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help FF v1.5 and Flash on a Mac
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:31:27 -0500, Mike Foskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now my Flash audio stream buttons no longer display Confirmed -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin. In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys!On 11/15/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin.In the case you needto apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to inserta nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and thissimple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves mosteffective with todays browsers.Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.comThierry Koblentz wrote:James O'Neill wrote:I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart'shybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works finein Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite along time.It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi!http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try?http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example: http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about using this approach. It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to try and please the browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com James O'Neill wrote: Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys! On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin. In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
I'm confused at your suggestion, why add extra markup when you just need to use the box model hack in the css http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example: http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about using this approach. It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to try and please the browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com James O'Neill wrote: Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys! On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin. In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
What you have to remember to do is subtract any margins, padding, and borders
you have defined for
that element. For instance...
div id=onenbsp;/div
div#one {
width:300px;
background-color:#FF;
}
... displays a div that's 300px wide. But if you want to pad it's contents you
need to subtract
the padding (minus 10 for the left and then minus 10 for the right for a total
of 20px)...
div id=onenbsp;/div
div#one {
width:280px;
padding:10px;
background-color:#FF;
}
... the same goes if you add borders...
div id=onenbsp;/div
div#one {
width:278px;
padding:10px;
border:1px solid #00;
background-color:#FF;
}
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From: Joseph R. B. Taylor
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:05:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with menu
I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example:
http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm
It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about
using this approach. It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to
try and please the browsers.
Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com
James O'Neill wrote:
Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this?
Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight.
Thanks guys!
On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any
elements that have a border, padding or a margin. In the case you
need
to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to
insert
a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up.
This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and
this
simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most
effective with todays browsers.
Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
James O'Neill wrote:
I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's
hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even
with the
rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine
in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a
long time.
It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I
expect
them. Oi!
http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/
Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope
Did you give this one a try?
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp
It is a bit moe accessible.
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com
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Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible. Charlie http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk On 11/15/05, The Visual Process [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused at your suggestion, why add extra markup when you just needto use the box model hack in the css http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.htmlJoseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example: http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about using this approach.It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to try and please the browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com James O'Neill wrote: Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys! On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin.In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Hmmm I disagree, with the hack you can change it from the one css file in the future, with your method you add unnecessary markup to the xhtml. I'd rather use a hack than have bloated markup. (Although these days I use the conditional comment to separate out style sheets when needed which results in no bloated markup and no hacks.) Charlie Bartlett wrote: Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible. Charlie http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk On 11/15/05, The Visual Process [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused at your suggestion, why add extra markup when you just need to use the box model hack in the css http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example: http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about using this approach.It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to try and please the browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com James O'Neill wrote: Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys! On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin.In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ "Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope" Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- __ "Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!" www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
The elaborate on Charlie's statement, the hacks will at some point bite us on the rear end. There's a huge possibility we'll be going back and re-fixing those fixes. I'm too lazy to put myself in that position, which is why I chose this profession in the first place. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Charlie Bartlett wrote: Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible. Charlie http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk On 11/15/05, *The Visual Process* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused at your suggestion, why add extra markup when you just need to use the box model hack in the css http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example: http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good about using this approach. It also frees me from having to stick hacks in to try and please the browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com James O'Neill wrote: Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys! On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin. In the case you need to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to insert a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and this simple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves most effective with todays browsers. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote: James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us http://www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com http://www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com http://www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Charlie Bartlett wrote: Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible. But using an extra DIV like this is also a hack. And not better IMO, since it mixes structure and presentation. My approach is to *not* mix dimensions with padding/border declarations on the same axis. I don't think padding is an issue since it can be moved down to the inner elements. Border is more tricky, but it is always possible to keep the box model in mind and plan ahead when it comes to visual design... Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
The reason I use this technique rather that the box model hack, is because we cannot guarantee that the box model hack will work in future browsers, I know its probably not going to be a big deal to fix it, knocking out a couple of lines of css shouldn't take long, but I prefer not to have clients moaning at me because their sites have suddenly stopped working. This technique is far more future proof, and allthough its not semantically perfect, i prefer it to having unnecessary voice selectors in your style sheet. On 11/15/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Bartlett wrote: Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible.But using an extra DIV like this is also a hack. And not better IMO, since it mixes structure and presentation.My approach is to *not* mix dimensions with padding/border declarations onthe same axis.I don't think padding is an issue since it can be moved down to the inner elements.Border is more tricky, but it is always possible to keep the box model inmind and plan ahead when it comes to visual design...Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com **The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Charlie Bartlett wrote: The reason I use this technique rather that the box model hack, is because we cannot guarantee that the box model hack will work in future browsers, I know its probably not going to be a big deal to fix it, knocking out a couple of lines of css shouldn't take long, but I prefer not to have clients moaning at me because their sites have suddenly stopped working. This technique is far more future proof, and allthough its not semantically perfect, i prefer it to having unnecessary voice selectors in your style sheet. What I was saying is that there are ways to deal with this without any hack at all. It is a matter of moving down the padding declaration. If borders cannot be achieved with images and that *a few pixels* create a problem (because the designer is looking for a pixel-perfect-design-across-the-board), then one can use a conditional comment to fix IE5. In any case, there is no need for an extra DIV in the markup or CSS filters in the stylesheet. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
On Nov 15, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: It is a matter of moving down the padding declaration. This is essentially the same as adding the extra div. div pfoo/p /div Apply the padding to the p instead of hacking the div. It's the same difference. Right Thierry? ;-) - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Tom Livingston wrote: This is essentially the same as adding the extra div. div pfoo/p /div Apply the padding to the p instead of hacking the div. It's the same difference. Right Thierry? ;-) Exactly! It's about constructing the box, not fixing it ;-) Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
James O'Neill wrote: I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a javascript menu
2005-11-09
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Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)
hm try to work a bit more on the header and under the footer the diclamer text is hurting my eyes , try to add font color=black to that text cheers ! 2005/11/9, Charla Nicol | Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, I wonder if anyone can help me, My site : http://mx.quirk.co.za/poohcorner.za.net/indextest2.html on my testing server, the menu displays fine in mozilla firefox, But in ie it doesnt work, im new at this.. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks Charla -- --- Charla Nicol Junior Html Coder and Mail Administrator Quirk eMarketing www.quirk.co.za 021 462 7353 084 637 2198 --- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a javascript menu
Don't you mean color : #000;? Or are you asking her to add a font tag.. Samuel Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net) wrote: hm try to work a bit more on the header and under the footer the diclamer text is hurting my eyes , try to add font color=black to that text cheers ! 2005/11/9, Charla Nicol | Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, I wonder if anyone can help me, My site : http://mx.quirk.co.za/poohcorner.za.net/indextest2.html on my testing server, the menu displays fine in mozilla firefox, But in ie it doesnt work, im new at this.. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks Charla -- --- Charla Nicol Junior Html Coder and Mail Administrator Quirk eMarketing www.quirk.co.za 021 462 7353 084 637 2198 --- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with a javascript menu
Hi Carla,
Add the following style after your hover as shown below.
Regards
Graham Cook
www.uaoz.com
#nav li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}
* html #nav li:hover ul,* html #nav li.sfhover ul {
margin-left: 5em;
}
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Re: [WSG] Help needed with IE drama...
We've worked out that the issue was caused by the comments in the HTML file. Has anyone had this sort of issue before? If there a solution other then removing the comments? Cheers D On 11/4/05, Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow standardites, I'm losing hair over a very annoying IE anomaly... http://golfgods.dev.netconcepts.com/layout.html [check it in FireFox to see how it should be] the bit at the bottom (the section with the border switched on) isn't behaving as i expect it to. its simply an image in a p element...IE has no idea what to do with it and its driving me crazy! the main style sheet is here: http://golfgods.dev.netconcepts.com/css/style.css and the IE hacks are here: http://golfgods.dev.netconcepts.com/css/iehacks.css Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Darren ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help needed with IE drama...
Hi Darren, I haven't reviewed the bug, however if its anything like the issue we've come across with comments [1] then you could try an alternative method of commenting the code. (This goes somewhat to the concept of semantic markup also.) Rather than: !-- begin footer -- div id=footer ... /div !-- end footer -- try: div id=footer ... !-- end footer --/div Rationale: The id attribute identifies the nature of the div (as a result of taking a semantic approach to assigning the id value there is no need 'duplicate' this information in the comment). It is more problematic to keep track of the end of the div, and so a comment is useful. Placing the end comment inside the /div avoids the issue with floats and comments. Admittedly, it took me a while to get used to the new coding convention, but the judicious use of white space helps. [1] Bug caused by floats and comments: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html We've worked out that the issue was caused by the comments in the HTML file. Has anyone had this sort of issue before? If there a solution other then removing the comments? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help needed with IE drama...
On the topic of commenting styles, I use the following: !-- [header + logo -- div id=header ... /div !-- header] -- So the id of the element is right next to a opening or closing square bracket indicating if it's a start or end of the block. Works well for us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Kirkwood|Motive Sent: Friday, 4 November 2005 3:53 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Help needed with IE drama... Hi Darren, I haven't reviewed the bug, however if its anything like the issue we've come across with comments [1] then you could try an alternative method of commenting the code. (This goes somewhat to the concept of semantic markup also.) Rather than: !-- begin footer -- div id=footer ... /div !-- end footer -- try: div id=footer ... !-- end footer --/div Rationale: The id attribute identifies the nature of the div (as a result of taking a semantic approach to assigning the id value there is no need 'duplicate' this information in the comment). It is more problematic to keep track of the end of the div, and so a comment is useful. Placing the end comment inside the /div avoids the issue with floats and comments. Admittedly, it took me a while to get used to the new coding convention, but the judicious use of white space helps. [1] Bug caused by floats and comments: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html We've worked out that the issue was caused by the comments in the HTML file. Has anyone had this sort of issue before? If there a solution other then removing the comments? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] help on making this link validate
You could just try hex encoding the address. There are several utilities available that will convert an email (or any other address) to its hexadecimal value. It's not bulletproof but, then, what is. And it validates. FYI, Smarty (PHP template system) has this built-in. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:15 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] help on making this link validate I need to get this email link to validate, i am using a coldfusion function to do this and I tried encoding it to a url safe line (urlencodedformat) but jacks it, any other ideas?or any good ideas for hiding emails from spammers that can use a dynamic email address..http://65.36.226.10/content/contact.cfmtiadave
Re: [WSG] help on making this link validate
thanks,the way its written im not sure if i can or not, i will try though :)From: "Patrick H. Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:30 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] help on making this link validatecsslist wrote: I need to get this email link to validate, i am using a coldfusion function to do this and I tried encoding it to a url safe line (urlencodedformat) but jacks it, any other ideas? or any good ideas for hiding emails from spammers that can use a dynamic email address.. http://65.36.226.10/content/contact.cfmAeh...I'm not a coldfusion person, but essentially you're missing the double quotes around your href attribute...can you not just stick them in?to-- Patrick H. Lauke__redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively[latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.ukhttp://redux.deviantart.com__Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Forcehttp://webstandards.org/__**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Help with accessible horizontal menu
From: Colin Meerveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] I' am building an accessible horizontal menu. I have some problems with tabbing the menu. I tested the menu in IE 6.0, Firefox 1.05 and opera 8.0. IE and Opera doesn't support it at all and firefox only with javascript. It does navigate to the menu but the menu doesn't expand. It looks like CSS focus works different when you use the tab. In javascript onfocus and onblur works only in firefox. I like to have some feedback tested the menu with other browsers and perhaps some tips and tricks to solve this. In terms of accessibility and usability - being able to tab through all levels is sometimes not desirable. Sometimes it's best to think of these kinds of menus as nifty convenience tools for normal mouse surfers - but in the context of an overall accessible design Other things I also have to solve are: Work in IE without Javascript Sometimes this is good - sometimes it's not necessary. Submenu's (now only work in Firefox and IE but don't expand menu by tabbing) IE comment hack without comment/comment probable solved when IE works without JS You can find the menu here: http://www.sportfotografen.nl/accessibility/projects/semantic/menu.html Although this article relates to our menu system, you might find some valuable points: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/accessibility/pop_integrated/index.htm Hope it helps. Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with accessible horizontal menu
Sorry I read the article partly and look at the main menu. I hadn't read the following part. If your vision is perfect, but you cannot use a mouse, your experience could be similar. Imagine having to use your tab key, and each time you tab into the menu, you must keep tabbing until you tab through all of the root-level and sub-menu links. That could be frustrating, too. So our goal is to hide the sub-menus and make it so that they are only revealed to people who can point at them with a mouse - typically, the vast majority of users. This is a good approach. I had this in my mind but get stuck on the tab focus. Thanks for the fresh look I will edit my menu. Colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22-09-2005 15:53:15 From: Colin Meerveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes I read that article but had the same problem as my menu. What I like is that the menu expand on TAB focus. Thus when I tab to the menu the submenus have to expand the same way you go with the mouse over it. Maybe this is not importent if you can use the mouse or are visual impairment (they can navigate to the menu) but if you are mobile impairment you use the tab and want to see the menu. I guess perhaps you didn't understand the tabbing issue as raised in the article. Tabbing (what you want) through the sub-menus is turned off for accessibility reasons. If you simply want to konw if one can tab through the sub-menus, well - yes - it is possible and it is the default behavior of our particular menu system. We make it default because we cannot predict how accessible our users will be able to make their pages, so it's kind of a failsafe. Here is a default menu: http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm/pagepacks/tommi/tommy_v1.htm Try it with your tab key and with javascript disabled. Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space - FIXED
never mind, my brain finally kicked in - fixed now Cheers *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] du.au To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space dsgroup.org 16/09/2005 01:20 PM Please respond to wsg Hello Any help would be appreciated http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/hit111/ renders fine in Firefox Has a big white block under my utilities at the top in IE6 Please help as I just can't figure this out. Thank you :) Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space - FIXED
Helen you got yours fixed? Could you help me with a similar problem that I'm having. This is my first website using web standards and CSS. Would you mind taking a look at the link below in Safariwhich works fine and in IE...which is the only browser screwing everything up. Anyone else with an idea would be very helpful. Thanks all. Jason C ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space - FIXED Sent: 16 Sep '05 06:24 never mind, my brain finally kicked in - fixed now Cheers *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] du.au To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space dsgroup.org 16/09/2005 01:20 PM Please respond to wsg Hello Any help would be appreciated http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/hit111/ renders fine in Firefox Has a big white block under my utilities at the top in IE6 Please help as I just can't figure this out. Thank you :) Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi, Extremely helpful; I owe you a pint :) C On Aug 20, 2005, at 1:39 AM, Edward Clarke wrote: There are some interesting articles on default stylesheets. http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/07/15/the-most-important-css-rule/ http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2005/07/16/starting-css-based-design http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/15/emreallyem-undoing- htmlcss/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
On 20 Aug 2005, at 8:39 PM, Edward Clarke wrote: Global selectors may offer performance disadvantages There is no evidence to support this... it is a factoid. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi man
Just try to write
height: 100%;
on the BODY on the css file and you're done. At least it work for me.
Christian Robertson wrote:
Hi all,
I am new to the list, and this is my first posting so please be gentle ;-)
I have a task I am trying to accomplish which is not going to plan.
The base code for what I want to achieve can be found at:
http://www.metamorphosis.info/test/index-test.htm
My aim is to place a single blue panel 300px from the left of the
screen, and for it to stretch from the top to the bottom. Within
that, I would like a content container element, beginning 200px from
the top.
The result is achieved by the code below in Firefox, but IE will not
stretch the pale blue background from top to bottom - seems to fit it
to the content. I've tried many options, but without success.
Can anyone please put me on the right track? Apologies if the solution
is simple, but it's often the simple plans which tend to be overlooked.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
*XHTML:*
body
div id=maincol
div id=container
pPara 1 .../p
pPara 2 .../p
/div
/div
/body
/html
*CSS:*
body {
background-color: #909fb2;
margin: 0;}/* body margin set to 38
at top - impacts placement */
#maincol {
position: absolute;
left: 300px;
width: 270px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
#container {
position: relative;
top: 200px;
width: 268px;
border: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
One step further, just add this:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
Remember that HTMLand BODY are valid elements that wrap all of your
content. To varying extents they can be styled like any other element
on your page. In firefox, HTML and BODY inherit their height and
width from the browser window itself, while in IE, the width is
inherited, but not the height (go figure). So setting them both to
100% height gets things consistent across browsers.
On 8/19/05, alejandro poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi man
Just try to write
height: 100%;
on the BODY on the css file and you're done. At least it work for me.
Christian Robertson wrote:
Hi all,
I am new to the list, and this is my first posting so please be gentle ;-)
I have a task I am trying to accomplish which is not going to plan.
The base code for what I want to achieve can be found at:
http://www.metamorphosis.info/test/index-test.htm
My aim is to place a single blue panel 300px from the left of the
screen, and for it to stretch from the top to the bottom. Within
that, I would like a content container element, beginning 200px from
the top.
The result is achieved by the code below in Firefox, but IE will not
stretch the pale blue background from top to bottom - seems to fit it
to the content. I've tried many options, but without success.
Can anyone please put me on the right track? Apologies if the solution
is simple, but it's often the simple plans which tend to be overlooked.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
*XHTML:*
body
div id=maincol
div id=container
pPara 1 .../p
pPara 2 .../p
/div
/div
/body
/html
*CSS:*
body {
background-color: #909fb2;
margin: 0;}/* body margin set to 38
at top - impacts placement */
#maincol {
position: absolute;
left: 300px;
width: 270px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
#container {
position: relative;
top: 200px;
width: 268px;
border: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi,
Should this rule:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
be a default on each page, like
* {
margin:0;
padding: 0;
}
Has become on my core style sheet?
On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Patrick Ryan wrote:
One step further, just add this:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
Remember that HTMLand BODY are valid elements that wrap all of your
content. To varying extents they can be styled like any other element
on your page. In firefox, HTML and BODY inherit their height and
width from the browser window itself, while in IE, the width is
inherited, but not the height (go figure). So setting them both to
100% height gets things consistent across browsers.
On 8/19/05, alejandro poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi man
Just try to write
height: 100%;
on the BODY on the css file and you're done. At least it work for me.
Christian Robertson wrote:
Hi all,
I am new to the list, and this is my first posting so please be
gentle ;-)
I have a task I am trying to accomplish which is not going to plan.
The base code for what I want to achieve can be found at:
http://www.metamorphosis.info/test/index-test.htm
My aim is to place a single blue panel 300px from the left of the
screen, and for it to stretch from the top to the bottom. Within
that, I would like a content container element, beginning 200px from
the top.
The result is achieved by the code below in Firefox, but IE will not
stretch the pale blue background from top to bottom - seems to
fit it
to the content. I've tried many options, but without success.
Can anyone please put me on the right track? Apologies if the
solution
is simple, but it's often the simple plans which tend to be
overlooked.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
*XHTML:*
body
div id=maincol
div id=container
pPara 1 .../p
pPara 2 .../p
/div
/div
/body
/html
*CSS:*
body {
background-color: #909fb2;
margin: 0;}/* body margin set
to 38
at top - impacts placement */
#maincol {
position: absolute;
left: 300px;
width: 270px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
#container {
position: relative;
top: 200px;
width: 268px;
border: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi Partic /
Alejandro,
Works perfectly. Many thanks!
Chris
Patrick Ryan wrote:
One step further, just add this:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
Remember that HTMLand BODY are valid elements that wrap all of your
content. To varying extents they can be styled like any other element
on your page. In firefox, HTML and BODY inherit their height and
width from the browser window itself, while in IE, the width is
inherited, but not the height (go figure). So setting them both to
100% height gets things consistent across browsers.
On 8/19/05, alejandro poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi man
Just try to write
height: 100%;
on the BODY on the css file and you're done. At least it work for me.
Christian Robertson wrote:
Hi all,
I am new to the list, and this is my first posting so please be gentle ;-)
I have a task I am trying to accomplish which is not going to plan.
The base code for what I want to achieve can be found at:
http://www.metamorphosis.info/test/index-test.htm
My aim is to place a single blue panel 300px from the left of the
screen, and for it to stretch from the top to the bottom. Within
that, I would like a content container element, beginning 200px from
the top.
The result is achieved by the code below in Firefox, but IE will not
stretch the pale blue background from top to bottom - seems to fit it
to the content. I've tried many options, but without success.
Can anyone please put me on the right track? Apologies if the solution
is simple, but it's often the simple plans which tend to be overlooked.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
*XHTML:*
body
div id="maincol"
div id="container"
pPara 1 .../p
pPara 2 .../p
/div
/div
/body
/html
*CSS:*
body {
background-color: #909fb2;
margin: 0;}/* body margin set to 38
at top - impacts placement */
#maincol {
position: absolute;
left: 300px;
width: 270px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
#container {
position: relative;
top: 200px;
width: 268px;
border: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:14:46 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote:
Should this rule:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
be a default on each page, like
* {
margin:0;
padding: 0;
}
What a great Friday afternoon question!
I haven't yet had to use that on my pages and I, too, am interested in
people's opinion.
(In other words 'bump' ;))
warmly.
Lea
~ despite it being saturday morning here... :)
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi,
I meant on a core style-sheet, and what does bump mean?
C
On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Lea de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:14:46 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote:
Should this rule:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
be a default on each page, like
* {
margin:0;
padding: 0;
}
What a great Friday afternoon question!
I haven't yet had to use that on my pages and I, too, am interested in
people's opinion.
(In other words 'bump' ;))
warmly.
Lea
~ despite it being saturday morning here... :)
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RE: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Chris Kennon wrote:
Should this rule:
html, body{ height:100%; }
be a default on each page, like
* { margin:0; padding: 0; }
Lea de Groot wrote:
What a great Friday afternoon question!
I haven't yet had to use that on my pages and I, too, am
interested in people's opinion. (In other words 'bump' ;))
I haven't had need (so far) to use the 100% height rule, but would surmise
that if it is applied in the same manner as the margin/padding reset rule,
i.e. to clear the slate and create a level playing field, then it _should_
be part of the default declaration.
Regards
Scott Swabey
Lafinboy Productions
www.lafinboy.com
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RE: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
From: Chris Kennon I meant on a core style-sheet, and what does bump mean? Lea de Groot wrote: (In other words 'bump' ;)) Bumping the topic back to the top, used more in web forums that email lists. -- Peter Williams winmail.dat
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
Don't forget to change the spelling of Cross cutltural awareness Craig Rippon Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2005 10:50 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Help with navigation Hi The subnav in my site: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html should look like this: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. but I cannot get it to work.. :( - and I can't figure out why.. :( Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subnav in my site: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html should look like this: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. but I cannot get it to work. Helen, It is working nicely for me in IE6/Win and FF1.06/Win. What problems are you seeing? -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** Peter Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org .au cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [WSG] Help with navigation [EMAIL PROTECTED] dsgroup.org 17/08/2005 10:33 AM Please respond to wsg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subnav in my site: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html should look like this: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. but I cannot get it to work. Helen, It is working nicely for me in IE6/Win and FF1.06/Win. What problems are you seeing? -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. Ahhh, Now I see what you mean. You're missing the class=currenttopic from the item you want highlighted as the current position. Your example page has: lia href=introduction.html class=currenttopicIntroduction/a/li Your real page has: lia href=introduction.htmlIntroduction/a/li -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with navigation
On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. remove :link or adding :link:visited from the following declaration: #navCircle a.currenttopic:link becuause when it is the current page it becomes a visited page. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with navigation
Thany you very much.. works now :) *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with navigation dsgroup.org 17/08/2005 11:06 AM Please respond to wsg On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. remove :link or adding :link:visited from the following declaration: #navCircle a.currenttopic:link becuause when it is the current page it becomes a visited page. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with navigation
On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:36 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: remove :link or adding :link:visited from the following declaration: oops, I mean replace it with :visited T. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help with colour switcher
It's on-topic as a js question. No guarantees but I think you need to link to both stylesheets in the document head and give them the titles you use in your javascript. And finally turn off the alternate stylesheet. so the code should look something like: link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=../css/ifsmain.css title=ifsmain / link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=../css/ifsmain.css title=ifsmain-reverse disabled=disabled / kind regards Terrence Wood. On 27 Jul 2005, at 5:28 AM, Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: Sorry for the blank message. Used the wrong keys. I think this might be off topic, so please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying to get a simple colour switcher happening and having no luck. Can someone please help me get mine fixed or help with another simple one? Thank you. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web - THREAD CLOSED
Forgive me Russ, while I was writing this email, your THREAD CLOSED came in but I have an urge to finish my message. Thank you Lea, Peter and others for not supporting the idea of turning this wonderful group to a elitism group. Here is my tiny timid newbie voice: 2 years ago I didn't know what web design was about and didn't dream on one day I can make some money from web design; some 18 months ago I started to learn css, 7 months ago I didn't know what is web standards and accessibility before I started reading Zeldman' designing with web standards and Cederholm' Web Standards Solutions, but now I am offering web design service and confident to tell my potential clients that I built web sites according to web standard and take accessibility as my top priority. I have many to thanks, first a member from a list who told me I should validate my html. I think I joined WSG group some 4 or 5 months ago when googling to try to learn more about web standards. When thing isn't get too crazy, I allow myself to brows through WSG' archives and in 4 months I have learned so much, simply by reading the archives. My newbie questions not always get response here but it doesn't stop me from coming back or ask another question, for I know that many people here are really HERE to help others and do not think I am too newbie or sound too stupid to them. In Malay language, a 'guru' is a teacher, this was how I learned from the first day I attended to elementary school. A guru is someone who teaches the ignorance to become a knowledgeable person; a guru is someone who shares the knowledge, know-how and help students to overcome the ignorance. I sense the danger when someone thinks he/she is a 'guru' and starting to crown himself/herself and try to make something to his/her own guruism club - this is especially dangerous when web standards itself still net yet a 'standards', and extremely dangerous when not half the population who create websites know what web standards is about and won't give a damn. tee From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:06:18 +1000 To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] help or web - THREAD CLOSED Maybe enough said on this THREAD CLOSED There has been a lot of good input here, so thanks for bringing it up and for the following discussion... I think we can wrap it up now. A few points to recap: 1. At this stage we will not be going to two or more lists. 2. Please use a subject line that will be informative to list members. The usual mail list guidelines apply: 1. be courteous 2. trim replies (this is a common problem on our list) 3. stay on topic whenever possible If unsure, check the guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm or email info@webboy.net Thanks all Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web - THREAD CLOSED
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:14:13 -0700, tee wrote: Forgive me Russ, while I was writing this email, your THREAD CLOSED came in but I have an urge to finish my message. Hello Tee, Thank you for your heart-felt message to the group. I'm so glad you squeezed it in. It reflects my sentiments, too. Cordially, David -- David Hucklesby, on 7/12/2005 http://www.hucklesby.com/ -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Mike Whitehurst wrote: is this mailing list for anything other than helping novice designers with their hacks? [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a pretty much catch-all for web/html/php/sql/asp/apache.javascript/flash help. sign up. http://www.evolt.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:30:24 +0100, Mike Whitehurst wrote: is this mailing list for anything other than helping novice designers with their hacks? This is definitely a mailing list for discussing all aspects of web standards. Any technical list is going to have a large proportion of 'newbie' questions - its just the nature of the beast. If you have a more advanced topic to discuss, please do raise it! I'm sure you will find the 'senior' members coming out of the woodwork to discuss it if it intrigues them :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
I don't know, Lea... Perhaps there should be two lists - one for discussing standards/accessibility/best practice and one for how do I fix my float/site check please. Personally, the latter tends to just fill up my Inbox, whereas I find the former really interesting and challenging Some gurus out there might be amenable to 'mentoring' newbies on the second list ... If one list were the standards/accessibility/best practice, perhaps at the end of a discussion the person how opened the topic puts together a summary, creating a Best Practice Guidelines for the topic discussed. This would be an awesome resource for beginners and advanced programmers alike. Anyway, I can understand Mike's position - sometimes it can be frustrating when you have so many people, all at different levels and with different requirements. The list membership has grown significantly (thanks to the fine efforts of the moderators and members themselves). Perhaps it's time to evolve the list? Just a thought :o) Richard - Original Message - From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] help or web standards group? On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:30:24 +0100, Mike Whitehurst wrote: is this mailing list for anything other than helping novice designers with their hacks? This is definitely a mailing list for discussing all aspects of web standards. Any technical list is going to have a large proportion of 'newbie' questions - its just the nature of the beast. If you have a more advanced topic to discuss, please do raise it! I'm sure you will find the 'senior' members coming out of the woodwork to discuss it if it intrigues them :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:26:22 +1000, Richard Czeiger wrote: Perhaps there should be two lists - one for discussing standards/accessibility/best practice and one for how do I fix my float/site check please. I like the concept, but my experience of multiple lists for the one group is that posts are constantly made on the 'wrong' list, driving everyone mad, or some of the lists simply aren't used - look at this group. Demand drove the creation of the CMS list, but its traffic is minimal. Having multiple lists also starts lots of flame threads on 'to which list topic X belongs'. Given the number of tech lists with large membership and large traffic, I don't think anyone has solved the problem :( I think the flip side is that a) newbies need to see the 'advanced' stuff to learn by osmosis and b) its really good for gurus to see the newbie questions (and maybe occasionally answer them? Hint, hint people ;)) to keep them grounded. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Lea de Groot wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:26:22 +1000, Richard Czeiger wrote: Perhaps there should be two lists - one for discussing standards/accessibility/best practice and one for how do I fix my float/site check please. Having multiple lists also starts lots of flame threads on 'to which list topic X belongs'. Given the number of tech lists with large membership and large traffic, I don't think anyone has solved the problem :( I think the flip side is that a) newbies need to see the 'advanced' stuff to learn by osmosis and b) its really good for gurus to see the newbie questions (and maybe occasionally answer them? Hint, hint people ;)) to keep them grounded. warmly, Lea It's a huge Help when the Subject line clearly defines the topic, that way you can quickly identify threads where you may want to participate. It also helps when browsing archives. Russ has covered this in the intro, and most lists do, but people still persist with Help Needed and equivalent vague and general subject titles. If the subjects are titled in clear descriptive language, then a lot of these list problem are solved, and you may more readily attract people on the list who can contribute to that thread. Regards Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] help or web standards group?
I totally concur with Lea (which happens with amazing regularity). We have discussed this matter in the past (along with creating online fora to move some of the newbie stuff off the list) but the general consensus was that this was and still is the best way to do it to cover all levels. If you'd like to use a forum environment, take a look at the stuff over at Port80 in Perth. http://www.port80.asn.au/forums/ Let's not complain about the lower-end traffic if we're not injecting the higher-end topics ourselves. So, let's talk about XML/XSLT, SVG, what's happening with AJAX etc. (see http://www.w3.org/2005/07/05-tagmem-minutes.html#item03 for a thought starter, at least to see some of the W3 process on emergence). P I like the concept, but my experience of multiple lists for the one group is that posts are constantly made on the 'wrong' list, driving everyone mad, or some of the lists simply aren't used - look at this group. Demand drove the creation of the CMS list, but its traffic is minimal. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
It's a huge Help when the Subject line clearly defines the topic, that way you can quickly identify threads where you may want to participate. It also helps when browsing archives. Russ has covered this in the intro, and most lists do, but people still persist with Help Needed and equivalent vague and general subject titles. If the subjects are titled in clear descriptive language, then a lot of these list problem are solved, and you may more readily attract people on the list who can contribute to that thread. Regards Geoff If I can chip in too - I don't have a problem with newbie posts, nor more advanced posts. But I don't even open Help Needed type subject lines. A descriptive subject line is all that's needed; you can quickly decide if you want to read or get involved in the thread. My 2c, anyway... :D -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Jason Foss wrote: If I can chip in too - I don't have a problem with newbie posts, nor more advanced posts. But I don't even open Help Needed type subject lines. A descriptive subject line is all that's needed; you can quickly decide if you want to read or get involved in the thread. My 2c, anyway... :D Exactly Regards Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
On 7/11/05 4:51 PM Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I think the flip side is that a) newbies need to see the 'advanced' stuff to learn by osmosis and b) its really good for gurus to see the newbie questions (and maybe occasionally answer them? Hint, hint people ;)) to keep them grounded. I concur. Whenever I've seen a 'newbie' list split, most if not all of the subscribers are newbies - doesn't exactly advance their science. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
But I don't even open Help Needed type subject lines. And I never read HTML/RTF email either. Text is too small. Rick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 12:02 +1000, Jason Foss wrote: But I don't even open Help Needed type subject lines. A descriptive subject line is all that's needed; you can quickly decide if you want to read or get involved in the thread. There's a minor problem with this, though I agree with your core argument. Newbie posts requesting site reviews can't very easily bear a descriptive subject line when all they want is advice on semantics/markup and best practises. There isn't a core problem they want addressed, nor a core problem we as a group should seek to address. There is, however, scope for refinement here. If someone requests a site review and an aspect of this website is found wanting, the way in which this is discussed should not need to be confined within the original thread. For example, if the subject line was Please review - example.com in the initial request, and example.com used definition lists (just because everyone loves to argue about the application of those!), then it may be appropriate, when (inevitably) the scope of the discussion broadens to bear a highly tangential relation to the originally referenced website, to alter the subject line - RE: The undefined definition list (WAS: Please review - example.com). I'm aware this happens, though perhaps not as often as it should. I think we need to accept that some subject lines are never going to be descriptive in the way some members desire - and this isn't anyone's fault, but it is something we can work to correct as the thread of discussion progresses. Kind Regards, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com.au/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 Multimedia Development Agency E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the sender’s consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Joshua Street wrote: There's a minor problem with this, though I agree with your core argument. Newbie posts requesting site reviews can't very easily bear a descriptive subject line when all they want is advice on semantics/markup and best practises. There isn't a core problem they want addressed, nor a core problem we as a group should seek to address. I think Subject :Site Review Request/Help indicates what that post is all about, and I think the help people get on this list from those posts is really helpful, even for those of us just reading them.. There is, however, scope for refinement here. If someone requests a site review and an aspect of this website is found wanting, the way in which this is discussed should not need to be confined within the original thread. I agree. For example, if the subject line was Please review - example.com in the initial request, and example.com used definition lists (just because everyone loves to argue about the application of those!), then it may be appropriate, when (inevitably) the scope of the discussion broadens to bear a highly tangential relation to the originally referenced website, to alter the subject line - RE: The undefined definition list (WAS: Please review - example.com). I'm aware this happens, though perhaps not as often as it should. I agree with this, but some lists don't. The trouble is when the thread is hijacked rather than a new sub thread is started to address the need to seperate discussion on a number of topics within the thread. I think we need to accept that some subject lines are never going to be descriptive in the way some members desire - and this isn't anyone's fault, but it is something we can work to correct as the thread of discussion progresses. Kind Regards, Joshua Street Agree, if there is this level of thoughtfulness applied, I can't see any/too many problems as long as there is a reasonable effort to make the subject line descriptive. Maybe enough said on this, at least from my part. Regards Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web - THREAD CLOSED
Maybe enough said on this THREAD CLOSED There has been a lot of good input here, so thanks for bringing it up and for the following discussion... I think we can wrap it up now. A few points to recap: 1. At this stage we will not be going to two or more lists. 2. Please use a subject line that will be informative to list members. The usual mail list guidelines apply: 1. be courteous 2. trim replies (this is a common problem on our list) 3. stay on topic whenever possible If unsure, check the guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm or email info@webboy.net Thanks all Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Please don't forget, while forking, to build a third mediocres/average list, for those who squint at being a guru and tend to forget the years they were soo newbie. or, alternatively: Raise the level of the input in this list by more quality postings and answers. The quality of the answers to a list is triggering the quality of the next questions, it's a cicle, so easy. Stop guruism. Ingo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help Me Switch From Tables to CSS Divs
Hi, deconstruct and redo: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/ csslayout/2-col/ G/L C On May 31, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote: I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left the emails on the topic in my inbox but then i deleted them. I need to know how to switch from tables to divs. I have a 2 column table and want to switch it into css using divs. I know it has to do with the float tag in css but i tired and didn't get it to work. Please help. Thanks -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] help, please!!
-Original Message- From: Rachel Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 7:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] help, please!! Hello all, I've been developing a site based on the Ruthsarian layouts and it's working ok except in IE 6.0, where there's a problem which is leaving me baffled, so I'm hoping that someone will be able to help. Rachel, I couldn't recreate your problem (checked in IE6), but it sounds to me as if you've got a Peekaboo bug. Here is an article that might help you: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help, please!!
Rachel Campbell wrote: I've been developing a site based on the Ruthsarian layouts and it's working ok except in IE 6.0, where there's a problem which is leaving me baffled, so I'm hoping that someone will be able to help. ... There isn't a problem if you set IE's options to refresh on every visit to the page, but that's not going to help most people! Hi Rachel, I cannot for the life of me replicate the problem - I've tried IE6 on two different PCs, one running WinXP and one Win98. The IE options on both are set to 'check automatically' but I've tried the other settings too without any luck! Perhaps you could try a version of IE6 on another PC - if the pages work on there, you may have at least narrowed the problem down to your machine! Good Luck!! Stuart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help, please!!
Rachel Campbell schrieb: The problem is that the header doesn't always display at all on some pages, such as http://www.ely.anglican.org/parishes/camgsm/new_site/activities/music/index.html. There isn't a problem if you set IE's options to refresh on every visit to the page, but that's not going to help most people! (Another point: check majestas_cr.gif for inner transparent pixel.) I wasn't able to replicate the problem first, but when I go to http://www.ely.anglican.org/parishes/camgsm/new_site/activities/music/index.html and click on Church diary (which links to itself: href=index.html) yes, I see the header disappearing, but when you hover over the location where the horizontal nav should be, it re-appears, so, as Andreas already mentioned before, that looks like a peek-a-boo, Fix: apply the holly Hack to #pageFrame That peekaboo demo was created mid-2002. The other day, MS has announced that it will be fixed in 2005's IE7beta. Wow! Expected in 2011, when the last IE6 is buried, we can forget this fix! Ingo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
