Hi Bill,
Can you share with me what have you experienced/witnessed with Only THIS
or Just Sit.
Thanks,
JM
Bill Smart wrote:
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> Al,
>
> Everthing you know and feel is based on belief and faith. Even
> science is based on the belief in cause and effect and faith in our
> rational capabilities. T
Hi Al,
Enlightenment is not an illusion. That is a state of
connection/transmission can be observed/sensed. Even just from some of
the disciples of an enlightened teacher, one with absolutely peaceful
and open heart, can experience some of the phenomenon.
Too many people thought that the boo
Al,
Everthing you know and feel is based on belief and faith. Even
science is based on the belief in cause and effect and faith in our
rational capabilities. The belief in enlightenment and the faith
that you can achieve it is what gets you started in zen. It's like
dangling a carrot in fro
correct, it all is an illusion. you cannot believe the words of others,
you must experience it yourself, and it cannot be objectively measured.
those that are trying to attain it, will never achieve it. you have to
let go of all illusion, sense of oneself, to experience enlightening,
and you ha
From: cid830> We can only follow their teachings if we choose to accept
them, regardless of whether or not they actually taught them at all. >
What we are talking about is the proverbial LEAP OF FAITH that is required
for any belief system, and thus zen, like any other religion or philosophy
re
"cid830" <> I think he went commando. given to him in offering from
the poor peasant field workers to whom he promised their enlightenment
in return.
>
You joke, but he was well-known from a rich family. You can bet that
the peasants exagerated everything he did in order to create a legend
Edgar Owen
Sure, but this guy was sitting in a cave for nine years. He was not
begging town-to-town. Somebody had to feed him for nine years,
somebody was paying his way to enlightenment. Somebody else was
busting his own chops and cracking his own nuts so that Buddha-boy
could have a sandwi
Come on guys, there is an ancient tradition of people giving beggars
and mendicants food in India. You are basing these dumb ideas on the
US today where Buddha would quickly have been locked up as a public
nuisance. And I'm sure he would have no problem washing his own
loincloth in the loca
Sorry no, but thanks for suggesting it. It's currently an oral
teaching that I only reveal to female devotees!
:-)
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Fitness63 wrote:
Did you write an article about this too? Let's get all the goodies.
- Original Message -
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen
I think he went commando. I also heard that he drank the blood of
babies given to him in offering from the poor peasant field workers to
whom he promised their enlightenment in return.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "cid830" wrote:And I thought the Bud
"cid830" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:And I thought the Buddha had left his
wealth (and family) behind in search of the cause of and relief from
suffering.>
He left his money behind in a bank. Obviously somebody was paying for
his meals and buying him clean underwear during nine years when the
Bu
I can appreciate your perspective on this. I know when I relate my
knowledge of this subject, I am just relating what I have been
taught and read from others. As well as placing my my own
perspective and flavor to the mix. The Buddha, like Jesus to many,
is a creation of many interpretations o
Good morning ALL,
I don't know whether zen talk about the 5 poisons or CAAAS.
Craving - or expecting in the least bit.
Anger - even just a white eye.
Attachment - not just to sex, alcohol, gambling, etc. but also to
absolute ideas, words, definition, right or wrong.
Arrogance - any notion that I
Thanks. Please do. When I'm told I'm wrong or my posts are challenged
in some way, I do take a second look at them - believe it or not.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "cid830" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" wrote:
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> > Chris,
> >
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Chris,
>
> I'll always show you all the respect you're due...;>)
>
> Also, whether you ridicule or compliment I'm still Bill! What else
> could I be?<
Thanks for giving me the respect I deserve. I, in turn, will con
Wow! And I thought the Buddha had left his wealth (and family)
behind in search of the cause of and relief from suffering. I
thought he tried a multitude of techniques before settling on living
the Middle Way. I thought he told people not to follow him, but to
use his technique of meditation a
Whatever the case, you can be sure that ALL the statues created of
whatever Buddha you choose were sculpted a long time after the
subject individual (if there was one) lived and died. I believe many
of these stories are composites of different individuals with
some 'hype' thrown in. The statu
Edgar,
I guess the picture you are reproducing belongs to the Hinayana tradition
or early Mahayana, it may be a Gandhara statue.
When Buddhism spread out in all directions from the north of India, the
teaching arrived also in nowadays' Pakistan and Afghanistan. Since
Alexander the Great (the Gre
Jeni,
I don't know about achieving enlightenment through sex, but a double
pepperoni pizza with extra cheese does it for me...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jeni Jeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>Sometimes it can feel like a union with God and the Universe and
the other person
Al, of course the story about Buddha is a myth; like the story about
Jesus's virgin birth and his bodily assent into heaven. And, of
course 'Buddha Nature' (or the ability to have a direct experience of
reality free from corruption by your rational mind)existed before the
myth; just as the abi
Chris,
I'll always show you all the respect you're due...;>)
Also, whether you ridicule or compliment I'm still Bill! What else
could I be?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "cid830" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Good Bill. I can always count on you bring back to the path of
True
Did those guys wear helmets? It seems like all those sculpts have the same
helmet. BTW, he looks really skinny, did he have to sit during the sculpture?
Looks like he should have made friends with Bodhidharma's staff.
So who is the fat guy? I thought that was Buddha? Sitting without getting
e
Thanks for clarifying that, I know one of them was a lazy bastard. If I sat in
a cave for nine years nobody would be dropping by with sandwiches after the
first couple of weeks. Its called GET A JOB.
- Original Message -
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri
Hi Al,Aren't you confusing Gautama Buddha with Bodhidharma? Bodhidharma is the one who sat in the cave facing the wall for 9 years, not Gautama. As for Gautama being fat here's a sculpture of him during his ascetic period.EdgarOn Sep 12, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Fitness63 wrote:I think Buddha Nature
Jeni Jeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Is that enlightenment? I have
wondered since the day I had my first intense orgasm. It felt like
communion with God.
>
woman-to-woman will take you there every time!
Karin
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