Joe,
You are totally uninformed. The amount of bandwidth you save by snipping a few
words of text is absolutely inconsequential.
You could I guess look it up but of course you think facts are incompatible
with Zen..
Edgar
On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Joe wrote:
Merle,
Merle is a
joe..you harp and you harp about the teacher...i harp back...the greatest
teacher is yourself! merle
Merle,
Artists, yes.
Maybe one in two is self-taught, despite all teachers's exertions.
But in Zen, it is different. Ours is a Human endeavor. More Human than Art.
You, Merle, only
joe likes to snip... snip and more snipping...it is his trademark..the
snipper...merle
Joe,
You are totally uninformed. The amount of bandwidth you save by snipping a few
words of text is absolutely inconsequential.
You could I guess look it up but of course you think facts are
spare a dime and save a dollar... are you by any chance.. what i refer to as
a tight arse... ? merle
Edgar,
It's the phone guys I hope to spare!
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
You are totally uninformed. The amount of bandwidth you save by snipping a
few words of
Merle,
I do no harping.
I just say that in the Zen Sect, a teacher is necessary.
Granted, it may seem a funny thing.
But when you have a teacher, let me hear from you. We can compare smiles.
And, if you can still find a yourself, then less power to you!
--J.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...
re- phasing ...the word is skinflint..as opposed to tight arse... you can't
take it with you...jesus said the rich man will not make it through the eye
of a needle...merle
spare a dime and save a dollar... are you by any chance.. what i refer to as
a tight arse... ? merle
Edgar,
joe...for the hundredth time..i live 75 ks from sydney..it's not happening...
be kind...merle
Merle,
I do no harping.
I just say that in the Zen Sect, a teacher is necessary.
Granted, it may seem a funny thing.
But when you have a teacher, let me hear from you. We can compare smiles.
Merle,
I don't like it. I miss(ed) the liking of it.
It's just that I know nothing of emailers' prejudices, and weaknesses.
Or, of WHY you should care if a few characters that I do not reply to are
missing.
You have a lot to account for, there, but I will not hold you to account.
There.
joe..it is an observation not a criticism... merle
Merle,
I don't like it. I miss(ed) the liking of it.
It's just that I know nothing of emailers' prejudices, and weaknesses.
Or, of WHY you should care if a few characters that I do not reply to are
missing.
You have a lot to account
Merle,
I won't say.
But Bob and Charles both resigned from this Group, most lately; I think cost
was not immaterial. Weren't they both cell-phone emailers?
Chris, too, should be spared excessive repetition of drivel, etc.
Not to mention other rich guys, here.
Best Rgds,
--Joe
Merle
Merle,
I care not to incur costs for others.
Those costs are not my costs.
I will not harm others, willy-nilly.
You?
-J.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
re- phasing ...the word is skinflint..as opposed to tight arse... you
can't take it with you...jesus said the rich man will not
Merle,
Critical observation. But I do not care. Cousins are cousins.
You know I care to keep cell-phone members in the Black. Not Red.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..it is an observation not a criticism... merle
Current Book
Merle,
If you can follow it, here you go:
Scarlet Begonias.
I've posted it before.
I was in town that night, but not at the concert hall. Sweetie and I were in
Central Park, under the fireworks.
This is a piece of the Dead's Dec. 31, 1978 concert, in my town.
Try:
And, Merle:
Here is my cousin Buckethead, with his fine Beware the Holding Funnel. Who
knows what it means. But, beware!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWX-DXekL3U
-- Joe
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..it is an observation not a criticism...
Joe,
Zen is not a sect. That's an enormous misunderstanding of what Zen is and I'm
sure even Bill would agree..
Zen is realizing the true nature of reality. It has nothing to do with sects,
gurus or their ilks...
Edgar
On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Joe wrote:
Merle,
I do no harping.
Edgar,
Sect of Buddhism. Don't give the Religion no grief, m'man.
Others divorce the baby from the bathwater. That may be OK. I haven't tested
it.
Bill! does OK, evidently. As for me, I won't say. It's immaterial.
Sect is a good word. I use it, lovingly.
I do not misunderstand. Not
Joe,
And Genghis Khan butchered people by the thousands...
-- but it was totally OK because he made thousands more by impregnating
thousands of women...
:-)
Edgar
On Jun 9, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Joe wrote:
Bill!,
Fine enough.
But trees have always been Friends.
My ex- also used to
Edgar,
Okay...this was a good one...I'll give you credit for that... ;)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
And Genghis Khan butchered people by the thousands...
-- but it was totally OK because he made thousands more by impregnating
thousands of
Bill,
There is only one answer or solution to ALL koans. And that is Buddha Nature.
So all one has to do in response to any koan is simply to point to anything at
all and convincingly bring attention to its Buddha Nature.
But as I say repeatedly anything at all can be a koan to get you to that
hippy hippy shake..joe..merle
Mike, Merle,
A shedding of dirty clothes, the Old Man used to say; even down to your
socks.
He talked about awakening as being nakedness. Having nothing. Wu (Chin.).
Mu (Japanese). How true.
But, no embarrassment! This is original Human nakedness.
ok..that's fine..however according to some experts some of us are hard wired
to believe in god..
i maybe one of those..so what choice does one have..and god is god is god..
merle
Merle,
Which god? The Christian one? Zeus? Allah? Krishna? Odin? Even if you pinpoint
which god (The Big
Merle,br/br/A belief in a god could well be beneficial and even
advantageous for evolutionary survival, but that still doesn't make it
true.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle, br/br/I think you might need a certain amount of faith when you
first read this, but only if you haven't experienced it. What you'll find from
a diligent practice of meditation is that awakening is a process of stripping
down (losing attachments, dropping ideas and concepts of 'self'
Merle,
Saying some of us are hard wired to believe in god might be true, but I think
it would be better stated that 'we all as humans are wired insufficiently to
understand everything we perceive' (with the possible exception of Edgar). IMO
what we tend to do is make up explanations for
Bill!,br/br/Great explanation!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo!
Mail for iPad
Joe,
The point of my reply to your post both of which you obsessively snipped is this
Your post went against even the view of koans you are supposed to believe in as
an orthodox zennist.
You and Bill claim that koans have no solution but are to be discarded in a
satori.
But instead your post
Bill,
Get your Gods straight. It was Helios or Apollo, depending on the culture, who
drove the chariot of the sun across the sky, not Mercury...
Jeez, no wonder you can't understand Zen!
:-)
Edgar
On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Bill! wrote:
Merle,
Saying some of us are hard wired to
Merle,
That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind.
You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please.
On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe.
See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris.
And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi.
Chris,
Don't confuse crazy with compassionate! ;-)
I know you don't.
I've gotten swift swats from Sheng Yen on occasion, in Interview (dokusan).
Sometimes to compliment, and sometimes to chastise, but usually to encourage.
You know how it goes. Or I hope so.
Especially with a teacher
Merle,
There is no wiring. Don't believe a word of that hooey/horse-hockey.
If you awaken, you may find that beliefs and illusions have all dropped. Where
are they? They are gone. Like a clear sky.
What there is, instead, is a hearty participation in Life, WITH all of Life.
There's no
Mike, Merle,
A shedding of dirty clothes, the Old Man used to say; even down to your
socks.
He talked about awakening as being nakedness. Having nothing. Wu (Chin.).
Mu (Japanese). How true.
But, no embarrassment! This is original Human nakedness. Our original
inheritance.
And, no one
Edgar,
If YOU take things literally, then that's what YOU do.
Anyone who passes the koan What is the sound of One Hand?, makes a
demonstration. It's easy, at that time. After that work. What are you all
hung up about?
Edgar, note, too: my practice has been not too much on koans; after a
Edgar,
I agree with Joe here.
All the 'breakthrough' koans (the first ones that are specifically designed to
induce kensho (first experience of Buddha Nature)require a demonstration rather
than an explanation. For example my first koan was Joshu's MU and my teacher's
request was to BRING me
Bill!,
Fine enough.
But trees have always been Friends.
My ex- also used to sleep up in trees when she was a child. Remarkable: it
could have gone badly!
Even though I butcher trees to make things for Buddhist temples and teachers, I
have trees as friends, everywhere. North and South.
But
joe..rubbish he went to india... he was 36 was he not when he was crucified?..
you should know all his life story as you were once a catholic..
what the hell do you mean by no mind?..no mind then you would be brain dead...
it's not reinventing the wheel..
it's evolution... who wants to
Merle,
I'll stay out of the discussions about Jesus' itineraries, but I THINK my 'One
Mind' Joe means what I mean when I say 'integration of Buddha Nature and the
Human Intellect, and by 'No Mind' Joe means just Buddha Nature...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
Merle!!br/br/I know very little about Christianity, but even I've heard
that there is very little known about his life from the age of 12 to when he
entered Jerusalem. The Silk Route was a well travelled journey by many at that
time is there is reasonable speculation he 'may' have gone
Bill,
O boy, here we go again
Maybe YOUR intellect shuts down but my intellect IS Buddha Nature
Edgar
On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Bill! wrote:
Suresh, et al...
I agree with Joe here. In fact zen koans are used to exhaust logic and
dialectic. When you try to use logic or
I didn't think you had done Koan training, Edgar?
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jun 8, 2013 4:40 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Bill,
O boy, here we go again
Maybe YOUR intellect shuts down but my intellect IS Buddha Nature
Edgar
On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:17 PM,
Ok, but would you agree that Bill's descrion of classical koan training is
accurate - the koan is used to silence the generation of thoughts and words?
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jun 8, 2013 6:47 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Chris,
I've been dealing with the quantum koan
Chris,
That's the theory, but it's only one of several types of first steps for
beginners to (hopefully) get a little satori experience by temporarily
exhausting their brains trying to figure out something that doesn't have an
easy solution.
The other approach is to actually SOLVE the koan
Chris and Bill,
Example of the solution of a koan.
What's the sound of one hand clapping?
The solution is the recognition that language is capable of expressing
irrational meaningless syntax. Therefore language itself isn't truth unless
what it expresses is consistent with the overall
Merle,
See?, even the basic murmurings of the Zen sect, you are unaware of.
Why does it all come as a surprise to you, after so long a time?
The Zen you've been looking into for decades rings pretty hollow.
There is no mind.
What you call mind is your SENSATION of illusions. When we are
Edgar, Bill!, Chris, Group,
The actual (real) koan reads:
What is the sound of one hand?
The clapping is not original, and is incorrect to insert. Not only
incorrect, but misleading. It's a 1950's bit of b.s. appended by some American
or English illiterate non-practitioner.
The koan has
Joe,
Bah! Humbug!
Edgar
On Jun 8, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar, Bill!, Chris, Group,
The actual (real) koan reads:
What is the sound of one hand?
The clapping is not original, and is incorrect to insert. Not only
incorrect, but misleading. It's a 1950's bit of b.s. appended
I was going to say that in all my conversations with people studying koans
and all my reading of zen, I have never before run into a claim of solving
a koan. However, in fact, there is a book called After Zen about a Dutch
detective who becomes disillusioned with Zen (Rinzai school, as practised
Edgar,
Well, that's IT (that DOES it).
You are OFF my Christmas Card list! ;-)
Humbug right back,
Your'n truly,
-- Hose-B
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Bah! Humbug!
Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have
Chris,
Anger is bound to get a student a swift swat with an agile stick.
That's why I make my sticks as I do: agile; swift; flexible; noisy; durable.
Of quarter-sawn timber. Sometimes plain-sawn. I make them to last several
lifetimes, but a teacher usually only exercises them for a single
joe...why are you picking on me...how do you know i was not testing you?..i
can see you get worked up into a sweat..when really your answer would have been
more simple..you tell me i now know nothing about zen..so...how do you really
know what i have ben looking for?...do you know for sure
Merle,
Don't bother continuing this.
Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything
depends on that.
--Joe
PS I pick on you because you are my Cousin, Cousin. Because you did not know
that No-Mind is the hallmark of realized Zennists. That is inexcusable, ...to
I've never heard you describe your lineage as crazy, Joe.
My practise at the moment - reading a Percy Jackson book to a very tired
8.5 year old who is fighting the bed time ritual with upset and so on. Q
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
Chris,
Anger is bound to get a student a swift swat with an
Merle,br/br/Which god? The Christian one? Zeus? Allah? Krishna? Odin? Even
if you pinpoint which god (The Big Daddy Creator) there is absolutely no
evidence to believe in him or even make him necessary. I see, feel, smell,
taste and hear reality. Take away the I and what more do you
Merle,
You always think people are talking about YOU. Where does that come from?
Now, answer me: do you think companies are wasting shareholders' money by
advertizing?
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..the awakened human has no time for advertising unless it create a good
Merle,
If you are asking about the general you, then here is the procedure:
you consult your teacher, or a teacher.
A teacher knows all the signs, and cannot be fooled. A teacher can also tell
you how to proceed, to deepen and take care of your realization. It is a
long-term process.
A Zen
well joe..as i have stated before there is no i therefore there is no
you!!..there is only ONE
advertising is over the top.. anyone with any nuance would realise this..
does not take blind freddie to open the curtains and see
yes it is all a waste
and ONE does not need the nonsense
i see joe...
is that what YOU were taught?..the wine- cellar scenario?
there are teachers and teachers... and more teachers..
again i ask who is the teacher and who is the student?
did not many a musical genius start his career in the basement to climb to the
top of the dizzy heights?
Merle,
You take me 180 degrees WRONG.
I said that we don't need hospitals and drug interactions to teach us about our
practice, or to teach us, say, metaphysics.
Suresh is looking to out-of-body experiences of the critically-ill for
insight about the mind.
I wrote that this is not
Merle,
Contemplation dispels it.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..well well well..no soul ... is it too frightening to contemplate?..merle
Merle,
That's correct.
But someone who is *NOT* a follower of the Buddha (i.e., NOT a Buddhist) who
believes in a soul may
Merle,
Cause and effect applies to people, all people. No matter if awakened or not.
There is no escape from dependent arising, dependent origination. Several
famous koans treat this, and lots of good Buddhist philosophy. A practitioner
will also see it demonstrated in his/her own life and
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation of all
things.
It's a good place. It is the ground of our Humanity, and of all beings, and
all things. There is nothing dizzying (nor
joe...maybe a mis read ..however there is never an opportunity missed..even in
hospital to reach enlightenment..even if it's on the operating table!..merle
Merle,
You take me 180 degrees WRONG.
I said that we don't need hospitals and drug interactions to teach us about our
practice,
why joe..why dispel soul?..merle
Merle,
Contemplation dispels it.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..well well well..no soul ... is it too frightening to contemplate?..merle
Merle,
That's correct.
But someone who is *NOT* a follower of the Buddha (i.e., NOT a
yes joe..sometimes the ads are fun..mostly they are boring boring and
idiotic..merle
Merle,
Cause and effect applies to people, all people. No matter if awakened or not.
There is no escape from dependent arising, dependent origination. Several
famous koans treat this, and lots of good
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it be
called the pit?... merle
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation of all
things.
It's a good place.
Suresh,
Perhaps ours or yours is a party-line telephone, as in the very old days.
It appears you've posted a conversation from elsewhere, by others, and we've
picked-up by mistake.
BTW, for those interested in THE BOOK OF MIRDAD, the author is Mikhail Naimy.
He was a Lebanese Greek Orthodox
br/Haha, at last! Joe, I want to have your love
child...br/br/Mikebr/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,
The notion, the idea, the feeling of it... all dispelled by effective practice.
No such-a thing, when you are clear about what there is, instead.
We don't *try* to dispel it. But when you're able to look clearly, there's no
there, there.
There is no mind, either.
Is there a heart?
Merle,
If it is the pit, there are no vipers there.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it be
called the pit?... merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you
Merle,br/br/It's not really a question of why?, rather that on
observation there is nothing named a 'soul' that can be found. Where is yours?
br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle, you're not following the conversation. Are you multi-tasking?, or
otherwise challenged? Day-drinking, you say?
Suresh takes the utterances of ex- trauma-patients as metaphysical teaching. I
say in response that it is more secure to take our own practice as the source
of light.
that on observation there is
nothing named a 'soul' that can be found. Where is yours?
Mike
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
Sent: Fri
joe..well thank christ for that!..hey joe..how come christ he was
enlightened..we all agree..he had no teacher...merle
Merle,
If it is the pit, there are no vipers there.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it
yea... gibran... one of my all time favs... merle
Suresh,
Perhaps ours or yours is a party-line telephone, as in the very old days.
It appears you've posted a conversation from elsewhere, by others, and we've
picked-up by mistake.
BTW, for those interested in THE BOOK OF MIRDAD, the
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation
of
Suresh,
Although I'm not actually reading these they to seem to resemble the of
Dialogs of Plato because of their question and answer format.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
D - Disciple M - Ramana Maharishi
D.: What is this path of
Dear Joe,
Of course the discussion was with other forum member. I know the author of The
Book of Mirdad.
I have posted it since it is also related to Buddha. Since that member thought
Buddha also copied from vedas, I have to argue with him.
Like you are so much obsessed with zen and zen only,
perfect...thank you bill...merle
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the
Merle,br/br/Then you must also believe in Scientology's
'thetan':br/br/But Hubbard decided to take the reports of past life events
seriously and postulated the existence of the thetan, a concept similar to the
soul.[54] (Wikipedia).br/br/If you can't see it, feel it or smell it..
what's the
LIKE!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/And yet when key Buddhist teachings are mentioned here you say,
Bullshit! (cause and effect). and Give me a break (no soul). Which is it to
be?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: question time
Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 11:26:19 AM
perfect...thank you bill...merle
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Merle,
We don't know which teachers or how many teachers Jesus had.
Some claim he'd been to India (and back).
We also don't really know what his state of mind was: had he stopped at One
Mind?, or had he gone further, to No Mind (Zen Mind)? We don't know.
Scriptures also are divergent about
Suresh,
Well, obsessed is too strong -- and wrong -- a word.
On a Zen forum, I don't mind speaking about Zen, however. Your habit seems to
speak about all else but Zen.
Other things enter here from time to time, of course, which relate to our topic.
But in general, I enjoy keeping on-topic,
Suresh, et al...
I agree with Joe here. In fact zen koans are used to exhaust logic and
dialectic. When you try to use logic or dialectic to 'solve' a koan you will
continually fail and eventually will just give up out of frustration or boredom
- much the way you can relax your mind by
imagination suresh... merle
Suresh,
I would describe your and the female you mentioned experience of seeing one's
own body separate from the body as an hallucination, and certainly nothing
important vis-a-vis zen - other than it may have created just another
attachment you're going to
settle down...when is it permitted to change the subject line then?..is there
a hard and fast rule?.. merle
Edgar,
I don't see why you think I changed the subject.
The actual subject of this thread was the SOUL. If you notice the thread's
subject you'll discover that's what the S stand
buddha nature bill... you say no god then you say buddha nature..please
clarify..thanks ... merle
Merle,
Good question...
The terms 'zen' and 'atheism' are not the same classes of things.
My current working definition of 'zen' (not Zen Buddhism) is: Zen is a human
practice that assists
you betcha bill..enlightenment as is karma and buddha nature..they are all
mis - used... as is all that human beings think or feel or do
there is the original then it becomes the chinese whisper game..
of course we could run to the dictionary..
however joe blow in the street..does not
Merle,
There is no hard and fast rule - only karma ;)
Seriously...all of us do change the focus of posts from time to time. We pick
out things mentioned and want to talk specifically about them. When we do
change the main subject of a post we should actually change the subject line -
but
Merle,
Another good question.
Here is my working definition of 'Buddha Nature': Buddha Nature is a quality
of all sentient beings. It is pure, unadulterated, holistic awareness of
sensual experience. In other words it's just sight, sound, smell, taste
and/or touch BEFORE you intellectualize
Bill!,br/br/Then the planets are truly aligned ;
)br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Mike,
It must be because of our good karma ;)...or it could just be a random event
that we've interpreted as good karma - like seeing Jesus' face in a
tortilla...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/Then the planets are truly aligned ;
Bill!, br/br/I always believed that there was no such thing as a random
event in the universe. Then Merle started posting..br/br/Mike
br/br/Only joking, Merle! You're still my favourite fruit-bat ;
)br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Edgar,
Unfortunately I couldn't see any picture but I could read the text.
I just can't reconcile the things you say with the quote contained within the
text:
The shining jade pond is a combination metaphor: the still water is the
enlightened mind, revealed when the wind (of ignorance) dies
the greeks and romans had gods...they were not wise nor good...so what
definition of god do you hold to, bill?...merle
Merle,
Another good question.
Here is my working definition of 'Buddha Nature': Buddha Nature is a quality
of all sentient beings. It is pure, unadulterated, holistic
Merle,
'God' is a mental concept, an invention of the human intellect. That makes
it(he/she) an illusion in my book.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 the greeks and romans had gods...they were not wise nor good...so what
definition of
bill..i see so you are an atheist?..
then you tell me there is buddha nature..again i ask what does this mean?...
how does jesus christ fit into the scheme of things?...was he perfection of
buddha nature?..
and if so...
he says he was the son of god
then was he deluded?
how come the
suresh...
it has been documented before..people watching there own operations..they do
not get enough anaesthetics...
the tennis shoe story...how do you know it is true?...
humans like to exaggerate and get attention..they'll do anything, say anything
if it means getting attention..
what
bill
are we not god's handiwork?...then god is not separate... god runs in your
veins and is part and parcel of who you are...as you say buddha nature..
how would you speak to christ if he was on this forum...
what would you say: there is no god?..was christ insane when he said he was the
Merle,
Lots of questions! I've embedded my responses below:
 bill..i see so you are an atheist?..
Yes.
 then you tell me there is buddha nature..again i ask what does this mean?...
And I tell you again: Buddha Nature is a quality of all sentient beings. It
is pure, unadulterated,
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