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  *chuckles*   Thanks Audrey:)   I must agree-- This rent-a-kid aunt business is the way to go!  All the perks--none of the pains;)  k --- On Wed, 9/22/10, audreydc1983 wrote: From: audreydc1983 Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 22

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That's a terrific story, Kristy! It made me smile. :) I love to give gifts to children, as I will have none of my own (due to choice). My cousins are having kids left and right, a friend's sister is having a baby boy, and there are many of my friends who already have terrific children (my broth

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e opened his goodies, and immediately put on the  jersey to go to a football game with his parents.   It made my day.. k --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 7

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Ahh, every culture has repellent bits. Just the other morning I caught myself spending so much time ianswering email on my smart phone that I did not wake my daughter up until 7 am, depriving her of a promised early morning read aloud time from Journey to the West from her father. Getting caught u

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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:47 AM, ED wrote: > My POV, which I believe to be the Buddha's perspective, is that > 'conditions' may help or hinder, but compassionate or harmful behaviors have > their origins in intentions and motivations in the human mind. > My take is that conditions and the mind ar

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Chris, My POV, which I believe to be the Buddha's perspective, is that 'conditions' may help or hinder, but compassionate or harmful behaviors have their origins in intentions and motivations in the human mind. The Darwinian perspective asserts that humans and human groups seek to enhance thei

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At the present time, which cultures do you regard as 'repellent' and which not? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > The contents of writing arises quite naturally from culture. I have little doubt I would have had repellent beliefs if brought up in a repellent

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The contents of writing arises quite naturally from culture. I have little doubt I would have had repellent beliefs if brought up in a repellent culture. Did you read the Third Chimpanzee? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:17, "ED" wrote: > > > > Ch

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Comments within. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:53, "ED" wrote: > > No there is no enduring goodness or badness in *any* ethnic, racial, > religious, cultural or national group. > Not even any essential reality to any ethnic racial religious cultur

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Chris, The first line of the Tibetan version of the Dhammapada states: "All things are of the nature of mind."See below. --ED President George Washington "The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements. It will be essential to ruin their crops in

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Chris, any comment or disagreement on the other three points? (See below.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > Well, the interesting thing in Guns, Germs and Steel is that the conditions of power arose from other more picayune conditions to do with the distrib

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Hi Mayka :-) You are most welcome :-) Yes. Also, I do try to speak out about the nonsense, as I did in my last post on this subject. If I can do nothing else, I can at least do this much. I think you are one of the lovely lotuses too. :-) Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez

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stroy the best in us.    Losing or wining, does it matter while we keep enjoying the dancing? Mayka           --- On Mon, 20/9/10, roloro1557 wrote: From: roloro1557 Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 8

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k into the white wash bowl,  it would be noticeable that the white would be altered.    Note: I choose black and white because they're neutral and not for any other different reason   Thanks for writing Mayka --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subjec

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Hi Mayka- On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: "The expression of  "less develop nations" is no more than a very ignorant idea invading countries have over other countries to excuse themselves for the dest

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Well, the interesting thing in Guns, Germs and Steel is that the conditions of power arose from other more picayune conditions to do with the distribution of seed sizes and domesticable animals and the orientation of continents. It really wasn't an innate lust for power either, just a simple rando

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The sentence I was disagreeing with is: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Maria Lopez wrote: > My view about the human race is that the bad people are always the winers > and the ones who promote real civilization based are always the losers. It certainly doesn't offend me that you believe this!

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ane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 19 September, 2010, 18:16   Mayka; I almost never disagree with anything you right, but I think you are being excessively cynical here.  The West has caused so much havoc

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > The West has caused so much havoc over other cultures because of the conditions they found themselves in, not because of some enduring badness in them. No there is no enduring goodness or badness in *any* ethnic, racial, religiou

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> ** > *Mayka* > > --- On *Sat, 18/9/10, audreydc1983 * wrote: > > > From: audreydc1983 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 23:02 > > > > Yep, I agree with you - the situation in

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n, 19 September, 2010 22:28:18 Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > Yep, I agree with you - the situation in Australia is a whole different >(although somewhat similar) can of worms. > But - honestly - coul

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > Yep, I agree with you - the situation in Australia is a whole different (although somewhat similar) can of worms. > But - honestly - couldn't John Howard have just issued a statement to the Aboriginal people acknowledging the "mistake

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c1983 Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 23:02   Yep, I agree with you - the situation in Australia is a whole different (although somewhat similar) can of worms. But - honestly - couldn't John Howard have just

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Yep, I agree with you - the situation in Australia is a whole different (although somewhat similar) can of worms. But - honestly - couldn't John Howard have just issued a statement to the Aboriginal people acknowledging the "mistakes" of the past? If I were Australian, I would BALK at him "apolo

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Thanks Mike for your thoughful post. Mayka     --- On Sat, 18/9/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 12:51   Hi Audry and Artie,   It's quite a different situati

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White, black, brown, olive-complected or yellow, humans to a great extent are reflexive products of their culture, and cannot see the hole they are in, (as seen by persons from other cultures.) For instance, see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/19993

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > ps Audrey, I used to be in the British infantry and have great respect for the US Marines (not as good as the Brit Army, but still damn good!) : ) ED posts: MIT historian examines path of war in new book September 15th, 2010 in Other Sc

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Howver, his psyche did balance itself out by brown-nosing the Israelis and the Australian Jewish lobby. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > Hi Audry and Artie, It's quite a different situation in Australia regarding Aboriginal people. When the conservative leader

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ogroups.com Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 18:40:26 Subject: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions   Hello Audry :-) I very much agree with your post. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > When I see a white person attempt to connect (to the land, or deity) in a >Nat

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Hello Audry :-) I very much agree with your post. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > When I see a white person attempt to connect (to the land, or deity) in a > Native American path (or one that just mimics a native american path), I > usually wonder about what "hole"

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When I see a white person attempt to connect (to the land, or deity) in a Native American path (or one that just mimics a native american path), I usually wonder about what "hole" they're trying to fill. Most of them are blissfully unaware that their own ancestors had a similar tradition of anc

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Hi Jody- --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Jody W. Ianuzzi" wrote: > > I just wish the Native Americans could realize that there are a lot of white > people who are not materialistic and that they do appreciate and respect the > native American cultures and that not everyone wants to exploit

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Hello Artie, You wrote: "White people have already stolen their homeland, their language, etc and etc, and decimated their population. It is nothing less than genocide what European whites did to Native Americans. e the situation plenty clearly." Oh I agree completely! I think that all of this

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> > >I don't believe it's all commercialism; I believe that people want to be a >part of some other culture or the art of a particular religion. Having the >artifact brings the thought back to the mind. Curiosity is manufactured by >'purchasing' reminders of another culture. It might be an a

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Jody- If you will look into it, you will see that Native American spiritual tradition has no "evangelical" component, no equivalent to "go forth and spread the word", no "go forth and teach others" etc as the traditions you mention below do. Native Americans have never wanted to "convert" othe

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Jody- I would ask that you remember what Maria so wisely wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > Things hardly ever are as they appear to be under the eyes of the > ones who are not from that culture. What my Native American friends objected to was the commercialization