It's easy to sound clever about Zen based on reading and attempts at practice, and
easy to imitate phrases found in koans and their commentaries and in mass market
"Zen" books. It's much harder actually to deal with the hindrances - sensual desire,
anger, laziness, remorse and skeptical doub
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "jasonzavoda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What Hindrances? There is nothing to abandon.
There is something to abandon. Self-grasping.
"Zen rap" says "what self?"
Whatever self is still clung to.
"Zen rap" says, "Oh ho, but there is no self to cling to!"
Ex
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Frank Gorin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Regarding "Zen Is One."
> Tuesday, June 20,
> jasonzavoda wrote:
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> > I don't see that following the idea of 'one' creates suffering in
anyone,
> > so I'm all for it even if I don't follow it myself.
>
> H
Regarding "Zen Is One."
Tuesday, June 20,
jasonzavoda wrote:
> I don't see that following the idea of 'one' creates suffering in anyone,
> so I'm all for it even if I don't follow it myself.
Hi, Jason. My favorite "one" story is from the Mumonkan, Case 3, Gutei Raises
A Finger. (also in
What Hindrances? There is nothing to abandon. Zen has already snuck,
sneaked, snooked, in. No tickets needed.
hehe.
See, just from reading a couple of Zen books I can do the Zen rap as good as
anyone. I'm outta here, master of you all.
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Hey Frank, (and everyone)
This 'one' business sounds like the idea of total cosmic oneness,
which seems fairly pointless. Not that a bit of pointlessness can't
be enjoyable, I just don't have a high tolerance for it myself.
Zen is simple, but most people appear to have a need to make it
compl
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Thursday, June 22 rbs000 (Ian) wrote:
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> [Ian...]I'd certainly like to hear what anyone thinks after reading
this
> sutta:
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> No clouds.
>
> And Ian, by the way, welcome back!
>
> ...Bill!
>
Thanks Bill!
Hi Bill,After reading my own post, I believe what I meant to say is that:"Zen is in all, but all is not Zen."It is hard to express a "sense or awareness".Anyhow, these are just words. Though nothing I've posted is important, you still manage to respond everytime. I truly have learnt and enjoyed
Well stated, Bill. We shall continue alone these subjects some other day.All is Zen, everything we posted, you, me as well as everyone else are all Zen.These are all menifestation of Zen. Branches of the tree and not its life force.To be more "wordly correct", Zen is all. How is that?Thank you
On Thursday, June 22 rbs000 (Ian) wrote:
[Ian...]I'd certainly like to hear what anyone thinks after reading this
sutta:
No clouds.
And Ian, by the way, welcome back!
...Bill!
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On Wednesday, June 21 donald hwong (JMJM) wrote:
[...introductory portion snipped...]
[JMJM...]Is there a disconnect in the teachings after 2500 years? Is there
one true which is also all? Or is it important?
Importance is a relative term.
For those who wish to paint-by-number these teachings,
From: rbs000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:22:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...
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> I'd certainly like to hear what anyone thinks after reading this sutta:
http://www.accessto insight.org/ tipitaka/ dn/dn.09. 0.t
Well it sure seems to me that some kind of disconnect happened
between what the Buddha taught, and the teaching of an "Inner Self."
I'd certainly like to hear what anyone thinks after reading this
sutta:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.09.0.than.html
"I teach the Dhamma for the a
[Bill] Frank has diarrhea of the mouth! The stench is OVERWHELMING!
Better to keep it closed than to foul-up the entire Forum. ;>)
[Frank...] So, what's happening in Ahngnam?
[Bill] The north has snow. The south has sun.
[Frank] What's happening in Ahngnam?
[Bill] ...Bi
Good morning Bill and Cathy,If we detach from the "perceived general definitions of Zen", couldn't five or six or fifty one be just menifestations and messages of Zen at that moment of witness relative to that moment only, which is impermanant and transient, which may be received only by our con
[Frank...] So, what's happening in Ahngnam?
[Bill] The north has snow. The south has sun.
[Frank] What's happening in Ahngnam?
[Bill] ...Bill!
[Frank] Small town, isn't it?
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On Wednesday, June 21 rbs000 (Ian) wrote:
[Ian...]One, five, fifty one... I also don't see why we need to attach too
much importance to "one." It seems to me that if the mind
makes "one" then there's "one." If the mind makes "two" then
there's "two". And when the mind isn't making "one" or "two
On Wednesday, June 2 Frank wrote:
[Frank...]Donald'statement that "everything happening in this universe is
part of this one" - misleads because it makes "one" an object to
be desired and comprehended. It sets up an I-thou that won't be
resolved till the duality is erased - and ordinary language
On Tuesday, June 20 kahtychen wrote:
[Kahty...]Zen is five ... and six, ... and sometimes even fifty one.
Yesterday
when I was doing dishes, zen was fourteen.
Beautiful! Crisp! To-the-point. No clouds. No fog. No smoke and
mirrors.
Thank you...Bill!
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Thank you Frank for rescue me, as well as clarify the issue. Mis-quote can delay the enlightenment of too many practitioners, it is too heavy a burden for me to bear.Now I realized that I did not translate correctly. The original text in Chinese says: "Zen Is One True Dharma". (禪是一真法界） It defi
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> Okay...Let's see if I can follow this: If everything is one,
> and that is all there is (one), then where do the subsets come
> from? There can be no subsets if there is only the one. A
> subset is a division of a higher classification, so by
> definition if there are subsets (plural) t
One, five, fifty one... I also don't see why we need to attach too
much importance to "one." It seems to me that if the mind
makes "one" then there's "one." If the mind makes "two" then
there's "two". And when the mind isn't making "one" or "two" or
even "zero" ... then what? Doesn't seem p
> one of the five poisons of our mind
> the Six Patriarch
> certain number of ways, statements, encounters, relationships, events, etc.
> 2,500 years of Buddhism
> Zen is One
Zen is five ... and six, ... and sometimes even fifty one. Yesterday
when I was doing dishes, zen was fourteen.
:-)
This
Goog Morning Bill,Let us try with more familiar terms...Focus on the present moment enables us to put down our mind and its derivatives, just observe every moment independent of the previous. Let the moment be the teacher.Like what the Six Patriarch said in his "Tan Jing", "No notion means every
On Monday, June 19 donald hwong (JMJM) wrote:
[JMJM...]...snip...My previous posts are to be read as a cloud, just absorb
it without dive into it to find out its humidity, temperature, formation.
Okay...I'm really going to TRY this time...
[JMJM...]Zen is one. Everything that is happening in th
Good Morning Bill,I am sorry that I have lost you. It is due to my haste. As human, my I excuse my haste by stating that it was Father's Day? I apologize. My previous posts are to be read as a cloud, just absorb it without dive into it to find out its humidity, temperature, formation.Let me try
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