Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Phil Langton
Shane, Thanks for the reply. There will be interest in Bristol (probably). A wiki sounds like a good way to start, let's see what falls out of the ether! As for a name, how about ZEN? Connotations of enlightenment and could stand for 'Zope Education Network' Phil On Fri, 26 May 2000

Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Rik Hoekstra
Phil Langton wrote: Someone has mentioned that Digital Creations has taken on someone who is to implement a zope-based virtual learning environment tool kit. Is this so? Any mailing lists or contacts or test areas? You're probably referring to me. I haven't taken an active role in

Re: [Zope] Re: Zope

2000-05-26 Thread James Cummings
Ok, where can I find the command to launch Zope like the pcgi wrapper does? I'm trying not to have it run on a different port, but I haven't been able to get this to work yet. Thanks, James At 10:35 PM 5/25/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [forwarded to the list for archival] If you're

[Zope] Use of lambda expression in DTML

2000-05-26 Thread Nick Drew
I'm a newbie zopista, and python for that matter... In brief: I get a NameError when invoking "filter(...)" from DTML. I thought this was a built-in python method, so I'm a bit puzzled. In detail: 1) I want to display a dtml-tree of my folder hierarchy, but I want to exclude all Zwiki

Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Timothy Wilson
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Rik Hoekstra wrote: How many are still interested in this? I was among one of the first to be active in the zope-edu list and I am still interested and even working on a product for course maintenance. I even sent Shane an immature snapshot, but had to reimplement the

Re: [Zope] ZScheduler

2000-05-26 Thread Loren Stafford
Yes. The Client.py patch must be applied for any use of ZScheduler, if the server is not listening on the default port. "reschedule" is always called when an event is triggered, so that there is an opportunity to reschedule or disarm the event. If "reschedule" fails (as it will if the server is

Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Ken Manheimer
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: On Fri, 26 May 2000, Rik Hoekstra wrote: How many are still interested in this? I was among one of the first to be active in the zope-edu list and I am still interested and even working on a product for course maintenance. I even sent

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Karl Anderson
Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote: Well, my point is that I don't think you will be able to ignore it. Your boss will give you a product to maintain that includes someone else's perl code - sooner or later. My boss isn't going to suddenly tell

[Zope] SQLSession and Memory leak

2000-05-26 Thread Hung Jung Lu
Hi, This is just for people's information on my own experience in Zope memory leak. It may not reflect your personal case. But if it does, please post a note to the mailing list. When there is a problem, people have to face it. I really dislike the attitude of people who just shrug their

Re: [Zope] Roxen patch

2000-05-26 Thread Bill Anderson
"Magnus Heino (Rivermen)" wrote: Hi. I have lost the patch for Roxen 1.3 to work properly when you enable RXML-parsing for CGI, i.e. Zope. Who has it? Basically, load up roxenhome/server/modules/scripting/cgi.pike FInd the case statement for Content-Header, etc. (IIRC around line

RE: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Charlie Derr
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of |Timothy Wilson |Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:44 PM |To: Rik Hoekstra |Cc: Shane Hathaway; Phil Langton; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [Zope] Higher Education | | |On Fri, 26 May 2000, Rik Hoekstra

Re: [Zope] SQLSession and Memory leak

2000-05-26 Thread Bill Anderson
Hung Jung Lu wrote: Hi, This is just for people's information on my own experience in Zope memory leak. It may not reflect your personal case. But if it does, please post a note to the mailing list. When there is a problem, people have to face it. I really dislike the attitude of

RE: [Zope] Medusa vs. Apache

2000-05-26 Thread Coleman, Bryan
If performance is a concern I would go with Apache. It is much more robust and faster than Medusa. I have load tested them both and Apache leaves Medusa far behind. - Bryan Patrick Coleman Questcon Technologies (336)273-2428 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Petru

Re: [Zope] A new development model for Zope?

2000-05-26 Thread Bill Anderson
Paolo Bizzarri wrote: Hi Zopers, My proposal is that Zope should go through a stable/development version, in a similar way to the linux-kernel. New heavy features should be only for the development Zope, whereas the stable Zope should receive only the bugfixes and the (micro) new

RE: [Zope] HTML EDITORS

2000-05-26 Thread Wright, Geoff
-Original Message- From: Bill Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] HTML EDITORS Luis Cortes wrote: Hello, Has anyone found a really good HTML EDITOR that plays nice with dtml tags? Do

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-26 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:02:42PM +, Michael Bernstein wrote: In you hadn't noticed, ActiveState already has dealings 'with the dark side'. Bring on the paranoia people! Microsoft _invests_ in ActiveState. ActiveState originally started with a Win32 port of Perl, together with support

[Zope] Re: language != newsgroup

2000-05-26 Thread Tom Neff
Bill Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think I can comment on som eof teh 'revulsion' of many of the persons on the list. Some of us have/do hang out on c.l.python and c.l.perl. We have witness _ferst_hand_ this 'community's collective 'gargabe'. TO compare the two communities, you

Re: [Zope] SQLSession and Memory leak

2000-05-26 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:10:04PM -0700, Hung Jung Lu wrote: This is just for people's information on my own experience in Zope memory leak. It may not reflect your personal case. But if it does, please post a note to the mailing list. When there is a problem, people have to face it. I

Re: [Zope] ZScheduler

2000-05-26 Thread Graham Chiu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article 001301bfc731$2af9c480$2101a8c0@pavilion, Loren Stafford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Yes. The Client.py patch must be applied for any use of ZScheduler, if the server is not listening on the default port. The default port in Zope is 8080,

Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-26 Thread Rik Hoekstra
-Original Message- From: Charlie Derr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: vrijdag 26 mei 2000 21:28 Subject: RE: [Zope] Higher Education |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of |Timothy Wilson |Sent:

Re: [Zope] Zope Email (syndication)

2000-05-26 Thread Rik Hoekstra
-Original Message- From: Karl Ulbrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: vrijdag 26 mei 2000 21:49 Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Email (syndication) Well... I think that it's probably the shortest route to a functioning zope archive to use mailman- already

[Zope] Re: M$soft

2000-05-26 Thread Jonothan Farr
Jet is inherently thread-unsafe, and M$ has no plans to fix this (such a fix would cut into their ability to sell SQL Server). This issue has been a long-running problem in the Windows world; the only solution is to serialize *all* access to the DB (even concurrent *reads* can foul each

Re: [Zope] Roxen+Zope = Static+Dynamic pages

2000-05-26 Thread Bill Anderson
Adrian Esteban Madrid wrote: Is anybody using Roxen and Zope to serve both dynamic and static pages? I've seen some hacs and products to serve static pages from zope but I figure there must be a way to serve static directly from roxen instead of doing roxen-zope-roxen. Any ideas? Anybody

Re: [Zope] sequence-*

2000-05-26 Thread Jonothan Farr
Many of these variables cause problems for those starting out with Zope. Why not create alternate names such as sequence_* and degrade the former? Gotta agree with this :-) Here's the patch. I'll submit it to the collector too. Enjoy.

Re: [Zope] Use of lambda expression in DTML

2000-05-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Nick Drew writes: I'm a newbie zopista, and python for that matter... In brief: I get a NameError when invoking "filter(...)" from DTML. I thought this was a built-in python method, so I'm a bit puzzled. For security reasons, Zope are removed all builtin-functions from DTML

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Evan Gibson writes: What happens when we have 4 or 5 different types of methods (perl, php, python, c, pascal, whatever...) and through multiple people working on a site or a product you suddenly have them all used and have to suddenly upkeep something you have no idea about because

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-26 Thread Graham Chiu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In the future, I'd be happy (and expect) to see other languages supported, XQL, TCL, PHP, lisp, Fortran, . :) What I would like to see first is support for Rebol ( www.rebol.com

[Zope] Zope.org down

2000-05-27 Thread Graham Chiu
Hmm. zope.org has been down most of the afternoon. Not that Friday afternoon change over to Zeo that they were talking about doing ? -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiuatcompkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Interbase and Zope

[Zope] how to add a DTML Page to a specific folder

2000-05-27 Thread IDEA WS
Here is a script that adds a new DTML page with a name from the form input field and generates a new folder with 'NewFolder' id and title. Could anybody suggest me how to add a new DTML Documentt this way (with a form) but to a specific, already existing folder. Or how to create a folder and a

[Zope] ZClass - iterating over a propertysheet

2000-05-27 Thread Graham Chiu
How does one list the names/values of a property sheet from a Zclass's method? -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiuatcompkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Interbase and Zope ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope] Higher Education

2000-05-27 Thread Shane Hathaway
Phil Langton wrote: As for a name, how about ZEN? Connotations of enlightenment and could stand for 'Zope Education Network' That would be a name clash--Zope Zen is defined as enlightenment in the art of Zope. ;-) I think we should back away from the naming issue and just see what comes out

Re: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-27 Thread Hung Jung Lu
Let me try again, does any of you guys have a "config" subfolder inside your /usr/lib/python1.5/ folder? I guess the "config" subfolder maybe an feature from the old python1.5, because in the new python1.5.2 there is no such a folder. Also, in an error like: make[1]: *** No rule to make

Re: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-27 Thread Daryl Tester
Hung Jung Lu wrote: Let me try again, does any of you guys have a "config" subfolder inside your /usr/lib/python1.5/ folder? Yes. For the record (RedHat 6.1): [dt@nipnyep dt]$ ls /usr/lib/python1.5/config/ Makefile Setup.local config.c.in makesetup Makefile.pre.in

[Zope] ?

2000-05-28 Thread Patrick J.M. Keane
Anyone else getting 5 copies of the same message, or is it just me? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

Re: [Zope] ?

2000-05-28 Thread Chris McDonough
Yeah, the machine the hosts the mail lists is a little confused right now. I'm working on it... Up until a little while ago, and since Friday evening, mail addressed to the mail list wasn't going anywhere at all. Sorry folks!! This should be fixed in a little bit... "Patrick J.M. Keane"

[Zope] SQL returns as dtml-sqlvar foobar ?

2000-05-28 Thread Richard Smith
Say I have a query like.. SELECT * FROM foo; Can I, in Zope have the results come back so I can use then as dtml-sqlvars in other statements. Like have a link to update a row at the end of a table ? If so can someone give me an example ? Thanks Richard

Re: [Zope] Images and tag tag

2000-05-28 Thread Michael Bernstein
peter wrote: I use the nifty Image object and an extra tag to it. like this dtml-var "myimage_gif.tag(border=0)" But what I want to do is this: IMG ONMOUSEOVER="this.style.cursor = 'HAND'" ONMOUSEUP="document.bgColor='#FFCCFF'" SRC="myimage_gif" width=118 height=77 border=0 I have

[Zope] Help Executing install

2000-05-28 Thread Darin Mosier
I'm trying to get zope installed on my Unix server. I have untared the main file and everything is on the server in a local directory. My problem is I can't execute the file "install" from the server. Can someone please tell me the program or terminal I use to login my Unix server. Thanks

Re: [Zope] Perl Zope

2000-05-28 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Everitt wrote: You're absolutely right on this. Amos' post recently described the various things in various stages of release that should give some hope for the situation. These things really are an improvement. I'm crossing my fingers that this turns into a torrent of material that

Re: [Zope] newbie question: parameter passing for ZSQL Object

2000-05-28 Thread Stephan Richter
With dtml-call insertItem, Zope gives me following error message: If the parameters are from another SQL statement, then the SQL method will not find them, since not the entire namespace is sent. Try: dtml-call "insertItem(param1=pvalue1, param2=pvalue2, param3=pvalue3, param4=pvalue4)"

[Zope] Newbie - problem connecting to MS Access DSN

2000-05-18 Thread richard
Andy, I have this working fine. Are you running NT or \'98? If NT is Zope running as a service? If so, did you create your DSN as a System DSN? Richard part of original message Right, that over, here\'s my plea: I\'m trying to create a connection object to a MS

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-28 Thread Jimmie Houchin
I have kept silent on this issue while watching comments fly by. I'll agree with a comment Paul made about passions being high and that can be a good thing. Disagreements are sometimes inevitable, however we do not have to be disagreeable. It seems that many here who do not share the concerns

[Zope] Deprecation of dtml-var ?

2000-05-28 Thread Kevin Dangoor
I've noticed that just about every new Zope user gets bitten by dtml-var foo == dtml-var name="foo" and dtml-var "foo" == dtml-var expr="foo". Messages reflecting this confusion come to the Zope list frequently. Everyone appreciates the shorthand, and everyone does eventually learn the

Re: [Zope] Perl Zope

2000-05-28 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Paul Everitt wrote: Adam wrote: What makes me most uncomfortable about this is the opportunity cost. Every hour of development time integrating Perl is one less hour As I tried to mention in my "Redux" post a few moments ago, this isn't the case. ActiveState is doing the

RE: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-28 Thread Charlie Derr
My problem fits under this subject so i thought i'd hijack it :-] I have redhat 6.1, and i've installed and gotten postgresql 7.0 working okay (at least i can create tables at a psql prompt and insert data). I have zope 2.1.6 and after untarring the ZPyGreSQLDA, the README.txt file says to do

[Zope] O'Reilly Book on Zope

2000-05-28 Thread Andyman
Hey, a few month ago I read on this list that there will be an O'Reilly Book on Zope. I am waiting for that book! How far is it? Andyman ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML

[Zope] Hot backups

2000-05-28 Thread Patrick J.M. Keane
Is there any facility in Zope for doing a hot backup, without shuting down zope, taking a backup copy of var -- can this result in inconsistencies in the internal DB, or does it use something mystical to prevent corruption? If not, what other options exist for this? Thanks Patrick

Re: [Zope] Hadar's Thoughts on Perl for Zope (LONG)

2000-05-28 Thread Jimmie Houchin
I would like to thank Paul, Jim and Hadar for expressing their opinions, desires and goals for Zope in a level headed and rational manner which did not necessitate the putting down of others opinions. This kind of leadership at DC for Zope is one of the greatest encouragements I have for using

Re: [Zope] Zope Email (syndication)

2000-05-28 Thread Chris Withers
mindlace wrote: I don't quite see why MailHost isn't "low level integration" Does MailHost do recieves as well as sends? My dream would be for Zope to pipe an email address to a specific object/method without the need for any external mail servers or scripts... Making Zope an MTA

Re: [Zope] PROPOSAL: Online chat with Jim and Paul

2000-05-28 Thread Steve Alexander
Paul Everitt wrote: I propose an IRC chat on Wednesday with Jim Fulton and me. Try and pick a time that's not *too* late at night for us Europeans. -- Steve Alexander Software Engineer Cat-Box limited ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope] Hot backups

2000-05-28 Thread Chris McDonough
Patrick, as the Data.fs file is always appended to (as opposed to being overwritten in places), I think you should be OK backing it up on the fly. "Patrick J.M. Keane" wrote: Is there any facility in Zope for doing a hot backup, without shuting down zope, taking a backup copy of var -- can

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-28 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Are Python Products considered implementation level? Or another question. What are the current reasons that Perl Products are a no no? Where are the lines for having other languages being first class citizens of Zope without them being "implementation languages"? I think this also goes back to

[Zope] Duplicate messages

2000-05-29 Thread Chris McDonough
Sorry about the continued dupes folks, I'm trying to flush the sendmail mqueue on the mail list server, and its processing rules are not as smart as I would have hoped. Hopefully once the flush is done we'll be back to normal... ___ Zope maillist -

Re: [Zope] M$soft

2000-05-29 Thread Henny van der Linde
Hi, Henny, thanks for your answer. In fact, my problem is another thing. I have Zope works fine with PostgreSQL, I want to do the oposite direction, I want that the SQL-server send information to the PostgreSQL. After that Zope will have to access de SQL-server to input information. You

[Zope] Another question

2000-05-29 Thread Patrick J.M. Keane
By default, when a new instance of a ZClass is created, it is dropped into the same directory as the calling forms and instance creation methods... Is there an easy way to designate the final location for the instance. Say, as an example that I had administrative methods and documents all under

Re: [Zope] E-Commerce solution using Python and Zope.

2000-05-29 Thread Terry Kerr
Graham Chiu wrote: these problems were fixed...it was only a problem initially caused by an upgrade. Hi, A couple of other things. On your front page, the non-hilighted 'demo' image is broken. If you go to www.adroit.com there are more broken images. You may not be seeing them if

Re: [Zope] PROPOSAL: Online chat with Jim and Paul

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Sun, May 28, 2000 at 07:56:42PM +0100, Steve Alexander wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: I propose an IRC chat on Wednesday with Jim Fulton and me. Try and pick a time that's not *too* late at night for us Europeans. Don't worry, I'll see to that... I live in The Netherlands. -- Martijn

Re: [Zope] Where can I install Zope?

2000-05-29 Thread George Donnelly
it can be run on a virtual host its just that zope is a long running process and therefore uses up a lot of resources. so some hosts dont like it. you can search at zope.org for some official zope hosts that will provide you a vhost account with zope already installed. alternatively if you are

[Zope] test

2000-05-29 Thread Chris McDonough
ignore please ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

[Zope] RE: problems with NTUserFolder.

2000-05-29 Thread Jay, Dylan
I'm a little confused over this. From your previous mail I understood that jcNTUserFolder was to be used only behind IIS. It interpreted the REMOTE_USER var passed in after challenge/response authentication by IIS and made this into a Zope user. Now your talking about jcForceAuth and saying that

[Zope] SV: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-29 Thread Magnus Heino (Rivermen)
Let me try again, does any of you guys have a "config" subfolder inside your /usr/lib/python1.5/ folder? I guess the "config" subfolder maybe an feature from the old python1.5, because in the new python1.5.2 there is no such a folder. Also, in an error like: make[1]: *** No

[Zope] perl for zope: a few last comments and then I'm done

2000-05-29 Thread Roman Milner
OK, I just wanted to say a couple more things about this and then I'll shut up. I've given it a lot of thought - trying come up with a way of looking at it that still makes zope attractive. So, I started thinking - what if it had been a language that I like instead of perl. (lisp, java...)

Re: [Zope] Deprecation of dtml-var ?

2000-05-29 Thread Chris Withers
Kevin Dangoor wrote: Or, how about a dtml-expr tag (which could even start out as a simple synonym for dtml-var) so that people won't be confused about what is python and what is a variable lookup with the special calling properties. This is a great idea :-) New

Re: [Zope] Traceback?

2000-05-29 Thread Chien-Pin Wang
Take off the -D switch in your zope start script. dtml-var error_tb will let you show traceback programmatically. Believe me, you will miss them once you turn it off. Chien-pin On Mon, 29 May 2000, Patrick J.M. Keane wrote: I would like to ultimately remove the python traceback error code

Re: [Zope] zcatalog keyerror 30

2000-05-29 Thread Jonathan Cheyne
AHH!!! So simple, so many weeks of general frustration. Subject to more continous testing, that seems to have done the trick! a HUGE thank you. Jonathan On Sun, 28 May 2000, Chris Withers wrote: Try the patching described in the following message:

Re: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-29 Thread Daryl Tester
Charlie Derr wrote: My problem fits under this subject so i thought i'd hijack it :-] I have redhat 6.1, and i've installed and gotten postgresql 7.0 working okay (at least i can create tables at a psql prompt and insert data). [snip] it failed with an error saying that libpq-fe.h and

[Zope] Expression syntax for sort= attribute in dtml-in .. tag.

2000-05-29 Thread Agnieszka Karpierz
It's very, very... great news that Ross Lazarus's multikey sort patch for dtml-in tag is included in current Zope CVS and will be included in Zope 2.2. dtml in "foo" sort=akey,anotherkey But for me one important think is very missed. Possibillity of use expression syntax for sort= attribute.

[Zope] SQL-Query works with MySQL-monitor but not with ZMySQLDA

2000-05-29 Thread Andy Pahne
Hi, there, if I use my mysq-monitor to execute the following query, everything works fine: SELECT YEAR(START_DATE) FROM EVENT; but it doesn't work via the ZMySQLDA!?! Here's the traceback: Error, exceptions.KeyError: unhandled Traceback (innermost last): File

Re: [Zope] SQL-Query works with MySQL-monitor but not with ZMySQLDA

2000-05-29 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Hi Andy, Andy Pahne wrote: Hi, there, if I use my mysq-monitor to execute the following query, everything works fine: SELECT YEAR(START_DATE) FROM EVENT; but it doesn't work via the ZMySQLDA!?! Here's the traceback: Error, exceptions.KeyError: unhandled Please try:

Re: [Zope] Traceback?

2000-05-29 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote: If you switch debug mode off, tracebacks will be included in error messages as HTML comments, thus rendering them invisible from the unsuspecting site visitor. Is that true even if you override standard_error_message? cheers, Chris

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris McDonough wrote: Isn't this covered in the FAQ? The FAQ wasn't referred to directly in the original announcement; there was a web page with a FAQ but my mail message was already gone before I read the FAQ. Honestly I'm sort of surprised that there is such a strong reaction to this.

RE: [Zope] Traceback?

2000-05-29 Thread Marcus Collins
-Original Message- From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 May 2000 14:01 To: Martijn Pieters Cc: Patrick J.M. Keane; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Traceback? Martijn Pieters wrote: If you switch debug mode off, tracebacks will be included in error

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jimmie Houchin wrote: I would like to echo what Dieter wrote here. We need to encourage people who write products or other extensions to Zope in writing cleanly, clearly defined extensions which can be used in a black box manner. Sure, but we also need to encourage people to study each

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: +[ Chris McDonough ]- | This is pretty silly. I agree, it got silly about 8 hours ago. I don't think I've ever seen paranoia and religious fervour mixed in quite the same way before. Anyone would think that

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Oleg Broytmann wrote: Where do you intend on going? If there was something better out there you'd be humping its leg already. Thanks goodness, I am not using Zope on production servers. I use Zope only to experiments and understand the technology. Looked good until yesterday. This is

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Pieters wrote: [snip] Now, please, can we stop this whole silly argument? Can't we talk about old terminal types or something, instead? That invocation only works on comp.lang.python. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Everitt wrote: [snip] As the person that made the decision, I can at least testify that no ulterior motives were behind it. Still, Zope is a community thing, and we here at DC need our heads bopped on a regular basis, lest we ever forget it. Consider our heads bopped. :^) And this

Re: [Zope] Why Perl for Zope is good

2000-05-29 Thread Vitaly Osipov
Hello all, seems like the passions have calmed down more or less, but i'd like to add my two czech crowns :) Sorry in advance. flame on Actually from the beginning I did not understand why people are arguing on perl vs python - it is not the main issue... You see, DC is a _commercial_ thing. I

Re: [Zope] A similar issue with Perl for Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Michel Pelletier wrote: [snip] This is such a good point I wanted to share it with the Zope community as well. The language issue is minor to the need for a definate object model with clear interfaces. It shouldn't matter if the core of Zope is written in Python or FORTH, from your

Re: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange!

2000-05-29 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Hi, Marcus Collins wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 May 2000 14:01 To: Martijn Pieters Cc: Patrick J.M. Keane; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Traceback? Martijn Pieters wrote: If you switch debug mode off,

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Martijn Faassen wrote: The addition of the Perl stuff will be bad if the Zope source will be hacked up in various places in order to support this. I can be _good_ if this means a focus on providing clean interfaces first, and a more componentized architecture. I.e. there's a focus on

Re: [Zope] Deprecation of dtml-var ?

2000-05-29 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Everitt wrote: Shorthand notations are convenient, but when they get inconsistent, you wind up with the other P language. :^) Woudl that be the one we're welcoming into the fold? ;-) Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange!

2000-05-29 Thread Marcus Collins
-Original Message- From: Tino Wildenhain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 May 2000 15:44 To: Marcus Collins Cc: 'Chris Withers'; Martijn Pieters; Patrick J.M. Keane; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange! Hi, [...] This is very ugly imho. It schould

[Zope] WebObjects

2000-05-29 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Hello Now that Apple has slashed the price of WebObjects from $50,000 to $700, I am very interested to hear any opinions/experiences of WebObjects.. how does it compare with Z*** , Man***, Rox**, ColdF* etc http://www.apple.com/webobjects/ -What are the good ideas? -What is similar? -What

Re: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange!

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:08:59PM +0200, Marcus Collins wrote: This is very ugly imho. It schould be sufficient, if one includes the traceback-variable into the standard-error where its appropriate. In the current implementation it will break the HTML-standard with code outside HTML/HTML

[Zope] Q: Accessing a ZSQL Method from an External Method

2000-05-29 Thread a . wacknitz
Hi all, I want to use ZSQL Methods from within External Methods and have already read the appropriate HowTo but it is somehow vague in some respects and I have some problems with my adaption. I have ZSQL methods in a subfolder /SQL, eg. /SQL/sqlZuordnung My External Method named "extShow"

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-29 Thread Craig Allen
I must apologize in advance, I have not read the entire thread, but here's my answer to your question: So what do you folks think? My advice: be a benevolent despot. I started to get involved with ZDP many months ago, and proposed a structure for documentation, created a folder hierarchy to

Re: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange!

2000-05-29 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote: Do I have to copy this message to the collector and wait for a couple of months or can we do it instantly? ;-) Do you still experience the Collector as black hole? Could you report this to Tres Seaver, the person currently monitoring the COllector and cleaning it

Re: [Zope] Traceback? Codechange!

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:14:19PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Pieters wrote: Do I have to copy this message to the collector and wait for a couple of months or can we do it instantly? ;-) Do you still experience the Collector as black hole? Could you report this to Tres

Re: [Zope] Perl Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Chris Withers wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: You're absolutely right on this. Amos' post recently described the various things in various stages of release that should give some hope for the situation. These things really are an improvement. I'm crossing my fingers that this turns into

Re: [Zope] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Look, a whole bunch of great questions for Wed's IRC chat. :^) I propose 1PM Eastern on Wed for the chat. We'll make a more formal announcement tomorrow. (Right, Ethan?) --Paul Jimmie Houchin wrote: Are Python Products considered implementation level? Or another question. What are the

[Zope] Zope-Edu Wiki

2000-05-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Your attention please! The following persons will report at once to the new Zope-Edu wiki at http://www.zope.org/Wikis/zope-edu . They will then proceed to the Contributors page, click the question mark by their name, and enter biographical information and what projects they are working on

Re: [Zope] Deprecation of dtml-var ?

2000-05-29 Thread Kevin Dangoor
I sent Brian a message on this, and I just added it to the collector with the 1 line patch necessary to add dtml-expr as a synonym for dtml-var: http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/1279/view Kevin - Original Message - From: "Paul Everitt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL

[Zope] Ability to access Perl modules from Zope is good

2000-05-29 Thread Andrew Wilcox
"The Perl for Zope project brings the worlds of the two most important open source programming languages together," stated Gisle Aas, Senior Developer, ActiveState. "Python programmers will be able to directly take advantage of the large collection of reusable Perl program modules, like DBI,

Re: [Zope] Zope.org down

2000-05-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Graham Chiu wrote: Hmm. zope.org has been down most of the afternoon. Not that Friday afternoon change over to Zeo that they were talking about doing ? Nope, a very odd DNS situation. --Paul ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope] Building ZPyGreSQLDA on Linux

2000-05-29 Thread pcm
try ZPoPyDA http://www.mixadlive.com ftp://ftp.mixadlive.com/pub/zope/ZPoPyDA/ZPoPyDA-0.1.0.tar.gz Bye Paolo Comitini Mixad Live s.r.l. Contacted the author of ZPyGreSQLDA but so far no response... Hung Jung ___ Zope maillist -

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Everitt wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: The addition of the Perl stuff will be bad if the Zope source will be hacked up in various places in order to support this. I can be _good_ if this means a focus on providing clean interfaces first, and a more componentized architecture. I.e.

Re: [Zope] A new python object which analyse HTML files and...

2000-05-29 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Mon, 29 May 2000, Frederic QUIN wrote: I would like to create a python object which : * analyse traditional HTML files * indexe "IMG" tags and "A" tags * replace "IMG" tags by appropriated dtml tags * replace "A" tags by appropriated dtml tags * create all the resultant objects Did

Re: [Zope] A new python object which analyse HTML files and...

2000-05-29 Thread Andrew Wilcox
At 06:17 PM 5/29/00 +0100, Frederic QUIN wrote: Hello everybody, I would like to create a python object which : * analyse traditional HTML files * indexe "IMG" tags and "A" tags * replace "IMG" tags by appropriated dtml tags * replace "A" tags by appropriated dtml tags * create all the resultant

Re: [Zope] A new python object which analyse HTML files and...

2000-05-29 Thread Itamar Shtull-Trauring
Oleg Broytmann wrote: I would like to create a python object which : * analyse traditional HTML files * indexe "IMG" tags and "A" tags * replace "IMG" tags by appropriated dtml tags * replace "A" tags by appropriated dtml tags * create all the resultant objects You may start

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