Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Jim Fulton
In this case, the answer is clear to me. :) We should fix the offending Z3 code to match the interface. Similarly, we should fix the uses of get_transaction. Jim Tim Peters wrote: I'm merging ZODB 3.4 into Zope on a branch. As Tres noted earlier in a checkin comment, a test failure results,

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Tim Peters wrote: [snip] get_transaction() is more troublesome than _just_ that, alas: there are about 160 instances of it across the stitched-in lib/python/zope, and Products/Five, code. This causes lots of new deprecation warnings when running the tests. These are easy

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... get_transaction() is more troublesome than _just_ that, alas: there are about 160 instances of it across the stitched-in lib/python/zope, and Products/Five, code. This causes lots of new deprecation warnings when running the tests. These are easy to repair with 1-2 hours

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... Suggestion: I make a new copy of Zope3/tags/ZopeX3-3.0.0-Zope-2.8-pr1/src/zope stitch that into Zope trunk (change the lib/python svn:externals to point to the new copy), do all the get_transaction() edits there, and repair the IDataManager glitch there too. This

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Tim Peters wrote: [snip] get_transaction() is more troublesome than _just_ that, alas: there are about 160 instances of it across the stitched-in lib/python/zope, and Products/Five, code. This causes lots of new deprecation warnings when running the

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tim Peters wrote: [Tim Peters] ... get_transaction() is more troublesome than _just_ that, alas: there are about 160 instances of it across the stitched-in lib/python/zope, and Products/Five, code. This causes lots of new deprecation warnings when running the tests. These are easy to repair

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tim Peters wrote: [Tim Peters] ... Suggestion: I make a new copy of Zope3/tags/ZopeX3-3.0.0-Zope-2.8-pr1/src/zope stitch that into Zope trunk (change the lib/python svn:externals to point to the new copy), do all the get_transaction() edits there, and repair the IDataManager glitch there too.

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Tim Peters
[Martijn Faassen, on deprecation warnings] Thanks; I haven't seen those warnings yet as I don't think ZODB 3.4 quite got merged into Zope 2.8 trunk yet. Not even close yet. I'm doing the 3,4 integration work on Zope/branches/tim-merge-zodb34 and I'm not merging anything into the trunk

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Tim Peters
Zope trunk is using ZODB 3.4 now. It's been switched to use svn:externals to stitch in the 9 ZODB directories. For now they're pointing at ZODB trunk. A release tag will be made later (this is _not_ ready for release yet; now I can start doing the work I wanted to start doing on Monday 0.5

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Sidnei da Silva
| At one point during the Zope/branches/tim-merge-zodb34 merge on my | local box, svn got itself terminally confused, starting to create | directories like lib/lib/python/ZODB (there are two lib/s in that -- | not a typo), and griping endlessly about locks and non-existent files. | No amount of

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Tim Peters
[Sidnei da Silva] Got one problem so far: svn: Failed to add directory 'lib/python/BTrees/tests': object of the same name already exists Everything else seems to have updated with no problems to that point. Ugh -- I'm afraid that's the very first of the 9 ZODB directories it tried to

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-31 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 03:33:11PM -0500, Tim Peters wrote: | Ugh -- I'm afraid that's the very first of the 9 ZODB directories it | tried to update, and svn just isn't smart enough to delete the | existing directories before trying to fetch the new ones. Indeed it was. I think its a Good Thing.

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-30 Thread Tim Peters
I'm merging ZODB 3.4 into Zope on a branch. As Tres noted earlier in a checkin comment, a test failure results, because at the ZODB sprint we fleshed out IDataManager and an older Zope3 class claiming to implement IDataManager no longer does. Since Zope trunk doesn't own either the IDataManager

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Samstag, 19. März 2005 18:15 Uhr +0100 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No debate with doing an alpha, though. There are likely to be more kinks to be worked out indeed. I have update the 2.8 wiki with the planned release schedule. Thanks! Looks good. I'll

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-20 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Samstag, 19. März 2005 18:15 Uhr +0100 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No debate with doing an alpha, though. There are likely to be more kinks to be worked out indeed. I have update the 2.8 wiki with the planned release schedule. I'd prefer a shorter cycle, with an alpha 2 this

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-20 Thread robert
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Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-19 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Freitag, 18. März 2005 12:31 Uhr -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A beta release should be feature-complete means it should contain everything that will be part of the final release. A beta should not development release where things are subject to change in some way. We can do an

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Freitag, 18. März 2005 12:31 Uhr -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A beta release should be feature-complete means it should contain everything that will be part of the final release. A beta should not development release where things are subject to change in

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-19 Thread Jim Fulton
Brian Lloyd wrote: Hi all, There have been a number of threads going on today re: Zope X3.1 feature freeze and the 2.8 effort. I'd like to clarify some decisions re: Zope 2.8 Jim is the product mgr for Zope 3 and I'm it for Zope 2, so hopefully this can be considered authoritative and end part

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] I understand that Jim won't have time to do these until mid-april. Is it absolutely impossible to ship a beta which is 'non optimized' or something? I mean, we got Silva and Plone running on Zope 2.8.. A beta release should be feature-complete means it should contain

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] My point is: we are adding a lot of new code to the Zope 2 core - it does not matter if there is a tight or a loose coupling between Z2 and Z3 - and calling it beta. [snip] My fear is that we are running into the same release problems as with the Plone 2.0 release

[Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Brian Lloyd
Hi all, There have been a number of threads going on today re: Zope X3.1 feature freeze and the 2.8 effort. I'd like to clarify some decisions re: Zope 2.8 Jim is the product mgr for Zope 3 and I'm it for Zope 2, so hopefully this can be considered authoritative and end part of this thread

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Freitag, 18. März 2005 11:22 Uhr -0500 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - In the next few days at most, after a few loose ends are wrapped up, we'll ask Andreas to make a 2.8 beta 1 release. While Jim still has a few things to do, people will be able to start using the

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Martijn Faassen
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:22:26AM -0500, Brian Lloyd wrote: [snip] - Zope 2.8 will include X3.0 (not X3.1) - The Z3 developers will have *no* extra burden or responsibility to support X3.0 beyond what they would normally do in the normal course of maintaining it for

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Lennart Regebro
Brian Lloyd wrote: Hi all, There have been a number of threads going on today re: Zope X3.1 feature freeze and the 2.8 effort. I'd like to clarify some decisions re: Zope 2.8 Very much excellent! This, Jims announcement of the April 2 feature freeze datem and Stephans statement that he was

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Martijn Faassen
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:42:05PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote: --On Freitag, 18. M?rz 2005 11:22 Uhr -0500 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - In the next few days at most, after a few loose ends are wrapped up, we'll ask Andreas to make a 2.8 beta 1 release. While Jim still has

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Freitag, 18. März 2005 18:03 Uhr +0100 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:42:05PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote: --On Freitag, 18. M?rz 2005 11:22 Uhr -0500 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - In the next few days at most, after a few loose ends are

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: ... Do some of these have something to do with a change to Python 2.4, by the way? No. It's a bit unclear to me what version of Python this release is targetting. 2.3 Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540)

Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Freitag, 18. März 2005 18:03 Uhr +0100 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:42:05PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote: --On Freitag, 18. M?rz 2005 11:22 Uhr -0500 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - In the next few days at most, after a few

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Clarification re: Zope X3.1, 2.8

2005-03-18 Thread Tim Peters
[Martijn Faassen] ... Do some of these have something to do with a change to Python 2.4, by the way? [Jim Fulton] No. If you're using the Python 2.4 line, some of the security changes triggered a Python bug that will be fixed in 2.4.1 (which is currently in release candidate 2 status).