Re: [Zope] MailBoxer mime/html mail

[wchr]

wchr wrote:

hi,
is MailBoxer capable of (re)sending mime-encoded html mails (with 
attachments, embedded images) to the recipients/members of a list? or 
does it force the conversion to plain text mail?


ok, for the archives: MailBoxer is capable delivering mime-encoded mails.

(i forgot to switch off the option "convert the message to plan text" in 
thunderbird for my tests ;)


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[Zope] MailBoxer mime/html mail

[wchr]

hi,
is MailBoxer capable of (re)sending mime-encoded html mails (with 
attachments, embedded images) to the recipients/members of a list? or 
does it force the conversion to plain text mail?


thx
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer

[Andreas Jung]

--On 19. Oktober 2006 16:40:58 +0200 Daniel Raible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


is it possible to use Mailboxer to send emails to all registered users -


First, Zope does not provide a user registration where users have an email
property. So what do you have in mind? Using CMF, Plone?

Second, Mailboxer is a mailinglist system and not the right choice.
Anyway...sending out emails to a list of user can easily be done by using 
the Mailhost API..write a form that passes the data to a script and the 
script will all the Mailhost..that's almost trivial.


-aj


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[Zope] MailBoxer

[Daniel Raible]

is it possible to use Mailboxer to send emails to all registered users -
if yes how is this being accomplished?
is it a good/bad idea? are there better solutions?
thanks
-dr

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[Dieter Maurer]

beno wrote at 2006-9-4 16:41 -0400:
> ...
>Frankly, I though (and still suspect) that the fact that the site 
>2012.vi:7080 doesn't resolve because of the Pound/Squid/Zope interface 
>but 202.71.106.119:7080 does combined with the fact that I have to send 
>my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mail being the SMTP) was causing the 
>problem.

What does "not resolve" mean precisely (you need to be *VERY* precise
when you report problems)?

As you use it, one would repect a DNS (Domain Name Service) problem:

It is the task of the DNS to resolve "2012.vi" into its IP address
(apparently 202.71.106.119).

If you are using virtual hosting (I do not know the Pound details,
only that of Apache), then additional requirements (beside
a working DNS) may be necessary. For Apache named virtual hosts,
e.g., not only the external DNS must map the name to the IP address
but the internal DNS as well.

> ...
>Where else should I be looking?

Maybe, you look in your neighbourhood whether you find
a knowledgable person, pay his travel to visit you and
help you in setting up the system.

There are cases, where a mailing list cannot solve all problems
and direct personal interaction becomes necessary...



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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[Chris Withers]

beno wrote:
down. Frankly, I though (and still suspect) that the fact that the site 
2012.vi:7080 doesn't resolve because of the Pound/Squid/Zope interface 


name resolution has fuckall to do with Pound, Squid or Zope.

but 202.71.106.119:7080 does combined with the fact that I have to send 


202.71.106.119 is an ip address, therefore no name resolution is necessary.


with no luck. Where else should I be looking?


If you removed your head from your arse you might see a lot more...

*sigh*

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[Chris Withers]

beno wrote:

Request URL http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace
Exception Type Redirect
Exception Value http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main



Now, that error is definitely from the email I sent. 


Bull. Although I'd be amused to see how you figured that...
Check the above urls, this is a request by you to Zope's ZMI that got 
redirected to the manage_main. In fact, it's you looking at the error 
log itself.


*sigh*


* I don't use Apache,


That's because you're an idiot. I have half a mind just to hack your 
server to prove a point. Nice of you to tell the entire list the IP and 
port where it's running...


and I'd rather not have to if I can get away with 
it. Just one more program to maintain.


Ah, lazy AND stupid. You should become a politician.


* I use Pound on my front end,


Yes, that'd be the "stupid" coming out again.

* As a result, if I want to send requests *directly* to Zope, I need to 
use the IP address. 


...which really should be firewalled off for everything other than 
localhost.


   rejoice: "|smtp2zope.py 
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer 2"


Have you actually thought to check your qmail logs to see what it thinks 
is happening?


Apparently, MailBoxer doesn't like that. Apparently, it wants a web 
address, like rejoice.2012.vi, in my case. But that won't get past Pound 
:( What do? Which file should I hack to get it to accept the IP address?


The fact that MailBoxer wants to do an HTTP post like this to add a 
message is, quite frankly, scary and should make you run far away from 
it for starters.


Of course, you could just use mailman, but hey, far be it for you to 
actually listen to the advice of anyone on the lists you keep pestering.


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[beno]

Dieter Maurer wrote:

beno wrote at 2006-9-4 10:24 -0400:
  
I believe I have traced the mailboxer problem I am having. I have caught 
the following seemingly innocuous error in the ZMI error log:


Time2006/09/04 14:16:02.371 Universal
User Name (User Id) beno (beno)
Request URL http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace
Exception Type  Redirect
Exception Value http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main



Not sure whether I already told *you* (or someone else) that
"Redirect" exceptions are *NORAML* behaviour and no error conditions
*AT ALL*.

Thus, reconfigure your "error_log" to ignore "Redirect" and
forget about any error analysis for them
  
I've done as you suggested. That being the case, however, I'm back to 
square one. Now, all the how-to's I've read on MailBoxer indicate it's 
easy to set up. Therefore, that suggests the problem I'm experiencing is 
probably rooted in something different about my system. The most logical 
difference to me is Pound. But it could be a combination of things, such 
as Pound, Qmail, Squid and FreeBSD. At any rate, I need to track this 
down. Frankly, I though (and still suspect) that the fact that the site 
2012.vi:7080 doesn't resolve because of the Pound/Squid/Zope interface 
but 202.71.106.119:7080 does combined with the fact that I have to send 
my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mail being the SMTP) was causing the 
problem. But what I really need is to catch an error, and so far I 
haven't been able to. I've looked in

Z2.log
events.log
/var/log/squid/cache.log
/var/log/messages
/var/log/qmail/qmail-send/current
qmail-smtp/current
qmail-pop3/current
with no luck. Where else should I be looking?
TIA,
beno
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[Dieter Maurer]

beno wrote at 2006-9-4 10:24 -0400:
>I believe I have traced the mailboxer problem I am having. I have caught 
>the following seemingly innocuous error in the ZMI error log:
>
>Time   2006/09/04 14:16:02.371 Universal
>User Name (User Id)beno (beno)
>Request URLhttp://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace
>Exception Type Redirect
>Exception Valuehttp://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main

Not sure whether I already told *you* (or someone else) that
"Redirect" exceptions are *NORAML* behaviour and no error conditions
*AT ALL*.

Thus, reconfigure your "error_log" to ignore "Redirect" and
forget about any error analysis for them



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[Zope] MailBoxer Problem Found...But Not Solved

[beno]

Hi;
I believe I have traced the mailboxer problem I am having. I have caught 
the following seemingly innocuous error in the ZMI error log:


Time2006/09/04 14:16:02.371 Universal
User Name (User Id) beno (beno)
Request URL http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace
Exception Type  Redirect
Exception Value http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main

Traceback (innermost last):

   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 101, in publish
   * Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 39, in call_object
   * Module App.Management, line 85, in manage_workspace

Redirect: http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main

Display traceback as text59 



51


 REQUEST


 form


 cookies

dtpref_rows '20'
dtpref_cols '95%'
tree-s  'eJzTyCkw5NLIKTDiClZ3hANPW3WuAmOuxEQ9AIO2B9g'
_ZopeId '79820811A2fzfXbQQGY'


 lazy items

SESSION 	>



 other

TraversalRequestNameStack   []
AUTHENTICATED_USER  beno
URL 'http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace'
SERVER_URL  'http://202.71.106.119:7080'
AUTHENTICATION_PATH ''
PUBLISHED 	at /error_log>>

URL1'http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log'
ACTUAL_URL  'http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace'
URL0http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace
URL1http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log
URL2http://202.71.106.119:7080
BASE0   http://202.71.106.119:7080
BASE1   http://202.71.106.119:7080
BASE2   http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log
BASE3   http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_workspace


 environ

HTTP_COOKIE 	'dtpref_cols="95%"; dtpref_rows="20"; 
tree-s="eJzTyCkw5NLIKTDiClZ3hANPW3WuAmOuxEQ9AIO2B9g"; 
_ZopeId="79820811A2fzfXbQQGY"'
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	'Zope/(Zope 2.7.8-final, python 2.3.5, freebsd5) 
ZServer/1.1 Plone/Unknown'

SCRIPT_NAME ''
REQUEST_METHOD  'GET'
PATH_INFO   '/error_log/manage_workspace'
SERVER_PROTOCOL 'HTTP/1.1'
channel.creation_time   1157378993
CONNECTION_TYPE 'keep-alive'
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 'ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7'
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; 
rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6'

HTTP_REFERER'http://202.71.106.119:7080/error_log/manage_main'
SERVER_NAME 'localhost.web.vi'
REMOTE_ADDR '67.46.93.3'
PATH_TRANSLATED '/error_log/manage_workspace'
SERVER_PORT '7080'
HTTP_HOST   '202.71.106.119:7080'
HTTP_ACCEPT 
'text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5' 


GATEWAY_INTERFACE   'CGI/1.1'
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE'en-us,en;q=0.5'
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING'gzip,deflate'
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE '300'


Now, that error is definitely from the email I sent. Even the 
REMOTE_ADDR matches. Here's where the problem arises:
* I don't use Apache, and I'd rather not have to if I can get away with 
it. Just one more program to maintain.
* I use Pound on my front end, which passes requests to Squid, which in 
turn passes them to Zope. This is a pretty common procedure for people 
using Pound/Zope.
* As a result, if I want to send requests *directly* to Zope, I need to 
use the IP address. That's why I've entered the following in my 
/etc/aliases file (which is also now in my 
/var/qmail/aliases/.qmail-l33tm4il file, which one how-to said to use if 
qmail is your mail server, as mine is):
   rejoice: "|smtp2zope.py 
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer 2"


Apparently, MailBoxer doesn't like that. Apparently, it wants a web 
address, like rejoice.2012.vi, in my case. But that won't get past Pound 
:( What do? Which file should I hack to get it to accept the IP address?

TIA,
beno
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer, Qmail and smtp2zope.py

[KE Liew]

No matter how dumb he may be, its best not to heat yourself up for his
cause. It's just foolish and damaging yourself, Chris. :)

Beno, you have a serious problem that you still don't realise. You
need to read up on many things especially on smtp and/or qmail. You
mentioned that you have the experience, but many can tell you that you
don't simply because you can't even solve this problem.

I suggest you to read the fabulous manual. ;)


KwangErn

On 8/24/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

beno wrote:
> Apparently, MailBoxer must be configured a little differently for qmail:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/adytumsolutions/docs/MailBoxer

Fuck. When will you get the picture? NO ONE CARES!

> /var/qmail/bin/smtp2zope.py
>
> Is that correct?

This look like a qmail list to you?

Any chance you could do the species a favour and find some way to remove
yourself from the gene pool?

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[Philip Kilner]

Hi Beno,

beno wrote:
> Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that
> use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume
> production work and seem to be happy.

Odd, then, that you have not had much input on the list about that. I
can't provide numbers, but the people I speak to/work with all use
Apache or Enfold.

>> My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because
>> that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail
>> host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me
>> mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk".
>>   
> Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you!
> 

I'm glad I was able to help.

Since I have, can I ask you to consider the flak you have had on the
list and learn from it, please?

Specifically: -

- The "shouting" (all caps, multiple exclamation marks) is likely to
discourage people from helping you.

- Stephan's comments about different cultures is something you need to
take on board. I appreciate that your frustration combined with a
certain Germanic bluntness was a fatal combination, but these guys were
trying to help you and you roundly abused them.

I've hard a hard time learning to fly Zope - I've been using it for over
five years, but I learn more every day, and initially the learning curve
was very steep and I spent a lot of time as frustrated as you have been.
This list and it's relatives (DB, ZPT) got me through that, and I like
to try to help where I can in return - so I like to see the list
dynamics /work/.


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer, Qmail and smtp2zope.py

[Chris Withers]

beno wrote:

Apparently, MailBoxer must be configured a little differently for qmail:

http://www.zope.org/Members/adytumsolutions/docs/MailBoxer


Fuck. When will you get the picture? NO ONE CARES!


/var/qmail/bin/smtp2zope.py

Is that correct?


This look like a qmail list to you?

Any chance you could do the species a favour and find some way to remove 
yourself from the gene pool?


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[Chris Withers]

beno wrote:
Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that 
use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume 
production work and seem to be happy.


"strong" by who's definition? The odd numpty who asserts random 
statements that happen to fit themselves without any factual basis 
whatsoever?



http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx
  

Pound is also supported :)


er, yeah... or something...

warning: product requires intellect to operate


That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server.
  

Whatever, but if I don't need cgi scripts, what do I care?


You mistake is thinking that anyone here actually cares what you care...


that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail
host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me
mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk".
  

Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you!


retard...

(the last definition on http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=retard)

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[Zope] MailBoxer, Qmail and smtp2zope.py

[beno]

Hi;
Apparently, MailBoxer must be configured a little differently for qmail:

http://www.zope.org/Members/adytumsolutions/docs/MailBoxer

Following their advice, I created the following file:

server167# vi /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-rejoice
rejoice:"| smtp2zope.py 
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer 2"


where "rejoice" is the name of the list, the IP and port are correct, 
"rejoice.2012.vi" is the folder and "rejoice" the instance of MailBoxer.

Incidentally, surfing to that URL throws an error (see below).

I have put a copy of smtp2zope.py here:

/var/qmail/bin/smtp2zope.py

Is that correct?

My mailto is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
where "mail" is the smtp and "rejoice.2012.vi" is the URL.
I try subscribing by sending an email to that address with "subscribe" 
in the subject, but I collect it in the email box I set up for that 
address in vpopmail. I have also tried this without said mailbox in 
vpopmail, but then the email just bounces. Either way, nothing ever ends 
up in the "maillist", nor do I ever get an email telling me I've been 
subscribed. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
beno

PS. Error from surfing to 
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer


*KeyError*

Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):

   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 175, in publish_module_standard
   * Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PatchStringIO, line
 34, in new_publish
   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 132, in publish
   * Module Zope.App.startup, line 204, in zpublisher_exception_hook
   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 101, in publish
   * Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
   * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 39, in call_object
   * Module Products.MailBoxer.MailBoxer, line 348, in manage_mailboxer
   * Module Products.MailBoxer.MailBoxer, line 661, in checkMail
   * Module Products.MailBoxer.MailBoxer, line 975, in getMailFromRequest
   * Module ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, line 1217, in __getitem__

KeyError: 'Mail' (Also, an error occurred while attempting to render the 
standard error message.)



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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[beno]

Philip Kilner wrote:

Hi,

beno wrote:
  

Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only
using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache.



Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an
application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not*
designed for production use.
  
Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that 
use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume 
production work and seem to be happy.
  

the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward



You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: -

http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx
  

Pound is also supported :)
  

Zope can't handle cgi
scirpts



That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server.
  

Whatever, but if I don't need cgi scripts, what do I care?
  

I find the tokens "yourMailHost"
and "yourDomain" terribly unclear.




I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: -

My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because
that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail
host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me
mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk".
  

Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you!
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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David H wrote:


hang in there beno. 


Would it be too rude to add "preferably by the neck"? ;-)

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[David H]

Philip Kilner wrote:

  Hi,

beno wrote:
  
  
Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only
using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache.

  
  
Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an
application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not*
designed for production use.

  
  
the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward

  
  
You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: -

http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx

  
  
Zope can't handle cgi
scirpts

  
  
That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server.

  
  
I find the tokens "yourMailHost"
and "yourDomain" terribly unclear.


  
  
I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: -

My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because
that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail
host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me
mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk".

What's the problem?


  


hang in there beno.   You've been baptised. 


david






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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Jonathan wrote:


P.S.  Quite a propos in this particular instance.


Especially the 2nd definition...

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question



Philip Kilner wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:

numpty.



That is /such/ a great word!


My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-)

*grinz*


P.S.  Quite a propos in this particular instance.


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Hi Chris,

Chris Withers wrote:
>>> numpty.
>>
>> That is /such/ a great word!
> 
> My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-)
> 

First said to me by a distressed Scots techie - "Is that guy a numpty,
or what?", and I hear it in my head in a Scots accent to this day.

UrbanDictionary.com has great examples, and tells us that it is indeed
Scots...


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[Jonathan]

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Hi Chris,

Chris Withers wrote:

numpty.



That is /such/ a great word!



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty



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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Philip Kilner wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:

numpty.



That is /such/ a great word!


My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-)

*grinz*

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Hi Chris,

Chris Withers wrote:
> numpty.
> 

That is /such/ a great word!


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[Chris Withers]

beno wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:

beno wrote:
As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but 
Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy 
directly to Zope, 


Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there?
Actually, there are a *lot* of people who *don't* use Apache! 


What? There are more of you? As I said before: "dear god no!"

Here's 
why: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, 


You really have absolutely no clue do you?

so if you're only 
using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. 


...much like your english. The word you're looking for in inelegant:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inelegant

Not a good, clean 
solution at all! 


Say it again sam, it's still bollocks...

Besides, the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache 
are awkward, 


?!
(I'm speachless, and that doesn't happen often...)

and that's the reason why!  However, Zope can't handle cgi 
scirpts,


...or even cgi scripts, no matter how much clueless eejets like yourself 
keep trying to ram than pesky square peg into the funny round shaped hole.



and Mailman uses cgi scripts.


A P A C H E

That's one reason I don't want 
Mailman. 


numpty.

Furthermore, MailBoxer could be more easily integrated into 
Plone,


Hahaha... you said the P word...


Will *you* answer my question?


In a word: no.

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Hi,

beno wrote:
> Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only
> using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache.

Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an
application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not*
designed for production use.

> the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward

You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: -

http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx

> Zope can't handle cgi
> scirpts

That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server.

> I find the tokens "yourMailHost"
> and "yourDomain" terribly unclear.
> 

I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: -

My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because
that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail
host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me
mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk".

What's the problem?


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[beno]

Chris Withers wrote:

beno wrote:
As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but 
Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy 
directly to Zope, 


Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there?
Actually, there are a *lot* of people who *don't* use Apache! Here's 
why: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only 
using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. Not a good, clean 
solution at all! Besides, the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache 
are awkward, and that's the reason why!  However, Zope can't handle cgi 
scirpts, and Mailman uses cgi scripts. That's one reason I don't want 
Mailman. Furthermore, MailBoxer could be more easily integrated into 
Plone, because it's integrated into Zope, therefore sharing password 
information, etc., would be easier, and that makes MailBoxer a more 
logical choice. I always prefer Zope products over non-Zope products for 
integration purposes. Now...


Will *you* answer my question?

On this page (of a Zope product):
http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/
there is the instruction to send an email to this address:
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? The list is 
called "rejoice", the Web site in question is called "rejoice.2012.vi" 
and I tried this address: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It didn't work. So I tried 
this address: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". On that one, I didn't get a 
bounce but I didn't show up in the Properties::maillist, either, nor did 
I receive a welcome message :( Frankly, I find the tokens "yourMailHost" 
and "yourDomain" terribly unclear.


TIA,
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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beno wrote:

Hi;
The creator of this Product hasn't returned my email, so I am asking the 
list for help. I have done the following:


Why don't you just use mailman?

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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beno wrote:
As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but 
Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly 
to Zope, 


Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there?

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[beno]

Joerg Baach wrote:

"For example: To subscribe to the list send a mail with the subject (not
the body) subscribe (without quotes!) to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  
Yes, I did read that. I must misunderstand it. This is what I think it 
means, and I'm wrong, because my email client won't let me send it:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]://202.71.106.119:7080/MailHost/manage_main.rejoice.2012.vi

Can you provide me with a correct example of it? I did read the 
instructions. What they lack is examples for those of us less 
technically inclined than the author :)


As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but 
Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly 
to Zope, so I don't even know how to run cgi scripts, since Zope doesn't 
support them. That's why I googled up MailBoxer, and it looks like a 
good product.

TIA,
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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--On 22. August 2006 12:35:40 -0400 beno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Andreas Jung wrote:

You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail
client and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new
list address.

That did not work. It came to the mailbox directly. Here is my line from
/etc/aliases:

rejoice:"| smtp2zope.py
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer

where "rejoice" is the name of the list and the name of the mailboxer



Nothing against Maik's famous Mailboxer...perhaps Mailman might be
the better choice.

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Hi beno,
>> Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on:
>>
>> http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/
>>

> email with a specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address
> where the postings will go." What is the "signature"? How do I edit that?
> TIA,

In the above mentioned page:

"For example: To subscribe to the list send a mail with the subject (not
the body) subscribe (without quotes!) to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Reading the page helps a lot, and tiny bit of poking around in the ZMI
should get your started.

Cheers,

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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

[beno]

Andreas Jung wrote:
You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail 
client and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new 
list address.
That did not work. It came to the mailbox directly. Here is my line from 
/etc/aliases:


rejoice:"| smtp2zope.py 
http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer


where "rejoice" is the name of the list and the name of the mailboxer 
instance within folder "rejoice.2012.vi".

TIA,
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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--On 22. August 2006 12:15:09 -0400 beno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joerg Baach wrote:



Well, one thing I noticed I did wrong off the bat was in /etc/aliases I
had a line .../manage_main where it should have been ../manage_mailboxer.
That's changed. However, that page you reference says: "People can
subscribe/unsubscribe your list by sending an 'signed' email with a
specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address where the
postings will go."


You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail client 
and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new list address.


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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Joerg Baach wrote:

I can't tell about the qmail side of things, as I am pulling the email
from a pop3 box. But on the administration side: have a look at the
properties panel of the Mail Boxer in the ZMI. 

I think I've got a handle on that...

The variable 'maillist'
contains the subscribed emails.

Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on:

http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/
  
Well, one thing I noticed I did wrong off the bat was in /etc/aliases I 
had a line .../manage_main where it should have been 
../manage_mailboxer. That's changed. However, that page you reference 
says: "People can subscribe/unsubscribe your list by sending an 'signed' 
email with a specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address 
where the postings will go." What is the "signature"? How do I edit that?

TIA,
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Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question

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Hi beno,

> Now...how does it work?? Surfing to the index page shows an empty
> archive! How does one subscribe to and email and administer the list?

I can't tell about the qmail side of things, as I am pulling the email
from a pop3 box. But on the administration side: have a look at the
properties panel of the Mail Boxer in the ZMI. The variable 'maillist'
contains the subscribed emails.

Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on:

http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/


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[Zope] MailBoxer Question

[beno]

Hi;
The creator of this Product hasn't returned my email, so I am asking the 
list for help. I have done the following:


* OS is FreeBSD 6.1, Zope is 2.7.8
* Installed with MaildropHost (also have SecureMailHost). Followed all 
instructions in MaildropHost.
* Installed smtp2zope.py in /var/qmail/bin (I use qmail, so I presume 
this is correct??).

* Added a new alias in /etc/aliases as per instructions.
* I have an already existing MailHost (although this appears to not be 
an issue, because of MaildropHost).

* Successfully created and populated a MailBoxer folder.

Now...how does it work?? Surfing to the index page shows an empty 
archive! How does one subscribe to and email and administer the list?

TIA,
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[Zope] Mailboxer & subscription box

[Norbert M Haigermoser]

hi !
i want to use (plone)Mailboxer as a newsletter system.
is there a posibility to create a web-form to handle the
un / subscription ?
(like: Please enter your emailaddress here and press the send-button)
thanks for help
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