VACList-Digest Saturday, December 8, 2001 Issue 144
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rally Time
2. Re:
3. Re: Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)
4. Draining Water Heater for Winter
5. Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
6. Ambassador value
7. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
8. Manual trans, heat and towing in the desert
9. Re: Manual trans, heat and towing in the desert
10. What's VINTAGE
11. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
12. Re: Ambassador value
13. Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
14. Re: duratorque axles
15. Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
16. Re: duratorque axles
17. Re: duratorque axles
18. Re: duratorque axles
19. Re: duratorque axles
20. Re: Draining Water Heater for Winter
21. Re: What's VINTAGE
22. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
23. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
24. Re:
25. Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
26. Re: What's VINTAGE
27. Re: What's VINTAGE
28. Re: What's VINTAGE
29. Re: What's VINTAGE
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:46:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Rowbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rally Time
To anyone thiking about next years rallys.
This past October we took a trip through the Outer
Banks.
About half way down the Outer Banks, there are three
towns, Rodanthe, Waves and Salvo. At Waves there is a
KOA Camp Hatteras then a private park called Camp
Hatteras and another park I don't remember their name.
Prices were from $22 - $40 per night.
We stayed at Camp Hatteras to check out their
facilities for having a Washington DC unit rally. This
park fronts on the Ocean and on Pamlico Sound. The
road splits the park in this area. They have a great
location here, you can hear the Ocean or walk over the
dunes to it. They also have indoor and outdoor pools,
a meeting hall with kitchen, a games room for the
kids, Miniature golf, Tennis court and close to a
fishing pier.
At the entrance there is a couple, Doug and Sue Green,
in a 55 Safari waiting to greet you. They work at the
park and live in their trailer and are the official
welcoming party for Airstream trailers.
The Outer Banks is known for being the home of
Blackbeard the Pirate and the first lighthouse in
North America. The current Cape Hatteras lighthouse
was moved up the beach in 1999 to keep it from washing
into the Ocean. It was quite a job costing 23 million
dollars.
Bring your treasure hunting equipment as there are
thousands of ship wrecks along the Outer Banks and
stuff washes up after every storm.
If you want to get in on a great rally, it will be
held the Camp Hatteras park next Aug. 15 - 18, 2002.
Put on by the Washington DC unit and attracting mostly
vintage trailers. Sign up information from Garnett
Horner email " [EMAIL PROTECTED] " . Sign up
early as the Washington rallys are getting known for
their great times and fill up fast.
Doug #3327
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Message Number: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:48:22 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
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Dick
One time we were at a campground in North GA and the two wheel drive vehi=
cle we used for the trip, could not get enough traction to back the trail=
er into the camp site with out spinning. On our departure it rained befor=
e we left and the road was a little slick, so it had to spin some more mu=
d on the trailer. With the 4X4 I have not had that problem. The only draw=
back mine has is that it's regular cab, and the 4 of us can't go in one v=
ehicle.
Bobby
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From: Dick and Kris Parins
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re:
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> From: VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:38:51 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC]
>
> 4WD is optional, but desirable if you live in snow country.
,
My name is Dick and I'm an Airstream owner wannabe. Still doing research
and watching the classifieds. But I do know something about living in sn=
ow
country. While I totally agree with the above comment I would think anyo=
ne
on a tight budget should seriously consider whether they need 4WD. All
costs of operation are higher than with 2WD, mileage is worse and normal=
ly
cost of acquisition is higher. I noticed that the original message from
resorarchitect mentioned only 4WD options. What do people experienced wi=
th
towing think?
Based on my experience with a '95 Jeep Cherokee I would not expect the tw=
o
Jeep options to make dood tow vehicles.
Dick
Wannabe
Wisconsin
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V>One time we were at a campground in North GA and the two wheel dri=
ve vehicle we used for the trip, could not get enough traction to ba=
ck the trailer into the camp site with out spinning. On our departur=
e it rained before we left and the road was a little slick, so it had to =
spin some more mud on the trailer. With the 4X4 I have not had that probl=
em. The only drawback mine has is that it's regular cab, and the 4 of us =
can't go in one vehicle.</DIV> <DIV>Bobby</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MA=
RGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV =
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"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Dick a=
nd Kris Parins</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday,=
December 07, 2001 12:20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:<=
/B> Multiple recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">=
<B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>> From: VACLi=
st <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<=
BR>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:38:51 -0800<BR>> To: Multiple recipie=
nts of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>> Subject: [VAC]<BR>&g=
t;<BR>> 4WD is optional, but desirable if you live in snow country.<BR=
>,<BR><BR><BR>My name is Dick and I'm an Airstream owner wannabe. S=
till doing research<BR>and watching the classifieds. But I do know =
something about living in snow<BR>country. While I totally agree wi=
th the above comment I would think anyone<BR>on a tight budget should ser=
iously consider whether they need 4WD. All<BR>costs of operat=
ion are higher than with 2WD, mileage is worse and normally<BR>cost=
of acquisition is higher. I noticed that the original message from=
<BR>resorarchitect mentioned only 4WD options. What do people exper=
ienced with<BR>towing think?<BR><BR>Based on my experience with a '95 Jee=
p Cherokee I would not expect the two<BR>Jeep options to make dood tow ve=
hicles.<BR><BR>Dick<BR>Wannabe<BR>Wisconsin<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubsc=
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Message Number: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:51:10 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)
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Pretty well put Jim.
Bobby
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From: jim clark
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:00 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)
This could only be called advice for very new towers.. The people that have
been towing all their lives are much less likely to over extend their
capabilities...
Tow Vehicle....
Don't forget that the whole package is important... springs, brakes,
engine, transmission etc.. Don't select something that has to work
perfectly to get the job done... There will be times that the only thing
between you and disaster is the margin between what's required and what you
have...When you are selecting the type of transmission, select what you
have been using for the bulk of your driving... If you use manual trans a
lot, then you probably won't screw up when the chips are down...If
everything you have driven since the army was auto, buy auto...all you will
remember when you get in trouble, is put you foot on the brake...
Hitch...
Get a better hitch that most people think you need... If you have a large
trailer use a Pull Right or the Hensley ... Smaller trailers are fine with
Reese Dual Cam type of hitch...There are some nasty pictures of Airstreams
upside down due to a combination of mistakes...If you kill yourself using
marginal equipment, I will feel anguish, but if you kill me or someone else
in my rig, I will be really pissed...
Speed..
You will get a few one finger salutes if you stay at 55 or 60, but not
many... especially if you keep to the right and make an effort to keep it
steady...If you decide to run at 70, just because every one else is going
that fast, you better have the very best equipment...If you get double
tapped at 70, by a pair of bread trucks trying to get home, you will find
out what sway means...
General..
Picking something that needs perfect conditions to be functional is a big
mistake... If you have no chance to stop your setup on a damp road, with
failed trailer brakes, you might want to take another look at your
choices...ie a light car pulling a 25+ foot trailer loaded with water,
clothes and other necessities...You haven't really lived until you slide
out into your first intersection....and that might be the end of it....
Sorry to sound so rancid, but I am getting ready to head out for a couple
of months and am worrying about who will be out there with me... The big
boys don't scare me much... it's the ones that want to pull it with a
bicycle just because that's what they usually ride and they think it looks
cool....
My apologies for venting... Jim
Jim Clark
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t Jim.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bobby </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <=
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D: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> jim clark</DIV> =
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 07, 2001 2:=
00 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> Multiple recipient=
s of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] =
Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)</DIV> <DIV> <=
/DIV>This could only be called advice for very new towers.. The people th=
at have<BR>been towing all their lives are much less likely to over exten=
d their<BR>capabilities...<BR><BR>Tow Vehicle....<BR>Don't forget that th=
e whole package is important... springs, brakes,<BR>engine, transmission =
etc.. Don't select something that has to work<BR>perfectly to get the job=
done... There will be times that the only thing<BR>between you and disas=
ter is the margin between what's required and what you<BR>have...When you=
are selecting the type of transmission, select what you<BR>have been usi=
ng for the bulk of your driving... If you use manual trans a<BR>lot, then=
you probably won't screw up when the chips are down...If<BR>everything y=
ou have driven since the army was auto, buy auto...all you will<BR>rememb=
er when you get in trouble, is put you foot on the brake...<BR>Hitch...<B=
R>Get a better hitch that most people think you need... If you have a lar=
ge<BR>trailer use a Pull Right or the Hensley ... Smaller trailers are fi=
ne with<BR>Reese Dual Cam type of hitch...There are some nasty pictures o=
f Airstreams<BR>upside down due to a combination of mistakes...If you kil=
l yourself using<BR>marginal equipment, I will feel anguish, but if you k=
ill me or someone else<BR>in my rig, I will be really pissed...<BR>Speed.=
.<BR>You will get a few one finger salutes if you stay at 55 or 60, but n=
ot<BR>many... especially if you keep to the right and make an effort to k=
eep it<BR>steady...If you decide to run at 70, just because every one els=
e is going<BR>that fast, you better have the very best equipment...If you=
get double<BR>tapped at 70, by a pair of bread trucks trying to get home=
, you will find<BR>out what sway means...<BR><BR>General..<BR>Picking som=
ething that needs perfect conditions to be functional is a big<BR>mistake=
... If you have no chance to stop your setup on a damp road, with<BR>fail=
ed trailer brakes, you might want to take another look at your<BR>choices=
...ie a light car pulling a 25+ foot trailer loaded with water,<BR>clothe=
s and other necessities...You haven't really lived until you slide<BR>out=
into your first intersection....and that might be the end of it....<BR><=
BR>Sorry to sound so rancid, but I am getting ready to head out for a cou=
ple<BR>of months and am worrying about who will be out there with me... T=
he big<BR>boys don't scare me much... it's the ones that want to pull it =
with a<BR>bicycle just because that's what they usually ride and they thi=
nk it looks<BR>cool....<BR><BR>My apologies for venting... Jim<BR><=
BR><BR><BR>Jim Clark<BR><BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To un=
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Message Number: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:32:05 -0000
From: "Dana Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Draining Water Heater for Winter
Hi, I've been looking at Tom Patterson's pages about winterizing and
everyone speaks of using the RV antifreeze. I live just north of Houston
and we don't have the bad winters that some people do. We do know how to
drain the lines by raising and lowing the trailer. This worked for us last
yr although we had a mild winter. We did just get a new hot water heater and
we're not sure how to drain it. Is there a trick to it?
Also we might take a trip to California and wonder, if we encounter some
freezing weather, do we need to drain everything. Our furnace pilot doesn't
light but the fan motor does run. If we run the electric heater will that
furnace fan recirculate the warm air thru the ducts that go around the lines
and tanks? We have 73 overlander.
Would appreciate any advise.
DANA
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Message Number: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:48:07 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
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The M151A1 is like a monster truck compared to these others.
6 wheel drive, runs on 6 combinations of fuel, high/low transfer case.
Man what a puller that would be to have.
On the bad side: No A/C, radio. Need earplugs while driving.
Bobby
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From: lefty frizzell
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:51 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
After years, of gamma-goats, Duece and a halfs, 3/4 ton Utility Truck, The
Mule, and the venerable M151A1, I just find it hard to get caught up in
what's in reality just another pickup.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.users.earthink.net/~leftyfrizzell
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From: "Susan Andersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 December 01 20:03
Subject: [VAC] Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
To each their own, however I wouldn't trade my Hummer
wagon for anything else - and they do make for a great
tow vehicle for a vintage Airstream. Both are unique
and not for everyone, however I think that's what
makes them go together so well. They each are the
ultimate in their class (in my opinion anyway).
Regards,
Susan
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p;is like a monster truck compared to these others.</DIV> <DIV>6 wheel dr=
ive, runs on 6 combinations of fuel, high/low transfer case.</DIV> <DIV>M=
an what a puller that would be to have. </DIV> <DIV>On the bad side:=
No A/C, radio. Need earplugs while driving.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>Bobby</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV=
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</=
B> lefty frizzell</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tues=
day, December 04, 2001 9:51 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>T=
o:</B> Multiple recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Aria=
l"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle</DIV> <DIV> =
</DIV>After years, of gamma-goats, Duece and a halfs, 3/4 ton Utility Tru=
ck, The<BR>Mule, and the venerable M151A1, I just find it hard to get cau=
ght up in<BR>what's in reality just another pickup.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Lefty =
Frizzell<BR><BR><BR><BR>http://home.users.earthink.net/~leftyfrizzell<BR>=
----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Susan Andersen" <p51mustang124@=
yahoo.com><BR>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@airstre=
am.net><BR>Sent: 04 December 01 20:03<BR>Subject: [VAC] Re: The "Ultim=
ate" Tow vehicle<BR><BR><BR>To each their own, however I wouldn't trade m=
y Hummer<BR>wagon for anything else - and they do make for a great<BR>tow=
vehicle for a vintage Airstream. Both are unique<BR>and not for ev=
eryone, however I think that's what<BR>makes them go together so well.&nb=
sp; They each are the<BR>ultimate in their class (in my opinion anyway).<=
BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Susan<BR><BR>_________________________________________=
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Message Number: 6
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:45:28 -0600
From: harriswest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ambassador value
> > Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =
> > Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they asked =
> > how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. Could =
> > someone please tell me what amount I should insure it for?
> > Thanks!
> > Hughie and Melissa
As far as the insurance folks are concerned, what you paid is all they
need to know. There is no "blue book value" for a nearly thirty year
old rig. By the time they reach that venerability they can range from
priceless to worthless.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:52:10 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
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Melissa
I too, have a '73 Ambassador (rear twin). It's insured for 10K.
Daisy has a '73 Ambassador too. So now that makes three Ambassador owners=
that I know of.
Would love to see photos when you have a chance.
Bobby Gill
'66 Ambassador (Rear Bath)
'73 Ambassador (rear twin) =20
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From: Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 7:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
=20
Melissa,
Unless you feel you purchased the trailer way below market value, I would
suggest that what you paid for it would be reasonable amount to insure it
for.
PS, please send messages in plain text.
Scott
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From: "Melissa Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: [VAC] Just bought a 1973 Airstream
> Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D
> Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they asked =3D
> how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. Could=
=3D
> someone please tell me what amount I should insure it for?
> Thanks!
> Hughie and Melissa
>
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<DIV>I too, have a '73 Ambassador (rear twin). It's insured for 10K.</DIV=
> <DIV>Daisy has a '73 Ambassador too. So now that makes three Ambassador=
owners that I know of.</DIV> <DIV>Would love to see photos when you have=
a chance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bobby Gill</DIV> <DIV>'66 Ambassa=
dor (Rear Bath)</DIV> <DIV>'73 Ambassador (rear twin) </DIV> <DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MA=
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"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Scott =
Scheuermann</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, De=
cember 07, 2001 7:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
Multiple recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>S=
ubject:</B> [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream</DIV> <DIV> </DIV=
>Melissa,<BR><BR>Unless you feel you purchased the trailer way below mark=
et value, I would<BR>suggest that what you paid for it would be reasonabl=
e amount to insure it<BR>for.<BR><BR>PS, please send messages in plain te=
xt.<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Melissa Wr=
ight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList"=
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:13 PM=
<BR>Subject: [VAC] Just bought a 1973 Airstream<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Could=
someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D<BR>&g=
t; Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and t=
hey asked =3D<BR>> how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in=
excellent shape. Could =3D<BR>> someone please tell me wh=
at amount I should insure it for?<BR>> Thanks!<BR>> Hughie and Meli=
ssa<BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe or change to a daily Di=
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Message Number: 8
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:27:04 -0600
From: harriswest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Manual trans, heat and towing in the desert
> One more question for now on towing: Since much of our towing will be in hot
> desert conditions will a stick be more dependable than a properly cooled
> automatic transmission? Can a standard tranny ever get too hot?
A stick will always be more dependable, generally speaking. But again,
get what you are comfortable with. Standards will get hot when they
run, mainly from conduction from the block and radiant heat from the
exhaust. 250F operating temps are typical and a manual grind box can
handle just fine. Unless your engine itself is overheating or you have
other obvious mechanical problems it won't ever get "too hot."
I have to take polite exception to the Doc's comment that the gears tend
to be more substantial for the horsepower than in an auto - although
individual models may vary. Manual trans are designed so that the gears
are physically slid in and out of engagement, auto trans use constant
mesh planetary arrangments which don't have to be beefed up to withstand
crashing together. Gears in a Chevy TH350 auto are pretty flimsy
looking compared to those in my Dana T18 manual, but the auto will
handle 400+ HP and the Dana will grenade with much over about 250 HP.
As further anecdotal example, when you rebuild an auto, you replace the
brake bands and control units but the gears themselves rarely break. I
can't say that for a manual trans.
However, the Doc did get it absolutely right as far as the torque
converter being the major heat source in an auto. This bumps the normal
operating temp up to around the 350F range, the trans oil cooler will
dump all excess heat into the radiator, and you will not be able to run
the SoCal deserts with stock configuration in the summertime with Air
Stream in tow.
Again, I have to take polite exception to the Doc, who said:
I think the typical temperature rise of engine and
> automatic transmission is a whole lot more than the difference between
> Iowa and Death Valley summer temperatures, so the ambient is a small
> part of the temperature effect.
I've driven Palm Springs/indio/coachella valley, without trailer, at
120F air temp, and can attest that at that temp ambient is definitely a
consideration. Your cooling system is not designed for more than about
105F, and at 120 your cooling system simply can not rid itself of excess
heat. Holding speed down to about 40MPH allowed the system to reach an
acceptable equilibrium, with the A/C off and the heater running full
blast. This with brand new radiator plus ancilliaries such as hoses &c,
fresh valve job, ignition timing on the money, etc etc etc.
If you insist on towing under these conditions, get yourself a
heavy-duty racing radiator and supplemental electric cooling fans, along
with a separate heavy-duty trans cooler. It'll cost you $600-700 but
you won't overheat. If you stay where ambient is less than 100F and
keep the speed below about 45-50MPH when it gets hot, a standard "tow
package" should do fine, even with that integral trans cooler boiling
away in your rad.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX (formerly Lost Angeles)
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:56:21 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Manual trans, heat and towing in the desert
A standard transmission in high gear (not overdrive) uses no gears. The
power flow is straight through no speed change.
No modern standard transmission uses sliding gears except for reverse
gear, its all by synchronizers and dog clutches. The gears stay in mesh
all the time.
The oil in a standard transmission does no hydraulic function, no torque
convertor, no hydraulic pump, no valves, no cylinders. Just lubricates
and cools.
Since the oil temperature may go up to 350 F you say, I say it doesn't
make much difference whether it starts at 120 or at 100, the rise is a
great deal more than the difference in ambient. Sure the oil temperature
will be higher and the cooling less effective with the ambient hot, but
not all that much.
Its not possible to over cool the automatic transmission. And while its
hard on passengers, often turning off the A/C and turning on the heat
full can prevent engine overheating in the desert. Large transmission
coolers and radiators are good additions to any towing vehicle.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:59:57 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What's VINTAGE
How about a pre-1966 chat? We seem to be getting into a lot of newer (VAC)
units.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 03:21:37 -0500
From: "Melissa Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
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Bobby I know nothing about this site so I'm not sure how to send you =
pics. I don't even know if this is the right way to respond. Please =
send me your email address.
Melissa
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Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Melissa
I too, have a '73 Ambassador (rear twin). It's insured for 10K.
Daisy has a '73 Ambassador too. So now that makes three Ambassador =
owners that I know of.
Would love to see photos when you have a chance.
Bobby Gill
'66 Ambassador (Rear Bath)
'73 Ambassador (rear twin)=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 7:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Melissa,
Unless you feel you purchased the trailer way below market value, I =
would
suggest that what you paid for it would be reasonable amount to =
insure it
for.
PS, please send messages in plain text.
Scott
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> Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =
=3D
> Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they =
asked =3D
> how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. =
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> Thanks!
> Hughie and Melissa
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 07:34:41 -0600
From: Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ambassador value
Check out several insurance carriers. Foremost has good rates, insures
RV's and will let you increase your insurance as you improve your trailer.
Blair
At 08:45 PM 12/7/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>
> > > Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =
> > > Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they asked =
> > > how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. Could =
> > > someone please tell me what amount I should insure it for?
> > > Thanks!
> > > Hughie and Melissa
>
>As far as the insurance folks are concerned, what you paid is all they
>need to know. There is no "blue book value" for a nearly thirty year
>old rig. By the time they reach that venerability they can range from
>priceless to worthless.
>--
>Mike Harris
>Austin, TX
>
>
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:31:21 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
I wouild look at former utility or state vehicle from an auction or from a
dealer that specializes in them . They are maintained on a schedule , not driven
to hard by teenage sons , and are spec-ed out heavy duty ( but not plush in the
extra`s ).They trade them at 100,000 or so so they have some life left , a good
value for <5000 $ which does not buy much in the used market these days. 4wd
drive costs more , uses more gas ,has more parts to break ,and as long as you
dont put your trailer where it should`nt be anyway ,you should`nt need it .
Thats what I did anyway , I got A 3/4 ton suburban which has given me two
years good service,and is good for another 100,000 miles ,I just had to put up
with our local power co.`s orange paint until I had time to repaint it (seafoam
green !).
Anyway , I think that the vehicles you have looked at are too short or too
underpowered for your tradewind . After all that goes in restoring a trailer ,
why choose an unsafe puller , The first time you get passed by a semi or have to
stop quick you will see why everyone who puts any miles on their rig says get a
real truck ,or a BIG 70`s sedan. That tradewind is heavier than you would think
,when its in your rearview mirror .
Chris 90 burb cost 3800 in jan 99
>
> > Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> > Wind.
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:31:51 -0600
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: duratorque axles
I would appreciate any info about what to look for on a duratorque axle or
anything else regarding old running gear and safe condition/operation. I am
one of the many people looking for a smaller old unit. Did all of the
smaller ones (under 20 feet) come with the duratorque? Thanks.
Dick
Wisconsin
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:13:30 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
Used to be, in Iowa, that the IDOT auctions were not well known but the
vehicles tended to look like they had been run until the wheels had
fallen off once. A few were good bargains, word got around and neophyte
bidders now make their auctions look like ebay with inflated prices for
the quality of the merchandise.
I'd not be sure any employee would treat a vehicle as nice as a teen
driver.
When I was last shopping, I did find a 3/4 ton truck from an electric
coop on one dealer's lot. It was priced at a premium though it had
127,000 miles and was in need of upholstery and paint, and I don't know
what all under the hood.
Caveat emptor.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:15:39 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: duratorque axles
As far as I know, once Airstream abandoned axles on springs, all models
went to duratorque axles.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:54:11 -0700
From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: duratorque axles
There is an informative article on Duratorque axles at Inland RV's site:
http://www.inlandrv.com/
Click on the articles link.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick and Kris Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I would appreciate any info about what to look for on a duratorque axle or
> anything else regarding old running gear and safe condition/operation. I
am
> one of the many people looking for a smaller old unit. Did all of the
> smaller ones (under 20 feet) come with the duratorque? Thanks.
>
> Dick
> Wisconsin
>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:45:30 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: duratorque axles
I had the axles on our 23' rebuilt last year and the shop that did the work
said that the trailing arm should be horizontal or angled down and when the
arm started to angle up and the trailer looked lower than other Airstreams,
you were a candidate for rebuild... I have heard that Henshen no longer
rebuilds the axles but will sell new axles to individuals....If you have a
multi axle unit, the cost can run up to a thousand or so to replace the
axles and the brake mechanism....You can contact the Henshen sales manager
in Jackson Center Ohio for the details....
Jim
At 09:31 AM 12/08/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I would appreciate any info about what to look for on a duratorque axle or
>anything else regarding old running gear and safe condition/operation. I am
>one of the many people looking for a smaller old unit. Did all of the
>smaller ones (under 20 feet) come with the duratorque? Thanks.
>
>Dick
>Wisconsin
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:28:10 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: duratorque axles
I believe that Airstream switched from leaf spring axles to dura torques
beginning with the '61 models, although there are a couple of '61's out
there with leaf springs.
Scott
'60 Overlander
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick and Kris Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: duratorque axles
> I would appreciate any info about what to look for on a duratorque axle or
> anything else regarding old running gear and safe condition/operation. I
am
> one of the many people looking for a smaller old unit. Did all of the
> smaller ones (under 20 feet) come with the duratorque? Thanks.
>
> Dick
> Wisconsin
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:34:30 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Draining Water Heater for Winter
Dana,
To drain your hot water heater open up the exterior access door. There
should be a largeish looking drain bolt. Ours looks as if it is made of
plastic. I would highly recomend after draining the entire system that you
blow out the lines with clean compressed air to get the remaining water
out...you will be suprised. Also do not forget about the drain traps and
water filter!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: [VAC] Draining Water Heater for Winter
> Hi, I've been looking at Tom Patterson's pages about winterizing and
> everyone speaks of using the RV antifreeze. I live just north of Houston
> and we don't have the bad winters that some people do. We do know how to
> drain the lines by raising and lowing the trailer. This worked for us last
> yr although we had a mild winter. We did just get a new hot water heater
and
> we're not sure how to drain it. Is there a trick to it?
SNIP--------
> Would appreciate any advise.
> DANA
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:04:41 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
Vintage in our case is defined as any Airstream product with a production
year that makes it at least 25 years old. So if I am doing my math correctly
(a big if) as of Jan 1 2002 any Airstream product produced in 1978 or
earlier qualifies as vintage. Segregating the club's members on the club's
list is at this time, inappropriate.
Monitor Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:59 AM
Subject: [VAC] What's VINTAGE
> How about a pre-1966 chat? We seem to be getting into a lot of newer
(VAC)
> units.
>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:34:45 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Yipee, two or three more and we can have an intra club !
Daisy
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:59:48 -0500
From: "Melissa Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Daisy and Bobby can you all send me some pics of yours. We just got ours
and don't have any pics yet but will be happy to send some as soon as we
take a few.
Thanks
Melissa
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:22:03 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Bobby,
A trick that I use with my 2WD truck if: things are a bit slippery,
and/or I have to move with the truck heading "uphill" from the trailer
or the trailer going uphill from the truck. (that is, the whole rig
appears to be bending into a 'V' at the hitch)
Pop the spring bars loose and/or remove them. When the rig is as
described, the bars are trying to lift the rear wheels of the truck even
more than usual, causing a loss of traction. Removing them allows ALL of
the trailer's tongue weight to rest on the hitch, increasing traction
dramatically.
Be sure that your hitch can handle that weight, at least for a short
time. (most definitely NOT while going down the road!)
I had 4WD trucks since 1971 and came to call 2WDs "half a truck", but I
get by nicely now with my Dodge. :-)
<<Jim>>
Bobby wrote to Dick:
Dick
One time we were at a campground in North GA and the two wheel drive
vehicle we used for the trip, could not
get enough traction to back the trailer into the camp site with out
spinning. On our departure it rained before we
left and the road was a little slick, so it had to spin some more mud on
the trailer. With the 4X4 I have not had
that problem. The only drawback mine has is that it's regular cab, and
the 4 of us can't go in one vehicle.
Bobby
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<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
<<lower SE Michigan, USA>>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:34:28 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
One place to shop is along your local roads. I found a truck for my
buddy just down the road from me:
A 3/4-ton Dodge, 1995, 170,000 miles, 360 V8, auto, PW, PB, PS, A/C, for
$5500.00. The guy was asking $6200.00. The floor of the bed was badly
bent from hauling heavy dies.
Why so cheap? He got insulted by the Ford dealer when he tried to trade
it in, was offered $4400.00.
Look for something that has high miles (between 100K and 150K) and has
some body damage (no rust!) that you can live with. Body work is WAY
expensive, so knocks the tradein value down dramatically. Makes it much
cheaper for you to buy.
My own Dodge has several dings and dents, and I added one myself. I'd
have been sick to death if it had been a nearly new $40,000+ vehicle
instead of a 1994 @ $11,000.00 (a year ago).
<<Jim>>
"Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" wrote:
>
> Used to be, in Iowa, that the IDOT auctions were not well known but the
> vehicles tended to look like they had been run until the wheels had
> fallen off once. A few were good bargains, word got around and neophyte
> bidders now make their auctions look like ebay with inflated prices for
> the quality of the merchandise.
>
> I'd not be sure any employee would treat a vehicle as nice as a teen
> driver.
>
> When I was last shopping, I did find a 3/4 ton truck from an electric
> coop on one dealer's lot. It was priced at a premium though it had
> 127,000 miles and was in need of upholstery and paint, and I don't know
> what all under the hood.
>
> Caveat emptor.
>
> Gerald J.
>
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:55:11 -0500
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
At 01:04 PM 12/8/01 -0500, Monitor Scott wrote:
>Vintage in our case is defined as any Airstream product with a production
>year that makes it at least 25 years old. So if I am doing my math correctly
>(a big if) as of Jan 1 2002 any Airstream product produced in 1978 or
>earlier qualifies as vintage. Segregating the club's members on the club's
>list is at this time, inappropriate.
Whee- my '78 will finally be vintage (c; I actually think about
this a lot- in *my* mind, the real change was between '68 and '69- but I
have a real love for the '70 era trailers.
________
Chris Bryant
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:47:34 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
At 01:04 PM 12/8/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Vintage in our case is defined as any Airstream product with a production
>year that makes it at least 25 years old. So if I am doing my math correctly
>(a big if) as of Jan 1 2002 any Airstream product produced in 1978 or
>earlier qualifies as vintage.
Um...2002 less 25 is 77, unless my calculator is acting up. Isn't that
correct? Or are vintage trailers "born" one year old, like horses? ;-)
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:23:08 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
> Um...2002 less 25 is 77, unless my calculator is acting up. Isn't that
> correct? Or are vintage trailers "born" one year old, like horses? ;-)
>
> - Dick
You are right, my 1976 A/S became Vintage as of 1/01/2001.
Don Hardman
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:18:49 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
Try 2001 less 25...I think you'll get 76. Most model years are ahead.
Lefty Frizzell
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Richard P. Kenan
Sent: 08 December 01 17:48
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Subject: [VAC] Re: What's VINTAGE
Um...2002 less 25 is 77, unless my calculator is acting up. Isn't that
correct? Or are vintage trailers "born" one year old, like horses? ;-)
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
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WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
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