VACList-Digest Sunday, December 9, 2001 Issue 145
Today's Topics:
1. Vintage definition
2. Re:
3. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
4. Jim Smith's work of art.
5. Re:
6. Simple logic or lucky guess?
7. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
8. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
9. Re: What's VINTAGE
10. Re: Ambassador value
11. Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
12. 4x4 vs 2 Wheel
13. Re: Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)
14. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
15. Re: 4x4 vs 2 Wheel
16. Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
17. Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
18. Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:27:25 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vintage definition
The definition is simple and the last year of manufacture that
qualifies is simple to calculate. Any Airstream that was manufactured 25
or more years ago is Vintage.
Here is a simple way to figure out the current year of Vintage. In
the year 2000 all 1975 or older were Vintage. In 2001 all 1976 are and in
2005 all 1980 models will be Vintage. You figure out the odd years.
--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:51:41 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 12/9/01 12:29:52 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Try 2001 less 25...I think you'll get 76. Most model years are ahead.
Lefty Frizzell >>
Ohhh, math finally worked out.
OK.....let's GO!
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:14:21 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Sure, go see:
http://www.tiac.net/users/jtdjtd/aspix/airstream3.html
Daisy
Melissa Wright wrote:
>
> Daisy and Bobby can you all send me some pics of yours. We just got ours
> and don't have any pics yet but will be happy to send some as soon as we
> take a few.
> Thanks
> Melissa
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:22:04 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Jim Smith's work of art.
Run, do not walk to see this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirstreamList/files/1965%20Tradewind/
This is fabulous.
When I started to figure out what the inside of my '73 should look like,
I wondered what else was built to serve more or less the same purpose,
and one answer is the cabins of wooden boats.
Leave it to a boat builder to put us all to shame.
Three cheers for Jim Smith.
If you're listening Jim, you have my undying admiration.
I dearly hope I get to see the Silver Albatross and meet you in person
one day.
Daisy
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:32:24 -0600
From: harriswest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
> No modern standard transmission uses sliding gears except for reverse
> gear, its all by synchronizers and dog clutches. The gears stay in mesh
> all the time.
Huh???
Doc, I just rebuilt my Toyota W59 five-speed, about as modern as you can
get, and the gears definitely slide along the mainshaft to
engage/disengage with the cluster gear. There isn't a dog clutch in the
whole gearbox. If all gears were meshed all the time, the thing would be
locked solid.
Disconnect your driveshaft, take off the top cover of your manual
gearbox, and with a big screwdriver force (for example) your
first/reverse gear and your second/third gear into mesh simultaneously -
doesn't matter which way (the top cover mechanism contains lockouts to
prevent this from happening normally). Mash the clutch pedal and try to
turn the works with the clutch disengaged - it ain't gonna happen. Dont
try running the engine with the gearbox locked up like this of course.
> Since the oil temperature may go up to 350 F you say, I say it doesn't
> make much difference whether it starts at 120 or at 100, the rise is a
> great deal more than the difference in ambient. Sure the oil temperature
> will be higher and the cooling less effective with the ambient hot, but
> not all that much.
Well, no, not as such, as the trans itself will reach equilibrium at
about 350F regardless of ambient. It's got that nice, cool 220F water
jacket to unload its heat into. At 120F ambient, though, the
equilibrium temperature of the cooling system as a whole is very likely
to be above its overheating point.
You are absolutely, 100 percent right about "can't get too cool." If
you tow, get the biggest rad and trans cooler there is. Overheating is
an engine-killer (particularly with the GM small-block V8's).
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 00:33:50 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Simple logic or lucky guess?
Hi Airstreamers,
Here's one for those of you who haven't been there, done that --- yet.
The brakes on our Airstream worked fine for the last two months and 2500
miles. Two weeks ago, they didn't work at all after going over a set of
rail road tracks. By the time I had pulled off the highway to check them,
they were working perfectly.
Several days ago, the brakes were working fine until we pulled into a
shopping mall parking lot. Suddenly, no brakes. Again, I checked all the
wire connections. In the process, I touched and moved wires in dozens of
places. None showed any indication of not being exactly as I had intended.
When I got back in the truck and moved the Airstream, we had brakes again.
Based on these two experiences and rightly or wrongly, I decided there was a
transient problem with the ground. That meant I could look for it and check
again and probably check again - and not find the place where the ground was
almost established but neither was it noticeably loose.
Instead of playing cat and mouse, I chose to locate the bundled brake wire
(blue) and ground wire (white) under the Airstream where it fed the junction
box.
After opening the bundle (by cutting it back two inches), I peeled the white
casing down to bare wire (with my leatherman micra), attached another white
wire (from my "stash") to it with a butt connector (everyone carries a box
of those), unraveled enough white wire to reach the support frame for the
water tank, attached a circular connector (a dozen of these last a long
time) to the end of that wire and then, with a self tapping hex head screw
(same ones I used to connect my BAL jacks to the frame) going through the
circular connector, I drilled it into the frame (with my Makita 14.4 volt
portable drill), thereby establishing a new ground (undeniable).
With that, I cable tied the new ground wire in place and wound black tape
around the connections to keep dirt out, put all my tools away and climbed
back into the truck - fully confident of having brakes again.
The brakes have functioned flawlessly since (even going over railroad tracks
and into mall parking lots). Time on task for this job? 15 minutes. And none
of that was wasted trying to find the culprit ground connection.
Was this solution a matter of simple logic or a lucky guess? I think it was
because my high school physics teacher badgered us to find obvious answers
to simple problems even when they looked like complex puzzles.
Terry
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:14:36 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
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Of all the Airstream models the Ambassador seems to be the least known ab=
out or owned.
Does any one have an idea as to how many there are?
Most of the people I've met with Airstreams are only familiar with the Ba=
mbi's, TradeWinds, Sovereign's, and Excella's.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: Daisy Welch
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
=20
Yipee, two or three more and we can have an intra club !
Daisy
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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Of all the Air=
stream models the Ambassador seems to be the least known about&=
nbsp;or owned.</DIV> <DIV>Does any one have an idea as to how m=
any there are?</DIV> <DIV>Most of the people I've met with Airstreams are=
only familiar with the Bambi's, TradeWinds, Sovereign's, and Excella's.<=
/DIV> <DIV> Bobby</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PAD=
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RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----=
</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"=
><B>From:</B> Daisy Welch</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:<=
/B> Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:45 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ar=
ial"><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: =
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:17:45 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
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Sure. It's : [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Wright
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:48 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
=20
Bobby I know nothing about this site so I'm not sure how to send you pics=
. I don't even know if this is the right way to respond. Please send me=
your email address.
Melissa
----- Original Message ----- =20
From: Robert Gill =20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList =20
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:52 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
Melissa
I too, have a '73 Ambassador (rear twin). It's insured for 10K.
Daisy has a '73 Ambassador too. So now that makes three Ambassador owners=
that I know of.
Would love to see photos when you have a chance.
=20
Bobby Gill
'66 Ambassador (Rear Bath)
'73 Ambassador (rear twin) =20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 7:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
=20
Melissa,
Unless you feel you purchased the trailer way below market value, I would
suggest that what you paid for it would be reasonable amount to insure it
for.
PS, please send messages in plain text.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: [VAC] Just bought a 1973 Airstream
> Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D
> Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they asked =3D
> how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. Could=
=3D
> someone please tell me what amount I should insure it for?
> Thanks!
> Hughie and Melissa
>
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2001 9:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] =
Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Melissa</DIV>=
<DIV>I too, have a '73 Ambassador (rear twin). It's insured for 10K.</DI=
V> <DIV>Daisy has a '73 Ambassador too. So now that makes three Ambassado=
r owners that I know of.</DIV> <DIV>Would love to see photos when you hav=
e a chance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bobby Gill</DIV> <DIV>'66 Ambass=
ador (Rear Bath)</DIV> <DIV>'73 Ambassador (rear twin) </DIV> <DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; M=
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tt Scheuermann</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday,=
December 07, 2001 7:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</=
B> Multiple recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><=
B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream</DIV> <DIV> </=
DIV>Melissa,<BR><BR>Unless you feel you purchased the trailer way below m=
arket value, I would<BR>suggest that what you paid for it would be reason=
able amount to insure it<BR>for.<BR><BR>PS, please send messages in plain=
text.<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Melissa=
Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>To: "Multiple recipients of VACLi=
st" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:13=
PM<BR>Subject: [VAC] Just bought a 1973 Airstream<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Co=
uld someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D<BR=
>> Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today an=
d they asked =3D<BR>> how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's=
in excellent shape. Could =3D<BR>> someone please tell me=
what amount I should insure it for?<BR>> Thanks!<BR>> Hughie and M=
elissa<BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe or change to a daily=
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:27:24 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
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I have a '66 and a '73 Airstream. After doing work on both of them, I hav=
e found that a lot of the repair techniques are pretty much the same. I u=
sed information to do my first floor repair from someone who did the same=
thing on a '62 and a '64. Separating into a pre '66 chat would eliminate=
valuable advise and information that can be applied to all Airstreams, n=
ot just one group as saying '58 - '66 or '67 - 72 ect... I've found even =
the wiring info on other units to apply to both the '66 and '73. The bigg=
est difference in the various models that I've seen are the shape and pla=
cement of the holding tanks. =20
Bobby
'66 and '73 Ambassador
=20
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:34 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] What's VINTAGE
=20
How about a pre-1966 chat? We seem to be getting into a lot of newer (VA=
C)
units.
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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>I have a '66 a=
nd a '73 Airstream. After doing work on both of them, I have found t=
hat a lot of the repair techniques are pretty much the same. I used infor=
mation to do my first floor repair from someone who did the same thing on=
a '62 and a '64. Separating into a pre '66 chat would eliminate valuable=
advise and information that can be applied to all Airstreams, not just o=
ne group as saying '58 - '66 or '67 - 72 ect... I've found even=
the wiring info on other units to apply to both the '66 and '73. The big=
gest difference in the various models that I've seen are the shape and pl=
acement of the holding tanks. </DIV> <DIV> Bobby</DIV> <D=
IV> '66 and '73 Ambassador</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE styl=
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ts of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC]=
What's VINTAGE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>How about a pre-1966 chat? W=
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:30:47 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ambassador value
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Hughie and Melissa
I have my '73 Ambassador insured for $10,000.00 but I think it's priceles=
s.
Bobby =20
=20
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From: harriswest
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Ambassador value
=20
> > Could someone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D
> > Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today and they asked=
=3D
> > how much is it worth. I have no idea. It's in excellent shape. Cou=
ld =3D
> > someone please tell me what amount I should insure it for?
> > Thanks!
> > Hughie and Melissa
As far as the insurance folks are concerned, what you paid is all they
need to know. There is no "blue book value" for a nearly thirty year
old rig. By the time they reach that venerability they can range from
priceless to worthless.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
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issa</DIV> <DIV>I have my '73 Ambassador insured for $10,000.00 but I thi=
nk it's priceless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bobby </DIV> <DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MA=
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"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> harris=
west</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December =
07, 2001 10:45 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> Multip=
le recipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject=
:</B> [VAC] Ambassador value</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR>> > Could s=
omeone please help us? We just bought a 1973 Ambassador =3D<BR>>=
> Airstream. We paid $4,600. I went to insure it today an=
d they asked =3D<BR>> > how much is it worth. I have no idea.=
It's in excellent shape. Could =3D<BR>> > someone plea=
se tell me what amount I should insure it for?<BR>> > Thanks!<BR>&g=
t; > Hughie and Melissa<BR><BR>As far as the insurance folks are conce=
rned, what you paid is all they<BR>need to know. There is no "blue =
book value" for a nearly thirty year<BR>old rig. By the time they r=
each that venerability they can range from<BR>priceless to worthless.<BR>=
--<BR>Mike Harris<BR>Austin, TX<BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe or change t=
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:57:10 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
I temporarily disabled my norton and took a few yahoo cookies so that I
could see the file , WOW , that is beautifull , Jim , you have made the
albatross a real "Land Yacht " .I`m inspired . Now if I could only get
the yahoo groups to realize that my alternate address would like to
remove my pictures from my files to make room for more of everyone
elses..
Chris 64 overlander , which now needs parquetry ...
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:34:00 -0800
From: Patrick Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 4x4 vs 2 Wheel
Over many years I've towed many different types and sizes of trailers
with many different tow rigs. The obvious question seems to be "just
what are the needs"?
For myself for many years my Suburban with 2 wheel drive meets my
requirements. It has a limited slip differential, and this makes a world
of difference. When the 40 gallon fuel tank is full and with the tongue
weight of the trailer it has great traction. When solo in snow I place
extra weight in the back. I've gotten into some pretty slick places with
even a trailer hooked on.
One such place was an event in early spring that was held in a large
meadow. Over several days of very hard rain and many vehicles going to &
fro the "roadway" became so thick and slimy with deep muddy goo that
they brought in a four wheel drive tractor to pull vehicles in and out.
In fact the tractor even would get stuck as the operator didn't have
much experience in operating the thing.
When it came time to depart things were a mess! ...................
However with my limited slip 2wd Suburban with Airstream in tow we made
it out under it's own power. We had quite a ways to travel as well.
My wife's car is a late model AWD Subaru Sport Wagon. The traction it
has is fantastic as it's drive system places all torque at the proper
wheels supposedly at all times. (So far so good.) If one wheel starts to
lose traction the computerized braking system will apply brakes to that
wheel so the power will go to the other wheels. So far in 37,000 miles
it has been trouble free. Time will tell for just how long.
Personally I feel that most folks could get by just fine with 2wd and
the less cost and maintainence that go along with. However there are
definately those few that a true 4wd truck is the most appropriate for
their needs. For those that fall in between consider a 2wd with a
limited slip differential. This combo has done very well for me on
several different trucks. On the Suburban at 190,000 miles I've had no
transmission or differential troubles. I do have a good transmission
cooler and change fluids when needed.
All of you, ................ where ever you may be this holiday season,
................ Have a great Christmas & New Years!
Pat
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:46:16 -0800
From: Patrick Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comment on Towing (sorry.. it's late after a full day)
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> Jim,
>
Excellent comments. I, too, get concerned with all the poor &
inexperienced drivers that are out there. Another reason to have a more
that just "adequate" tow rig.
Pat
>
> Sorry to sound so rancid, but I am getting ready to head out
> for a couple
> of months and am worrying about who will be out there with
> me... The big
> boys don't scare me much... it's the ones that want to pull
> it with a
> bicycle just because that's what they usually ride and they
> think it looks
> cool....
>
> My apologies for venting... Jim
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> Jim Clark
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<br>Sorry to sound so rancid, but I am getting ready to head out for a
couple
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big
<br>boys don't scare me much... it's the ones that want to pull it with
a
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looks
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:38:02 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
At 11:14 AM 12/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Of all the Airstream models the Ambassador seems to be the least known
>about or owned.
>Does any one have an idea as to how many there are?
I don't know how many were mfd, but I've seen a number of them at
Top O'Georgia Airstream park.
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:42:34 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 4x4 vs 2 Wheel
At 11:34 AM 12/9/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>[snip]
>One such place was an event in early spring that was held in a large
>meadow. Over several days of very hard rain and many vehicles going to &
>fro the "roadway" became so thick and slimy with deep muddy goo that
>they brought in a four wheel drive tractor to pull vehicles in and out.
>In fact the tractor even would get stuck as the operator didn't have
>much experience in operating the thing.
>
>When it came time to depart things were a mess! ...................
>However with my limited slip 2wd Suburban with Airstream in tow we made
>it out under it's own power. We had quite a ways to travel as well.
[snip]
Hi, Pat:
Thanks for your story. We had a 2WD Suburban w/o limited-slip
diff at the Tulip-Stem Festival last year (2000), and got stuck in the
mud. We now have a 2WD Suburban with limited-slip diff; it's good to know
that we can expect it to work for us.
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:40:03 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
At 11:57 12/09/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I temporarily disabled my norton and took a few yahoo cookies so that I
>could see the file , WOW , that is beautifull , Jim , you have made the
>albatross a real "Land Yacht " .I`m inspired . Now if I could only get
>the yahoo groups to realize that my alternate address would like to
>remove my pictures from my files to make room for more of everyone
>elses..
>Chris 64 overlander , which now needs parquetry ...
.
Gee, I tried to view these pictures of Jim's work, Yahoo wouldn't let me
in without a user name and password... Is there some other way to get
to see them ? Another site like the VAC site ? hint - hint!!!
From the sounds of the description, I am very interested in seeing what
Jim has done. I am out here in boat country (Cape Cod) and am always
looking for ideas to add to my '64 Ambassador...
Happy Holidaze Everyone!!!
Mitch Hill - WA1YKN
'64 Ambassador International...
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:56:23 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
Where did you see Jim Smith's 64 Overlander?
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Chris Elliott wrote:
> I temporarily disabled my norton and took a few yahoo cookies so that I
> could see the file , WOW , that is beautifull , Jim , you have made the
> albatross a real "Land Yacht " .I`m inspired . Now if I could only get
> the yahoo groups to realize that my alternate address would like to
> remove my pictures from my files to make room for more of everyone
> elses..
> Chris 64 overlander , which now needs parquetry ...
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:09:10 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just bought a 1973 Airstream
At 11:14 12/09/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Of all the Airstream models the Ambassador seems to be the least known
>about or owned.
>Does any one have an idea as to how many there are?
.
If any one out there is keeping score, I can account for one Ambassador
1964 International model twin, pretty much all original still with the
exception
of the furnace and hotwater heater. I have replaced these with Suburban
NT34SP and SW10DE, the original refrigerator was replaced by a previous
owner. I suspect soon I will be replacing the PAR water pump (model 4800)
with a newer 5800, at this point I am waiting for spring to see if the old
pump
is going to survive another winter and run for another season. Also, I have
replaced the old split rims (safety) with Dexter wheels and radial tires.
In the spring, new curtains and possibly some Minwax oil stain, followed
by Watco Danish Oil on the cabinets when the weather warms up. Some
of the wood work is becoming faded lighter than the rest. For example, the
four drawers under the front gaucho, one is about three shades lighter then
the other three...
Mitch Hill - WA1YKN
'64 Ambassador International...
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