VACList-Digest Monday, December 10, 2001 Issue 146
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Draining Water Heater for Winter
2. Re: What's VINTAGE
3. Vintage camper classified site
4. How to remove stove cover?
5. Re: Simple logic or lucky guess?/Sentinel lockup..
6. Conical Jack Stand
7. Top o Georgia
8. Re: Top o Georgia
9. Re: Top o Georgia
10. Top o Georgia
11. Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
12. grey water storage
13. Shochs for Tow Vehicle
14. Re:
15. Rally Time
16. 12 V Light Fixtures
17. Re: 12 V Light Fixtures
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:07:27 -0700
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Draining Water Heater for Winter
Scott Scheuermann wrote:
> Dana,
>
> To drain your hot water heater open up the exterior access door. There
> should be a largeish looking drain bolt. Ours looks as if it is made of
> plastic. I would highly recomend after draining the entire system that you
> blow out the lines with clean compressed air to get the remaining water
> out...you will be suprised. Also do not forget about the drain traps and
> water filter!
>
> Scott
>
If you have access to clean compressed air, it is better to blow the water out
of the water heater rather than simply let it drain. By blowing it out the
bubbling action scavanges the mineral deposits in the bottom of the tank. Helps
extend the life of the tank.
Charlie
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:52:45 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's VINTAGE
Maybe someone can answer a lingering question I have. Since I missed
having a grey water tank by a year, I wonder if the location of the grey
water tank on a 74 ambassador rear double would give me any ideas about
where I might sneak one it. The blue bomber is a drag.
Daisy
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:06:28 -0600
From: John Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vintage camper classified site
I found www.vintagecampers.com with several old Airstreams for sale.
John
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:12:18 -0800
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to remove stove cover?
The stove cover on my '71 Safari is bent and does not close right. I think
it is a magic chef.
Can someone describe how to remove the cover? I cannot figure it out.
Thanks
-Tim
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:42:43 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple logic or lucky guess?/Sentinel lockup..
Nice work, I checked my misc bag and I don't have the tap on type of
connector I think you used... I am thinking of a brass U with a matching
nut that clamps two or more wires together... I have some big ones in the
shop, but nothing small enough to work on a couple of 10' or 12s...
Ace will sell me a few I am sure....I may be thinking of the wrong
connector, but if
they have something else, I will get that too....
Has everyone read the item on Tekonsha Sentinel Brake controller locking
up on low voltage??? looks good but no current to brakes.... fix is remove
power and the unit resets....recently reported and I can't remember where I
saw it....Why it doesn't reset itself when the voltage comes back will be
something for the mfg. to explain....something in their electronics must
not like low voltage...The only reason I remember the item is I use that
controller....
Jim
At 12:33 AM 12/09/2001 -0500, Terry Tyler wrote:
>Hi Airstreamers,
>
>Here's one for those of you who haven't been there, done that --- yet.
>
>The brakes on our Airstream worked fine for the last two months and 2500
>miles. Two weeks ago, they didn't work at all after going over a set of
>rail road tracks. By the time I had pulled off the highway to check them,
>they were working perfectly.
>
>Several days ago, the brakes were working fine until we pulled into a
>shopping mall parking lot. Suddenly, no brakes. Again, I checked all the
>wire connections. In the process, I touched and moved wires in dozens of
>places. None showed any indication of not being exactly as I had intended.
>When I got back in the truck and moved the Airstream, we had brakes again.
>
>Based on these two experiences and rightly or wrongly, I decided there was a
>transient problem with the ground. That meant I could look for it and check
>again and probably check again - and not find the place where the ground was
>almost established but neither was it noticeably loose.
>
>Instead of playing cat and mouse, I chose to locate the bundled brake wire
>(blue) and ground wire (white) under the Airstream where it fed the junction
>box.
>
>After opening the bundle (by cutting it back two inches), I peeled the white
>casing down to bare wire (with my leatherman micra), attached another white
>wire (from my "stash") to it with a butt connector (everyone carries a box
>of those), unraveled enough white wire to reach the support frame for the
>water tank, attached a circular connector (a dozen of these last a long
>time) to the end of that wire and then, with a self tapping hex head screw
>(same ones I used to connect my BAL jacks to the frame) going through the
>circular connector, I drilled it into the frame (with my Makita 14.4 volt
>portable drill), thereby establishing a new ground (undeniable).
>
>With that, I cable tied the new ground wire in place and wound black tape
>around the connections to keep dirt out, put all my tools away and climbed
>back into the truck - fully confident of having brakes again.
>
>The brakes have functioned flawlessly since (even going over railroad tracks
>and into mall parking lots). Time on task for this job? 15 minutes. And none
>of that was wasted trying to find the culprit ground connection.
>
>Was this solution a matter of simple logic or a lucky guess? I think it was
>because my high school physics teacher badgered us to find obvious answers
>to simple problems even when they looked like complex puzzles.
>
>Terry
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:46:32 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Conical Jack Stand
Some time ago, someone was looking for a conical jack stand to get their
jack up a little higher...
Frank Rowe has one of the cast aluminum stands for sale on
AirstreamAssistance ( a Yahoo Group..)
Jim Clark
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:02:52 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Top o Georgia
Hey Folks -
Trying to glean some info about Top o' Georgia.
Where in the world is it?
I've had no luck finding anything about it either in Woodall's or on the web.
I'm told it's "near Helena, GA" Can anyone be more specific? How about
contact info?
Is it an "Airstream" Park?
Some parks such as Port of Call in Melbourne, Fla. are/were Airstream
exclusive, or at least favored by Airstreamers.
While I'm at it, what are some other well known "Airstream Land Yacht
Harbors" ?
I'm looking more for names and contact info. Rates and services I'll find out
later.
Thanks in Advance
Alex In Indiana
66 Safari & Overlander
#8728
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:18:26 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Top o Georgia
In a message dated 12/10/01 9:07:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Trying to glean some info about Top o' Georgia.
Where in the world is it?
I've had no luck finding anything about it either in Woodall's or on the
web.
I'm told it's "near Helena, GA" Can anyone be more specific? How about
contact info?
>>
Alex,
Top of GA is an Airstream only park in Helen, GA. It is in a very pretty
north GA mtn location just below the NC border. The phone number is
706-878-3590.
John -- Atlanta -- 77 Excella
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:33:12 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top o Georgia
Alex, go to www.topofga.org for more information on Top of Georgia.
Unfortunately, the site has not been updated in quite some time.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
Atlanta
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:02
Subject: [VAC] Top o Georgia
> Hey Folks -
> Trying to glean some info about Top o' Georgia.
>
> Where in the world is it?
> I've had no luck finding anything about it either in Woodall's or on the
web.
> I'm told it's "near Helena, GA" Can anyone be more specific? How about
> contact info?
>
> Is it an "Airstream" Park?
> Some parks such as Port of Call in Melbourne, Fla. are/were Airstream
> exclusive, or at least favored by Airstreamers.
>
> While I'm at it, what are some other well known "Airstream Land Yacht
> Harbors" ?
> I'm looking more for names and contact info. Rates and services I'll find
out
> later.
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Alex In Indiana
> 66 Safari & Overlander
> #8728
>
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:14:36 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Top o Georgia
HI:
At 08:02 AM 12/10/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Folks -
>Trying to glean some info about Top o' Georgia.
>
>Where in the world is it?
>I've had no luck finding anything about it either in Woodall's or on the web.
>I'm told it's "near Helena, GA" Can anyone be more specific? How about
>contact info?
There is some information on the web at
http://www.topofga.org/
Top O'Georgia is an Airstream-only park about 7 miles north of
Helen, GA, on GA SR 75/17 (I measured 4.5 miles from the intersection of GA
75 Alternate and Ga 75/17, which is about 2 miles north of Helen). Lots
are not leased or sold at this park - it's strictly a first-come,
first-served park in the north GA mountains. It's the winter season now,
so only the upper part of the park (maybe 10-20 sites all told) is open,
but that's a nice part anyhow, and sites have always been available there
in the past. Rates are $8/night ($6/night for regular members of any
Georgia unit of WBCCI).
If you're not a member of WBCCI, but have an AS trailer, you can
roost there for one night (free, I'm told), and the host will give you
membership information. If you join, then you can remain at thepublished
rate/night. I think the current hosts are Dick and Pat Norsworthy, a very
nice couple; there are co-hosts during the winter, but I don't recall their
name).
If you need more information, feel free to contact me off list.
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:29:28 -0500
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jim Smith's work of art.
At 11:40 PM 12/9/01 +0000, you wrote:
>At 11:57 12/09/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>I temporarily disabled my norton and took a few yahoo cookies so that I
>>could see the file , WOW , that is beautifull , Jim , you have made the
>>albatross a real "Land Yacht " .I`m inspired . Now if I could only get
>>the yahoo groups to realize that my alternate address would like to
>>remove my pictures from my files to make room for more of everyone
>>elses..
>>Chris 64 overlander , which now needs parquetry ...
>.
>
>Gee, I tried to view these pictures of Jim's work, Yahoo wouldn't let me
>in without a user name and password... Is there some other way to get
>to see them ? Another site like the VAC site ? hint - hint!!!
You can create your own account on yahoo to view the pics.
Dave
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Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:19:29 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: grey water storage
on 12/09/01 9:52 PM, Daisy Welch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>The blue bomber is a drag.
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Hi Daisy,
Every family is different, I know that. Our choice of which size blue bomber
to buy was originally decided by the size of the compartment where I would
store it when not using it (sometimes my logic is illogical).
This purchase occurred during the era when a bucket with a hole in the
bottom was the norm. The blue bomber was used in cases where the bucket
would be entirely unacceptable (rally parking on macadam or at rally parking
where the adjacent RV was a mere awning's width away).
With my usual minimalist approach to spending money on things I don't think
will be used a lot, we bought the 5 gallon size. But, when parked in a
campground, both of us quickly learned it must be emptied daily and no later
than after supper. This taught us to conserve water and not use more than 5
gallons a day. The job of emptying it never seemed like a big deal to me
because the container weighs only 40 pounds.
Another thing I quickly learned was how to empty it into any rest room flush
toilet without spilling a drop. Granted, I learned the hard way, but learn I
did.
It's been fifteen years since we began using our blue bomber. The ten
minutes it takes to empty the thing has become a routine part of my regular
afternoon schedule and neither of us ever raised the question about buying a
larger size tank. The job was never a drag.
What's my point? Because it's a drag for you, I'm sure you will find a way
to add grey water storage. How many gallons of capacity you want - will be
determined by how much work or money you want to invest in the installation.
I predict 10-15 gallons will be the maximum.
You've read my postings in the past and know that I'm not gung ho for making
major changes or modifications to my Airstreams. Instead, I try for the just
noticeable difference and only for solving the most nagging inconveniences.
For example, when we added grey water storage to our1967 22' Safari, we
wanted just enough capacity to allow use of water at lunch stops in rest
areas on the Interstate without putting out the blue bomber and without
adding weight at the bumper.
To accomplish that, I installed an elbow at the grey water outlet from the
factory "direct drop through the flap" at the rear center. To that elbow, I
attached a PVC pipe which follows the bumper (inside the storage area along
with the electric cable). It comes out through the frame (welder cut the 3"
circular hole).
This routing was selected for two reasons. One was to create a grey water
holding tank (PVC 3" diameter by 3' long). The second was to have a more
convenient location for the outside cap.
By using a cap with a garden hose connector on it, I can empty the few
gallons inside the PVC pipe without spillage before leaving an Interstate
Rest Area. Unless someone is paying very close attention to me, I can drain
it into a 3 gallon paint bucket within minutes and discretely empty it
without most folks noticing what I've done.
This system works for us on most occasions. But, there are times when it is
not appropriate. I offer my ideas only as options, knowing full well that I
don't use them in certain parts of the country and at certain events. The
old standby concepts we taught out kids still apply (attention to detail,
organization with planning, and thought before action).
All of us will be interested in what you decide to do,
Terry
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:16:00 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Shochs for Tow Vehicle
I am thinking about replacing the original equipment shocks on my 1999
Suburban 1500. Any suggestions for front and back shocks. I was thinking
about the adjustable shocks for the rear with the added coil spring.
Thanks
Don Hardman
1976 31' Sovereign
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:35:15 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
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Jim
That's a great idea. I will remember that if I ever go back to a 2WD truck.
Bobby
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From: Jim Dunmyer
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:16 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re:
Bobby,
A trick that I use with my 2WD truck if: things are a bit slippery,
and/or I have to move with the truck heading "uphill" from the trailer
or the trailer going uphill from the truck. (that is, the whole rig
appears to be bending into a 'V' at the hitch)
Pop the spring bars loose and/or remove them. When the rig is as
described, the bars are trying to lift the rear wheels of the truck even
more than usual, causing a loss of traction. Removing them allows ALL of
the trailer's tongue weight to rest on the hitch, increasing traction
dramatically.
Be sure that your hitch can handle that weight, at least for a short
time. (most definitely NOT while going down the road!)
I had 4WD trucks since 1971 and came to call 2WDs "half a truck", but I
get by nicely now with my Dodge. :-)
<<Jim>>
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:55:53 +0800
From: "randy unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rally Time
RJ: We are planning another RM Rally, once again at Blue Arrow RV Park in Estes Park,
CO August 7-10, 2002. I have been unable to get ahold of them to reserve the dates,
but don't anticipate a problem. They are closed for the Winter, but I 'll keep
tryingRandy Unter
Region 11 VAC Rep.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:05:10 -0600
From: "Brad Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 12 V Light Fixtures
I am shopping for some new light fixtures for my '67 Caravel with 12 VAC
interior lighting circuit. While browsing through catalogs, I noticed that
the 12 V halogen are listed 12 VDC. Do these lamps only work on DC voltage?
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:19:08 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 12 V Light Fixtures
Halogen lamps would work fine on 12 volts AC. Not at all on 120 volts
AC. And the 12 volt fluorescents won't be happy on AC.
My '68 Caravel uses only 12 volts DC for interior lights.
Gerald J.
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