VACList DigestVACList-Digest Saturday, August 17, 2002 Issue 397
Today's Topics:
1. 3 Cheers for Andy
2. SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc..htm
3. SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc.
4. Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc..htm
5. SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc.htm
6. Re: 3 Cheers for Andy
7. Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001
8. Re: refinishing existing veneer
9. Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc..htm
10. Attitude& Wood finish
11. Re: pam Moron
12. Disc Brakes
13. Re: Trip report
14. Estes Park Rally Pictures
15. Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
16. Re: Trip report
17. Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
18. Re Attitude and the list and all that stuff :) KEEP SPEAKIN' UP!
19. Creature Comfort
20. Re: Attitude
21. Re: Estes Park Rally Pictures
22. Re: Creature Comfort
23. Re: Creature Comfort
24. Re: Creature Comfort
25. Re: Creature Comfort
26. Re: ntro/needs help
27. 1974 24' for sale
28. Re: Disc Brakes
29. 59 black water tank brass handle ?
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:02:54 -0400
From: Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3 Cheers for Andy
Barbara and I have come to the conclusion that we appreciate all the
input that Andy gives freely and willingly. Andy's advice has been a
huge help to us as we slowly, but surely, get out silver beauty ready
for next season.
If we lived close to the West Coast, we would gladly drag our Airstream
to Inland RV, and trust Andy 100%.
THANK YOU ANDY!
Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
'72 Ambassador 29'
Penguins are our Friends
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Message Number: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:39:06 -0500
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:49:46 -0700
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Subject: Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc..htm
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:04:36 -0500
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Message Number: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:09:06 -0700
From: Dennis Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3 Cheers for Andy
I second that!
Dennis
> From: Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:02:54 -0400
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC] 3 Cheers for Andy
>
> Barbara and I have come to the conclusion that we appreciate all the
> input that Andy gives freely and willingly. Andy's advice has been a
> huge help to us as we slowly, but surely, get out silver beauty ready
> for next season.
>
> If we lived close to the West Coast, we would gladly drag our Airstream
> to Inland RV, and trust Andy 100%.
>
> THANK YOU ANDY!
>
> Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
> '72 Ambassador 29'
> Penguins are our Friends
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:31:34 -0700
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001
Damn, I'll give that guy credit - he sure was persistent. Went to a lot
of trouble to get subscribed, and then kept reducing that spam message
of his until it was small enough the server wouldn't reject it. His
address is now blocked. Glad that hasn't happened before, let's hope
it's the last.
RJ
VAC Webmaster
On Friday, August 16, 2002, at 09:49 PM, Tuna wrote:
> beg pardon?
>
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> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:39 PM
> Subject: [VAC] SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision,
> Inc..htm
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Message Number: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:33:47 -0700
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refinishing existing veneer
I have some wood cabinet refinishing tips here:
http://www.airstream.org/faqs.html#interiors
Best of luck,
RJ
On Friday, August 16, 2002, at 05:48 AM, jon fitz wrote:
> What are some good materials for refinishing the
> existing veneer? My wood is sound, but the finish is
> obviously gone in some places. I don't think
> stripping should be necessary. But, a new coat of
> something is in order.
>
> Some time ago, someone posted info on a particular
> brand of finish. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it
> locally. Ideally, I would like something that can be
> wiped on with a cloth, but which is permanent (like
> the gel polyurethanes).
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated.
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:38:21 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SqWebMail - Copyright 1999-2001 Double Precision, Inc..htm
I have no idea who you are or what you are trying to send, but NEVER send
unsolicited attachments to a List.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:08:28 -0700
From: "Kathy Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Attitude& Wood finish
First I will address the attitude part. I no longer make many posts to
this site because I have felt an attitude about us more senior
Airstreamers. In my house we have a combined 60 years of experience. We
must be too dumb to be able to own A/S for that long and learn nothing?
I miss the camaraderie of the earlier days of the VAC. Let's get it back to
what was intended by some fellows who put an unmeasureable amount of time
and effort to get us this far. IMHO
As for Andy, I think he is valuable to this group.Let him keep it up. At
one time we had Charlie. What has happened to him?
When using coatings I learned a good lesson. My '61 Bambi had originally
been what was then called Limed Oak. Never my favorite but it was popular
at the time. Someone before me had put numerous coats of Varathane on
everything. Through the years it had darkened to an ugly yellow. I have
stripped, stained (winter white) and used Minwax brand water water clean up
finish because I was assured that it would not be turning yellow. The
cabinets in my house had the same problem. They look good at first then in
a year or so they can even turn orange as my birch cabinets did. Minwax
stain is wiped on then wiped off to leave a beautiful finish that shows the
natural wood grain. You only need to seal it with something to protect it.
This sounds awfully wordy but maybe you can figure it out.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:05:27 -0600
From: Robert Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pam Moron
Thanks RJ!!!
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:17:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: robert brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Disc Brakes
Does anybody have any experience with disc brakes on
trailers? Northern Tool Catalog came the other day
and the trailer parts section had loaded backing
plates for drum brakes but they also had disc brake
parts. Like a loaded backing plate only a complete
disc brake assembly. How would the be activated by a
12 volt system? Would there be a great advantage in
disc over drum as there is in automobile brakes?
What advise would you have on adjusting trailer brakes
to work in conjuction with the tow brakes. We are
pulling a 69 Caravel with an 89 Astro and the trailer
brakes want to grab prior to the puller brakes.
Adjusting the controller does not seem to make any
difference. Should the trailer brakes be adjusted so
they would be quite free?
Thanks,
Carole and Rob
69 Caravel
San Diego
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:27:44 -0600
From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
Ken, my old 1984 suburuban with a 6.5 diesel got about the same, however we
once got 14 heading for Flagstaff from Moab. I liked the diesel though, ran
it to 260,000 miles before trading. Happy trails. GAS
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From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:32 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Trip report
> Gerald - My Suburban is a 94 and I got between 10.5 and 13 mpg. The 10.5
> was towing in direct drive and when I towed in overdrive (I know your not
> supposed to )(in the flats) I got 13. I've got a 4:11 rear. This is less
> then I think I should get - I get up to 19 running free and this trailer
is
> light. Its interesting that I get the same performance towing the 5,000
> pound Tradewind. I should also note that we had a rack full of bikes on
> top of the Suburban - its amazing that I loose about 3mpg with just that.
>
> Ken Johanen
> 5358
> 59 Traveler
> 75 Tradewind
>
> At 10:39 PM 8/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Greetings Kenneth,
> >Nice note on your trip. What year diesel Sub to you have and what kind
of
> >mieleage do you get?
> >Gerald Shippen
> >66 Overlander
> >62 Globe Trotter (under restoration)
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:30 PM
> >Subject: [VAC] Trip report
> >
> >
> >> Just got back from a 4500 mile trip with our 59 Traveler from Colorado
to
> >> New Jersey shore and back and thought I would share a couple of
> >observations.
> >>
> >> The trailer was flawless - I had a couple of concerns (besides making
it)
> >> with the trailer before I left. My biggest concern was the polish
job -
> >> how it would hold up in heat/weather/rain/humitity etc etc. It did
great
> >> when I got back had some water spots on it that will come out when I do
my
> >> annual buffing. I am amazed how well the trailer holds a polish - my
once
> >> per year going over with AP-300 keeps it looking great.
> >>
> >> Second is we tow it with a 3/4 ton Suburban Diesel and was concerned
that
> >> it would be rough on the trailer - again no problems at all. We
> >> encountered lots of bumpy roads also with no problem.
> >>
> >> I'd say the biggest problem we had is my two boys who got real tired of
> >all
> >> the people who stop us to look at the trailer - For me its a great way
to
> >> meet people and talk about Airstreams - restoration and most of the
> >> questions I get is about polishing.
> >>
> >> Anyway I thought I would post this because we rarely seem to hear on
this
> >> list how these old trailers really do in everyday towing long
distances.
> >>
> >> Ken Johansen
> >> 5358
> >> 59 Traveler
> >> 75 Tradewind
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:56:46 -0600
From: "Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Estes Park Rally Pictures
Here's a link to our pictures from the recent Estes Park Rally ~
http://www.insideout-design.net/maxwell/globetrotting/estesparkvac02.html
Enjoy...we sure did!
Shari & Rob Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter "Maxwell"
#1824
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:42:51 -0400
From: soule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
Chas wrote:
Now, please -- Tell us how you stripped off the vinyl, removed
the glue especially from the
partitions and from the highly porous luan, etc. If I were
doing the job
myself, I would have thrown out all of the existing wood and
bought 1/4 and 2/4
birch and replaced everything I could have. Saved a lot of
time and just used
the originals as patterns. What was done with the tambors?
the vinyl trim
pieces?
Stripping the vinyl is easily done with a heat gun or hair
dryer, but the dealing with the glue is more difficult. Since
we were going to paint the luan, we just sanded it smooth and
patched the various defects and small holes with wood filler.
I don't know whether it is possible to remove enough of the
glue for a stain and clear finish, but sanding may be the most
effective way to do this. An open-grained wood like luan is
normally filled during the finishing process.
We removed the entire interior with the exception of the
overhead bins and the rear bath. The only luan left was on
the bathroom partition and the underside of the bins. We
removed the vinyl from both sides of each surface. After
sanding and filing, the paint looks beautiful. I replaced the
cabinets, closets and the rest of the interior with built-ins
made of baltic birch plywood and solid yellow birch. I
finished them with 3-4 coats of water-base polyurethane that
preserved the light color of the birch.
Where the replacement birch was going to be located close to
the original luan, I used the luan as a rough pattern and then
scribed to the wall. Tip: don't assume that the piece you
remove is an exact fit to the wall. I don't know whether the
factory fit was not all that close or whether the shape of the
body has changed over the years, but there were noticeable
gaps between the original luan and the walls. Plan to make
the replacement pieces a bit oversize and then scribe to the
wall for a better fit.
Gwen was in charge of painting. Because we completely removed
the interior, she was able to do the project without
obstructions. When we started, the walls and ceiling were
disgustingly filthy. We often joked that it appeared that the
trailer had been occupied full time by 6 chain smokers who ate
only fried food. She cleaned and cleaned and then cleaned
some more. Using paint thinner, detergents, something called
"Carpenter's Solvent" and finally alcohol, she was able to
remove the sticky mess from the vinyl and get the latex paint
to adhere well. It's likely that some of the A/S painting
horror stories you hear are caused by inadequate surface
cleaning. She carefully applied the paint using rollers and
got a nice, uniform finish. After about 14 months and
10,000+ miles, the paint is still holding up well.
Tip from Gwen: if you paint the walls and ceiling, don't use
paint with a finish that's too glossy. High gloss paint in a
small space it just not attractive and every imperfection will
be highlighted. It's just not true that you need a high gloss
or semi-gloss paint in order to be able to wash it. She
choose a Benjamin Moore color called 'bone' with an 'eggshell'
finish and it seems to be just right. The one place where the
paint bonded less securely is on anodized aluminum. The paint
there is adhered adequately, but it scratches pretty easily
right down to the aluminum. In the time since we did the
painting, we discovered a product called Bulls Eye 1-2-3
primer sealer made by William Zinsser & Co. This is a
water-base product that has a reputation of bonding to almost
any surface. If I were going to do the job today, I would
definitely test this as a primer.
The redesigned interior has most of the tambour replaced with
lightweight frame-and-panel birch doors. The only tambour
remaining is in the overhead bins, and it is in good shape.
Gwen did the same thorough cleaning of the tambour and then
painted it the same color as the walls, using an artist's
brush to get into the small spaces between the individual
slats. It looks beautiful. I removed the padded,
vinyl-covered end caps from the overhead bins and replaced
them with pieces of 1/4" birch plywood covered with cork
tiles. They look nice and can double as a bulletin boards
when needed.
Lincoln Soule
'77 Tradewind
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:48:03 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
Gerald, wasn't the 84 a 6.2 - non turbo? Boy I hope I get 260,000 out of
mine - its got 87,000 miles on it now and I keep it in perfect condition.
I'm concerned about running it constantly at 2700 RPM in direct drive, but
thats what I have to do to maintian 60mph. Do you know what RPM you ran
yours at towing - my manuel says not to tow anything in overdrive. However
in direct drive I could tow either trailers strait up a mountain side and
engine/transmission would not know it - thats the great part.
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
At 11:27 PM 8/16/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Ken, my old 1984 suburuban with a 6.5 diesel got about the same, however we
>once got 14 heading for Flagstaff from Moab. I liked the diesel though, ran
>it to 260,000 miles before trading. Happy trails. GAS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:32 AM
>Subject: [VAC] Re: Trip report
>
>
>> Gerald - My Suburban is a 94 and I got between 10.5 and 13 mpg. The 10.5
>> was towing in direct drive and when I towed in overdrive (I know your not
>> supposed to )(in the flats) I got 13. I've got a 4:11 rear. This is less
>> then I think I should get - I get up to 19 running free and this trailer
>is
>> light. Its interesting that I get the same performance towing the 5,000
>> pound Tradewind. I should also note that we had a rack full of bikes on
>> top of the Suburban - its amazing that I loose about 3mpg with just that.
>>
>> Ken Johanen
>> 5358
>> 59 Traveler
>> 75 Tradewind
>>
>> At 10:39 PM 8/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >Greetings Kenneth,
>> >Nice note on your trip. What year diesel Sub to you have and what kind
>of
>> >mieleage do you get?
>> >Gerald Shippen
>> >66 Overlander
>> >62 Globe Trotter (under restoration)
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:30 PM
>> >Subject: [VAC] Trip report
>> >
>> >
>> >> Just got back from a 4500 mile trip with our 59 Traveler from Colorado
>to
>> >> New Jersey shore and back and thought I would share a couple of
>> >observations.
>> >>
>> >> The trailer was flawless - I had a couple of concerns (besides making
>it)
>> >> with the trailer before I left. My biggest concern was the polish
>job -
>> >> how it would hold up in heat/weather/rain/humitity etc etc. It did
>great
>> >> when I got back had some water spots on it that will come out when I do
>my
>> >> annual buffing. I am amazed how well the trailer holds a polish - my
>once
>> >> per year going over with AP-300 keeps it looking great.
>> >>
>> >> Second is we tow it with a 3/4 ton Suburban Diesel and was concerned
>that
>> >> it would be rough on the trailer - again no problems at all. We
>> >> encountered lots of bumpy roads also with no problem.
>> >>
>> >> I'd say the biggest problem we had is my two boys who got real tired of
>> >all
>> >> the people who stop us to look at the trailer - For me its a great way
>to
>> >> meet people and talk about Airstreams - restoration and most of the
>> >> questions I get is about polishing.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway I thought I would post this because we rarely seem to hear on
>this
>> >> list how these old trailers really do in everyday towing long
>distances.
>> >>
>> >> Ken Johansen
>> >> 5358
>> >> 59 Traveler
>> >> 75 Tradewind
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:03:48 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:42:51 -0400, soule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The redesigned interior has most of the tambour replaced with
> lightweight frame-and-panel birch doors. The only tambour
> remaining is in the overhead bins, and it is in good shape.
> Gwen did the same thorough cleaning of the tambour and then
> painted it the same color as the walls, using an artist's
> brush to get into the small spaces between the individual
> slats. It looks beautiful. I removed the padded,
> vinyl-covered end caps from the overhead bins and replaced
> them with pieces of 1/4" birch plywood covered with cork
> tiles. They look nice and can double as a bulletin boards
> when needed.
>
Lincoln
There are a BUNCH of us on this list with 70s trailers, mine is really a longer
version of yours. would you send along some pictures if you have any and I will
put them in a gallery and send the url to the list if you wish. or, if you have
them on a website now, please let us know. I would really like to see what you
did.
thanks for the 'splanations...
cheers
chas
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Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
www.schuetzen.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 18
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:18:28 -0700
From: "Willy Henshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re Attitude and the list and all that stuff :) KEEP SPEAKIN' UP!
Another 2c...really hope you folk don't mind me sayin' this from a
relatively new VAC reader (since Feb this year)
I have run many mail lists in my day job since 1994 and there is a
similar issue every so often in every list I have run, big several
thousand folk lists and small 50 folk lists the same....
You know my experience has been that list topics come and go. Folk get
interested in one thing then another. Main thing is that the central
topic is mostly kept to.
The VAC list has always followed this notion pretty well. AS trailers 25
years and older, right? Lots of stuff to discuss there! Funny stuff,
techincal stuff, buying advice stuff, camp site stuff, rebuilding stuff
etc etc
Let's not overly worry too much about the attitude stuff, it will ebb
and flow just like humans do. If we try and change, try to moderate or
control topics the danger is that we stop open conversation. People get
worried that they will "offend" someone and stop talking straight.
Cliques start up and lists can split. That we don't want...one list is
good.
Eventually it all comes out in the wash. Subject matter will come back
to the main interest, I know it can be a pain in the b**t to have to
sort through loads of silly messages, but the upside is that we have
some super knowledgeable and entertaining people who live here! I
personally relish reading the funny quirky stuff from you people. YOU
ROCK!
The main thing is that the list is still alive. A public place to meet,
converse and discuss, learn and share with a common interest.
I have had some invaluable knowledge from folk via this list, and have
been able to help a few myself in return.
Last thing - re Andy from Inland - sure he always has a business agenda,
that's natural, but he is is as obsessed as the rest of us about the
silver love subs. You know what? His advice is often truly golden, and
can be read for free. We don't have to buy anything from him if we don't
want to. You can take his advice and go get fixed up where ever you
like. In the commercial business world we pay consultants 200 bucks an
hour for that kind of knowledge.
SPEAK UP EVERYONE!
Very best to all and keep on polishing...
Will Henshall
San Francisco
WBCC #8048
58 18ft Traveler
89 345LE MH
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:05:03 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Creature Comfort
Here's the plan. I love my 1976 Airstream and ever since I got it over two
years ago I have been trying to refurbish it. This project started the day I
drove it home to Houston from Dallas TX. After I parked it in the driveway I
took off the rose colored glasses and found out this baby needed a lot more
work than I had at first though when I was writing the check for it. Oh
well, my wife and I gutted it, cleaned it up, replaced all of the plumbing,
put in wood floors, new drapes, stripped the outside, new tires, brakes,
running lights, fantastic vent and much more. Well today it looks pretty
good and is in top mechanical shape. I am proud to take it anywhere.
Now to certain creature comforts. The front couch has been completely
rebuilt with new covering and it looks terrific. But, this is the most
uncomfortable thing I have ever sit on, much less try to sleep on. So We
have decided it must go. My plans are to install two smaller version wall
away recliners.
Has anyone done this. Comments, thanks
Don Hardman
1976 31" Sovereign
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:07:13 -0800
From: "Yosef P. Rosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
While a wise voice in me said to stay silent, I couldn't resist adding a
positive spin to this thread from the very perspective of an actual
"newbie".
I am a new Airstream owner (my first one) I am excited and very much in love
with my Globetrotter. But in just a few months, I have found that owning an
Airstream is far more than owning the object -I found that the research, the
community I am still discovering, the quirkiness of the carriage as well as
the owners, the comradery, the many, many decades of experience and
character- are all swirling together into what is for me a definitively
pleasurable slice of my life.
I love the VAC list (I've only done 2 postings so far) as it has
consistently yielded fresh, stimulating voices to my research. I actually
brag about how cool this particular web forum is to my friends, and I own a
software company, so I've seen my share of them.
As any moderately intelligent consumer, yes, I have noted Mr. Rogozinski's
place of work, and yet have admired how *little* self-endorsement actually
takes place. For me, it is precisely people like Andy that make the list so
valuable -people who have focused a lifetime on something as obscure as a
retro trailer. In this manner, ANY advice he gives, even if it may turn out
to be conservative at times, is valuable to hear. One of the greatest
things about 'advice' is that you can take it or leave it, but either way
you can measure it and learn from it. In this manner the VAC list, with ALL
of its family members, is a wonderful treasure.
Even this very debate feels like a beautiful family argument that at its
root reveals only concern for the family from every contributing member.
I just wanted you all to know that as a newcomer to the VAC list and to the
Airstream community, after witnessing some dirty laundry I'm not put off in
any way, and in fact am very appreciative to be here! You guys are awesome!
Thanks,
Yosef
1967 20' Globetrotter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Waldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
As a "lurker" I have to agree with Sissy. My concern
is for any newbies.
Karen
WDCU
WBCCI #8440
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:17:55 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Estes Park Rally Pictures
Wow! Super pics at a super rally site. Thanks.
- Dick
(5368)
At 02:56 AM 8/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Here's a link to our pictures from the recent Estes Park Rally ~
>
>http://www.insideout-design.net/maxwell/globetrotting/estesparkvac02.html
>
>Enjoy...we sure did!
>
>Shari & Rob Davis
>'64 GlobeTrotter "Maxwell"
>#1824
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Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:07:23 -0700
From: James Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creature Comfort
At 10:05 AM 8/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Now to certain creature comforts. The front couch has been completely
>rebuilt with new covering and it looks terrific. But, this is the most
>uncomfortable thing I have ever sit on, much less try to sleep on. So We
>have decided it must go. My plans are to install two smaller version wall
>away recliners.
>
>Has anyone done this. Comments, thanks
>
>Don Hardman
>1976 31" Sovereign
Don:
We went through the same issue with our 78 Safari... I tried to sleep on
one of the "higher priced" recliner deck chairs and managed about 1/2
nights sleep for each of the nights attempted... We kicked around several
plans that would replace the fold out unit with bench beds, but never quite
came up with a satisfactory plan... We purchased a 32' with a bed in the
back and answered a lot of the problems... We still have the 23' and are
still thinking about what to do to solve the sleeping issue...maybe one of
the new Flexsteel fold out units that I see in Camping World... We did a
lot of work on the little trailer and are having a lot of anguish over
parting with it... we thought we would use the little one for short trips
and the big for "Winter getaway"... so far the small one just sits...
It's more difficult to resolve than first seemed... You almost have to
sleep on what ever you are considering for several days before you can be
sure you won't wake up with a sore back or some other issue....My old
recliner at home always had me sleeping after a few pages of the paper, or
half a movie etc.. although that was after a full days work .
Spend some time in whatever you think you are going to go with.....if it's
a recliner chair, get one on a 10 day trial and move it into the house...
sleep on it for a week and then decide....
Jim
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:29:55 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creature Comfort
My dad added 2" foam pads enclosed in terry cloth to the beds in my
Caravel. Sleeps quite well, better than the bed at home.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:58:13 EDT
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Subject: Re: Creature Comfort
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In the (silver Abaltross) I replaced the tourture racks with a pare of"jack
knife'' sofa beds that I built the front sofa is confortable to set on and
will open to a 36in wide bed the double pull out bed had 2 cushens that
always had one of us falling between the mattresses I replaced it with a
similar sofa bed it now opens to 45in wide. I bought the hinges from Rocker
hardware they are pricey at aprox$50. per pair. the frames were made from 1in
oak withinset plywood pannels The foam I chose is a blue 4in foam called I
believe comfort foam it is the stuff the mattress that they throw eggs at
inthe commercial. when sittingon or sleeping onit I cammot feel the bords
beneath it. it is like a exry tirm mattress. the finished product was sent
out to an upholster to be upholstered in red velvet.
It took a great deal of planning and trial fitting to pullthis off and was
not the cheepest solution but for me it was the best that I could come up
with. we just returned from a 4 month trip and we slep in comfort each nite .
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind double(The Silver Abaltross)
1992 dodge cummins diesel
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and It took a great deal of planning and trial fitting to pullthis off and was not the
cheepest solution but for me it was the best that I could come up with. we just
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:37:04 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creature Comfort
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:05:03 -0500, "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>Now to certain creature comforts. The front couch has been completely
>rebuilt with new covering and it looks terrific. But, this is the most
>uncomfortable thing I have ever sit on, much less try to sleep on. So We
>have decided it must go. My plans are to install two smaller version wall
>away recliners.
you never know when you are going to have company whether family or whatever.
try to buy the recliners you can turn into single beds. also, obviously, you
lose the set of drawers under the guacho. That is whre I keep the "ship's log",
manual, etc also the tongue lock and crank handle, fuses, etc. Wife gets to
have one for her stuff.
fwiw
chas
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Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
www.schuetzen.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:55:34 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ntro/needs help
First I want to say Hi and I really enjoy reading this list...
I happen to think some spice makes a list interesting. One with no
controversy gets old and dies fast. I love hearing interesting opinions
even if I don't agree...I've been known to change my mind!!!
We have owned an airstream, '67 22' Safari, 8 days now and learn something
new each time we take something else apart and we are down to the nuts and
bolts now. This was our plan. We wanted to get one to gut and redo.
We saw some rust on the back bumper area and with closer inspection, and
today, removing the belly pan we found the pan that holds the holding tank
about rusted away. But we did find that the rust stopped there and that the
rest of the frame looked good and the axel is good so we will deal with
that. If anyone is curious and wants to see more than you'd be intersted in
they can go to:
http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/end.htm
These pix are there so I can refer a guy I'm talking to about fixing it.
Oh...the trailer was only $300 so we expected to put something into
it....but we didn't see or feel any rot on the floor anywhere when looking
at it. My better pictures are at:
http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/dewdrop.htm
That's really not my question tho!!! I'm just whining there....thanks for
letting me get it off my chest. I can't believe how I'm getting attached to
this big ole' chunk of aluminum!!!
Todays problem is: how do we get the shower fiberglass unit off the drain
pipe? We got everything out of the bath just fine but can't figure out the
secret of getting to the drain. We have undone all the rivets and water
connections. Maybe we just have arms that are too short. Surely you
wouldn't have to remove the exterior panel would you?
I am refinishing the fiberglass units and changing the color from "urine"
yellow to capucino brown with epoxy paint and I could do it in place but it
would be easier in the workshop where the rest of the items are.
I'm sure I will have other questions but we are really impressed with how
this thing is made.
Lexxey...in GA[If I ever accidently put my website...It's just to show off
and not ever to sell... I hate spam]
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:35:38 -0700
From: Susan Altstatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 1974 24' for sale
Hello All;
Just say this. Appears to be in the Houston area.
http://www.dibit.com/ptDetail.html?543360
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Susan Altstatt
Altstatt Associates
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregory Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disc Brakes
I would be abit cautious of the capacity of the disc
brakes sold by Northern Tool, I don't see any mention
of bearing size, you'd need to know that to make sure
they matched your spindles. There is a company called
Kodiak that makes a nice looking, high rated disc
system, don't know how many$$$$. The distributor in
SoCal is Century Tire and Wheel. Actuation of the disc
used to be done on the 70's Airstreams with a
Vacuum/Hydraulic unit, not available anymore and what
parts are left are very expensive, the altenative is a
device made by the same company (AUSCO) that originaly
made the hydraulic unit, they now make a
electric/hydraulic, works off the same brake control
you now use for your electric brakes.
Technical statements claim 30%+ more braking than
electric brakes.
Greg Paulsen
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:55:07 -0400
From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 59 black water tank brass handle ?
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toilet. There is a brass handle behind the toilet on the floor which is =
connected to the black water tank. This handle rotates 360 degrees and =
also goes up and down like a pump or a plunger. It doesn't seem to do =
anything however I'm sure it was put there for a reason. Could it be =
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so possibly it is redundant. Does the whole brass housing unscrew out =
of the top of the FRP tank? I would like to clean out the tank and this =
looks like it could be great access if I can get it open.
Thanks,
Colin Hyde
57 Sovereign of the Road (rough but the restoration is coming along)
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