VACList DigestVACList-Digest Friday, August 16, 2002 Issue 396
Today's Topics:
1. Attitude
2. Trip report; Portland Oregon??
3. New Vintage Club DVD; where to buy?
4. Re: Trip report
5. VAC Airstream Caravans DVD
6. Re: Trip report
7. refinishing existing veneer
8. Re: Attitude
9. Re: refinishing existing veneer
10. Re: refinishing existing veneer
11. Re: Attitude
12. Re: Trip report
13. Re: Trip report
14. Re: Attitude
15. Re: Attitude
16. Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
17. 1971 Sovereign Hubcaps
18. Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
19. Re: Attitude
20. Re: Attitude
21. Re: Attitude
22. ttitude
23. Re: ttitude
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Message Number: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:58:19 -0400
From: "Sissy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Attitude
To the VAC members:
Is it just me, or has this list taken on a decidedly opinionated,
confrontational, competitive tone? I used to enjoy it, but now feel like
I'm on the sidelines of a "match" of some kind.
I liked it the old way...
Sissy B
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Message Number: 2
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:03:53 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trip report; Portland Oregon??
I live in Portland Oregon and after more than a year have still not found a
Airstream in my price range (Looking for lower cost fix-er-upper maybe 20
feet or so)
If any of you folks get out my way, I have two driveways and you are
welcome to pull in for the night and we can talk Airstreams. I think the
driveway might take a 30 foot Airstream. No hook ups, but I can toss you a
power cord and a hook up to the garden hose.
Close to the Interstate I5 freeway, and quiet neighborhood.
jack in Portland Oregon
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Message Number: 3
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:14:53 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Vintage Club DVD; where to buy?
Is this DVD on the web page but I just missed it? Who can I email to buy it?
Thanks!
jack
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Message Number: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:47:26 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
Sounds like a great trip and a lot of fun. Why were you worried about your
3/4 ton Suburban pulling the trailer?
Randy
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Message Number: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:14:08 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: VAC Airstream Caravans DVD
Jack:
Here is the message I posted a few weeks ago on
the new VAC DVD. It has not yet been posted on
our
web site, but read on to learn how to order it.
The Vintage Airstream Club (VAC), an intra-club
of the
Wally Byam Caravan Club International (WBCCI),
proudly
announces a new Vintage Airstream Club product,
nine old
Wally Byam Airstream Caravan movies on Digital
Video Disc
(DVD). The two disc DVD set, "Airstream Caravan
Movies on
DVD," will officially be released at the Second
Annual Rocky
Mountain Rally of the Vintage Airstream Club held
in Estes
Park, Colorado from August 7 to 10, 2002. The
price is
$40.00 for the two disc DVD set.
The title, year made, and running time in
(minutes:seconds) for each color movie in this DVD
set is:
1. Building Dreams is our Business (1968) (19:02)
2. Mexico Caravan (1956) (23:33)
3. Capetown to Cairo (1959-60) (47:57)
4. Around the World Caravan, S.E. Asia (1963-64)
(23:07)
5. Around the World Caravan, India Part I
(1963-64) (22:44)
6. Around the World Caravan, India Part II
(1963-64)(23:00)
7. Around the World Caravan, Middle East
(1963-64) (23:16)
8. Around the World Caravan, Europe (1963-64)
(23:29), and
9. Guatemala (1966) (24:53).
You no longer have to buy and restore a vintage
16 mm.
film projector and struggle with an old roll-up
movie screen
to enjoy the exciting Airstream Caravans of
yesteryear.
Experience firsthand in the comfort of your
Airstream, or at
home, 3 hours and 51 minutes of trailer travel in
the "old
days" as Wally Byam and his adventuresome band of
Caravanners conquer the world in their rugged
Airstreams.
Narration by Jose Ferrer, Vincent Price and
Ricardo
Montablan complete the period touch that whisks
you back to
the Golden Years of caravanning. All movies are
in color,
but due to the inexpensive original master film
stock used
movies 3 to 8 above, their color permanently has
shifted to
magenta (but you will enjoy them nonetheless).
The two disc DVD set is also available by mail
in the USA
for $40.00 plus $2.00 for first class postage and
packaging. U.S.A. residents may mail a check or
money order
for $42.00 payable to the "Vintage Airstream Club"
to:
Linda Moore
VAC Treasurer
131 Castle Hill Road
P.O. Box 4173
Windham, NH 03087
along with your name and mailing address. The DVD
set will
be mailed to you beginning the week of August
12th, 2002.
If you absolutely have to be the first on your
block to own
this educational DVD set, come join the VAC at our
Rocky
Mountain Rally next week and buy one in person.
We have experienced some problems getting older
Toshiba
brand computers to play similar DVD discs, but
otherwise
they seem to play well on most every DVD player or
DVD drive
equipped computer configured to operate in the
U.S.A.
Compatibility with non-USA DVD formats is an
unknown yet
to be determined. If you live outside the U.S.A,
you
probably already know more about compatibility or
noncompatibility than we do. Please contact Fred
Coldwell
at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss DVD compatibility
with, and
postage charges to, other countries.
If you have a question concerning payment,
please contact
VAC Treasurer, Linda Moore, by E-mail at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or by regular mail at her
address
above.
We hope you enjoy this latest benefit provided
by the
Vintage Airstream Club!
Fred Coldwell
VAC Archive Historian
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:39:31 -0600
From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
Greetings Kenneth,
Nice note on your trip. What year diesel Sub to you have and what kind of
mieleage do you get?
Gerald Shippen
66 Overlander
62 Globe Trotter (under restoration)
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From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: [VAC] Trip report
> Just got back from a 4500 mile trip with our 59 Traveler from Colorado to
> New Jersey shore and back and thought I would share a couple of
observations.
>
> The trailer was flawless - I had a couple of concerns (besides making it)
> with the trailer before I left. My biggest concern was the polish job -
> how it would hold up in heat/weather/rain/humitity etc etc. It did great
> when I got back had some water spots on it that will come out when I do my
> annual buffing. I am amazed how well the trailer holds a polish - my once
> per year going over with AP-300 keeps it looking great.
>
> Second is we tow it with a 3/4 ton Suburban Diesel and was concerned that
> it would be rough on the trailer - again no problems at all. We
> encountered lots of bumpy roads also with no problem.
>
> I'd say the biggest problem we had is my two boys who got real tired of
all
> the people who stop us to look at the trailer - For me its a great way to
> meet people and talk about Airstreams - restoration and most of the
> questions I get is about polishing.
>
> Anyway I thought I would post this because we rarely seem to hear on this
> list how these old trailers really do in everyday towing long distances.
>
> Ken Johansen
> 5358
> 59 Traveler
> 75 Tradewind
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: refinishing existing veneer
What are some good materials for refinishing the
existing veneer? My wood is sound, but the finish is
obviously gone in some places. I don't think
stripping should be necessary. But, a new coat of
something is in order.
Some time ago, someone posted info on a particular
brand of finish. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it
locally. Ideally, I would like something that can be
wiped on with a cloth, but which is permanent (like
the gel polyurethanes).
Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated.
Jon in SC
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Message Number: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:45:27 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Attitude
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I agree lately it seems to be a running commercial fot inland. Or is this
just a chilgist openion of an old man?
Jim Smith
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:47:58 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refinishing existing veneer
Jon,
I refinished the veneer in my 68 by simply sanding the old finish off. I
used 400 grit paper to prevent from going past the top layer. I took all of
the cabinet doors and as many of the parts that I could into my garage to
minimize the mess in the trailer. Two coats of minwax polyurethane and it
looks better than new. Take one of your cabinet doors off and test the back
of it to see if you would get similar results.
Randy
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:32 -0600
From: "Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refinishing existing veneer
Jon
Our approach has been first and foremost, do no harm.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:16:58 -0600
From: "Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
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I don't think that is a fair assertion Jim.=20
Andy is very helpful, albiet opinionated.
I for one appreciate his input.
Rob Davis
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:26:09 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
John - I have heard over the years that the old trailers were designed to
be pulled by autos, not the heavy duty suspension of a modern heavy duty
truck. A heavy duty suspension can cause rivits to come loose and break.
I guess I'm OK because the trailer did great - even bouncing over some of
our less then smooth interstates. In fact I'm amazed - I tried to be real
careful, but we got some pot holes out there that could swallow a small
Airstream.
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
At 10:47 PM 8/15/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Sounds like a great trip and a lot of fun. Why were you worried about your
>3/4 ton Suburban pulling the trailer?
>Randy
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:32:21 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trip report
Gerald - My Suburban is a 94 and I got between 10.5 and 13 mpg. The 10.5
was towing in direct drive and when I towed in overdrive (I know your not
supposed to )(in the flats) I got 13. I've got a 4:11 rear. This is less
then I think I should get - I get up to 19 running free and this trailer is
light. Its interesting that I get the same performance towing the 5,000
pound Tradewind. I should also note that we had a rack full of bikes on
top of the Suburban - its amazing that I loose about 3mpg with just that.
Ken Johanen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
At 10:39 PM 8/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Greetings Kenneth,
>Nice note on your trip. What year diesel Sub to you have and what kind of
>mieleage do you get?
>Gerald Shippen
>66 Overlander
>62 Globe Trotter (under restoration)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:30 PM
>Subject: [VAC] Trip report
>
>
>> Just got back from a 4500 mile trip with our 59 Traveler from Colorado to
>> New Jersey shore and back and thought I would share a couple of
>observations.
>>
>> The trailer was flawless - I had a couple of concerns (besides making it)
>> with the trailer before I left. My biggest concern was the polish job -
>> how it would hold up in heat/weather/rain/humitity etc etc. It did great
>> when I got back had some water spots on it that will come out when I do my
>> annual buffing. I am amazed how well the trailer holds a polish - my once
>> per year going over with AP-300 keeps it looking great.
>>
>> Second is we tow it with a 3/4 ton Suburban Diesel and was concerned that
>> it would be rough on the trailer - again no problems at all. We
>> encountered lots of bumpy roads also with no problem.
>>
>> I'd say the biggest problem we had is my two boys who got real tired of
>all
>> the people who stop us to look at the trailer - For me its a great way to
>> meet people and talk about Airstreams - restoration and most of the
>> questions I get is about polishing.
>>
>> Anyway I thought I would post this because we rarely seem to hear on this
>> list how these old trailers really do in everyday towing long distances.
>>
>> Ken Johansen
>> 5358
>> 59 Traveler
>> 75 Tradewind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
>> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
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>> When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
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Message Number: 14
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:31:47 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Attitude
Jim Smith.
A dealer, such as Inland RV, that has been around for 36 years, and with my
specific background with the Airstream product, and my 4 years with the
insurance division of Airstream, has far more information at hand to share
with the Airstream owners, than any owner could possibly have.
My concerns have always been customer oriented for safety, and proper care
for the product.
I also note how many other dealer owners, not technicians, take time to
answer many questions on the various Airstream related sites.
NONE!!!!!
I wonder why????
I wonder if it could be that they don't want to expose themselves to ridicule
by the select few??
Possibly and Probably.
For the sake of those that appreciate the information we post, we shall
continue. If someone doesn't like our posts, the answer to me is very simple.
DON'T READ IT !!!
I feel we provide a valuable service to thousands of owners, all over the
world, with our supply of parts for the vintage trailers, that no one else
had the courage to get involved with, along with spending their own money and
time to recreate many parts that no longer existed, and, share our knowledge
of the product, on a time available basis.
We are encouraged daily to keep up the good work. It would seem that the
majority wishes to have us continue.
Each fence does have two sides.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 15
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:43:40 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
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I also think that Andy is a great resource of knowledge as well as parts.
I very much appreciate his input.
Thomas #8848
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Message Number: 16
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:28:52 -0400
From: soule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
I have to add my $0.02 to this thread. IMHO, the reality of the
interior of the of the of the '70's A/S never quite lived up to the
promise of the exterior. I really like the shape of the '70's bodies,
especially the windows and doors. The frame and floor is another story
that I'll leave for another time.
I have to say that the problem with the interiors is not just that they
are '70's designs, they are BAD '70's designs. I can make the next
statement with some credibility because I am a mechanical engineer by
training and my wife is a decorator by avocation. When I look at these
interiors, I sometimes imagine that A/S decided to save money in the
'70's by getting rid of their interior designers and having the
structural engineers do the decorating. They seem to have approached
the job the way that I might do it as an engineer: minimize the weight
and cost and make it easy to assemble in the factory. Colors?
Textures? Fabrics? Yeah, throw in some of those. And don't forget to
put in an oven. (Ever notice how many ads for 30-year-old trailers say:
'like new oven'?)
If I haven't offended enough people with those generalizations, I'll add
another...again from personal experience. Is it just me, or have you
ever noticed that men (myself included) tend to choose dark woods colors
and women lean toward lighter ones? When we gutted and rebuilt our '77
Tradewind, I was visualizing an interior of beautiful mahogany, but my
wife kept saying 'think light and airy'. Her wisdom prevailed and we
ended up with unstained birch cabinets, off-white paint on the walls and
bulkheads and pastel fabrics for the cushions, pillows and curtains.
The effect is fantastic...the dark, cave-like interior we started with
has been transformed into a bright, open beach house.
Yes, we removed the vinyl and painted the luan underlayment. We never
considered leaving the luan exposed because it's too dark for our needs
and the grain is just not that attractive. We painted the walls. And
yes, we re-configured the coach to meet our needs. I understand that
there is a segment of the vintage community that believes that an A/S
should be restored as closely to the original as possible, and I respect
that opinion and admire the work that restorers do. We followed the
lead of the segment of the community that is inspired by the A/S
tradition, and rebuilds them as their own creations. If you like to
restore...by all means restore. If, OTOH, you want to do something
different have courage, be bold...you'll be happy with the results.
Time to get off my soapbox.
Lincoln Soule
'77 Tradewind
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:40:12 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 1971 Sovereign Hubcaps
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After a wonderful RM rally and 2000 miles with nary a problem, we lost one of
our original hubcaps on our 1971 Sovereign less than 20 miles from home
(thanks to Missouri's terrible highways). We went back to retrieve it and
found it completely flattened and destroyed. Does anyone know where we could
find a replacement for the original raised-center hubs on early 1970s
Internationals?
Thanks,
Ben & Molly
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Ben & Molly<BR>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:37:12 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Veneers and panelling and thoughts on '70's A/S design
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:28:52 -0400, soule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Yes, we removed the vinyl and painted the luan underlayment. We never
>considered leaving the luan exposed because it's too dark for our needs
>and the grain is just not that attractive. We painted the walls. And
>yes, we re-configured the coach to meet our needs.
details man!! I fully agree with everything you said and I really HATE my
trailer's interior especially the cramped fit of the toilet!! Thank goodness the
original owner was a wealthy IBM exec and lived within easy distance of the
Cupertino factory. thus, we have the braced rails for the rear bath.
Now, please --
Tell us how you stripped off the vinyl, removed the glue especially from the
partitions and from the highly porous luan, etc. If I were doing the job
myself, I would have thrown out all of the existing wood and bought 1/4 and 2/4
birch and replaced everything I could have. Saved a lot of time and just used
the originals as patterns. What was done with the tambors? the vinyl trim
pieces?
we could stand a couple of weeks of daily messages if you would be willing to
provide it. AND THEN - tell us how you re-engineered the interior...
in re the oven, one came with our '67 Overlander of course, in which we lived
full time for three years and we certainly used it to cook turkeys for holidays,
etc. My German/Tarheel wife is one heck of a cook and we have certainly had
100# LPG cylinders hooked up to our trailer more than once.
thanks again..
enuff
chas
--
Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
www.schuetzen.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 19
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:09:27 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
I have to pipe in and admit that Andy is good for the list. He is helpful
to many including myself and offers free advice on simple fixes that most of
us can do. On larger repairs, he will indirectly tell you that you should
bring it to him, or offer a dealers name closer to you. His advice is
always for the ultimate solution so you have to take it with a grain of
salt. Some people want that and that is fine, but some just want to go
camping and need to get her on the road. Silicone will seal and stop leaks,
albeit not as good or last as long as Vulkum. Your trailer is not going to
fall apart in two years if you can't find a wheel spinner to balance the
running gear as an assembly, albeit it will probably last longer if you do.
Andy's advice is often the most correct but there are sometimes
alternatives. The moderators obviously let him promote his business in
exchange for advice and that is fine, as long as they don't prevent somebody
else from doing the same.
Randy
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Message Number: 20
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Waldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
As a "lurker" I have to agree with Sissy. My concern
is for any newbies.
Karen
WDCU
WBCCI #8440
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Message Number: 21
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:28:47 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attitude
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:58:19 -0400, "Sissy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>To the VAC members:
>Is it just me, or has this list taken on a decidedly opinionated,
>confrontational, competitive tone? I used to enjoy it, but now feel like
>I'm on the sidelines of a "match" of some kind.
>I liked it the old way...
>
>Sissy B
perhaps but no list will last without some fire in it. it is rejuvenating,
keeps interest up as long as it is controlled, and so on. however, it is
totally alien to the female mind. We are by nature, a mess of individualists on
this list and in this subject. Those who want the list to be smooth and gentle
and so on are those who will usually join support groups for various maladies
and will also belong to local units, attend GTGs, etc. However, those of us
(yes, especially me) who are truly loners or risk takers, etc are more likely
to be the person who parks his trailer out in the BLM and comes in only to
refill water and propane and food. otherwise camps alone and enjoys the
illusion of elbow room.
I think it is quite admirable that both elements exist as well as they do on
this list with no more friction than there is exhibited.
fwiw
chas (abhors caravans, local units, crowded campgrounds, etc.)
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Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
www.schuetzen.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 22
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:18:30 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ttitude
I don't care much for the tone of this discussion, where even
approval has to be an "admission" and Andy's advice may have
"alternatives;" of course there are alternatives - there are always
alternatives. This tone comes over as damning with faint praise. Also, I
have not seen any "promotion of his business" on this list And, if he did
start to promote it, our moderators would step in. His advice is
knowledgeable and correct. I guess some feel that simply signing on as
InlandRV is a promotion; I don't.
- Dick
(5368)
At 03:09 PM 8/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I have to pipe in and admit that Andy is good for the list. He is helpful
>to many including myself and offers free advice on simple fixes that most of
>us can do. On larger repairs, he will indirectly tell you that you should
>bring it to him, or offer a dealers name closer to you. His advice is
>always for the ultimate solution so you have to take it with a grain of
>salt. Some people want that and that is fine, but some just want to go
>camping and need to get her on the road. Silicone will seal and stop leaks,
>albeit not as good or last as long as Vulkum. Your trailer is not going to
>fall apart in two years if you can't find a wheel spinner to balance the
>running gear as an assembly, albeit it will probably last longer if you do.
>Andy's advice is often the most correct but there are sometimes
>alternatives. The moderators obviously let him promote his business in
>exchange for advice and that is fine, as long as they don't prevent somebody
>else from doing the same.
>Randy
>
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Message Number: 23
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:57:33 -0400
From: "folstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ttitude
Dick,
You said it well! I agree.
Dave Sawicki
'69 Caravel
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [VAC] ttitude
> I don't care much for the tone of this discussion, where even
> approval has to be an "admission" and Andy's advice may have
> "alternatives;" of course there are alternatives - there are always
> alternatives. This tone comes over as damning with faint praise. Also, I
> have not seen any "promotion of his business" on this list And, if he did
> start to promote it, our moderators would step in. His advice is
> knowledgeable and correct. I guess some feel that simply signing on as
> InlandRV is a promotion; I don't.
>
> - Dick
> (5368)
>
> At 03:09 PM 8/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have to pipe in and admit that Andy is good for the list. He is
helpful
> >to many including myself and offers free advice on simple fixes that most
of
> >us can do. On larger repairs, he will indirectly tell you that you
should
> >bring it to him, or offer a dealers name closer to you. His advice is
> >always for the ultimate solution so you have to take it with a grain of
> >salt. Some people want that and that is fine, but some just want to go
> >camping and need to get her on the road. Silicone will seal and stop
leaks,
> >albeit not as good or last as long as Vulkum. Your trailer is not going
to
> >fall apart in two years if you can't find a wheel spinner to balance the
> >running gear as an assembly, albeit it will probably last longer if you
do.
> >Andy's advice is often the most correct but there are sometimes
> >alternatives. The moderators obviously let him promote his business in
> >exchange for advice and that is fine, as long as they don't prevent
somebody
> >else from doing the same.
> >Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> "God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over.
> Why should you and I?"
> -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
> ---------------------------------------
> Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
> Retired and loving it!
> WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
> Atlanta
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