Ok ED:
 
Since your valuation of zen is limited to recognised zen Masters and not as 
much by the non famous, I'd like give you another clue this time by  Master 
Dogen:
"If you want to know me, meet me at zazen"
 
Mayka

--- On Mon, 18/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 23:59


  








ED:
 
 May I ask you:  Do you need from the assertion of any Teacher to tell you that 
you breathe?.  Don't you know that already?.  
 
Mayka
 
 
--- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 22:50


  



Mayka,
I do hear you, and will ponder over what you say. If you have references to the 
teachings of recognized Zen masters to back up your asserions, that would be 
helpful. Bill's confirmation would also help.
--ED
 
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote:
>
> > ED: What are the most common motivations and expectations that direct 
> > individuals toward zen practice?
 
> Mayka: No motivation, no expectations.  No search for zen.  No interest for 
> zen. The only thing is that after going in circles and just by a chance 
> one day one discovers that there is: Only the here and the now lived in 
> awareness!. And automatically one becomes a zennist! So it's zen that choose 
> its practitioners and not people who choose to be a zennist. 
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> > ED: I do hope zen would choose me - but I had better start doing zazen 
> > again.

> Mayka:  It's in not in hope that one knows to be breathing but by a natural 
> motion of nature observed while in awareness. 
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> > > > ED: Is the enlightenment process something other than what is suggested 
> > > > immediately above?

> > > Mayka: There is no enlightenment

> > ED: I use 'enlightenment' synonymously with 'realizing Buddha nature'.

> Mayka: Buddha nature is found in the here and the now.  Use the awareness of 
> the in and out breathing 24 hour over 24 hours even in one sleep and in 
> whatever task one is doing.  Acknowledgement of sensations, thoughts, 
> movements, smells, hearing, sight....and you will experience the Buddha 
> nature by yourself. There is no realisation but just awakening or remembering 
> of something that is in you already. 
> Mayka
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