Re: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch t ime.. Let FBI take care it..

2001-09-12 Thread Marco Martinez

That wasn't a viewpoint (mine was as I referenced his comment: a moronic,
insensitive and careless disregard for life type of comment) Mr. Chong
simply feels that his time (and more absurd, his time working!) is more
important than the lives of humanity, particularly those that lost it in the
WTC.

I am surprise that you say that expressing an opinion is dear to Americans,
is so then maybe the terrorist were just expressing an opinion??? I don't
think so...This is a republic where freedoms end the minute you end a life.
I also (as someone else previously on this list) put this guy in the same
character lineup as those cowards who committed this heinous act because he
thinks his work is more important than letting others express their anger,
frustration, powerless frame of mind. This list is a good outlet and if you
want this thread gone, simply delete it from your mail or filter it...

I personally would like to see the parties responsible for this hunted down
and immediately executed, as far as I am concerned they signed their death
warrant the minute they thought of this plan...

Have you donated blood today? I have and let me tell you, I never heard a
single person in the lines I was (over 500 people in one three hours) that
says let the FBI take care of it, get back to work. Everyone wanted to
release the anger and pain we were suffering.

We have friends in NY, I am sure that they wouldn't appreciate Mr. Chong
dehumanizing them with the faceless, tactless, and careless guise of simply
telling them to go back to work peopleremember pearl harbor? I am very
disgusted with the whole thing, I am praying for the folks over in NY and
Washington and if there is anything other than donating blood, I am already
doing it or thinking about tomorrow to do it

May God bless those in his company today...

On 9/11/01 9:42 PM, Colin Leeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This would have to be the 2nd most stupid thing I have heard today...
 
 He has his opinion and you clearly have your own.
 It is the freedom to have an opinion that Americans and the rest of us in
 the free world hold dear.
 He has expressed his opinion and you now have as well. (Does this mean we
 ask to have you removed from the list?)
 
 This occasion has rocked the whole world and we all mourn for those involved
 and I am sure everyone hopes and prays for a positive solution.
 Behavior like that exhibited here can not aid in this process.
 
 I hope we can all display patience and tolerance for another persons
 viewpoint.
 
 Col 
 
 PS. I think the majority of the group would like to see an end to this
 thread.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Marco Martinez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 2:22
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much
 t ime.. Let FBI take care it..
 
 
 This guy is a moron, I am shocked at your insensitivity and inhumane
 attitude, please remove yourself from this list before I ask that you be
 removedi am serious...
 
 On 9/11/01 10:16 AM, Albert Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Back to works..
 
 http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
 
 -
 Marco A. Martinez
 Computing Services Coordinator (ITCC) / Microsoft Certified Professional
 College of Education, California State University, Sacramento.
 Phone: 916/278.5513  Fax: 916/278.5904
 Opinions expressed herein, are solely those of Marco Martinez, and not
 those of California State University, Sacramento.
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-
Marco A. Martinez
Computing Services Coordinator (ITCC) / Microsoft Certified Professional
College of Education, California State University, Sacramento.
Phone: 916/278.5513  Fax: 916/278.5904
Opinions expressed herein, are solely those of Marco Martinez, and not
those of California State University, Sacramento.
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Re: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch t ime.. Let FBI take care it..

2001-09-12 Thread Martijn Eindhoven

This COWARDLY act is probably the worst I will ever see in my life.
The Netherlands is astonished for something as horrorfull this. No one I
know can believe
that any person(s) can do something this diabolic like this. Palestinians
that are partying 
on the streets should be isolated and need no compassion in the future
for any acts of israel.
The people who did this, as the news says, fear and disregard our free
individualistic countries, and the see us as diabolic.
But this is something that only diabolic people can do, without any
respect for innocent people.
I want to give my compassion to everyone in the US for this is something
no one would wish another free country.
Lets hope after nostradumus his prophecy came true:
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
apart 
by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb
, The 
third big war will begin when the big city is burning
Not the one of Shakespeare will be true to:
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but
World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. 

At 11:40 PM 9/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:
That wasn't a viewpoint (mine was
as I referenced his comment: a moronic,
insensitive and careless disregard for life type of comment) Mr.
Chong
simply feels that his time (and more absurd, his time working!) is
more
important than the lives of humanity, particularly those that lost it in
the
WTC.
I am surprise that you say that expressing an opinion is dear to
Americans,
is so then maybe the terrorist were just expressing an opinion??? I
don't
think so...This is a republic where freedoms end the minute you end a
life.
I also (as someone else previously on this list) put this guy in the
same
character lineup as those cowards who committed this heinous act because
he
thinks his work is more important than letting others express their
anger,
frustration, powerless frame of mind. This list is a good outlet and if
you
want this thread gone, simply delete it from your mail or filter
it...
I personally would like to see the parties responsible for this hunted
down
and immediately executed, as far as I am concerned they signed their
death
warrant the minute they thought of this plan...
Have you donated blood today? I have and let me tell you, I never heard
a
single person in the lines I was (over 500 people in one three hours)
that
says let the FBI take care of it, get back to work. Everyone wanted
to
release the anger and pain we were suffering.
We have friends in NY, I am sure that they wouldn't appreciate Mr.
Chong
dehumanizing them with the faceless, tactless, and careless guise of
simply
telling them to go back to work peopleremember pearl
harbor? I am very
disgusted with the whole thing, I am praying for the folks over in NY
and
Washington and if there is anything other than donating blood, I am
already
doing it or thinking about tomorrow to do it
May God bless those in his company today...
On 9/11/01 9:42 PM, Colin Leeson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This would have to be the 2nd most stupid thing I have heard
today...
 
 He has his opinion and you clearly have your own.
 It is the freedom to have an opinion that Americans and the rest of
us in
 the free world hold dear.
 He has expressed his opinion and you now have as well. (Does this
mean we
 ask to have you removed from the list?)
 
 This occasion has rocked the whole world and we all mourn for those
involved
 and I am sure everyone hopes and prays for a positive 
solution.
 Behavior like that exhibited here can not aid in this process.
 
 I hope we can all display patience and tolerance for another
persons
 viewpoint.
 
 Col 
 
 PS. I think the majority of the group would like to see an end to
this
 thread.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Marco Martinez
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 2:22
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us
too much
 t ime.. Let FBI take care it..
 
 
 This guy is a moron, I am shocked at your insensitivity and
inhumane
 attitude, please remove yourself from this list before I ask that
you be
 removedi am serious...
 
 On 9/11/01 10:16 AM, Albert Chong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Back to works..
 

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
 

-
 Marco A. Martinez
 Computing Services Coordinator (ITCC) / Microsoft Certified
Professional
 College of Education, California State University, Sacramento.
 Phone: 916/278.5513 Fax: 916/278.5904
 Opinions expressed herein, are solely those of Marco Martinez,
and not
 those of California State University, Sacramento.

-
 
 

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-
Marco A. 

Event ID 5781

2001-09-12 Thread Steve
Title: RE: Securing Permissions on NT Event Log



I sent 
this earlier, but I think it got lost in the messages from 
yesterday.

Does 
anyone have a clue as to what causes the following event and how to keep it from 
happening? I found the write-up in the MS Knowledge base, but it doesn't 
help much.

Event 
ID: 5781
Source: NETLOGON


Dynamic registration or 
deregistration of one or more DNS records failed because no DNS servers are 
available.
Data: : 2a 23 
00 
00 
*#.. 
I have 
two Win 2K servers acting as general-purpose servers (DNS as well)servers 
to the Internet for a number of domains. All the DNS zones on both servers 
are AD enabled.The DNS servers have forwarders enabled,which 
point to the DNS servers of my ISP. The servershave dual Ethernet 
connections: One Ethernet is on a segment (209.42.32.x) which connects to the 
Internet via an SDSL line, the otheris on aback-end LAN 
(10.1.x.x). Both servers are connected to the SDSL segment and the 
back-end LAN. Both servers are hosting web, ftp (via IIS), and one server 
is hosting mail (via Exchange 5.5). Everything seems to be running fine, 
but the event message is troubling.


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Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP

2001-09-12 Thread James Gosnold

Sound advice regarding the setting up of a lab and I certainly intend to
put my foot down for some lab kit when asked to implement a migration for
my company.

Have run the client beta of XP a couple of times and although very
impressed with the features, feel and especially would could be the
invaluable Terminal services running on it, both of my installations ended
up in oblivion, just couldn't boot into them one day and after a few
efforts couldn't be bothered to salvage them. Probably because it was a
beta and not as stable as the released product will hopefully be.

Regards, James.




 Just something to consider.  Windows 2002 Server will have some improvements
 to Active Directory that are worth waiting for if your CO is sizeable and
 already has an X500/LDAP infrastructure built.  We went so far as to test the
 alpha code to see if it fixed the problems we were seeing  with a couple of
 tweaks  recommendations to Mickey$oft, beta code ran the integration fine...
 (of course, that was in the lab).
 
 From a migration stand point, scale up a lab fully, set up 2 BDC's in your
 current domain, get them stable  then pull them out  put it in the lab on an
 isolated network.  Promote 1 to PDC and go to town with migration testing.
 Every installation is unique and this exercise is well worth testing.  Also
 when you're migrating have a back out plan (ie.  build a BDC  pull it from
 the network just before you execute).
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Owsley, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:53 PM
 Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
 
 
 : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there.  Please, if you haven't
 : experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please
 : don't respond.  What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals
 : who've done the do, so to speak.  I don't mean to sound like a jerk,
 : please forgive me.
 :
 : Having said that, my question is simple:  I haven't migrated my NT domain
 : to Windows 2000 and Active Directory.  I am totally jazzed on Windows
 : 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate.  Is there any reason to wait
 : for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is called?
 : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take?  Should I go
 : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in
 : the market?
 :
 : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags
 : won't.  Or maybe there isn't anything to tell?  Thanks!
 :
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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread James Gosnold

Would just like to add my support from here in the UK. We are obviously
very close to the US in many ways and everybody I know, family and
colleagues alike, are shocked by the awful events of yesterday.

I hope that Bush is pragmatic in his repsonse and in finding the true
perpetrators before punishing them in the most severe manner. I certainly
feel that he will be acting on behalf of the civilised world in doing so,
obviously moreso the US but I live in London and also feel threatened by
such fanatics so I feel I am standing shoulder to shoulder with my US
friends in spirit.

As for all those biblical and Nostradamus predicitions, my own feelings
are that they are nearly as warped as those fanatics responsible for
yesterdays outrage, we are in control of our own destiny and have been
given the gift to shape it. The lunatics who committed yesterdays crime
are trying to bring us back to that 2000 year old level of Armageddon
prophecies and the like.

Condolences to you all in the US, 

James.



 Thanks for the expressions of support.  Means much to us, knowing that
 there are lots of others throughout the world who feel the pain, and are
 supportive.
 
 Revelations, Armaggeddon, and Nostradamus have been on my mind lots
 today.
 
 In the City of God there will be a great thunder,=20
 Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,=20
 while the fortress endures,=20
 the great leader will succumb
 
 The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
 - Nostradamus 1654=20
 
 
 
 Greg J. Ewy
 Trilogy Systems
 515-964-9505
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Western [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:55 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about
 
 
 Hi People,
 I'd just like to express sadness to all the people in the US effected by
 the
 attacks on US.  I think it's disgusting and should be punished.  While
 people everywhere are in a state of shock/uncertainty/fear it's worth
 thinking about where each of us are going to spend our eternal destiny.
 The
 Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where everyone will attack Israel
 and
 try to wipe them off the face off the earth...  Revelation is an
 interesting
 book to read through
 Have a good day (and think about the following excert).
 Regards
 Matthew
 snip

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RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us toomu ch time.. Let FBI take care it..

2001-09-12 Thread DiDio, Laura
Title: 



Hi, 
Andrew:

Am 
glad you and all the others in NY made it safely home! 

I 
worked on the ground floor of One World Trade Center when I was with CNN...I can 
only imagine the terror, chaos and destruction at the scene. The TV and radio 
reports were horrific. But as a native New Yorker and transplanted Bostonian I 
was also proud to see great acts of courage and selflessness -- like the long 
lines of people waiting to donate blood!!  Like many other Americans -- I have 
loved ones and friends who work(ed) in the WTC and surrounding area -- we're 
still trying to get word on some of them. I trust you are staying home 
today!

Best 
Regards,

Laura 


Laura

  -Original Message-From: Andrew S. Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
  2001 8:58 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much time.. Let FBI 
  take care it..
  Only 
  took me 5 hours to get home, via Ferry, two Trains and a 
  car.
  
  Thanks to all who showed some concern.
  
  
  ==
  ASB - http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT
  ==
  "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the 
  abilityto learn from the experience of others, are also 
  remarkablefor their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas 
  Adams 
  
-Original Message-From: Eric Brouwer 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
2001 3:19 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let 
FBI take care it..
I 
can't even imagine having seen that with my own eyes, up close and 
personal...

Video was bad enough...

  -Original Message-From: Andrew Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  3:02 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesCc: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Everybody get back to work.. 
  Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take care 
  it..
  That's easy to say when the tragedy is remote to 
  you.
  
  I had the extreme pleasure of looking at the 
  former WTC buildings burning this morning, and now I get 
  the thrill of figuring out how to get back home to NJ from a city that for 
  all intents and purposes is locked down.
  
  Forgive me if my definition of WORK 
  does not coincide with yours
  
  
  - 
  ASB-Original 
  Message-From: Albert Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
  Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:16 PMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us 
  too mucht ime.. Let FBI take care it..Back to 
  works..http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take care it..

2001-09-12 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Title: 



Thanks, Laura.

Many 
people have risen to the challenge during this tragedy.

I hope 
you hear good news today regarding your friends and loved 
ones.

I will definitely be at home 
today.

-ASB
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the 
abilityto learn from the experience of others, are also 
remarkablefor their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas 
Adams 

  -Original Message-From: DiDio, Laura 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:57 
  AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Everybody get 
  back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take care 
  it..
  Hi, 
  Andrew:
  
  Am 
  glad you and all the others in NY made it safely home! 
  
  I 
  worked on the ground floor of One World Trade Center when I was with CNN...I 
  can only imagine the terror, chaos and destruction at the scene. The TV and 
  radio reports were horrific. But as a native New Yorker and transplanted 
  Bostonian I was also proud to see great acts of courage and selflessness -- 
  like the long lines of people waiting to donate blood!! Like many other 
  Americans -- I have loved ones and friends who work(ed) in the WTC and 
  surrounding area -- we're still trying to get word on some of them. I trust 
  you are staying home today!
  
  Best 
  Regards,
  
  Laura 
  
  Laura
  
-Original Message-From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
2001 8:58 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much time.. Let 
FBI take care it..
Only took me 5 hours to get home, via Ferry, two Trains and a 
car.

Thanks to all who showed some concern.


==
ASB - http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT
==
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the 
abilityto learn from the experience of others, are also 
remarkablefor their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas 
Adams 

  -Original Message-From: Eric Brouwer 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
  2001 3:19 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. 
  Let FBI take care it..
  I can't even imagine having seen that with my own 
  eyes, up close and personal...
  
  Video was bad enough...
  
-Original Message-From: Andrew Baker 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
3:02 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesCc: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Everybody get back to work.. 
Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take care 
it..
That's easy to say when the tragedy is remote 
to you.

I had the extreme pleasure of looking at the 
former WTC buildings burning this morning, and now I 
get the thrill of figuring out how to get back home to NJ from a city 
that for all intents and purposes is locked down.

Forgive me if my definition of WORK 
does not coincide with yours


- 
ASB-Original Message-From: Albert Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:16 PMTo: NT System Admin 
IssuesSubject: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste 
us too mucht ime.. Let FBI take care it..Back to 
works..
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Strange behaviour - Armada E500

2001-09-12 Thread Francis, Marie-Andree

Good  afternoon all,

We have just purchased 2 new (a week old) Armada E500 laptops (WinNT) and
every time they're shut down, (tidily) they both run Auto check on boot up.

Was wondering if this is a motherboard problem but2 systems
simultaneously??? 

Your help would be much appreciated.

TIA

Regards
Marie

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Re: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread Heidi Pilewski

Briefly, because life has to return to something resembling normal, I'd
like to say thanks to all those on this list who are not from the US and
are expressing condolences and outrage at these attacks.  Often, events
like this can have the effect of isolating one from the rest of the
world.  It's important to know that there are only a few extremists out
there that harbor these feelings against the U.S.  Unfortunately, not
everyone killed, especially in the World Trade Center, were U.S.
citizens.  

While I don't always agree with the foreign policy of my country, the
only thing this sort of violence achieves is more violence.  If there
are entities out there that don't like what the U.S. does, then a
dialogue must be established.  I think that the person or persons behind
this attack will find that this galvanizes the American people against
them and does little to further their issues or improve the way the US
conducts it's foreign policy.

I'm lucky in that, it appears, everyone I personally know in the world
was unharmed, but not untouched, by this attack.  My condolences go to
those who are more personally affected by this attack. 

Heidi

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RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us toomu ch time.. Let FBI take care it..

2001-09-12 Thread DiDio, Laura
Title: 



Hi, 
Andrew:

Thanks 
-- everyone I know is OK -- a couple of my colleagues had close family members 
who worked in WTC and they all got out OK...

Enjoy 
your rare day off and do something nice for yourself and your family -- you 
deserve it!

All 
the best,

Laura

  -Original Message-From: Andrew S. Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
  8:01 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Everybody 
  get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take 
  care it..
  Thanks, Laura.
  
  Many 
  people have risen to the challenge during this tragedy.
  
  I 
  hope you hear good news today regarding your friends and loved 
  ones.
  
  I will definitely be at home 
  today.
  
  -ASB
  "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the 
  abilityto learn from the experience of others, are also 
  remarkablefor their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas 
  Adams 
  
-Original Message-From: DiDio, Laura 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
6:57 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let 
FBI take care it..
Hi, Andrew:

Am 
glad you and all the others in NY made it safely home! 

I 
worked on the ground floor of One World Trade Center when I was with CNN...I 
can only imagine the terror, chaos and destruction at the scene. The TV and 
radio reports were horrific. But as a native New Yorker and transplanted 
Bostonian I was also proud to see great acts of courage and selflessness -- 
like the long lines of people waiting to donate blood!! Like many other 
Americans -- I have loved ones and friends who work(ed) in the WTC and 
surrounding area -- we're still trying to get word on some of them. I trust 
you are staying home today!

Best Regards,

Laura 

Laura

  -Original Message-From: Andrew S. Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 
  11, 2001 8:58 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: 
  RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too much time.. 
  Let FBI take care it..
  Only took me 5 hours to get home, via Ferry, two Trains and a 
  car.
  
  Thanks to all who showed some concern.
  
  
  ==
  ASB - http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT
  ==
  "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the 
  abilityto learn from the experience of others, are also 
  remarkablefor their apparent disinclination to do so." -- 
  Douglas Adams 
  
-Original Message-From: Eric Brouwer 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 
11, 2001 3:19 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch 
time.. Let FBI take care it..
I can't even imagine having seen that with my 
own eyes, up close and personal...

Video was bad enough...

  -Original Message-From: Andrew Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
  2001 3:02 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesCc: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Everybody get back to 
  work.. Stupid Terrorist waste us too mu ch time.. Let FBI take care 
  it..
  That's easy to say when the tragedy is remote 
  to you.
  
  I had the extreme pleasure of looking at the 
  former WTC buildings burning this morning, and now I 
  get the thrill of figuring out how to get back home to NJ from a city 
  that for all intents and purposes is locked down.
  
  Forgive me if my definition of WORK 
  does not coincide with yours
  
  
  - 
  ASB-Original Message-From: Albert Chong 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
  Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:16 PMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: Everybody get back to work.. Stupid Terrorist waste 
  us too mucht ime.. Let FBI take care it..Back to 
  works..http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP

2001-09-12 Thread Flanagan, Kevin

I strongly agree with the lab setup, you need more than just the DCs, you
need a fair representation of all major systems running that will have
interaction with the Domain Controllers/GCs in the new world. 


I did a 2K setup, but would wait for XP if time permits, unless you have a
very simple AD design.  XP will have some stuff that may be easier to
implement from scratch, AD replication partitioning comes to mind.



Good luck,


Kevin


+---+
Kevin Flanagan
C/S Planning Engineer III
I/T Implementation Department
Branch Banking  Trust Company
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-Original Message-
From: James Gosnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP


Sound advice regarding the setting up of a lab and I certainly intend to put
my foot down for some lab kit when asked to implement a migration for my
company.

Have run the client beta of XP a couple of times and although very impressed
with the features, feel and especially would could be the invaluable
Terminal services running on it, both of my installations ended up in
oblivion, just couldn't boot into them one day and after a few efforts
couldn't be bothered to salvage them. Probably because it was a beta and not
as stable as the released product will hopefully be.

Regards, James.




 Just something to consider.  Windows 2002 Server will have some 
 improvements to Active Directory that are worth waiting for if your CO 
 is sizeable and already has an X500/LDAP infrastructure built.  We 
 went so far as to test the alpha code to see if it fixed the problems 
 we were seeing  with a couple of tweaks  recommendations to 
 Mickey$oft, beta code ran the integration fine... (of course, that was 
 in the lab).
 
 From a migration stand point, scale up a lab fully, set up 2 BDC's in 
 your current domain, get them stable  then pull them out  put it in 
 the lab on an isolated network.  Promote 1 to PDC and go to town with 
 migration testing. Every installation is unique and this exercise is 
 well worth testing.  Also when you're migrating have a back out plan 
 (ie.  build a BDC  pull it from the network just before you execute).
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Owsley, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:53 PM
 Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
 
 
 : I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there.  Please, if you 
 haven't
 : experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server, please
 : don't respond.  What I am looking for is the advice of the guys and gals
 : who've done the do, so to speak.  I don't mean to sound like a jerk,
 : please forgive me.
 :
 : Having said that, my question is simple:  I haven't migrated my NT
domain
 : to Windows 2000 and Active Directory.  I am totally jazzed on Windows
 : 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate.  Is there any reason to
wait
 : for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or what-the-heck-ever it is
called?
 : You folks that have made the migration, what is your take?  Should I go
 : ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in
 : the market?
 :
 : You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags
 : won't.  Or maybe there isn't anything to tell?  Thanks!
 :
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FW: Re: Windows 2000 or Windows XP

2001-09-12 Thread Nail, Larry

Take a look at ZDNet  Eweek's reviews of XP Gold, they relaxed the WPA
(Windoze Product Activation) quite a bit.  If you're under a Select or
Enterprise agreement with Mickey$oft, you won't have to activate the
product.
- Original Message -
From: T. Bradley Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP


: I waited until Win2k was out for about a year and then began upgrading my
: servers from NT4. I've got 3 NT4 servers left and I can't wait to get to
: them. Win2k is faster, more stable, and easier to administrate.
:
: As for clients, new machines and rebuilds are done as Win2k. Older
: (existing) clients are left as NT4 unless they must run Win2k.
:
: As for XP, unless they change the licensing I won't be upgrading. NT Admin
: is work enough without having to tell MS every time I re-install an OS.
:
: ~Brad
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:53 PM
: To: NT System Admin Issues
: Subject: RE: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
:
:
: Clients, Yes wait for XP.
: Servers not really there will be a ton more tools for Ad management but
: not enough to wait for what you gain.
:
: -Original Message-
: From: Owsley, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:54 PM
: To: NT System Admin Issues
: Subject: Windows 2000 or Windows XP
:
:
: I expecting there are a lot of opinions out there.  Please, if you
: haven't experienced the migration from NT Server to Windows 2000 Server,
: please don't respond.  What I am looking for is the advice of the guys
: and gals who've done the do, so to speak.  I don't mean to sound like a
: jerk, please forgive me.
:
: Having said that, my question is simple:  I haven't migrated my NT
: domain to Windows 2000 and Active Directory.  I am totally jazzed on
: Windows 2000, by comparison, so am ready to migrate.  Is there any
: reason to wait for .NET server or Windows XP Server, or
: what-the-heck-ever it is called?
: You folks that have made the migration, what is your take?  Should I go
: ahead with my migration, then do the next version when it stabilizes in
: the market?
:
: You guys are in the trenches, and I hope will tell what the trade rags
: won't.  Or maybe there isn't anything to tell?  Thanks!
:
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RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

2001-09-12 Thread Flanagan, Kevin
Title: Message



While 
everyone here has their own issues, I'd really rather you keep nut cases and 
their agendas out of the list.


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  -Original Message-From: Wendell Cotton 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  6:54 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
  Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
  I 
  agree.
  
-Original Message-From: Ron Brandon 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
3:45 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
I don't think so at all. He is merely warning of 
potential issues that would have monumental consequences should they come 
about.
-Original Message- From: 
Mier, Juan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: L. 
Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 
 Hideously enough, my new 
novel _The American Zone_,  scheduled to be 
published next November by Tor Books, begins  
with an act very similar to this one, carried out to force 
Uh He's trying to sell his new book now? 
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windows 2000 Backup program

2001-09-12 Thread Gareth Campling

Hi group

i'm confused on this one, got a windows 200 machine with 2
drives both drives having 2 paritions, trying to back up 5.5GB of data
from HD2 to a partition on HD1 that has 7.7GB free space using
NTBackup so that i can use convert.exe on hd2 and convert it to a NTFS
drive as its fat32 at the moment, but when i run the backup it gets to
about 4.5GB and says out of space on target device, but as my maths
can see its got plenty of space ? any answers would be great.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: To Mr. Hornbuckle, non-U.S. Citizen

2001-09-12 Thread John Hornbuckle
Title: Message



I am 
an American citizen. In my message, I was responding to someone else who was not 
one.



John

  
  -Original Message-From: Normand Dionne 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:16 
  PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: To Mr. Hornbuckle, 
  non-U.S. Citizen
  I 
  see Perry FL in your address Mr. Hornbuckle. Like through the internet, 
  everything that happens in this world touches everyone else. It is still 
  my hope that direct communications from the one to the many via the internet 
  would help end this sort of violence in pursuit of senseless nationalistic 
  identities which are valued more than the people they are supposed to 
  benefit.
  
  This is not 
  about highly religious values of one group over another. The people who did 
  this and those who supported this are simply greedy for power themselves. They 
  sacrifice the integrity of their souls in doing this and drag a great number 
  of the unsuspecting with them.
  
  It 
  is my further hope that our response, the response of those who are American 
  Citizens and who believe in the freedoms which again today show their true 
  cost, will not become terrorists themselves, sweeping both the guilty and 
  innocent away in broad undisciplined strokes.
  
  So 
  let this American state for the record today that I am a Citizen of the World. 
  If you are not an American Citizen, please join in with me as Citizen of the 
  World. 
  
  My 
  prayers go to the victims, to those who must now react and to those who did 
  this, for those who did this will pay a dear price.
  
  
  Normand DionneUH HiloAcademic Computing 
  Services808-974-7768 (Voice and FAX) 
  
-Original Message-From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 
11, 2001 8:01 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
NewYork Terrorist Attack
like many 
on this list, I'm not American.


Oh, so this doesn't 
affect you? Think again!
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RE: O/T Red Cross online donations

2001-09-12 Thread Malcolm Reitz

You can also donate through Amazon.com. Go to www.amazon.com.

Malcolm
 


-Original Message-
From: Jan Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: O/T Red Cross online donations



For us non Americans you can donate funds online to the Red Cross @
http://www.redcross.org/

The site is congested but you will get though if you stick with it.

To our American friends - you are in our thoughts and prayers.



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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Andrew S. Baker

~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety. -- Benjamin Franklin


==
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==
 A nickel isn't worth a dime today. -- Yogi Berra.




-Original Message-
From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly
affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure
we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my
email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic
discussion, in no way
am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
for them.  Many
of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
the off topic
discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.



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RE: INTERNET MONITORING

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes
Title: INTERNET MONITORING



I 
currently use Surf control and highly recommend it. However if you have more 
time on your hands than money. Just use crystal reports (or something similar) 
and you can build your own reports off your proxy servers logs on usage 
data.

This 
is whatI did for 3 years before purchasing Surf 
control.


Matt Wehnes System 
Administrator Morton Machining  
MFG [Matt 
Wehnes]-Original Message-From: 
Rocky Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 
September 12, 2001 1:01 AMTo: NT System Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: INTERNET 
MONITORING

  Try 
  surfcontrol
  
-Original Message-From: Freeman, Caine 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: September 11, 2001 
8:34 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: INTERNET 
MONITORING
Hi All,  I administer an NT 4 network accross 3 
domains (Sydney, Melbourne  Brisbane) connected through 2 VPN 
Tunnels. Our internet bill has recently 
spiked and I want to know why. Does 
anybody know a program I can implement to monitor peoples usage of the 
internet, programs accessing and downloading data?
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RE: Silicon Valley salary

2001-09-12 Thread Malcolm Reitz

Geez, and I thought the 40-minute communte I just picked up on my move to
Houston was bad (it was 10 minutes at my previous job).

Malcolm
 


-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Silicon Valley salary


My husband works 2/3 in Silicon Valley and 1/3 in Southern Calif. because
the cost of living up there is so expensive and housing is so outrageous!
You may get paid alot but when it takes  1 1/2 hours to travel 30 miles
because you can't afford to live close to work it isn't worth it.  Most of
the companies up there buy dinner every night for their employees because
most of them don't go home til 8 or 9 pm because of traffic.  Some of the
people in his office sleep on futons in their office 3 to 4 days aweek
instead of going home.  

Something to consider
Diane

-Original Message-
From: Markus Laker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Silicon Valley salary


Once the authorities get around to processing visa applications again, and
once the airports reopen, my employer is planning to move me from its UK
office here in Bracknell to its San Jose office for a couple of years.
Marvellous timing, I know.

Salary negotiations are beginning in earnest.  Most of the Californian job
sites I can find don't mention salaries these days (surprise, surprise).
What does a competent C++ developer earn in Silicon Valley these days?

Thanks and regards,

Markus


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RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

2001-09-12 Thread Dewar Charles R

What a whack job. Heck, http://www.xdude.com gave a more reasoned response.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FW: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01


Fellow Sysadmins;

Some of you may recognize the author of the piece below. For those of you
who don't, he's a recognized science fiction author, and a lesser-known
political writer, with a number of books published in each field.

I hope you find it interesting, and keep his cautions in mind when
evaluating the actions of not only the US goverment, but also other
governments and other organizations as well.

Kurt

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From: L. Neil Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:41:57 -0600
Subject:MORNING OF HORROR

MORNING OF HORROR

By L. Neil Smith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Special to _The Libertarian Enterpise_
http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil


 First of all, expect never to learn the truth about what happened
at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and elsewhere this morning of
September 11, 2001, any more than we did with regard to the murders of
Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, at Ruby Ridge, Waco, or
Oklahoma City. Ambiguity and uncertainty serve far too many political
interests.

 Another certainty is that, although I'm told 50,000 people worked
in the World Trade Center, more innocent individuals will die as a
result of what the Old Media are lovingly referring to as a lockdown
of Manhattan and other places, than any acts of terrorism that may have
occurred. The military has just said they'll shoot down any plane they
see flying. Only one civilian plane is in the air this morning, Air
Force One; that's as grim a warning of things to come as I can think
of.

 Collateral deaths won't just happen as a consequence, say, of
somebody with a heart attack being unable to get to a hospital, but
whenever and wherever some dumb kid in an army uniform gets startled
by a car backfiring and starts spraying everybody and his pet poodle
with automatic rifle fire. Or to whomever the martial lawyers decide
it's safe to liquidate using this foul mess as a cover. Or, vastly
more ominously, to people in the not-so-distant future who decide they
must resist the police state that will inevitably result from these
events.

 It's extremely difficult to think coherently about long term
effects, let alone to get it all down in writing, when you learn that,
not only were hijacked commercial aircraft used to commit these
unspeakably evil acts, but that 90 passengers died helplessly in the
first plane, and others yet unnumbered may have died in subsequent
attacks. _Somebody_ has to think about it, though, or this situation
will be used to turn the Bill of Rights off forever. Depending on the
planning behind it, or who did the planning, it may already be too
late.

 All airports have been shut down today, and I shudder to think
about what flying will be like from now on. The Clintons, Schumers,
and Waxmans will try to shut down the Internet, calling it a breeding
ground for terrorism. The Bushes and Cheneys will reluctantly go
along.

 Rush Limbaugh will cheer them on.

 What should those who value their freedom do? Every chance you
have, from this moment on, whether it's on talk radio, or on the
letters to the editor page, on the Internet while it's still possible,
or in communication with everyone you know -- it's time for even the
most apolitical to write to senators and congressmen -- emphasize two
points:

 First, inform them that closing down the First or Second or any
other Amendment is not an appropriate response to what's happened, and
that any politician or bureaucrat in office who attempts to capitalize
on today's horrors is committing the same sort of blatantly criminal
act I've always insisted must be punished under Bill of Rights
enforcement.

 Second, these things happen to nations with imperial ambitions.
There has never been a major act of terrorism I know of that hasn't
resulted from an act of government that violated somebody's rights. The
way to keep this sort of thing from  happening again is to stop those
violations.

 Hideously enough, my new novel _The American Zone_, scheduled to
be published next November by Tor Books, begins with an act very
similar to this one, carried out to force the creation of a strong
central government in the governmentless North American Confederacy
that figures in so many of my books. As anybody who knows my work can
safely predict, the evil scheme doesn't work and the villains are
defeated.

 Life isn't as predictably pleasant as fiction. Happy endings are
few and far between. But it's important to act swiftly if we're to
preserve anything resembling the freedom that made this civilization
great.

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RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS

2001-09-12 Thread Murray Freeman

For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual. So here are the facts
from the Northern Suburbs of Chicago, where our gas prices are among the
highest in the U.S. I reported yesterday that a gas station near my office
was at $2.09 for a gallon of premium on my way into work yesterday morning.
However, when I went out for lunch, the price had DROPPED to $1.99 per
gallon. After all the RUMORS yesterday and the fact that I had less than a
quarter of a tank of gas in my car, I was somewhat concerned. But at 5:00PM
that gas station near my office was STILL at $1.99 per gallon and to my
surprise, NO LINES! I figured that since I pass several gas stations on my
way home, I'd take a chance that the RUMORS were bulls**t and wait to fill
at the station near my home. Well, every gas station I passed had the same
pricing as in the morning and there were NO LINES to be seen. Finally, I
came to the gas station near my home, and the price of gas hadn't changed
and there were NO LINES, so I pulled in and filled up as usual. So for those
of you who are willing to pass rumors and join our enemies in battle, I
suggest you have an opportunity to leave the enemy and rejoin us  who are
lucky enough to live in the greatest land of all. And the way to do that is
to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

Murray F. (how long will I have to use this signature so as not to be
confused with Murray B. in Canada)

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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread RAMSEY, CAROLYN
Title: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack





This is an excellent article that I've shared with my fellow IT staff members - makes me proud to be an American.


Carolyn Ramsey
Texoma HealthCare System
Denison, Tx
MIS Support
903-416-4175



-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That is a famous article by one of Canada's best journalists.
 
William
 
-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
 
 
America: The Good Neighbor.
 
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian television commentator.
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:
 
 
This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.
 
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
 
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
 
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
 
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes?
 
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
 
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right
in the store window for everybody to look at.
 
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
to spend here.
 
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.
 
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.
 
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
damned tired of hearing them get kicked around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope
Canada is not one of those.
 
 
Stand proud, America!


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From: Luke Brumbaugh 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Thank you, I beleive it was another Canadian who stood up and said How America (United States) was always the first to help other countries in distress, but who helps them when they were in a crisis.  It's nice to have FRIENDS up north.

I applaud you sir.

-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


 
 
Murray, believe me they will (US). I am a Canadian saying this. If you knew what happens around the world you wouldn't say this. Any natural catastrophe or otherwise in any part of the world, America is the first one to respond. If you don't know ask people who were torn by earthquakes in Turkey, India, Mexico - - -. Don't get into hair splitting exercise. 

 
Mal
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From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
I 

RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Laura Swartout
Title: RE: Attack and Gas Prices









Gas prices in
the Midwest rose sharply before the Labor Day
weekend. We were paying $1.96 for 87 unleaded octane. All day yesterday it was
down to 1.67. This morning it's back up to almost 2 bucks. Lines were
long at the pumps in La Crosse, WI but Winona, MN hasn't panicked yet. I think
most people are taking a "wait and see" attitude.



-Original Message-
From: RAMSEY, CAROLYN
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12,
2001 8:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



Price gouching (raising prices for pure greed) has
been declared illegal in TX and OK, attorney generals have sworn to prosecute
as needed and reported.

Lines were long yesterday, but only heard about 10
cent increases. 

Carolyn Ramsey 
Texoma
HealthCare System 
Denison,
Texas 75020 
MIS
Support 
903-416-4175




-Original Message- 
From: Martin Blackstone
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 PM

To: NT System Admin
Issues 
Subject:
RE:
Attack and Gas Prices 

Exactly. It is pure greed. There is no shortage.
There is no reason to 
oil to
be held up. There is no reason to raise the price. 
It is
pure greed 

-Original Message- 
From:
Senter, John M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:44 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 



There is no reason for the gas price to jump, except
the greed of people 
to try
and make money off of other peoples loss. It makes me sick on

how
some people try and make money. 

js 

-Original Message- 
From:
David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:40 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 



Oklahoma city supposedly. 
Topeka
KS, 5.00 a gallon... 

I'm not sure, I haven't been out yet. 
Guess
I'll run out and fill up in case... 

-Original Message- 
From:
David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:27 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 

Like where ... 

-Original Message- 
From:
David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 16:11 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
Attack and Gas Prices 



Can anyone confirm that gas prices are going up
around the country? 
Supposedly
it's around $6.00 a gallon already in some places... 





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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Benjamin Winzenz

I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of spying that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent.  what the people don't
know won't hurt them type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.

As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what happened.  At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.

 -Original Message-
From:   Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:OT? perspective of events

My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all for them.  Many
of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like the off topic
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RE: windows 2000 Backup program

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes

I've never used NTBACKUP so I don't know what the problem is.

Why don't you just make a Directory on HD1 call HD2 and use xcopy or move
to transfer the data from hd2 to hd1.

Just an idea.

Matt Wehnes 
System Administrator
Morton Machining  MFG

-Original Message-
From: Gareth Campling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: windows 2000 Backup program


Hi group

i'm confused on this one, got a windows 200 machine with 2
drives both drives having 2 paritions, trying to back up 5.5GB of data
from HD2 to a partition on HD1 that has 7.7GB free space using
NTBackup so that i can use convert.exe on hd2 and convert it to a NTFS
drive as its fat32 at the moment, but when i run the backup it gets to
about 4.5GB and says out of space on target device, but as my maths
can see its got plenty of space ? any answers would be great.

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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Jason Gauthier
Title: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



What?

87: 
1.69
89: 
1.79
93: 
1.79

I 
got 93 this morning for the first time in a year.



  -Original Message-From: Laura Swartout 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 
  2001 9:49 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Attack and Gas Prices
  
  Gas prices 
  in the Midwest rose 
  sharply before the Labor Day weekend. We were paying $1.96 for 87 unleaded 
  octane. All day yesterday it was down to 1.67. This morning it's back up to 
  almost 2 bucks. Lines were long at the pumps in 
  La 
  Crosse, 
  WI but 
  Winona, 
  MN hasn't 
  panicked yet. I think most people are taking a "wait and see" 
  attitude.
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: RAMSEY, 
  CAROLYN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:26 
  AMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: Attack 
  and Gas Prices
  
  Price gouching (raising prices for 
  pure greed) has been declared illegal in TX and OK, attorney generals have 
  sworn to prosecute as needed and reported.
  Lines were long yesterday, but 
  only heard about 10 cent increases. 
  Carolyn 
  Ramsey Texoma HealthCare 
  System Denison, Texas 75020 
  MIS Support 
  903-416-4175 
  
  
  -Original 
  Message- From: 
  Martin Blackstone [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 
  Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 
  PM To: 
  NT 
  System Admin Issues Subject: 
  RE: 
  Attack and Gas Prices 
  Exactly. It is pure greed. There 
  is no shortage. There is no reason to oil to be held up. 
  There is no reason to raise the price. It is pure 
  greed 
  -Original 
  Message- From: Senter, John M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  1:44 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
  
  There is no reason for the gas 
  price to jump, except the greed of people to try and make money 
  off of other peoples loss. It makes me sick on how some 
  people try and make money. 
  js 
  -Original 
  Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  3:40 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
  
  Oklahoma city 
  supposedly. Topeka KS, 5.00 a 
  gallon... 
  I'm not sure, I haven't been out 
  yet. Guess I'll run out and fill up in 
  case... 
  -Original 
  Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  3:27 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
  Like where ... 
  
  -Original 
  Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  16:11 To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
  
  Can anyone confirm that gas prices 
  are going up around the country? Supposedly it's 
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Richard McClary

Hey Denison - been there lots of times!

In IL, the Governer and AG were taken by surprise as prices in central IL 
were jacked up to $3-5!  Supposedly it's come down a bit since then, but 
not all the way down to the already too high $1.85.  Neither the Gov nor 
the AG were at all amused by this...

At 08:25 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

Price gouching (raising prices for pure greed) has been declared illegal 
in TX and OK, attorney generals have sworn to prosecute as needed and reported.

Lines were long yesterday, but only heard about 10 cent increases.

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Denison, Texas 75020
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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Paul . Rochford
Title: RE: OT? perspective of events





FYI.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21516.html Echelon exists and is in use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21626.html FBI using Carnivore listening boxes on the net.





-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 14:51
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events



I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet. I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said). I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most. I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of spying that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked. I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent. what the people don't
know won't hurt them type of attitude. It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here. As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.


As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come. My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss. Even today, I still am in shock at what happened. At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


-Original Message-
From:  Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts. My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.


Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool). In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy. As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed? I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore. Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.


Thoughts?


BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
am I suggesting that that the other threads stop. I'm all for them. Many
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RE: windows 2000 Backup program

2001-09-12 Thread David James

Have you tried Partition Magic to see what it shows?

-Original Message-
From: Gareth Campling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: windows 2000 Backup program

Hi group

i'm confused on this one, got a windows 200 machine with 2
drives both drives having 2 paritions, trying to back up 5.5GB of data
from HD2 to a partition on HD1 that has 7.7GB free space using
NTBackup so that i can use convert.exe on hd2 and convert it to a NTFS
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Re: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Richard McClary

What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

  and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Phillips, Glen
Title: RE: OT? perspective of events



There's another item on The Register which puts the whole event into it's 
proper "international" perspective

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21615.html



  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 
  14:59To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: OT? 
  perspective of events
  FYI. 
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21516.html 
  Echelon exists and is in use http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21626.html 
  FBI using Carnivore listening boxes on the net. 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 12 September 2001 14:51 To: NT 
  System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of 
  events 
  I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet. I 
  think some of it may be warranted (we already know 
  that any phone conversation basically can be recorded 
  based on a myriad of words that are said). I think that the same 
  type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by 
  most. I think though, that if we were all told 
  the extent of "spying" that the FBI already does, 
  legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked. I almost 
  think that things like that are better off kept 
  silent. "what the people don't know won't hurt 
  them" type of attitude. It's gonna get really interesting 
  for a while here. As someone else said, we are in for a 
  bit of a bumpy ride. 
  As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the 
  horrible acts that took place yesterday (no 
  relatives), we will all be affected by this dastardly 
  deed for a long time to come. My heart goes out to those who have 
  experienced a loss. Even today, I still am in shock at 
  what happened. At the same time, let us pray 
  that our leaders make informed and wise decisions in 
  the aftermath of what has happened. 
  Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems 
  Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. 
  -Original Message- From: 
   Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 
  AM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: OT? perspective of 
  events 
  My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly 
  affected by these cowardly acts. My thoughts 
  also go out to the millions of us indirectly affected. 
  Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in 
  recent months there has been considerable debate on 
  Carnivore (the FBI's electronic snooping tool). 
  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and 
  privacy. As IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of 
  Carnivore changed? I know if someone had asked 
  me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore. 
  Today, I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" 
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Miller

I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.


 

Kevin Miller

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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : 

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted no gas left signs and
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Harry_Campbell


The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.


   
 
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I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
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Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


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a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
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expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
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RE: Event ID 5781

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Miller
Title: Message



turn 
off the forwarding. make one of the DDNS servers the primary. have all machines 
point to it as there primary, run netdiag /test:dns /fix against that server 
make sure DNS is working right. and play with the bind order on your servers 
that have more then one nic.

  
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  6:33 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Event ID 
  5781
  I 
  sent this earlier, but I think it got lost in the messages from 
  yesterday.
  
  Does 
  anyone have a clue as to what causes the following event and how to keep it 
  from happening? I found the write-up in the MS Knowledge base, but it 
  doesn't help much.
  
  Event ID: 5781
  Source: NETLOGON
  
  
  Dynamic registration or 
  deregistration of one or more DNS records failed because no DNS servers are 
  available.
  Data: : 2a 23 
  00 
  00 
  *#.. 
  I have 
  two Win 2K servers acting as general-purpose servers (DNS as 
  well)servers to the Internet for a number of domains. All the DNS 
  zones on both servers are AD enabled.The DNS servers have 
  forwarders enabled,which point to the DNS servers of my ISP. The 
  servershave dual Ethernet connections: One Ethernet is on a segment 
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RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

2001-09-12 Thread Banyas, Pat F. Civ
Title: Message



I concur with the 
nutcase label.

-Original Message-From: Flanagan, Kevin 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:57 
AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil Smith On 
Morning of Horror 9-11-01
While 
everyone here has their own issues, I'd really rather you keep nut cases and 
their agendas out of the list.


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MC: 172-85-01-00 
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  -Original Message-From: Wendell Cotton 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  6:54 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
  Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
  I 
  agree.
  
-Original Message-From: Ron Brandon 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
3:45 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
I don't think so at all. He is merely warning of 
potential issues that would have monumental consequences should they come 
about.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: L. 
Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 
 Hideously enough, my new 
novel _The American Zone_,  scheduled to be 
published next November by Tor Books, begins  
with an act very similar to this one, carried out to force 
Uh He's trying to sell his new book now? 
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RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Murray Freeman

I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas stations
were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are the enemy too!

Murray F.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?


What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

  and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

[snip]

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Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Praful . Patel

Hi,

Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?

Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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RE: A few thoughts on today's events

2001-09-12 Thread Tom Cass

On your second point  What matters is why...
I disagree.  Evil, and I think we might all agree that what happened was
evil,  will succeed if good and righteous people do nothing.

For all of your arguments to prevail  you must accept the premise that both
the perpetrator and the victims of these events are morally equivalent.   

I am willing to say that all nations who abhor terrorists and will not give
aid and comfort to them ARE morally superior  to those who do tolerate it.

Tom Cass
Personal opinions

  

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A few thoughts on today's events


First:

Thanks to those outside of the US who have expressed concern and support. It
is much appreciated. I don't live anywhere near NYC, but as a US citizen and
a simple human being I am distraught by these events, and wish the best for
those who've been affected.

As usual, people across America have mostly responded by trying to comfort
and care for those who have been directly affected by the attack. It's not
for nothing that citizens of the US are known as the most generous in the
world, and the most practical.

Erik Goldoff's forwarded post from his IT director is spot on, and also much
appreciated.



Second:

It does not matter, in some senses, who did this. What matters is why it
happened. While steps do need to be taken to detect and punish the
perpetrators, this problem will not fade simply because the US will have
(probably) killed whoever did this. In many places across the world, the US
is hated, and with reason. The US government has since World War II been
instrumental in destabilizing many democratically elected regimes, and has
sided with tyrants and dictators, so long as they supported US foreign
policy, or were willing to be puppets. The main target for many years was
Communism, although after the Berlin wall fell the focus changed, and has
continued to change, to whatever enemy of the day is fixated upon.

Cuba, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden, PFLP,
DFLP, etc., etc., etc. are all targets now, but whether now or in the past,
the US government has pursued its ends with means that are not in keeping
with the stated values that most Americans cherish and profess to believe.

American foreign policy has tried to direct events and attitudes across the
world, but it has often not had a coherent aim, usually trying simply to
keep a lid on various situations, or trying to reward those who have toed
our line. Its overseas agenda has been chaotic, perverse and inexplicable.
We will suffer more for it.

The easiest example is right now the most relevant - Israel and the
Palestinians.

I won't try to say who is right or wrong in that conflict, but suffice it to
say there is blame enough for both sides, and the US government has been
neck-deep in it. Worse, the US government has sent conflicting signals since
the beginning.

It's overly simplistic to say that we are hated because we have tried to be
the world's policeman. If we were only that, we would have far fewer
problems. The problem is that we are the corrupt cop on the world beat;
sometimes meddling where we shouldn't, sometimes turning a blind eye where
we shouldn't, often picking on the wrong party in a conflict, and in general
being ham-handed and incompetent in the patrolling of our self-appointed
rounds and the execution of our self-appointed duties.

I'll make one last point here, which has been stated elsewhere - I don't
believe that you can find a large terrorist attack anywhere that wasn't
sparked by some long-standing pattern of government interference where it
wasn't wanted and wasn't justified. If the US government hadn't elected
itself the world's policeman, this wouldn't have happened. Still on point,
if the US government hadn't been such a corrupt cop, this probably wouldn't
have happened, although it possibly might still have. That's harder to
discern. Whether or not we should be the world's policeman is a separate
matter, but if we must be, we should be a good cop, not a bad cop.


Third:

The fallout from this outside of realm of the immediate (i.e., our
military/political response to the actual attack) is going to take a long
time to see. Economically speaking, the WTC housed some really influential
firms, and major offices for many more. People are worrying about gas
prices, among other things. You should be aware that fluctuations in
commodity prices will fluctuate for a while, and that gold and oil prices
will rise for a while - mainly because they are real stores of value, and
are, er, liquid assets.

Longer term, there may be flight of capital from the US because of loss of
confidence in the security of the country. Or not. There may be serious
erosion of civil liberties. Or not. I'd bet on the former in each case, but
I hope for the latter. However, I believe that that the longer-term effects
will be 

RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Luke Brumbaugh

I read about this.  It's a NT box running a kinda Sniffer software.
I have used sniffer, the log gets incredibly big in a short period of time.
So, the idea of scanning an ip address or email header for certain patterns
would only be possible.
Wiretaps are common, but you can only monitor so many phones at a time.
Same here with email and this Carnivore black box.  So you ask yourself, are
you doing something to be afraid of?
If not, then why worry, sniffer doesn't work well on switched networks and
as for internet, only terrorist and child pornographers have something to
worry about.


-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of spying that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent.  what the people don't
know won't hurt them type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.

As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what happened.  At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.

 -Original Message-
From:   Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:OT? perspective of events

My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Paul . Rochford
Title: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators





either give them local admin access to their workstation or you can set up a local policy using the MMC.


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Hi,


Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?


Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.


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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Narkis, John

First of all I would like to express my heartfelt sadness for those who lost
friends, family and collegues to this disaster. May it be a reminder to all
Americans and other democratic countries around the world that there is a
REAL threat to freedom and capitolism, and the need for a strong military
presence is necessary, for no other reason that to be used as a deterrant
for such activity in the future. May we also not forget the loss of military
personel in the Pentagon, who by the nature of thier job put themselves at
risk everyday to defend us against these kinds of threats. While they may
not have been able to forsee this attack, who can know how many countless
attempts were foiled by our intelligence agencies. May we all stand united
behind our president and country to see us through such a horrible and
devistating tragedy. While everybody agrees that some sort of response is
warranted, let us not forget that part of the responsibility of being the
only superpower in the world carries the burden of not responding in the
same cowardly fashon. We need to have a swift and deliberate response to
this, but also be sure that those who are targeted are those who are
responsible. America has to display discipline in this kind of situatuion
not a knee jerk reaction that would reflect the acts of a 3 year old having
a tantrom.

As for mail sniffing I am in total opposition to this kind of technology to
be in use. This steps on the very fringes that makes this country free. The
thing that worries me the most is the ramifications of such systems being in
use, it could easily be turned against us if they were to fall into the
wrong hands. It could also lead to unwarranted harrassment for those that
are undeserving. Just as in military operations, I'm sure that if email was
used as a tool for communications to coordinate something like what happened
yesterday, I'd bet that cryptic messages were sent between parties that were
involved so that even if there were a method in place to ping on key words,
that kind of traffic would probably never be caught. I would also suspect
that even if messages were intercepted, the amount of time and resources
necessary to read them, figure out if it's real or not and then react on it
will most likely be to late.

No matter how you look at this those who are determined to do things as we
all witnessed yesterday will stop at nothing. It is very difficult to defend
against that kind of determination, especially when the idea is to take as
many lives a possible as a result.


One other note.. Gas prices here have remained stable, 

1.30 for 87
1.41 for 89
1.52 for 93

May God console those in thier loss and bless this country as we deal with
this tragic course of events. Admist all this devistation and destruction is
was nice to see those out there helping each other where they can. 


John 




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From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

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Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
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RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Richard McClary

But the message of Compassionate Conservatism is supposed to let these 
station owners do that...

At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

Darn right they are!

-Original Message-

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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Eric Larsen

1.68 / 1.78 / 1.88 is the best pricing here in Oregon, US. (same as Monday)
filled up this AM.. only seeing a few stations raising prices (.10 or so) I
also heard that there is a pipeline shut down somewhere on the West Coast.  

-Eric Larsen


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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.


 

Kevin Miller

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I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




Kevin Miller

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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : 

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From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted no gas left signs and
that the avg price he's seen so far is $5 per gallon.



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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Chris Bodnar

More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
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Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jang Man

That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably in WWI 
and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they need from rest 
of us.
 
It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also agree with 
Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power and strenght has been 
misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire which is responsible for world 
injustice and exploatation. But America didn't invent current monetary and economic 
system. America is just taking advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and 
this is called bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because 
they are just doing bussiness.
 
It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it was 
dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time something like I 
don't care who is in power as long as I controll the bank. He, who issues the money, 
has all the power over the rest, by controlling interest rate and value of money.
 
One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad more 
devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically change current 
monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make this world 
better place to live while based on current economic foundations. There will always be 
huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and tensions based on national/religious 
and other excuses. But basically, it's economic struggle. 
 
I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at the end of 
Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am mistaken.
 
jang
 
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Posted To: NTSysAdmin
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Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. 
 
 
America: The Good Neighbor. 
 
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, 
a Canadian television commentator. 
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as 
printed in the Congressional Record: 
 
 
This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as 
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people 
on all the earth. 
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were 
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in 
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. 
None of these countries is today paying even the interest 
on its remaining debts to the United States. 
 
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the 
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted 
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. 
 
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States 
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities 
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. 
 
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars 
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are 
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. 
 
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over 
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. 
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal 
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? 
If so, why don't they fly them? 
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American 
Planes? 
 
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or 
woman on the moon? 
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. 
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. 
 
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the 
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again. 
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right 
in the store window for everybody to look at. 
 
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are 
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking 
Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home 
to spend here. 
 
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down 
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. 
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, 
nobody loaned them an old caboose. 
Both are still broke. 
 
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of 
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when 
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? 
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco 
earthquake. 
 
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is 
damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. 
They will 

RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Flanagan, Kevin
Title: Message



How 
about runas, and hide the script some?


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  either give them local admin access to their workstation or 
  you can set up a local policy using the MMC. 
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Benjamin Winzenz

I can't remember if being a member of the Power Users group allows them to
change this.  Maybe something to try.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Paul . Rochford
Title: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators





it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the local admin group on the OS you need to change.



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I can't remember if being a member of the Power Users group allows them to
change this. Maybe something to try.


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RE: A few thoughts on today's events

2001-09-12 Thread Jesse E. Gardner

Mr. Dionne,

Do you actually believe everything that you've just written?

Especially these sections:

Many times details of the politics behind situations are kept quiet, but
overall I think we are given the straight scoop by government and the media.
It is always good to question what we are told, and our press does that very
well.

I adamantly disagree that we are the bad cop on the beat.  Many look upon
the US badly because of our status in the world.  We are active and support
American Interests around the world to protect ourselves, as well as foster
world peace and stability.  Using the phrase under the yoke of the US is
propaganda.  We have no national purpose of holding other nations down for
powers sake.  There is no yoke of the US.

Sir, with all due respect, you are either sheltered from life itself and
don't get out much.  Or you're too young to be involved in a discussion like
this.  But you're definitely uninformed if you dismiss all of Mr. Buff's
comments as X-file-ish.

Mr. Dionne, do you why the US bombed Japan during WWII?  Sir, do you know
the real reason we went to the defense of Kuwait?

I am not going to get into a debate with you about these things.  A simple
yes or no will suffice with me.  As I respectfully do not place much
credence in an Americans' opinion (yours), who appears to be blinded with
'love of his country.'


Jesse E. Gardner, MCP
P.O. Box 11431
Columbia, SC 29211
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Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: A few thoughts on today's events

Kurt,

US foreign policy over time fluctuates due to the differing opinions of the
political party who happens to be in power and to some degree of public
opinion.  Your characterization of events in the past are almost
X-File-ish.  Sure US policy has not always been correct, we make mistakes
like every other country. Fighting the Soviet Union we had to sometimes
choose stability over more democratic opposition.  Your comments imply some
sort of conspiracy in hiding or coloring historical events like JFK, etc.
Many times details of the politics behind situations are kept quiet, but
overall I think we are given the straight scoop by government and the media.
It is always good to question what we are told, and our press does that very
well.

We support Israel because it is the right thing to do.  But, we also support
a Palestinian state.  It is up to them to come to terms however.  In the
modern world the US has to be engaged in the world or pay the consequences.
This means making decisions on what governments to support, taking or not
taking military action, etc.  In general the US government and it's people
(us) support and respect the world's diversity.  We may preach, but we do
not conquer.

I adamantly disagree that we are the bad cop on the beat.  Many look upon
the US badly because of our status in the world.  We are active and support
American Interests around the world to protect ourselves, as well as foster
world peace and stability.  Using the phrase under the yoke of the US is
propaganda.  We have no national purpose of holding other nations down for
powers sake.  There is no yoke of the US.

I know there are points of view at odds with the United States, but we have
to stand up for our interests and principles.  The bottom line is we cannot
please everyone, but we have to make the effort to live with everyone in the
world.  Being strong and outspoken in the world, is enough of a cause for
other nations and peoples to be resentful of the US. The major cause of
today's events is the clash of Western and Islamic culture.  There should be
room enough for all of us.  But it is not the United States who is turn this
into an us against them argument.  In fact the political use of Jihad
really does a great disservice to Islam.

What it comes down to is we must fight for freedom, even if it appears we
are the bully of the world.  Just imagine the current government of China
were in charge, and see who would complain than.


Mahalo

Carl


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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A few thoughts on today's events


First:

Thanks to those outside of the US who have expressed concern and support. It
is much appreciated. I don't live anywhere near NYC, but as a US citizen and
a simple human being I am distraught by these events, and wish the best for
those who've been affected.

As usual, people across America have mostly responded by trying to comfort
and care for those who have been directly affected by the attack. It's not
for nothing that citizens of the US are known as the most generous in the
world, and the most practical.

Erik Goldoff's forwarded post from his IT director is spot on, and also much

RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


HTH,
Rab.
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Sent: 12 September 2001 15:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
The Lehigh Group
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

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light on possible causes and resolutions?


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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread John Hanks

There are a number of problems you leave out. First, I have sniffed a
switched network before and it is not that hard. You need only overflow
a switch with more bogus MAC addresses than it can handle and suddenly
you have a hub. Even without any effort my snort box picks up loads of
traffic it shouldn't behind two switches. You can probably assume you
are safe from sniffing behind a router, unless there is a compromised
box behind it with you.

Second, you may have plenty to be afraid of. If someone sends you an
html mail with a linked image from a child porn site, by having it open
by accident in a preview window you could suddenly be catogorized as a
child porn viewer by some automatic tool. I have had several very
disturbed and concerned users contact me about incidents like this with
html mail.

I have no worries about reactions to this tragedy as I beleive that the
vast majority of indivuals have good intentions even if their actions
aren't perfect. What I worry about are overreactions. I woke up today
much angrier than I was yesterday and I can think of some pretty
horrible overreactions that I might be willing to support in the
aftermath of the attacks. One can only hope that the leaders of my
country and others have a better handle on their emotions than the
general population. 

jbh



 -Original Message-
 From: Luke Brumbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:29 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 I read about this.  It's a NT box running a kinda Sniffer software.
 I have used sniffer, the log gets incredibly big in a short 
 period of time.
 So, the idea of scanning an ip address or email header for 
 certain patterns
 would only be possible.
 Wiretaps are common, but you can only monitor so many phones 
 at a time.
 Same here with email and this Carnivore black box.  So you 
 ask yourself, are
 you doing something to be afraid of?
 If not, then why worry, sniffer doesn't work well on switched 
 networks and
 as for internet, only terrorist and child pornographers have 
 something to
 worry about.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:51 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think 
 some of it may
 be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation 
 basically can be
 recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think 
 that the same
 type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
 though, that if we were all told the extent of spying that 
 the FBI already
 does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I 
 almost think
 that things like that are better off kept silent.  what the 
 people don't
 know won't hurt them type of attitude.  It's gonna get 
 really interesting
 for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit 
 of a bumpy
 ride.
 
 As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the 
 horrible acts
 that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be 
 affected by this
 dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to 
 those who have
 experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what 
 happened.  At
 the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and 
 wise decisions
 in the aftermath of what has happened.
 
 Ben Winzenz, MCSE
 Network/Systems Administrator
 Peregrine Systems, Inc.
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
 To:   NT System Admin Issues
 Subject:  OT? perspective of events
 
 My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly 
 affected by these
 cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us 
 indirectly
 affected.
 
 Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - 
 in recent months
 there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
 snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure 
 we Americans
 are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and 
 privacy.  As
 IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know 
 if someone had
 asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against 
 Carnivore.  Today,
 I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my 
 email looking
 for suspicious activity.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic 
 discussion, in no way
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 of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like 
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2001-09-12 Thread Chris Bodnar








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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Patrick Smallwood


OK,

As far as I know, there were no refineries hit yesterday (yes, this is the
little picture). Any dramatic increase in prices, as already mentioned, can
only be considered price gouging. Surely these stores are small ones owned
by people who are looking to take advantage of this tragedy?? Who owns
them? I cant imagine Chevron/Texaco/Mobile doing this (not that they
wouldn't in a different circumstance).

If gas does goes that high, I will no longer be taking my laptop home at
night, because I will be riding to work. I refuse to support such anti
American activity...Plus it will force me to ride my bike more...

 Pat




   

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The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.



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I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : 

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Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted no gas left signs and
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Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini


There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David


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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire
which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank. He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

jang

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From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.


America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian television commentator.
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:


This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right
in the store window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are getting 

Access 2000/Win 2kPro combination

2001-09-12 Thread Charles Whitby

(If this is OT a bit, please direct me to the right group.)

I have an Access 2000 database used by several people that resides on an NT4
Server.  Some of its tables are linked to tables in another database on
another NT4 server.  Users on desktops using Win98 can access and add
records to the database with no problems.  Users on W2K machines get the
message MS Access has generated errors and will be closed by Windows.  You
will need to restart the program. An error log is being created.

Running the rebuild/compact utilities didn't help.  

Anyone have any suggestions? (and, by the way, anyone know where those
error logs might be?)

Thanks.

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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Richard McClary

Nice to know we are still willing to assist those that send out 12-line 
disclaimers on their mail!

Anyway, the local vs domain is probably not the issue here.  Making Joe 
User a local admin should keep the domain recourses safe.  However, he is 
still free to cause serious damage to the local machine, and I believe this 
is the concern of the original post.

A local account manager can add a workstation to a domain and remove it 
afterward.  Might an account manager be able to change IP information as 
well (or could it be granted under advanced user rights)?

At 03:46 PM 9/12/2001 +0100, you wrote:

it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the 
local admin group on the OS you need to change.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I can't remember if being a member of the Power Users group allows them to
change this.  Maybe something to try.
--
Hi,

Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?

Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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Re: OT: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread Owsley, Kenneth

Not me.  But I just visited Cisco and looked at their IP Phones.  They
are hot, hot, hot.  If you get a chance, look at them.

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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Chris Bodnar

Robert,

What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?



Chris Bodnar
The Lehigh Group
610-966-9702 X:134

-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


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-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
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From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Richard McClary

Good luck!  As someone that bicycles 5000-7000+ miles each year (commuting 
whenever possible), I often get the feeling that those that get gouged at 
the gas station consider bicycling to be Anti-American.  Weird but true!

If gas does goes that high, I will no longer be taking my laptop home at
night, because I will be riding to work. I refuse to support such anti
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Re: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini

Any crazy hikes in the gas prices should ceritfy the closing of that
business.
There is no reason for an increase from $1.59 to 4-5 dollars per gallon.

- Original Message -
From: Richard McClary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?


 But the message of Compassionate Conservatism is supposed to let these
 station owners do that...

 At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

 Darn right they are!
 
 -Original Message-
 
 I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas
stations
 were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are the enemy
too!


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jang Man

There's nothing to forgive you. You didn't kill or assault anyone. I gave all the 
credits and support to all Americans. I just gave my observations as I see the world 
from other angle.

jang

-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:58 PM
Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack



There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David


- Original Message -
From: Jang Man [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire
which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank. He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

jang


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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Paul . Rochford
Title: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators





well if you don't trust your users, and in most cases you shouldn't ;) You can set-up a group policy for that user on the local machine. Might take a bit of configuration though, hence I would go with the quick and dirty local rights.

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators



Nice to know we are still willing to assist those that send out 12-line 
disclaimers on their mail!


Anyway, the local vs domain is probably not the issue here. Making Joe 
User a local admin should keep the domain recourses safe. However, he is 
still free to cause serious damage to the local machine, and I believe this 
is the concern of the original post.


A local account manager can add a workstation to a domain and remove it 
afterward. Might an account manager be able to change IP information as 
well (or could it be granted under advanced user rights)?


At 03:46 PM 9/12/2001 +0100, you wrote:


it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the 
local admin group on the OS you need to change.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I can't remember if being a member of the Power Users group allows them to
change this. Maybe something to try.
--
Hi,

Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?

Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.


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ADSL query

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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Horst Hinz

OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my
history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure
they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until
someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America
was fighting for itself as well.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


 We all won the war...
 The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
 We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not
boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had
already surrendered.  Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't
responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing
field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved.
This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors.
We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all
winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.
Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for
Europeans, our neighbors.  To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the
terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.

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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Mier, Juan

Except that the US declared war on Japan only.  Germany and Italy
declared war on the US after that.

 -Original Message-
 From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
 OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but 
 if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out 
 WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure they provided equipment to 
 the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the 
 US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America 
 was fighting for itself as well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
  We all won the war...
  The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
  We all lost people in WWII.
 
 The point being here that until America entered into the 
 fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous 
 countries were defeated and had already surrendered.  Yes, we 
 all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win 
 as many of the teams had already left the playing field.  
 And it obviously wasn't going well before America got 
 involved. This goes back to the point that America does care 
 about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a 
 little flippant and not in understanding with what was going 
 on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning 
 the war until America came over and gave it's kids for 
 foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  
 Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors.  To 
 now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) 
 had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.
 
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RE: ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes

It will work, there's no difference between leased lines and ADSL.
I use a SDSL line to run my exchange box with out problems.
The IP address issues are public and VPN's can be set up.

Matt Wehnes 
System Administrator
Morton Machining  MFG



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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: ADSL query


ADSL has just been introduced in Ireland. I was in the process of installing
a leased line Internet connection with Worldcom, and discovered that ADSL
would be about 30% of the price. My one worry is IP address allocation. Does
anyone know if ADSL supports public Ips? IE, will my exchange server work?
Will my users be able to connect in via a VPN etc.?

Thanks,
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Stuart Tonge

absoloutely.
But consider why the us went into Europe - would you want to Have a Fascist
Nutter occupy europe and russia?
who would have been the next target?
go figure.


-Original Message-
From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 16:14
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my
history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure
they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until
someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America
was fighting for itself as well.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


 We all won the war...
 The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
 We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not
boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had
already surrendered.  Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't
responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing
field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved.
This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors.
We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all
winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.
Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for
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Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini

My opinion was not direct towards you personally. Just those who beleive
they can destroy our way of life here and still enjoy it...

Thanks,
David

- Original Message -
From: Jang Man [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


There's nothing to forgive you. You didn't kill or assault anyone. I gave
all the credits and support to all Americans. I just gave my observations as
I see the world from other angle.

jang

-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:58 PM
Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack



There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David


- Original Message -
From: Jang Man [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire

which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank. He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson

Hi Chris,

Windows 98 SE is installed on the client PC. I'm using the standard
Microsoft VPN Adapter software that comes with Win98 SE. Therefore
I'm not sure what you mean by the DUN client? Is this another additional
piece of software I should have loaded?


TIA,
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:58
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Robert,

What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?



Chris Bodnar
The Lehigh Group
610-966-9702 X:134

-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
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From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


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RE: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Miller
Title: Message



Cisco 
is the only product I have and would use for this.

  
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  Voice over ip
  
  Anyone 
  doing VOIP ? Specifically using the MultiTech products? 
  
  
  
  
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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread John Hornbuckle

For an interesting commentary on this particular Nostradamus prediction,
check this out:

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm




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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


Thanks for the expressions of support.  Means much to us, knowing that
there are lots of others throughout the world who feel the pain, and are
supportive.

Revelations, Armaggeddon, and Nostradamus have been on my mind lots
today.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, 
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, 
while the fortress endures, 
the great leader will succumb

The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
- Nostradamus 1654 



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Re: OT: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread nwilcox2

AAVID Baby, AAVID.




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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Miller

Give me 2 linemen in trench coats that have not shaved or showered in a
few days. Get up tell everyone we have a bomb. That is all it would
take. NO WEAPONS NEEDED, to hyjack a plane. How do you implement
security to solve that problem? 

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I, for one, would be willing to trade in some conveniences, but not
freedoms.  I would be totally fine with MUCH more heightened security at
airports.  Do you realize it is LEGAL to carry a knife with a 4 blade
onto a plane???  Because of people with pocket knives, my plane could
get hijacked.  I don't accept that.  On several occasions as I traveled,
security did not check what I put in the little dishes as I go through
the metal detector's.  I am asthmatic, and often carry an inhaler.  I
could have been mace, and I could have gotten it on board.  Delaying
passengers even an hour or two for every flight due to increased
security checks is not much in my mind to reduce the risk of this ever
happening again.  Anywhere.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:21 AM
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Andrew is absolutely correct.  We should not give up even small measures
of personal freedom for security.  Doing so would prove terrorism
against the US as a successful means of altering the American way of
life, and thus America itself.  We as a nation cannot allow that to
happen.

Wayne Lentz


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by 
these cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic 
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we 
Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my
email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in 
no way am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
for them.  Many
of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
the off topic
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RE: ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Clark, Steve

What a timely conversation. I have IDSL from Wcom/ UUNet and found that they
were in no rush to help either. It's not a problem with the ISP - it is in
the relationship with the company bringing the line into the facility and
the phone companies. It's miserable when it's down as each of the companies
point the finger at each other and then jointly point at you - it's the IW
it's the CPE.

Total BS.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ADSL query

We are using ADSL in some of our stores here. They all have public IP's. The
one thing that you might want to consider, and it may be different with
worldcomm, is that most providers (especially ours) are still treating ADSL
like home connectivity and therefore are in no rush to fix problems.

Erik

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: ADSL query


ADSL has just been introduced in Ireland. I was in the process of installing
a leased line Internet connection with Worldcom, and discovered that ADSL
would be about 30% of the price. My one worry is IP address allocation. Does
anyone know if ADSL supports public Ips? IE, will my exchange server work?
Will my users be able to connect in via a VPN etc.?

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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread Blanco, Juan

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RE: OT: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread Chris Bodnar

Not familiar with this. Care to elaborate?

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AAVID Baby, AAVID.




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Re: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS

2001-09-12 Thread Jay Woody

We had the same prices, but HUGE lines and even a couple of station were shown on the 
news as tapped dry.  The fact that 3 AG's (OK, TX and MS) reported issues with it 
yesterday, implies it did occur, but I didn't see anything but the long lines 
personally.  So, not the bulls**it you thought, but not quite the big deal that some 
of us thought either.

JayW

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 08:46AM 
For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual. So here are the facts
from the Northern Suburbs of Chicago, where our gas prices are among the
highest in the U.S. I reported yesterday that a gas station near my office
was at $2.09 for a gallon of premium on my way into work yesterday morning.
However, when I went out for lunch, the price had DROPPED to $1.99 per
gallon. After all the RUMORS yesterday and the fact that I had less than a
quarter of a tank of gas in my car, I was somewhat concerned. But at 5:00PM
that gas station near my office was STILL at $1.99 per gallon and to my
surprise, NO LINES! I figured that since I pass several gas stations on my
way home, I'd take a chance that the RUMORS were bulls**t and wait to fill
at the station near my home. Well, every gas station I passed had the same
pricing as in the morning and there were NO LINES to be seen. Finally, I
came to the gas station near my home, and the price of gas hadn't changed
and there were NO LINES, so I pulled in and filled up as usual. So for those
of you who are willing to pass rumors and join our enemies in battle, I
suggest you have an opportunity to leave the enemy and rejoin us  who are
lucky enough to live in the greatest land of all. And the way to do that is
to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread John Hornbuckle

Hm... Maybe click on the link stamped at the bottom of every message you
receive from the list?



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Re: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Ernest . Dinda


The first thing you might try is the registry keys that contain the IP
information. Try granting various ACLs to those, maybe start with FC and see
if it works, then tighten it until it does the absolute minimum required.

Thanks


   
 
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Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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RE: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread Dave Wylie
Title: Message



Echo! 
Echo!

Our use of 
the Alcatel systems (4400) has proven to be A1.

Dave,
Argyll 
College,
Scotland

  -Original Message-From: Williams Phillips 
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  12, 2001 4:31 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Voice over ip
  Try 
  Alcatel...good stuff...
  
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12, 2001 11:35 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: Voice over ip
Cisco is the only product I have and would use for 
this.

  
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RE: ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Erik Brown

That was the main reason that we went with Soutwestern Bell here. We assumed
that since it was their network and they were responsible for the last
mile that problems would be resolved much faster. What actually happened
was that, in an effort to provide better support they created a division
called ASI to handle all support calls. These individuals do not necessarily
have technical knowledge of the product. They are simply skilled at
answering the phone. Occasionally we get one or two that has an idea of what
is going on and it is great. Other times we give them answers that are not
on their script and it blows their minds.
To their credit SWB has assigned us a customer relations manager with whom
we directly interface. She is now seeing the problems that we have been
talking about.

Erik

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ADSL query


What a timely conversation. I have IDSL from Wcom/ UUNet and found that they
were in no rush to help either. It's not a problem with the ISP - it is in
the relationship with the company bringing the line into the facility and
the phone companies. It's miserable when it's down as each of the companies
point the finger at each other and then jointly point at you - it's the IW
it's the CPE.

Total BS.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

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From: Erik Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ADSL query

We are using ADSL in some of our stores here. They all have public IP's. The
one thing that you might want to consider, and it may be different with
worldcomm, is that most providers (especially ours) are still treating ADSL
like home connectivity and therefore are in no rush to fix problems.

Erik

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From: Brian Judge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: ADSL query


ADSL has just been introduced in Ireland. I was in the process of installing
a leased line Internet connection with Worldcom, and discovered that ADSL
would be about 30% of the price. My one worry is IP address allocation. Does
anyone know if ADSL supports public Ips? IE, will my exchange server work?
Will my users be able to connect in via a VPN etc.?

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Brian Judge.



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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread RZorz
Title: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about





Last night while watching my son at Pop Warner football practice, this tragedy was of course the topic of conversation. It's amazing to me how many experts there are. 

One guy was talking about why Muslims hate Christians. Being pretty damn ignorant, I decided to do a little research this morning, and found this site - www.islam-guide.com. Maybe it's watered down a bit, and it doesn't explain religious fanaticism. But at least I understand their religion a little bit better. 

Just thought I throw this out. At least for me, education and understanding goes a long way.
 
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On top of Revelation, the book of Daniel also makes for an interesting
read.


I'm not going to use this forum (or my employer's time) to proselytize.
I would just encourage those who do not believe that the Bible is the
word of God to maybe reconsider when Israel becomes involved in an
all-out war in the Middle East. If I'm wrong and the war never happens,
you can thumb your nose at me and laugh. But if I'm right and the war
DOES happen, grab yourself a Bible and start reading it with the state
of mind that it may not just be a book full of fiction after all.
Intellectuality and faith are not mutually exclusive.


That's all I'm going to say on the matter, so please withhold the flames
(unless you want to send them to me personally off the list).




John Hornbuckle
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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347




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Hi People,
I'd just like to express sadness to all the people in the US effected by
the attacks on US. I think it's disgusting and should be punished.
While people everywhere are in a state of shock/uncertainty/fear it's
worth thinking about where each of us are going to spend our eternal
destiny. The Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where everyone will
attack Israel and try to wipe them off the face off the earth...
Revelation is an interesting book to read through Have a good
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RE: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread John.Chu



I heard that Alcatel is good for small group of users up to 200.  But Cisco
stuff can accommodate up to thousands.





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Echo!  Echo!

Our use of  the Alcatel systems (4400) has proven to be A1.

Dave,
Argyll  College,
Scotland
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Try  Alcatel...good stuff...
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Cisco is the only product I have and would use for  this.
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Script not running at login on win 98 clients

2001-09-12 Thread Zangara, Jim
Title: Script not running at login on win 98 clients






Hello -


NT 4 SP6a Domain - Win 98 clients One PDC and one BDC both Win NT 4 SP6a


Getting a strange problem here -


Win 98 clients are authenticating to the domain because Outlook/Exchange is working fine but some of them do not get the login script to run. No Errors - it just doesn't go. If I go to the client and drill down through network neighborhood to the netlogin share of the PDC I get an access denied message. If I drill down to the netlogin share of the BDC I can run the script manually.

If I reboot the PDC and do the same thing from the same client I can run it manually.


I modified the two scripts and put the words PDC and BDC in each of the respective scripts to see where they are running from - from my test machine I have no issues but sometimes it runs from the BDC and sometimes from the PDC.

Verified the netlogin share is set to everyone. This all started after applying the MS Security Rollup Hot fix.


Has anyone else seen this problem? Searched MS and could only find the problem relating to win95 clients Q142672 that talks about command line parameters - that does not seem related.


TIA


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Re: Script not running at login on win 98 clients

2001-09-12 Thread Peter Pearson
Title: Script not running at login on win 98 clients



Has the script ever run successfully?
Is the replication set up to replicate the script 
between PDC and BDC?
If so, have you set/changed the logon script 
location on the export server?

Peter

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Zangara, Jim 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:10 
  PM
  Subject: Script not running at login on 
  win 98 clients
  
  Hello - 
  NT 4 SP6a Domain - Win 98 clients One PDC and one BDC both Win 
  NT 4 SP6a 
  Getting a strange problem here - 
  Win 98 clients are authenticating to the domain because 
  Outlook/Exchange is working fine but some of them do not get the login script 
  to run. No Errors - it just doesn't go. If I go to the client and 
  drill down through network neighborhood to the netlogin share of the PDC I get 
  an access denied message. If I drill down to the netlogin share of the 
  BDC I can run the script manually.
  If I reboot the PDC and do the same thing from the same client 
  I can run it manually. 
  I modified the two scripts and put the words PDC and BDC in 
  each of the respective scripts to see where they are running from - from my 
  test machine I have no issues but sometimes it runs from the BDC and sometimes 
  from the PDC.
  Verified the netlogin share is set to everyone. This all 
  started after applying the MS Security Rollup Hot fix. 
  Has anyone else seen this problem? Searched MS and could 
  only find the problem relating to win95 clients Q142672 that talks about 
  command line parameters - that does not seem related.
  TIA 
  Jim 
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Mac to PC

2001-09-12 Thread Erik Brown

We have a new VP that just started this week that is used to working on a
MAC. Is there a page out there anywhere that lists a MAC to PC conversion on
how to get things done?

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RE: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread nwilcox2

Nortel has a very strong VOIP Solution as well.  Implementing VOIP is
something that should not be taken lightly, and DEFINITELY not something
that you should cut corners on.  This means forget about the Multitech
stuff.






Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/12/2001 11:34:37 AM

Please respond to NT System Admin Issues
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Subject:  RE: Voice over ip



Cisco  is the only product I have and would use for this.
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT:  Voice over ip



Anyone  doing VOIP ? Specifically using the MultiTech products?







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Re: Mac to PC

2001-09-12 Thread Kelly Borndale



What is he going to be doing? A lot of the stuff may be 
similar. Was he using Claris or MS Office?
K.Borndale

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  From: 
  Erik Brown 
  
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:23 
  PM
  Subject: Mac to PC
  We have a new VP that just started this week that is used to 
  working on aMAC. Is there a page out there anywhere that lists a MAC to PC 
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Re: Script not running at login on win 98 clients

2001-09-12 Thread Peter Pearson
Title: Message



any errors in the Event Viewer?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Zangara, Jim 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:18 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Script not running at login 
  on win 98 clients
  
  script was 
  working great until the hot fix - no replication - since it is only two 
  servers I copied it manually to the appropriate 
  directories.
  
  
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Today I dialed a wrong 
  number...The other person said, "Hello?" and I said, "Hello, could I speak to 
  Joey?"...They said, "Uh...I don't think so...he's only 2 months old." I said, 
  "I'll wait." -- Steven Wright 
  

-Original Message-From: Peter Pearson 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 
2001 9:18 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: 
Script not running at login on win 98 clients
Has the script ever run 
successfully?
Is the replication set up to replicate the 
script between PDC and BDC?
If so, have you set/changed the logon script 
location on the export server?

Peter

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Zangara, Jim 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
  12:10 PM
  Subject: Script not running at login 
  on win 98 clients
  
  Hello - 
  NT 4 SP6a Domain - Win 98 clients One PDC and one BDC both 
  Win NT 4 SP6a 
  Getting a strange problem here - 
  Win 98 clients are authenticating to the domain because 
  Outlook/Exchange is working fine but some of them do not get the login 
  script to run. No Errors - it just doesn't go. If I go to the 
  client and drill down through network neighborhood to the netlogin share 
  of the PDC I get an access denied message. If I drill down to the 
  netlogin share of the BDC I can run the script manually.
  If I reboot the PDC and do the same thing from the same 
  client I can run it manually. 
  I modified the two scripts and put the words PDC and BDC 
  in each of the respective scripts to see where they are running from - 
  from my test machine I have no issues but sometimes it runs from the BDC 
  and sometimes from the PDC.
  Verified the netlogin share is set to everyone. This 
  all started after applying the MS Security Rollup Hot fix. 
  Has anyone else seen this problem? Searched MS and 
  could only find the problem relating to win95 clients Q142672 that talks 
  about command line parameters - that does not seem related.
  TIA 
  Jim 
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jay Woody

And we could have easily sat back and waited until our continent (not just our 
territory) was attacked, but we didn't.  Sure the Sleeping Giant was awoke, but he 
didn't respond back to Japan only (or even primarily for that matter).  We can all sit 
back now and question why we didn't enter earlier.  It is easy to question policy when 
hindsight is 20/20.  However, what you can't question is whether or not America just 
beefed up it's on shores and waited for Germany to bring the war to them or whether 
they sent the kids overseas to stop a country that was attacking countries that are 
geographically nowhere near the contiguous 48 states.

America provided all of the help that Europe asked for, for years leading up to Pearl 
Harbor.  At the time no one knew that America should have entered on principal because 
no one was aware of the Final Plan and all that went along with it.

This is a perfect example of how people want America to stay out of their issues.  
This is was the attitude that De Galle and Churchill both expressed early on.  We 
provided them with what they asked for.  Japan attacked us and instead of just 
attacking them back America realized that it really needed to fight on both fronts.  
It did so and helped the world pull through.

Contrast that to Russia's position.  They were very similar to America and they were 
sticking it out also.  Russia entered into a treaty with Germany even.  Russia was 
then attacked by Germany.  They didn't immediately send a fleet over to the 
Philippines.  They didn't get with England and say, What do you need?  They 
fortified their borders and defended themselves.

Whether or not America entered early enough will always be debated.  Whether or not 
they were primarily responsible for winning is not.  Whether or not they could/should 
have just turned their fury on Japan and left Europe alone seems debatable to me.  
Whether or not they did so does not.

We didn't enter it as soon as we could (although I do believe it was as soon as we 
were asked).  But we most certainly did not fight this war as someone with THEIR 
security snip threatened. or it would have been handled on a different stage.  We 
had no known issue with Germany other than the fact that they were starting to beat 
our neighbors.

So in effect, America was fighting for itself as well.  Not unless we fought our war 
solely against Japan and I think a quick perusal of any history book will tell you 
that this is not what happened.

Germany would have let us clean Japan's clock if it would have meant us not entering 
into the European conflict.  We chose to not even try this route.  Again, I don't see 
how any of this was not helping our neighbors as they were given what they said they 
needed from us.

JayW

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM 
OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my
history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure
they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until
someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America
was fighting for itself as well.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


 We all won the war...
 The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
 We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not
boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had
already surrendered.  Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't
responsible for that win as many of the teams had already left the playing
field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved.
This goes back to the point that America does care about it's neighbors.
We all won the war... seems a little flippant and not in understanding
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all
winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.
Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for
Europeans, our neighbors.  To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the
terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.

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RE: Mac to PC

2001-09-12 Thread Erik Brown



Office 
2000. 

  -Original Message-From: Kelly Borndale 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
  11:40 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Mac to 
  PC
  What is he going to be doing? A lot of the stuff may 
  be similar. Was he using Claris or MS Office?
  K.Borndale
  
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  email
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Erik 
Brown 
To: NT System Admin 
Issues 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
12:23 PM
Subject: Mac to PC
We have a new VP that just started this week that is used to 
working on aMAC. Is there a page out there anywhere that lists a MAC to 
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win2k login script help

2001-09-12 Thread Gareth Campling

Hi all

  sorry for the newbie approach on this question but never touched
  login scripts has anyone got any links for a howto approach, ? just
  searching MS now but its grinding at a snail pace atm, so i thought
  turn to u lot out here  

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RE: Mac to PC

2001-09-12 Thread ntsysadmin

Get the book.  This book has step by step instructions on how to do this.

Mastering Windows NT 4.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0782126936/qid=1000312525/sr=1-1/ref=
sc_b_1/002-2106894-2076060
Mastering Windows 2000 Server.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0782128726/qid=1000312579/sr=1-1/ref=
sc_b_1/002-2106894-2076060

-Original Message-
From: Erik Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Mac to PC


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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread Murray Freeman
Title: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about



What 
fascinates me is that in theory there is only one God, it's just a matter of how 
one worships. Yet, understanding must be the key because more people have been 
killed and more wars fought with religion as the foundation than any other 
reason. Understanding others beliefs is the key, yet since man stood up and 
learned to speak and communicate, we still have a problem trying to understand 
other people's beliefs and point of view. It is my opinion that little 
improvement in human understanding exists nor will it ever. Everytime it appears 
that the Israelis and the Arabs are about to declare peace, it NEVER happens. 
Ofcourse, this comes from a Jew who is agnostic for sure and maybe 
atheistic.

Murray

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 
  2001 11:04 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about
  Last night while watching my son at Pop Warner football 
  practice, this tragedy was of course the topic of conversation. It's 
  amazing to me how many experts there are. 
  One guy was talking about why Muslims hate Christians. 
  Being pretty damn ignorant, I decided to do a little research this morning, 
  and found this site - www.islam-guide.com. Maybe it's watered down a 
  bit, and it doesn't explain religious fanaticism. But at least I 
  understand their religion a little bit better. 
  Just thought I throw this out. At least for me, 
  education and understanding goes a long way.  
  -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: 
  Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about 
  On top of Revelation, the book of Daniel also makes for an 
  interesting read. 
  I'm not going to use this forum (or my employer's time) to 
  proselytize. I would just encourage those who do not 
  believe that the Bible is the word of God to maybe 
  reconsider when Israel becomes involved in an all-out 
  war in the Middle East. If I'm wrong and the war never happens, 
  you can thumb your nose at me and laugh. But if I'm right and 
  the war DOES happen, grab yourself a Bible and start 
  reading it with the state of mind that it may not just 
  be a book full of fiction after all. Intellectuality 
  and faith are not mutually exclusive. 
  That's all I'm going to say on the matter, so please withhold 
  the flames (unless you want to send them to me 
  personally off the list). 
   John 
  Hornbuckle Network Manager Taylor County School District 318 North Clark 
  Street Perry, FL 32347 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Matthew Western [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:55 PM 
  To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: 
  Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about 
  Hi People, I'd just like to express 
  sadness to all the people in the US effected by the 
  attacks on US. I think it's disgusting and should be punished. 
  While people everywhere are in a state of 
  shock/uncertainty/fear it's worth thinking about where 
  each of us are going to spend our eternal destiny. The Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where 
  everyone will attack Israel and try to wipe them off 
  the face off the earth... Revelation is an interesting 
  book to read through Have a good day (and 
  think about the following excert). Regards Matthew 
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RE: Script not running at login on win 98 clients

2001-09-12 Thread Zangara, Jim
Title: Message



none at 
all


Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

One night I walked home 
very late and fell asleep in somebody's satellite dish. My dreams were showing 
up on TV's all over the world. -- Steven Wright 

  
  -Original Message-From: Peter Pearson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 
  2001 9:31 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: 
  Script not running at login on win 98 clients
  any errors in the Event Viewer?
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Zangara, Jim 
To: NT System Admin 
Issues 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
12:18 PM
Subject: RE: Script not running at 
login on win 98 clients

script 
was working great until the hot fix - no replication - since it is only two 
servers I copied it manually to the appropriate 
directories.


Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Today I dialed a wrong 
number...The other person said, "Hello?" and I said, "Hello, could I speak 
to Joey?"...They said, "Uh...I don't think so...he's only 2 months old." I 
said, "I'll wait." -- Steven Wright 

  
  -Original Message-From: Peter 
  Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 
  September 12, 2001 9:18 AMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: Re: Script not running at login on win 98 
  clients
  Has the script ever run 
  successfully?
  Is the replication set up to replicate the 
  script between PDC and BDC?
  If so, have you set/changed the logon script 
  location on the export server?
  
  Peter
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Zangara, Jim 
To: NT System Admin 
Issues 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
12:10 PM
Subject: Script not running at 
login on win 98 clients

Hello - 
NT 4 SP6a Domain - Win 98 clients One PDC and one BDC 
both Win NT 4 SP6a 
Getting a strange problem here - 
Win 98 clients are authenticating to the domain because 
Outlook/Exchange is working fine but some of them do not get the login 
script to run. No Errors - it just doesn't go. If I go to 
the client and drill down through network neighborhood to the netlogin 
share of the PDC I get an access denied message. If I drill down 
to the netlogin share of the BDC I can run the script 
manually.
If I reboot the PDC and do the same thing from the same 
client I can run it manually. 
I modified the two scripts and put the words PDC and BDC 
in each of the respective scripts to see where they are running from - 
from my test machine I have no issues but sometimes it runs from the BDC 
and sometimes from the PDC.
Verified the netlogin share is set to everyone. 
This all started after applying the MS Security Rollup Hot fix. 

Has anyone else seen this problem? Searched MS and 
could only find the problem relating to win95 clients Q142672 that talks 
about command line parameters - that does not seem 
related.
TIA 
Jim 
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Re: win2k login script help

2001-09-12 Thread Bryan Chapman

What is it you want to do? I may have one you can hack about to get your
thing working
- Original Message -
From: Gareth Campling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: win2k login script help


 Hi all

   sorry for the newbie approach on this question but never touched
   login scripts has anyone got any links for a howto approach, ? just
   searching MS now but its grinding at a snail pace atm, so i thought
   turn to u lot out here

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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Lentz, Wayne

Exactly.  Much like in IT, no practical level of security measures will
provide complete safety.  What happens when we allow even small intrusions
into our freedom is that those measure quickly become ineffective, requiring
another, deeper intrusion.  Over time our freedom is reduced to nil, and the
populace is still under threat of attack.

Pat-downs at an airport wont detect porcelain switchblades that can be
hidden in the colon.  Eric, would you like a full body cavity search before
boarding a commercial airliner, or a subway terminal, or a restaurant?  The
answer is not to relinquish our freedoms, though I imagine that is what will
happen.



-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


Give me 2 linemen in trench coats that have not shaved or showered in a
few days. Get up tell everyone we have a bomb. That is all it would
take. NO WEAPONS NEEDED, to hyjack a plane. How do you implement
security to solve that problem? 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


I, for one, would be willing to trade in some conveniences, but not
freedoms.  I would be totally fine with MUCH more heightened security at
airports.  Do you realize it is LEGAL to carry a knife with a 4 blade
onto a plane???  Because of people with pocket knives, my plane could
get hijacked.  I don't accept that.  On several occasions as I traveled,
security did not check what I put in the little dishes as I go through
the metal detector's.  I am asthmatic, and often carry an inhaler.  I
could have been mace, and I could have gotten it on board.  Delaying
passengers even an hour or two for every flight due to increased
security checks is not much in my mind to reduce the risk of this ever
happening again.  Anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Lentz, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


Andrew is absolutely correct.  We should not give up even small measures
of personal freedom for security.  Doing so would prove terrorism
against the US as a successful means of altering the American way of
life, and thus America itself.  We as a nation cannot allow that to
happen.

Wayne Lentz


-Original Message-
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --
Benjamin Franklin


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-Original Message-
From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by 
these cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic 
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we 
Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my
email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in 
no way am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
for them.  Many
of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
the off topic
discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.



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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Jim Busick

I think that after yesterday's events we would have to agree that nothing
will be the same. One of the things that will change is how passengers
perceive hijackings. Before yesterday passengers could assume that this was
a fly me to Cuba and they had a chance of living through it. Rules have
changed. A hijacking now could be a suicide mission, so unless the hijackers
have very lethal weapons (read guns) there's 50 of us and 5 of them. I don't
care if they are linebackers with knives, I know what I'm going to do and I
think that a lot of people are going to think the same including the pilots
and staff.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:38 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 Give me 2 linemen in trench coats that have not shaved or 
 showered in a
 few days. Get up tell everyone we have a bomb. That is all it would
 take. NO WEAPONS NEEDED, to hyjack a plane. How do you implement
 security to solve that problem? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 I, for one, would be willing to trade in some conveniences, but not
 freedoms.  I would be totally fine with MUCH more heightened 
 security at
 airports.  Do you realize it is LEGAL to carry a knife with a 4 blade
 onto a plane???  Because of people with pocket knives, my plane could
 get hijacked.  I don't accept that.  On several occasions as 
 I traveled,
 security did not check what I put in the little dishes as I go through
 the metal detector's.  I am asthmatic, and often carry an inhaler.  I
 could have been mace, and I could have gotten it on board.  Delaying
 passengers even an hour or two for every flight due to increased
 security checks is not much in my mind to reduce the risk of this ever
 happening again.  Anywhere.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lentz, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:21 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 Andrew is absolutely correct.  We should not give up even 
 small measures
 of personal freedom for security.  Doing so would prove terrorism
 against the US as a successful means of altering the American way of
 life, and thus America itself.  We as a nation cannot allow that to
 happen.
 
 Wayne Lentz
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:30 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 ~
 In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
 are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
 and privacy.
 ~
 
 To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
 cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
 think it will be better -- but it won't.
 
 A wise man once said:  They that can give up essential liberty to
 obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor 
 safety. --
 Benjamin Franklin
 
 
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  A nickel isn't worth a dime today. -- Yogi Berra.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: OT? perspective of events
 
 
 My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by 
 these cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
 us indirectly
 affected.
 
 Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
 in recent months
 there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's 
 electronic 
 snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we 
 Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
 and privacy.  As
 IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
 if someone had
 asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
 Carnivore.  Today,
 I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my
 email looking
 for suspicious activity.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic 
 discussion, in 
 no way am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
 for them.  Many
 of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
 the off topic
 discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.
 
 
 
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jay Woody

Trust me.  By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone conclusion that 
America was involved on both fronts.  We were already sending raw materials and 
weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.).  All that was missing was our people to shoot, 
drive, and fly them.

America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but headcount 
on the other front also.  Again, I would like to point out though that this is exactly 
what Europe had asked for.  Perhaps America needs to revisit this policy of helping 
out rather than stepping-in and trying to solve everything.  Although in this case, 
war was the eventual outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of 
Bosnia, Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in.  Of course those are my 
2 cents.  Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we don't.

JayW

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM 
Except that the US declared war on Japan only.  Germany and Italy
declared war on the US after that.

 -Original Message-
 From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
 OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but 
 if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out 
 WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure they provided equipment to 
 the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the 
 US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America 
 was fighting for itself as well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
  We all won the war...
  The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
  We all lost people in WWII.
 
 The point being here that until America entered into the 
 fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous 
 countries were defeated and had already surrendered.  Yes, we 
 all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win 
 as many of the teams had already left the playing field.  
 And it obviously wasn't going well before America got 
 involved. This goes back to the point that America does care 
 about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a 
 little flippant and not in understanding with what was going 
 on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning 
 the war until America came over and gave it's kids for 
 foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  
 Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors.  To 
 now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) 
 had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.
 
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