Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Paul Stenquist wrote:

Marlene doesn't want me to discuss her condition, and I find myself reaching 
out on other topics, which feels heartless, but deflecting may well be worse.


We all understand.



A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known this was inevitable 
since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery 
he looked defeated. "I wish I had gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there 
hope? I asked. There is always hope," he said, head hanging.

Today,Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago and they laughed and even 
danced a little. (She was with Marlene when we met at a bar in February 1971.) 
A rare good day, but all we can realistically do now is wait and hug and 
whisper words of love.

Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.


As I see friends commenting all too often these days,
Fuck Cancer

Know that you are in the thoughts and hearts of your friends all over the world.



Paul via phone
Paul via phone


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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Sandy Harris wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:


It's all arrived and tested. After years of playing with so many Pentax bodies 
and lenses, this is my favorite Pentax kit of all:

   https://flic.kr/p/AfvZpS

Pentax K-01 Marc Newsom in Yellow
FA43mm f/1.9 Limited in Pewter with Voigtländer 75mm optical finder
DA21mm f/3.4 Limited in Black with Voigtländer 35mm optical finder

It's exactly what I like to shoot with, fits in a tiny bag, weighs almost 
nothing, and makes very very nice photos!

All Hail the Pentaxian!


Sounds fine. Hope you enjoy it&  get some great shots.

My rig is rather similar. I have 21 Limited&  DA 50 1.8. My current
body is a K100D, but I want to upgrade when budget allows.

I was thinking K-S2. Compared to K-01 it is over 100g heavier, but has
a viewfinder, articulated screen&  built-in wifi. Of course I could
look for a K-01 instead&  that would likely be cheaper. Does anyone
have comments on the choice?


Try to hold each of them in your hands first.  I quite disliked the feel 
of the K-S2. If my hand was positioned so that my finger was on the 
shutter, the corner dug into my palm. If I held it comfortably, my 
forefinger rested on the scroll wheel rather than the shutter.


If you are still shooting with a K100D, then even upgrading to a used 
K-r will astound you with its performance and a K-5 will boggle you.


My understanding is that the base performance of the K50, K-S1 and K-S2 
are all pretty similar, I don't know how they differ in body shape and feel.






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Re: OT (WAY OT): Entertainment Recommendations

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

This is mostly for the Americans on the list, especially those near
NYC, but I am sure the movie will play abroad as well, if not the
play.

As an attorney, I am embarrassed by the offerings on American TV
these days about lawyers and the law.  IMO, they are all salacious
soap operas that perpetuate gross misunderstanding about the law and
legal process in a democracy.  Theatrically, the constitute a big pile
of crap.


It is my experience that to a first, or even a second, approximation the 
representation of anything on TV or in movies is a load of crap.




There are, however, two current events that portray legal issues in a
thoughtful way, and
are at the same time immensely entertaining:  I recommend them both very highly:

Allegiance:  A new Broadway Musical about the Japanese internment
camps during WW II.  The play was inspired by the experience of George
Takei (Mr Sulu of Star Trek), who was imprisoned at age 5 for the
crime of being a Japanese American.  It is also the story of a family
divided by their choices - one to fight for America in Europe (like
Sen Dan Inoue) and one to protest racism and injustice.  Takei appears
in two roles, but the stars are Tony Award-winner Lea Salonga (Miss
Saigon and Mulan) and Telly Leung, who had a featured role on “Glee.”
I highly recommend this for the story and the music -- and of course
to see Takei, one of the treasures of our internet culture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/theater/george-takei-guides-allegiance-a-musical-not-a-starship.html?_r=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegiance_(musical)


Very interesting. My sensei, Glen Kimoto, was two or three when his 
family was sent to internment camps. Like Takei, his memories of the 
time are not necessarily bad ones.


Glen did mention that the US asked his father to join the military, and 
his response was "Sure, as soon as you let my family out of the camp".




Bridge of Spies:  A new movie by Spielberg, Hanks and the Coen
Brothers.  A great rendering of the Red Scare of the 1950s, and the
story of James Donovanan, an attorney who risked his career, his life
and even his family to do the right thing, not once, but at least
three times.This is spell-binding drama, and a story that need to be told.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/26/bridge-of-spies-ignores-the-most-important-character-of-the-cold-war/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3682448/
http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/bridge-of-spies/


Interesting, that one was on my radar.



Try them both, if you are near New York or will visit there in the
near future.  At least wee the movie and take your children and older
grandchildren to see it, I guarantee you and they will have a great
time and learn some important parts of our history.  Ann and I grew up
in this era, but I
don't think younger people are taught much about what went on  during
WW II and the Cold War.


I was surprised that Zab, who is 51, not only didn't know about the U-2, 
but she didn't know about Gary Powers either. She did eventually connect 
the SR-71 with various stories I've posted on social media (specifically 
the sled driver ground speed check).




Dan Matyola
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RE: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread Malcolm Smith
Boris Liberman wrote:

> Malcolm,
> 
> Sorry to join late...
> 
> If you *absolutely* have to have WR lens, then I think that 16-85 is
> preferable. The difference between 18 and 16 mm on wide end is
> significant. It will give you more interesting compositional
> opportunities. The difference between 85 and 135 mm on the long end is
> less significant, because both are part of 55-300 range.
> 
> However, if WR is not mandatory, then I should suggest that neither of
> these lenses is interesting. At least to me they are not. I prefer
> faster lenses, for these reasons: possibility to get sharper images at
> wider apertures, more play with DOF, more options for low light
> photography without having to raise the ISO too much. To that end I
> suggest Sigma 17-70 lenses. If you can, Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.0
> Contemporary is said to be very good. If you cannot (shameless plug
> here), I can easily enable you with very cheap Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 as I
> am going to upgrade to Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.0 Contemporary anyway.
> 
> There is another option - you could buy Tamron 28-75/2.8 or Sigma
> 24-60/2.8 (another shameless plug, as I want to sell mine to finance
> that upgrade, I mentioned above). They would give you widest aperture
> and get you ready for incoming full frame camera, should you ever want
> to upgrade. Both are inexpensive these days and having had the former
> and having the latter, I should say - they are quite excellent.
> 
> Sorry for the plugs... HTH

Thanks Boris. The WR lenses have me, so it really is a choice of those,
although had this been the start of Summer I may have felt differently, but
I want a lens that I will use straight away - and it's raining yet again as
I type this, the sky is saying 'WR'.

Most of these choice issues comes back to knowing what you like to take
pictures of, and until the last year or so it would really have been
landscape and 'everything else', which leads you down the road to buying
what you think is good at the time. I pretty much know what I like now, and
that at least leads me more in the right direction. 

The next issue I have is more about acquiring skills than equipment, and I'd
like to do a studio lighting course so I can improve the range of abstract
photography I enjoy.

Malcolm 


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RE: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread Malcolm Smith
Igor wrote:

> Malcolm,
> 
> I haven't used any of these lenses, but I was thinking about a similar
> question.
> Just in case you haven't seen this review, - it might give you some
> impression of this lens, and answer some technical questions, including
> some comparisons between different lenses in this range:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/reviews/hd-pentax-da-16-85mm-f35-
> 56/general-image-quality.html
> (It is spread over many pages, - this is just one of them, so use the
> arrows to go "left" and "right".)
> 
> My lens is 17-70/4. I like it. It is not perfect: it is good at the
> wide end, but becomes less sharp in the 50-70 range.
> But I've stopped carrying 18-250 which is more "universal" in favor of
> 17-70 which provides better quality for me, and I always have 50-135
> for when I need the higher quality for 50+ mm.
> I value the extra "17" vs. "18"mm, and the constant f/4 aperture.
> (f/5.6 becomes a bit too slow for my needs.)
> 
> So, as other people pointed out you'd probably need to figure out what
> your most frequent subjects/scenes demand, and go from there..
> Alternatively, you might buy just the lens that you _want_ to have. :-)

I hadn't seen that review Igor, and I had a good read of it last night. I
like the 17-70mm, particularly the fact it is f4 across the whole range but
I want the WR lens, particularly at this time of year.

What I'd really like to have will wait for another year :-)

Malcolm


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RE: High tide

2015-10-30 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bob W wrote:
 
> Not sure if this link will work, but I'll give it a try.
> 
> High tide in Greenwich earlier today, taken with my phone.
> 
> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=439D213A93634DD4!105870=!
> AEJ73VLiIcHsff8=album%2c

Always amazed at what a phone camera can produce with the right person
taking the image. I like these a lot.

For the first time, I now have a phone with a camera. I've yet to take a
picture with it, because I feel more self conscious about using it than I
would a DSLR. I must be missing out, as I don't always go out with a camera,
but I do a phone, so it is worth overcoming this.

Malcolm


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Re: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Boris Liberman wrote:

Igor, personally I translate "limited" designation into "unusual and
therefore costly". And the "*" designation to "professional and hence
expensive".


While wikipedia is not a definitive source, it can still be valuable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_(lens)

FA lenses[edit]

Pentax smc FA 35mm f2
These lenses are designed with use for full-frame film SLR cameras. As 
with the F series, they feature an aperture ring providing compatibility 
with older camera bodies. Autofocus is like the F series of screw-drive 
type. The FA* lenses are professional grade lenses and the FA Limited 
lenses are all metal high quality primes. The FA series has been 
superseded by the DA and D FA series optimized for digital cameras, but 
as of March 2015 the three FA limited as well as the FA 35 mm f2 and 50 
mm f1.4 are still in production.[4]


DA Limited lenses[edit]
These are high quality (mostly prime) lenses with the lens housing made 
of metal. They usually have a wider maximum aperture compared to zooms 
but narrower as compared to other prime lenses. This is a compromise as 
DA Limited lenses are usually made to be much more compact than other 
primes lenses. In August 2013 the DA Limited lenses were upgraded with 
Pentax new HD coating, replacing the previous smc coating.[9] The new HD 
lenses are also available in both silver and black, as opposed to only 
black.


The DA 35/2.8 Macro was co-developed with Tokina.[6] As of February 
2015, the DA 20-40mm F2.8-4 Limited DC WR announced in November 2013[10] 
stands out for being both the only zoom as well as the only weather 
resistant lens of the series.



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Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread Dario Bonazza

I've been there, for my father, exactly one year ago.
Following his ordeal hour after hour, day after day.
So I understand well, dear friend.
You are in my heart and thoughts.
Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: Larry Colen

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 7:48 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Marlene



Paul Stenquist wrote:
Marlene doesn't want me to discuss her condition, and I find myself 
reaching out on other topics, which feels heartless, but deflecting may 
well be worse.


We all understand.



A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much 
known this was inevitable since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside 
the OR, 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery he looked defeated. "I 
wish I had gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there hope? I asked. 
There is always hope," he said, head hanging.


Today,Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago and they laughed and 
even danced a little. (She was with Marlene when we met at a bar in 
February 1971.) A rare good day, but all we can realistically do now is 
wait and hug and whisper words of love.


Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at 
getting more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.


As I see friends commenting all too often these days,
Fuck Cancer

Know that you are in the thoughts and hearts of your friends all over the 
world.




Paul via phone
Paul via phone


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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 08:38 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> >> http://eil.com/images/main/Peter-Paul--Marty-Peter-Paul--Marty-564820.jpg
> >
> >
> > So there really is (was) a Peter, Paul&  Marty.
> >
> > A little Googling found they were former members of The New Seekers and
> > released one album (1973) with 11 tracks.  "Blowin' in the Wind" wasn't
> > one of them...
> 
> I cannot help but appreciate the detailed level of improvisational 
> pedantry on this list.


Are we not the Pedantry Discuss Mailing List??


Cheers

Brian

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Bob W-PDML
http://eil.com/images/main/Peter-Paul--Marty-Peter-Paul--Marty-564820.jpg

> On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:17, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> Marty??
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:
>>> It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding home
>>> listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.
>>> 
>>> Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.
>>> 
>>> Hmmm...
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frsnk
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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Jack Davis wrote:

Find it hard to open, Larry?


As it says in the name of the album:

Plier, with booze.


My problem with Scotch is finding it hard to close. te-he

J

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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:11:05 PM
Subject: PESO  Friday morning humor (retry and test)

I thought I sent this out a while ago, but it never showed up in either
my pdml nor my Sent folders. There has been some wonkiness in my network
connection lately too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/22424033000/in/album-72157660557640441/



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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Brian Walters wrote:

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

http://eil.com/images/main/Peter-Paul--Marty-Peter-Paul--Marty-564820.jpg



So there really is (was) a Peter, Paul&  Marty.

A little Googling found they were former members of The New Seekers and
released one album (1973) with 11 tracks.  "Blowin' in the Wind" wasn't
one of them...


I cannot help but appreciate the detailed level of improvisational 
pedantry on this list.







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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Only this is Blowin' in the Wind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4nVByCL44

I met Dylan about 55 years ago, when he was following Joan Baez around
on tour like her little puppy dog.

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Brian Walters wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>>
>>> http://eil.com/images/main/Peter-Paul--Marty-Peter-Paul--Marty-564820.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> So there really is (was) a Peter, Paul&  Marty.
>>
>> A little Googling found they were former members of The New Seekers and
>> released one album (1973) with 11 tracks.  "Blowin' in the Wind" wasn't
>> one of them...
>
>
> I cannot help but appreciate the detailed level of improvisational pedantry
> on this list.
>
>
>>
>
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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread John

On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


From: "Mark Roberts" 

If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

Painfully inept work!


Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it was a
joke at first.




It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't know
how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to do it
for you.

Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".


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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
With today's prices for the Lag, a wee dram is not only traditional,
but all I can afford.
My wife hates whisky.  Come to think of it, perhaps that's why I chose
her.She, however, was sober, so it is a mystery why she chose
me!

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Plier, with booze.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great pun.
>>>
>>> She would have to been someone really sensational for me to use my
>>> Lagavulin 16 on her.
>>
>>
>> I, on the other hand, use demonstrations of my impeccable taste as an
>> integral part of courtship.
>
>
> Besides, it gives me an excuse to pour a wee dram for myself.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Plier, with booze.


Great pun.

She would have to been someone really sensational for me to use my
Lagavulin 16 on her.


I, on the other hand, use demonstrations of my impeccable taste as an 
integral part of courtship.




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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I love it, except they misspelled "Whisky."

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
>
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> With today's prices for the Lag, a wee dram is not only traditional,
>> but all I can afford.
>> My wife hates whisky.  Come to think of it, perhaps that's why I chose
>> her.   She, however, was sober, so it is a mystery why she chose
>> me!
>
>
> If you're ever in the area, stop by for a tour of the Isles.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660565535761
>
> I apologize for the poor technical and artistic quality of the photos, but I
> think the subject matter will make up for those minor flaws.
>
> One of the side effects of not being a big drinker, but enjoying exploring
> new things is that my single malt collection grew over the years.
>
>
>
> Then there is this that showed up in my email as I was replying:
>
>
> https://funstuffpeoplesendme.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/bars-are-different-in-scotlande2808f004.jpg
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OT: It's been a long day.

2015-10-30 Thread John

Had to get the power company in this morning to drop my service so the
tree removal company could take down the mulberry tree that tore up my
roof. Also had them take down a fairly large walnut tree.

Now I've got a huge pile of tree branches in my back yard to cut up &
chip up. I've also got a lot of firewood to split.

Power company just left from reconnecting my power & it looks like
everything came back up Ok. Power was out for a little over 8 hours.
I'll give it a couple of hours before I open the refrigerator & hope it
kept enough cold that the food inside didn't spoil.

I'll try to make a PESO of the limb pile tomorrow. I'm just too tired to
do it today.




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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen




Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

With today's prices for the Lag, a wee dram is not only traditional,
but all I can afford.
My wife hates whisky.  Come to think of it, perhaps that's why I chose
her.   She, however, was sober, so it is a mystery why she chose
me!


If you're ever in the area, stop by for a tour of the Isles.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157660565535761

I apologize for the poor technical and artistic quality of the photos, 
but I think the subject matter will make up for those minor flaws.


One of the side effects of not being a big drinker, but enjoying 
exploring new things is that my single malt collection grew over the years.




Then there is this that showed up in my email as I was replying:


https://funstuffpeoplesendme.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/bars-are-different-in-scotlande2808f004.jpg



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Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread John
I hope that she will have peace & surcease from pain. I hope that you 
will find them as well.


On 10/29/2015 11:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Marlene doesn't want me to discuss her condition, and I find myself reaching 
out on other topics, which feels heartless, but honesty may well be worse.

A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known this was inevitable 
since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery 
he looked defeated. "I wish I had gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there 
hope? I asked. There is always hope," he said, head hanging.

Today,Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago and they laughed and even 
danced a little. (She was with Marlene when we met at a bar in February 1971.) 
A rare good day, but all we can realistically do now is wait and hug and 
whisper words of love.

Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.

Paul via phone
Paul via phone

Paul via phone



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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Darren Addy
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> As it says in the name of the album:
>
> Plier, with booze.


"Booze" is to Lagavulin as "Broad" is to woman.

Now I've gone and broken my own rule: Never anthropomorphize Scotch.
It HATES it when you do that.

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread John

Maybe where to get free music downloads from?

On 10/30/2015 3:16 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.

On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

Marty??

Cheers

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:

It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding home
listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.

Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.

Hmmm...

Cheers,

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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Bill

On 10/30/2015 1:55 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Painfully inept work!


Proof positive that if mommy will pay for your internet connection, you 
can put fucked up crap on the internet.


J

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 11:55:43 AM
Subject: World's worst photo tutorial

If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r





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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Bill

On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.

My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got 
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in 
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because 
the butter at least has some calcium in it.



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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 09:39 AM, John wrote:
> On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Jack Davis wrote:
> >
> >> From: "Mark Roberts" 
> >>
> >> If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
> >> said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
> >> http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique
> >>
> >> Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
> >> favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
> >> cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r
> >>
> >> Painfully inept work!
> >
> > Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it was a
> > joke at first.
> >
> >
> 
> It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't know
> how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to do it
> for you.
> 
> Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".


Bummer, it's $110 if you live in Australia.  At first I thought that
might be due to the exchange rate but the $110 is US dollars.

Downunder discrimination lives!!



Cheers

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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
OOOH!

My favorite whisky.

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I thought I sent this out a while ago, but it never showed up in either my
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>
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Bob W-PDML
Everything we think we know is just a sea urchin dreaming.

B

> On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:53, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
> sentient being since it's an animal. 
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
>> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend 
>>> or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>>> 
>>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates 
>>> are pretty much off limits, too.
>>> 
>>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially 
>>> advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, 
>>> fish or anything else that feels pain?
>>> 
>>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>>> at least for me.
>>> 
>>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
  wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
 wrote:
> Nice photo anyway.
 
 Thanks, Frank.
 
 I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
 don't need my understanding or approval.
 At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> 

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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Plier, with booze.


Great pun.

She would have to been someone really sensational for me to use my
Lagavulin 16 on her.


I, on the other hand, use demonstrations of my impeccable taste as an
integral part of courtship.


Besides, it gives me an excuse to pour a wee dram for myself.








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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread Carlos R.

El 30/10/2015 a las 0:37, Sandy Harris escribió:


My rig is rather similar. I have 21 Limited & DA 50 1.8. My current
body is a K100D, but I want to upgrade when budget allows.

I was thinking K-S2. Compared to K-01 it is over 100g heavier, but has
a viewfinder, articulated screen & built-in wifi. Of course I could
look for a K-01 instead & that would likely be cheaper. Does anyone
have comments on the choice?



I've had a K-S2 for a pair of months. It's a wonderful camera, although 
adapting to the user interface and ergonomics has been a challenge for 
me, as I have been shooting with a K-7 (which I still have and use) for 
many years.
I think it would be a very good choice, it is a fast and responsive 
camera with an excellent sensor and the same focusing system of the 
K-5IIs, and it also has the slightly improved viewfinder of the K-3. 
Compared with the K100D, it is an enormous upgrade.


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FS Fryday

2015-10-30 Thread Collin B
1. MX body. It's on eBay.  http://stores.ebay.com/presuppapologetics?_rdc=1
2. 18-135.  I like it, but I like my old FA28-105 better.  So this goes.
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Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Marlene is very private, do Im loathe to discuss her condition, but I find 
myself mentioning her battle when I'm speaking on other topics, and that feels 
heartless.  Perhaps  honesty is better.

A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known 
this was inevitable since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 13 
months ago. After six hours in surgery he looked defeated. "I wish I had gotten 
to this years ago," he said. "Is there hope? I asked. There is always hope," he 
said, head hanging. 

Today, Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago. Marlene got out of bed for 
several hours, and they laughed and even danced a little. (She was with Marlene 
when we met at a bar in February 1971.) A rare good day, but rewarding for all. 
But it remains that all we can realistically do now is wait and hug and whisper 
words of love.

Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.

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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote:

>my favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
>cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

Step 6 is a close second: "dogde" and burn

I know spelling flames are a bit lame, but this isn't an email or
usenet post, it's a "tutorial" (in the loosest sense of the word)
that's posted on a web site and should have been proofread – or at
least spellchecked – first.
 
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/30/2015 4:29 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling  wrote:

On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:


On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
Nice photo anyway.

Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 

Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.

Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.

That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.

Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically 
imposable, no matter how you slice it.


It ends with mad cow disease

B

Only if the Prions exist in the cows brains to begin with.

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

I assume if it's by Peter Paul and Marty it better be free.

On 10/30/2015 6:43 PM, John wrote:

Maybe where to get free music downloads from?

On 10/30/2015 3:16 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.

On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

Marty??

Cheers

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:

It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding home
listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.

Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.

Hmmm...

Cheers,

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread knarf
Well, for the record what I downloaded was the Peter, Paul and Mary version. I 
had no idea there really was a Peter, Paul and Marty. 

Also for the record I also have the original Dylan version which is much 
superior.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 9:27:21 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:
>I assume if it's by Peter Paul and Marty it better be free.
>
>On 10/30/2015 6:43 PM, John wrote:
>> Maybe where to get free music downloads from?
>>
>> On 10/30/2015 3:16 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
 Marty??

 Cheers

 Brian

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 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:
> It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding
>home
> listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.
>
> Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Cheers,
>
> frsnk
> -- 
>
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>>
>>

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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Darren Addy wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

As it says in the name of the album:

Plier, with booze.



"Booze" is to Lagavulin as "Broad" is to woman.


What can I say, it's broad humor.



Now I've gone and broken my own rule: Never anthropomorphize Scotch.
It HATES it when you do that.



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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
I didn't say it was natural, I said there was a lot of soy used.  Even 
herbivores need amino acids to build proteins, more building blocks make 
for faster growth.


On 10/31/2015 12:14 AM, knarf wrote:

According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber 
milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration.

Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can 
account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire 
plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then 
stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and 
breaks down the plant cell walls."

That's for beef cattle, anyway.

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
one.



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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I LOVE that cartoon!

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
> said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
> http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique
>
> Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
> favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
> cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r
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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

That was on my door when I was a graduate student.

On 10/30/2015 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


I LOVE that cartoon!
http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

 It's a classic, eh? It's a favorite among scientists, too.

BTW, that "tutorial" bugged me so much I blogged about it:
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=1789

  



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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread knarf
According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and 
fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of 
the ration.

Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can 
account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the 
entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher 
moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where 
fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls."

That's for beef cattle, anyway. 

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. 

Cheers,

frank

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>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough 
>nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was 
>lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable 
>grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the 
>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
>one.

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



knarf wrote:

Well, for the record what I downloaded was the Peter, Paul and Mary version. I 
had no idea there really was a Peter, Paul and Marty.

Also for the record I also have the original Dylan version which is much 
superior.


In my experience, Dylan's music is almost universally improved by the 
musicians who covered it.


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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 6:42 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

As it says in the name of the album:

Plier, with booze.


"Booze" is to Lagavulin as "Broad" is to woman.

Now I've gone and broken my own rule: Never anthropomorphize Scotch.
It HATES it when you do that.


Booze was the name of a bottle maker, and Coors got into the beer
business because they made the beer bottles. I think I detect an
unfortunate trend here.



Interesting, when I looked up the definition on google I got:

Origin

Middle English bouse, from Middle Dutch būsen ‘drink to excess.’ The 
spelling booze dates from the 18th century.



From the Oxford:
Origin

Middle English bouse, from Middle Dutch būsen 'drink to excess'. The 
spelling booze dates from the 18th century.


MORE
People have been boozing for a long time. The spelling booze dates from 
the 18th century, but as bouse the word entered English in the 13th 
century, probably from Dutch. We have been going to the boozer, or pub, 
since the 1890s.







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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/30/2015 6:42 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

As it says in the name of the album:

Plier, with booze.


"Booze" is to Lagavulin as "Broad" is to woman.

Now I've gone and broken my own rule: Never anthropomorphize Scotch.
It HATES it when you do that.

Booze was the name of a bottle maker, and Coors got into the beer 
business because they made the beer bottles.  I think I detect an 
unfortunate trend here.


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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/30/2015 7:33 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't 
one.


My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got 
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in 
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because 
the butter at least has some calcium in it.



No even the native Maize is poor nutrition, in comparison to just about 
every other grass crop.  Living in New England we actually have a few 
small farmers growing legacy corn and it doesn't have a lot more 
vitamins and protein than the yellow stuff you buy in the supermarket.  
Just a lot less sugar.


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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread Darren Addy
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:09 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> The K-50 is still available new, and it's a bit more traditional than the
> K-S2.  No blinky lights...

When you speak of blinky lights, I think you are thinking of the K-S1,
not the K-S2.
Speaking of which, the K-S1 with kit lens is only $199 (after $100
rebate) at Samy's:

Blinky lights aside, that's a seriously stupid price for a 20MP camera
with 5.4 fps and an optical viewfinder. The K-S1 also can take
advantage of the 16 GB Pentax FLU-card for tethering to your phone or
tablet via web browser. That's a crazy amount of features available
for the money. I've got half a mind to sell my K-01 and upgrade to the
K-S1 as my back-up camera.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Pentax-K-S1-versus-Pentax-K-01___971_783
That doesn't tell the whole story however.
The K-S1 can also bracket up to 5 EV (K-01 is 3EV) and has a faster
shortest shutter speed (1/6000) to the K-01's 1/4000. Also the maximum
ISO doubles the K-01.

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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/30/2015 7:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


From: "Mark Roberts" 

If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

Painfully inept work!

Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it was a
joke at first.

It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't know
how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to do it
for you.

Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".

Indeed. I hadn't bothered looking at the rest of the site but you
appear to have got the gist of it.

  


Well crap, I can make my own press credentials, I was forced to for a 
paper I worked for at one time.  No one ever questioned them.


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Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

2015-10-30 Thread David Mann
That stinks.  I'm glad to say that CS5 is working fine for me on 10.11.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
The K-50 is still available new, and it's a bit more traditional than 
the K-S2.  No blinky lights, less capable, (or so the advertising 
puffery implies), video, and no extras to make selfies better.  However 
the 18-55 kit is under $400.00 at B Photo, (probably the same almost 
everywhere), body only under $300.  If you're looking at the K-01 as an 
alternative, the K-50 is an obvious choice as far as IQ goes.


From what I can tell don't give up anything in image quality, to K-S2.  
Hell it's weather sealed.  If I didn't already have a backup body, I'd 
be giving it serious consideration especially at that price.


On 10/29/2015 7:37 PM, Sandy Harris wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:


It's all arrived and tested. After years of playing with so many Pentax bodies 
and lenses, this is my favorite Pentax kit of all:

   https://flic.kr/p/AfvZpS

Pentax K-01 Marc Newsom in Yellow
FA43mm f/1.9 Limited in Pewter with Voigtländer 75mm optical finder
DA21mm f/3.4 Limited in Black with Voigtländer 35mm optical finder

It's exactly what I like to shoot with, fits in a tiny bag, weighs almost 
nothing, and makes very very nice photos!

All Hail the Pentaxian!

Sounds fine. Hope you enjoy it & get some great shots.

My rig is rather similar. I have 21 Limited & DA 50 1.8. My current
body is a K100D, but I want to upgrade when budget allows.

I was thinking K-S2. Compared to K-01 it is over 100g heavier, but has
a viewfinder, articulated screen & built-in wifi. Of course I could
look for a K-01 instead & that would likely be cheaper. Does anyone
have comments on the choice?




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Re: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
I think Limited has more to do with build quality than optical 
excellence.  Don't get me wrong, I love the 43mm limited, and I love 
it's optical characteristics, but honestly the FA 20-35mm is easily as 
sharp at f4.0 it's maximum aperture, and has just as pleasing a 
rendition under most circumstances.  What the 43mm has is a machined 
aircraft aluminum body, and old school optical design.


On 10/29/2015 4:57 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Alan,

I don't know if it was just a rhetorical question or not.
Until recently, I had thought that "Limited" designation was limited 
[sic!] to primes lenses. And for the "*" designation zooms had to have 
constant aperture and be parfocal (as opposed to varifocal).
(Of course, those criteria were in addition to the great optical and 
build quality.)


The recent introduction of 20-40 f/2.8-4 lens broke both of those rules.
So, I think both of those designations now mean close to what 
"reserve" means for wines: "We thought we can charge extra for this 
product, and we hope this designation will help the sales".


Also, I thought the lenses had to be fast in their class. But 
21mm-f/3.2 was pushing that criterion as well.


Still, I would be surprised to see any of those designations on a 
f/3.5-5.6 lens.


Also, the 16-85/3.5-5.6 is suspiciously similar in the specs to the 
one from Nikon. By any chance, - do they share the design?

(I.e. is it possible that the lens optical design was done by the same
3rd party? I do not see any discussion about that upon a quick search 
in Google.)


Igor


Alan C Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:26:10 -0700 wrote:

Very erudite reasoning. I also have the 18-55/55-300 combo which gives 
perfectly acceptable results in most circumstances. Although I do have 
other lenses, they are all inferior optically except for the Pentax M 
50mm 1.7 & the Sunactinon A 28mm 2.8. The 16-85 is so highly rated one 
wonders how it missed "limited" or "*" status.



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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
The K-S2 may not have the LEDs in the grip, but it still has the light 
up OK button, the light up GPS button and the Light up Shutter button, 
all of which are too blinky for me.


All the other things that the K-S2 can do are wonderful, but unless you 
use them the only reason to pay extra money is for the extra resolution, 
which isn't really that big a deal.


I don't know about you but I was never excited about the K-S1. One look 
at it and I knew a.) it was aimed at Hipsters and Japanese school girls, 
and b.) it would actually fail in the Hipster market.  Which it appears 
to have done.  The Camera Store called it one of the worst cameras of 
the year, when it was introduced, not that I take everything they say as 
gospel, but their analysis matched mine so I'll take it.  The K-01 was 
at least interesting, a bad misfire, maybe, but interesting.


On 10/30/2015 9:35 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:09 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

The K-50 is still available new, and it's a bit more traditional than the
K-S2.  No blinky lights...

When you speak of blinky lights, I think you are thinking of the K-S1,
not the K-S2.
Speaking of which, the K-S1 with kit lens is only $199 (after $100
rebate) at Samy's:

Blinky lights aside, that's a seriously stupid price for a 20MP camera
with 5.4 fps and an optical viewfinder. The K-S1 also can take
advantage of the 16 GB Pentax FLU-card for tethering to your phone or
tablet via web browser. That's a crazy amount of features available
for the money. I've got half a mind to sell my K-01 and upgrade to the
K-S1 as my back-up camera.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Pentax-K-S1-versus-Pentax-K-01___971_783
That doesn't tell the whole story however.
The K-S1 can also bracket up to 5 EV (K-01 is 3EV) and has a faster
shortest shutter speed (1/6000) to the K-01's 1/4000. Also the maximum
ISO doubles the K-01.




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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>I LOVE that cartoon!

>http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

 It's a classic, eh? It's a favorite among scientists, too.

BTW, that "tutorial" bugged me so much I blogged about it:
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Re: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread David Mann
On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:

> The next issue I have is more about acquiring skills than equipment

But equipment is such a good substitute for skill!

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RE: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread John Coyle
Thinking of you Paul - sometimes that course is the only way to go.


John in Brisbane



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Marlene doesn't want me to discuss her condition, and I find myself reaching 
out on other topics,
which feels heartless, but deflecting may well be worse.

A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known 
this was inevitable
since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 13 months ago. After 
six hours in surgery he
looked defeated. "I wish I had gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there 
hope? I asked. There is
always hope," he said, head hanging. 

Today,Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago and they laughed and even 
danced a little. (She
was with Marlene when we met at a bar in February 1971.) A rare good day, but 
all we can
realistically do now is wait and hug and whisper words of love.

Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
they're beating the
disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting more Medicare and 
insurance dollars. Fuck
them.

Paul via phone
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Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

2015-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
CS4 officially went unsupported (and wonky) on OS X about Lion or Mountain Lion 
introduction time. That's several years ago! I'm amazed you were still running 
it, Paul.

I have CS5.1, which still seems usable on El Capitan. I've hardly used it, 
however. I've geared most of my work to be either 'done' as it comes out of the 
camera, or to take very light tuning in Lightroom only. 

Godfrey


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> 
> That stinks.  I'm glad to say that CS5 is working fine for me on 10.11.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
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>> confirmed, that the CS4 suite software is incompatible with the latest OS. 
>> My Photoshop 6 works fine, and thats the software I use most often, but I do 
>> occasionally need InDesign and frequently use Adobe Acrobat Pro. I’m now 
>> trying to figure out if I can install an Adobe Acrobat DC upgrade with an 
>> Adobe Acrobat Pro 9 serial number. 

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Re: PESO ~ A portrait in window light

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
Basically as there seems to be no damage to the maiden more likely an 
indicator of extreme passion.


On 10/30/2015 9:58 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:48 PM, knarf  wrote:

That ripped top is a bit of a distraction to m

The ripped top also could support an inference that this is an image
to document an assault on the lovely young lady.

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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Alan C

"Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because
the butter at least has some calcium in it."

Saturated fats too!

Alan C

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On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.


My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because
the butter at least has some calcium in it.


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Re: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



David Mann wrote:

On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:


The next issue I have is more about acquiring skills than equipment


But equipment is such a good substitute for skill!


It has worked for me for years.



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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Alan C
Come on, come on, maize is actually very nutritious. The staple diet of 
Africa. We even import yours in times drought like now. An how would a 
boerseuntjie survive without pap en wors?


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: P.J. Alling

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 AM
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On 10/30/2015 7:33 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.

My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got 
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in 
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the 
butter at least has some calcium in it.




No even the native Maize is poor nutrition, in comparison to just about
every other grass crop.  Living in New England we actually have a few
small farmers growing legacy corn and it doesn't have a lot more
vitamins and protein than the yellow stuff you buy in the supermarket.
Just a lot less sugar.

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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen



Mark Roberts wrote:

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


I LOVE that cartoon!



http://tinyurl.com/phae39r


  It's a classic, eh? It's a favorite among scientists, too.

BTW, that "tutorial" bugged me so much I blogged about it:
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=1789


You didn't even comment that everything he says to do in photoshop can 
be done in lightroom.







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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Alan C

Perhaps this will change your perspective?

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/radical-conservation/2015/aug/04/plants-intelligent-sentient-book-brilliant-green-internet

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: knarf

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:14 AM
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According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and 
fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion 
of the ration.


Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It 
can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is 
the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher 
moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where 
fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls."


That's for beef cattle, anyway.

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" 
 wrote:



Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
one.


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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>
> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>
> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
> pretty much off limits, too.
>
> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be 
> equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
> anything else that feels pain?
>
> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some 
> cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of 
> all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for 
> me.
>
> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>>On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>wrote:
>>> Nice photo anyway.
>>
>>Thanks, Frank.
>>
>>I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>don't need my understanding or approval.
>>At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>
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>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
sentient being since it's an animal. 

Paul via phone

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
>> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>> 
>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>> 
>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
>> pretty much off limits, too.
>> 
>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
>> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
>> anything else that feels pain?
>> 
>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>> at least for me.
>> 
>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>> wrote:
 Nice photo anyway.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>> 
>>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>> don't need my understanding or approval.
>>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO - Vancouver Evening Stroll

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
More macroscians!

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117923=lg
>
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Re: PESO - Follow my Lead

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great portrait of the horn player, and the bassist does add a lot to the scene.

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:31 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> I said I'd have several murals this week. I'm stopping at two as the
> rest don't rate - even by my low standards.
>
> But here's two parts of a jazz quartet I recently came upon.Love the
> way the bass player seems to be waiting for a visual cue from the horn
> player:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/follow-my-lead.html
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
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FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other things

2015-10-30 Thread ann sanfedele
So sorry for the repeat email for some of you - and I know this is coals 
to Newcastle ...and I showed the list the photos

already ... scroll down for the FS friday stuff that isn't the calendar..

Here is a look  at the new one -
Kodachromes from two road trips in 1989 and 1992 to Alaska

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print/Up-the-Alcan-Wall-Calendar/ 



This year I'd really appreciate all of you who are planning to buy one 
or more order them from me and make your _selection_
by November 15 - that way I can order the calendars, quality check each 
one when I get them and mail signed calendars to you
in plenty of time for gift giving.  If there are problems with them on 
the cafe press side I'll have time to get them reprinted... and

there won't be any calendars that start before January 2016 :-)

I say "selection"  because you can still order any of the other wall 
calendars designed over the last 9 years from me.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print

They are $19.00  each plus shipping USPS at the lowest rate I can get 
depending on the number of calendars you order..

($3.00 if you only buy one.)

this listing of mine on ebay for inkpress paper (cheap)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201446875915?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

and this of possible interest..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191725338737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


ann
annsan.smugmug.com




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Re: PESO ~ Kalila: Princess Warrior

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Excellent work.

I spent some time clicking on the right arrow, and there are a lot of
attractive and effective image there,  You are doing really fine work
with the female models.  I don't find any of the nudes or semi-nudes
offensive or tasteless, but I do not care for the ones where the model
is wearing pasties.  I find them as disturbing as the British meat
pies of a similar name.  

I especially like the dog images and the portrait of the fencer.  Too
many cat photos, however!

I really like the sunbather in the snow, and #17065612986, which is
the montage of four images of a female figure with different color and
toning effects.

Overall, a very impressive gallery.


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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
> Great captures Bruce - looks like you're having fun with your photography.
> I'd prefer a little space between top of the subjects head and the top edge 
> of the image in the portrait - to make it look more like a crafted image and 
> nota snapshot.
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Bruce Walker 
>>Subject: PESO ~ Kalila: Princess Warrior
>>
>>My wife, Louise, decided that I was having too much fun, and, desiring
>>to join in wrote up a theme for a shoot involving a princess
>>("Kalila"), an evil king ("Bardovudd"), swordplay and an enchanted
>>forest. Together we cast the roles, hired a swordmaster for accuracy,
>>and recruited a costumer, chalkboard artist, makeup/hair artist and
>>additional walk-ons.
>>
>>We call it Warrior Princess.
>>
>>There will be many shots from this ambitious effort, but here's the
>>key part, the princess. In real life she is Kaeli Taylor, Louise'
>>landscaping assistant (and not a model). Here she is wearing a custom
>>dress created by the costumer, Eva Mocek.
>>
>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22504875585/lightbox/
>>
>>K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8, 31mm, f:8, 1/180th sec, 100 ISO.
>>
>>And a portrait ...
>>
>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22261632139/lightbox/
>>
>>K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8, 50mm, f:4, 1/160th sec, 100 ISO.
>>
>>Light was provided by three PCB Einstein strobes with 7" reflectors
>>staggered 3' apart and bouncing their light high up from a white wall
>>opposite the chalkboard wall.
>>
>>Comments welcome!
>>
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Jack Davis
They may then be trumped by a vegan. :0)

J

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
>> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>> 
>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>> 
>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
>> pretty much off limits, too.
>> 
>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
>> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
>> anything else that feels pain?
>> 
>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>> at least for me.
>> 
>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>> wrote:
 Nice photo anyway.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>> 
>>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>> don't need my understanding or approval.
>>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
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Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread Eric Weir
Thanks for letting us know, Paul. Sorry that you—both of you—have to go through 
this. It sounds like you’re making good use of the time you have. Again, 
you—both of you—will remain in the thoughts of many. Certainly many here.

Eric 

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Marlene is very private, do Im loathe to discuss her condition, but I find 
> myself mentioning her battle when I'm speaking on other topics, and that 
> feels heartless.  Perhaps  honesty is better.
> 
> A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known 
> this was inevitable since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 
> 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery he looked defeated. "I wish I had 
> gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there hope? I asked. There is always 
> hope," he said, head hanging. 
> 
> Today, Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago. Marlene got out of bed 
> for several hours, and they laughed and even danced a little. (She was with 
> Marlene when we met at a bar in February 1971.) A rare good day, but 
> rewarding for all. But it remains that all we can realistically do now is 
> wait and hug and whisper words of love.
> 
> Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
> they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
> more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.
> 
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Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'm saddened to hear of Marlene's present condition, and I hope and
pray that she achieves the peaceful and painless conclusion that is
her goal and yours.  Continue to be strong for her and for the family.

I have gone through similar trials over the past 12 years with first
my father, then my mother, then my mother in law and then my younger
sister.  As my mother used to say "life is not for sissies."

I agree with your comments on cancer ads.  We have a very long way to
go.  A friend of mine from our local Rotary Club lost her 16 year old
daughter to pediatric brain cancer a decade ago.  She and her husband
started a foundation, which supports cancer research at Columbia
Presbyterian in NYC.  At the annual fundraising gala a few weeks ago,
the head of the research team reported that they have made significant
progress in the last year towards developing a vaccine for that
particular kind of cancer, but is will be years yet before they will
know how effective it might be.

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Marlene is very private, do Im loathe to discuss her condition, but I find 
> myself mentioning her battle when I'm speaking on other topics, and that 
> feels heartless.  Perhaps  honesty is better.
>
> A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known 
> this was inevitable since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 
> 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery he looked defeated. "I wish I had 
> gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there hope? I asked. There is always 
> hope," he said, head hanging.
>
> Today, Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago. Marlene got out of bed 
> for several hours, and they laughed and even danced a little. (She was with 
> Marlene when we met at a bar in February 1971.) A rare good day, but 
> rewarding for all. But it remains that all we can realistically do now is 
> wait and hug and whisper words of love.
>
> Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
> they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
> more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.
>
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Re: High tide

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice set of photos, effectively demonstrating the subject.

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> Not sure if this link will work, but I'll give it a try.
>
> High tide in Greenwich earlier today, taken with my phone.
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=439D213A93634DD4!105870=!AEJ73VLiIcHsff8=album%2c
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Re: OT: Getting the Shot

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great Shot!

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:28 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> And here is another for the series ...
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/The-2007-trip-to-Grandfather/i-wmMXzqB/A
>
> ann
>
>> On 10/29/2015 12:57 AM, knarf wrote:
>>>
>>> Some of those are quite funny.
>>>
>>> What's up with the "stick your butt out" thing? Stability? Aerodynamics?
>>> Just lookin' sexy?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> On October 28, 2015 11:46:14 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>>  wrote:

 http://themetapicture.com/the-different-poses-of-a-photographer/

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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> I find the LCD > great for street photography; people don't pay as much 
> attention to
> you because you look like less of a "serious photographer".
>
> For travel use (bicycle, motorcycle and hiking in my case) the K-01
> would be my pick. For general photography (if I were to have only one
> camera) I'd go with the SLR.

That is exactly my feelings.  I use the K-01 for street photography,
snaps of people at an event, and some travel when photography is not a
prime purpose of the excusion, and my SLT (K-5 II S) for general
photography, macros, landscapes, etc.

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Re: OT (WAY OT): Entertainment Recommendations

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> It is my experience that to a first, or even a second, approximation the
> representation of anything on TV or in movies is a load of crap.

TV occasionally does it well:  Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Sopranos,
Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, The Americans, Homicide --
Life on the Streets, Rome The Vikings, and a few others.

>Glen did mention that the US asked his father to join the military, and his 
>response was "Sure, as soon as you let my >family out of the camp".

That is the position taken by the "protesters" in the play, including
the war hero's father, sister and brother-in-law.  It was also the
position taken by Takei's father, which go the family sent to a
harsher internment camp.

On a percentage basis, fewer Japanese Americans in Hawaii were
imprisoned than on the mainland, because many were essential to
businesses related to the war effort, but the number was still
significant and tragic.  No Japanese American was accused or even
suspected of espionage or sabotage during the war, and in every case
Japanese sailors and soldiers who came to the islands by accident or
carry out acts of war were immediately turned in by the Japanese
Americans they hoped would shelter or assist them.

The Honouliuli Internment Camp, Hawaiʻi's largest and
longest-operating internment camp, opened in 1943 and closed in 1946.
Located near Waipahu on the island of Oʻahu, the site was designated
Honouliuli National Monument byPresidential Proclamation on February
19, 2015 by President Barack Obama, himself a native of the Islands.


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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
> sentient being since it's an animal.

I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?

Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.

Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).

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Re: PESO - Perfect Petite Pentax Kit - GDG

2015-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I bought the K-01 for two-three reasons: 

- It's small and unobtrusive (yes, even despite being bright yellow).
- It works well, as others have said, for the more casual kinds of shooting 
with a limited range of lenses due to its size and viewfinder setup.
- I really like the design for itself … It's the abstraction, the essence, of 
an SLR; a statement derived of its forebears. 

I like that it works well, configured with the two lenses I got for it, with 
direct optical viewfinders. That happens to be how I like to shoot a good bit 
of the time. It is, to me, a complement to an SLR the same way that my Leica X 
is a complement to a Leica M-P. 

If that was all the kind of shooting I did, it would be enough and I would just 
use it (or the X, etc). But my shooting interests are such that I'll use it 
more pointedly and have other, more versatile equipment to handle the larger 
scope of my shooting needs/desires. 

G


> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> I find the LCD > great for street photography; people don't pay as much 
>> attention to
>> you because you look like less of a "serious photographer".
>> 
>> For travel use (bicycle, motorcycle and hiking in my case) the K-01
>> would be my pick. For general photography (if I were to have only one
>> camera) I'd go with the SLR.
> 
> That is exactly my feelings.  I use the K-01 for street photography,
> snaps of people at an event, and some travel when photography is not a
> prime purpose of the excusion, and my SLT (K-5 II S) for general
> photography, macros, landscapes, etc.
> 
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Re: PESO ~ A portrait in window light

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:48 PM, knarf  wrote:
> That ripped top is a bit of a distraction to m

The ripped top also could support an inference that this is an image
to document an assault on the lovely young lady.

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Re: Marlene

2015-10-30 Thread David J Brooks
Very sorry to here this paul

Dave

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:
> Marlene doesn't want me to discuss her condition, and I find myself reaching 
> out on other topics, which feels heartless, but deflecting may well be worse.
>
> A peaceful and painless conclusion is now the goal.. I've pretty much known 
> this was inevitable since Dr. Kim, the surgeon, met with me outside the OR, 
> 13 months ago. After six hours in surgery he looked defeated. "I wish I had 
> gotten to this years ago," he said. "Is there hope? I asked. There is always 
> hope," he said, head hanging.
>
> Today,Marlene's best friend drove up from Chicago and they laughed and even 
> danced a little. (She was with Marlene when we met at a bar in February 
> 1971.) A rare good day, but all we can realistically do now is wait and hug 
> and whisper words of love.
>
> Did I tell you I deeply resent the ads from a cancer hospital that suggest 
> they're beating the disease? They're not. It's a blatant lie aimed at getting 
> more Medicare and insurance dollars. Fuck them.
>
> Paul via phone
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread knarf
Sentience is the ability to perceive or feel, not to think. 

>From Wikipedia:

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.[1] 
Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to 
think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western 
philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in 
philosophy of mind as "qualia"). In Eastern philosophy, sentience is a 
metaphysical quality of all things that requires respect and care. The concept 
is central to the philosophy of animal rights, because sentience is necessary 
for the ability to suffer, and thus is held to confer certain rights."

By any definition I'm aware of, sea urchins are sentient.

Cheers,

frank 

On October 30, 2015 8:52:23 AM EDT, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it
>must be a sentient being since it's an animal. 
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>wrote:
>> 
>> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
>> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf 
>wrote:
>>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to
>defend or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating
>cruelty and exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>>> 
>>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating
>cats, dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other
>primates are pretty much off limits, too.
>>> 
>>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel,
>it must be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent,
>socially advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say
>yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels pain?
>>> 
>>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred
>line in some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants
>and no to animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy
>to understand, at least for me.
>>> 
>>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for
>now.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
> wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
 wrote:
> Nice photo anyway.
 
 Thanks, Frank.
 
 I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
 don't need my understanding or approval.
 At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
 
 Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Plier, with booze.

Great pun.

She would have to been someone really sensational for me to use my
Lagavulin 16 on her.  

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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote:

>On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Mark Roberts" 
>>>
>>> If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
>>> said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
>>> http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique
>>>
>>> Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
>>> favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
>>> cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r
>>>
>>> Painfully inept work!
>>
>> Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it was a
>> joke at first.
>
>It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't know
>how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to do it
>for you.
>
>Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".

Indeed. I hadn't bothered looking at the rest of the site but you
appear to have got the gist of it.

 
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Re: OT: Getting the Shot

2015-10-30 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 29/10/15, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty? 
>
>Friends?
>
>LOL 
>
>Cheers,
>
>frank

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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread knarf
"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us..."

I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the door 
to eating lots of different animals.

Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian.

Cheers,

frank 

On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it
>must be a sentient being since it's an animal.
>
>I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?
>
>Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
>light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
>of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.
>
>Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
>and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
>stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
>fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).
>
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:



On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  
wrote:

Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.


Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding 
farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.


That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.


Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is 
physically imposable, no matter how you slice it.









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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can 
barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs 
and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root 
vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal 
stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of 
antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much 
corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill  wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough 
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was 
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable 
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the 
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.


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PESO Friday morning humor (retry and test)

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen
I thought I sent this out a while ago, but it never showed up in either 
my pdml nor my Sent folders. There has been some wonkiness in my network 
connection lately too.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/22424033000/in/album-72157660557640441/

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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

Deep Sea Urchin Thoughts...

On 10/30/2015 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
sentient being since it's an animal.

Paul via phone


On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

"How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.

I guess it's about where you draw the line.

No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, dogs 
or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are pretty 
much off limits, too.

I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be equally 
cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced animal like a pig. If 
"no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels 
pain?

So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some 
cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of 
all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for 
me.

There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.

Cheers,

frank


On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
wrote:

Nice photo anyway.

Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  

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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling
Carnivorous plants usually live in really nutrient low environments 
which is why they make their own fertilizer...


On 10/30/2015 2:23 PM, knarf wrote:

In terms of my personal menu, I don't eat carnivorous plants. Therefore I need 
not consider the ethics of consuming them.

Good question, though.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 1:10:26 PM EDT, Alan C  wrote:

Where do carnivorous plants fit in?

Alan C

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Subject: Re: PESO: Poke

"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us..."

I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens
the
door to eating lots of different animals.

Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are
vegetarian.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
 wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:

When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it

must be a sentient being since it's an animal.

I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?

Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.

Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.

On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

Marty??

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:

It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding home
listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.

Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.

Hmmm...

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Re: PESO ~ Kalila: Princess Warrior

2015-10-30 Thread P.J. Alling

Nice shots but how can she be a princess warrior without an armored bikini?

On 10/29/2015 1:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

My wife, Louise, decided that I was having too much fun, and, desiring
to join in wrote up a theme for a shoot involving a princess
("Kalila"), an evil king ("Bardovudd"), swordplay and an enchanted
forest. Together we cast the roles, hired a swordmaster for accuracy,
and recruited a costumer, chalkboard artist, makeup/hair artist and
additional walk-ons.

We call it Warrior Princess.

There will be many shots from this ambitious effort, but here's the
key part, the princess. In real life she is Kaeli Taylor, Louise'
landscaping assistant (and not a model). Here she is wearing a custom
dress created by the costumer, Eva Mocek.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22504875585/lightbox/

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8, 31mm, f:8, 1/180th sec, 100 ISO.

And a portrait ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22261632139/lightbox/

K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8, 50mm, f:4, 1/160th sec, 100 ISO.

Light was provided by three PCB Einstein strobes with 7" reflectors
staggered 3' apart and bouncing their light high up from a white wall
opposite the chalkboard wall.

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Re: OT: Getting the Shot

2015-10-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> http://themetapicture.com/the-different-poses-of-a-photographer/

We sure are a funny looking bunch when it comes to making a photograph … :-)

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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I just said they were "fair game."

I didn't say I would eat anything that eats other animal, nor did I
say I would only each animals that eat other animals.

I do, however, tend to be an omnivore .  .  .  .
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> Where do carnivorous plants fit in?
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: knarf
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO: Poke
>
> "So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
> fair game for us..."
>
> I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the
> door to eating lots of different animals.
>
> Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it
>>
>> must be a sentient being since it's an animal.
>>
>> I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?
>>
>> Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
>> light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
>> of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.
>>
>> Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
>> and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
>> stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
>> fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Alan C

Where do carnivorous plants fit in?

Alan C

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From: knarf

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM
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"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us..."

I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the 
door to eating lots of different animals.


Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
 wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:

When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it

must be a sentient being since it's an animal.

I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?

Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.

Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).

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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:
 
>> On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Nice photo anyway.
> 
> Thanks, Frank.
> 
> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
> don't need my understanding or approval.
> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 
 
 Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
>>> 
>>> Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
>>> animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.
>> 
>> That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.
> 
> Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically 
> imposable, no matter how you slice it.
> 

It ends with mad cow disease

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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 07:18 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> http://eil.com/images/main/Peter-Paul--Marty-Peter-Paul--Marty-564820.jpg


So there really is (was) a Peter, Paul & Marty.

A little Googling found they were former members of The New Seekers and
released one album (1973) with 11 tracks.  "Blowin' in the Wind" wasn't
one of them...


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> 
> > On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:17, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe Knarf knows something we don't.
> > 
> >> On 10/29/2015 3:03 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
> >> Marty??
> >> 
> >> Cheers
> >> 
> >> Brian
> >> 
> >> ++
> >> Brian Walters
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> >> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> >> 
> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 04:08 PM, knarf wrote:
> >>> It rained so hard today I decided to take the bus. So I'm riding home
> >>> listening to tunes I've downloaded on my phone.
> >>> 
> >>> Just finished ~Blowin' in the Wind~. By Peter, Paul and Marty.
> >>> 
> >>> Hmmm...
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> 
> >>> frsnk
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Re: OT - Free Music Downloads

2015-10-30 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 08:52 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Only this is Blowin' in the Wind:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4nVByCL44
> 
> I met Dylan about 55 years ago, when he was following Joan Baez around
> on tour like her little puppy dog.


I saw Dylan in '66 at the old Sydney Stadium.  This was in his
transition stage from pure acoustic to rock.  Many members of the
audience got up and left when he returned after intermission with his
full band.

A few years ago I found this poster for the concert on line.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/Sydney_13%2B16_april_1966.jpg

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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread John

On 10/29/2015 7:41 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell 
wrote:

In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
about] anything once".


As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about
anything that is place before me.  
As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I
finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really
appealed to me.  Perhaps it is an acquired taste.  I didn't like
octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown
to appreciate it, both cooked and raw.

One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in
establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great
piece of meat properly prepared.  I like the places that grind the
meat and season it right at your table.


I do a great steak tartare. Unfortunately, she who must also be fed or
the pampering stops prefers somewhat cooked meat.

I'm happy making a Martini with gin, knowing there is a bottle of
vermouth somewhere, and I am quite happy with a steak dinner, knowing
that there is a barbecue in the neighborhood.





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World's worst photo tutorial

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Roberts
If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos (hey, I
said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, but my
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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread steve harley


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 10:01, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290


a visceral photo figuratively and literally

soften the highlights and it could be a magazine shot

and interesting discussion - i am semi-veg, not a moral eater, but
sensitive to critters, environment and health, limit all meats and won't
eat mammals; so i try to learn about where food comes from and saw a
recent news story that is relevant to poke:

http://oceana.org/reports/oceana-study-reveals-seafood-fraud-nationwide

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OT: The EYES have it

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Some nice macros of insect eyes:

http://twistedsifter.com/2015/10/25-of-the-best-close-ups-of-insect-eyes-you-will-see/?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+Twistedsifter+%28TwistedSifter+%29

Not up to Mark's standards, but quite interesting.

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Re: PESO: Poke

2015-10-30 Thread Larry Colen
That photo does a good job of making me hungry, and I just finished a 
fairly large meal.


Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.


Poke is awesome.  People miss out on so many wonderful things by being 
afraid to try new foods.




It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.


I tried uni once, and it didn't really work for me.

If you are ever in Santa Cruz, I highly recommend Mobo Sushi. They have 
some very creative and delicious items on their menu. Zab loves their 
corrupter roll: Unagi, Basil, Fresh Garlic, Macadamia Nuts


My favorite is what they call the tsunami, they take a large chunk of 
smoked salmon, split the middle, fill it with rice and macadamia nuts 
and top it with unagi and avocado. It is an amazing mixture of both 
flavors and textures.





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