Did Pentax make M42 28/f2?

2002-06-15 Thread smcforme

I guess the subject bar pretty much sums it up. Did Pentax make a 28mm f2 in screw 
mount? Or was it added at the time of the switch to K-mount?
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Shutterbug Review of the VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Fred

Prompted by the recent thread on the Vivitar Series 1 35-85/2.8
Variable Focusing Lens, I am passing on some excerpts from a fairly
recent review of this lens by Frances E. Schultz (co-author, along
with Roger Hicks, of The Lens Book, as referenced by Robert
Monaghan in his outstanding Third Party Lenses Resource Megasite).
The review appeared in the Classic  Collector column of the August,
1998, issue of Shutterbug magazine.

Fred

[begin]

Some lenses are legendary: the Voigtlander Apo Lanthar, the Zeiss
Biogon, the Leitz Thambar, and so on. Usually, their prices reflect
their legendary status. There are others which deserve to be
legends and are really appreciated by those who own them, but which
can still be found surprisingly inexpensive.

The Vivitar Series 1 Auto Variable Focus 35-85mm f/2.8 is one of
them. Even by modern standards it is fast; it is still remarkably
sharp; and it is the classic standard zoom range. On the down
side, it is admittedly big and heavy, and it is not parfocal - in
other words, you have to refocus every time you change the focal
length, which is why it is called a varifocus or variable focus
lens rather than a zoom. These drawbacks are the price you pay (and
the price the designers thought worthwhile) for the speed and
performance. Part of the price, that is. The rest of the price came
in dollars and cents. In 1976, this lens listed at $499.50, at a
time when a new Leica CL with 40mm Summicron lens listed at $540.

[Caption for an illustration] Although it isn't in cosmetically
perfect shape, my example of this legendary lens performs
beautifully. I have the unique fitting dished lens cap and the
original clamp-on hood.

It was introduced in the mid-1970s, over 20 years ago; in my 1976
Camera Barn Photographic Buying Guide it was described as new and
had a full page ad to itself. Very few zooms of that period were
any good, but the performance of this one is impressive, even by
the standards of the late 1990s.

Like all the original Series 1 lenses, it was built to state of the
art standards of optical and mechanical quality, and pretty much
regardless of price. Optical design was American and Japanese;
mechanical design was Japanese; and the lens was built, at least
according to the original publicity material, using specially made
NC lathes from Germany and Switzerland.

[Caption for an illustration] If you can only carry one lens when
you are traveling, a 35-85 zoom is a good choice. It is fast and
easy to use and delivers excellent results at all focal lengths.
This was taken using the 35mm end of the zoom range. Even with the
straight line near the edge of the picture, distortion is minimal.

It is a one touch lens, with a single ring that you push-pull to
zoom and twist to focus. The closest focusing distance varies
considerably with focal length, from 10.2 inches (from the film
plane - 4.3 inches from the front element) at 35 mm to around 30
inches (from the film plane) at 85 mm. This corresponds to about
1/4 life-size at 35mm and 1/8 life-size at 85mm.

The filter size is a big 72mm, and the lens weighs 27 ounces;
overall length at infinity is 3.6 inches, and maximum barrel
diameter is 3.2 inches. There are 12 glasses in nine groups, three
of them moving independently: the original advertising mentions
five concentric sleeves with nested cams. Despite all the glass,
and 18 air glass surfaces, flare is surprisingly low for such a
complex lens of this age.

The other detectable shortcoming is distortion, but unless you have
straight lines near the edge of the picture, you will never notice
it. I have never noticed it in real pictures, only in test chart
shots which were designed to point out every defect. Resolution is
very high, better than 72 lp/mm centrally on a medium contrast
(10:1) target and Ilford Pan F Plus film.

Compared to prime lenses, and even to modern zooms, the Varifocal
is an idiosyncratic lens. Apart from the size, the weight, and the
fact that you have to refocus every time you change focal length,
the thing which takes the most getting used to is the way the front
glass rotates as you change focal lengths. It only moves through
about 30 degrees as you zoom from 35-85mm, but somehow, this is
more unexpected than a greater movement. It also moves forward from
35-55mm, then backward again from 55-85mm. The total to-and-fro
movement is less than 1/4 inch, but the effect is still odd.

The lens cap which comes with the lens is unique, and screws into
the filter thread, The lens shade is also unique and fairly
vestigial, as it has to be at the 35mm end of the range. It is a
very shallow flared hood, held on (not always very securely) by a
set screw. It rotates along with the front glass as you zoom the
lens.

The Vivitar Auto Vario Focus 35-85 f/2.8 is definitely my favorite
snapshot lens. There are many occasions when I don't want to carry
two bodies and three or four lenses, but I still want the
versatility and dependability of my regular cameras, 

Re: Did Pentax make M42 28/f2?

2002-06-15 Thread Bob Rapp

No, it was introduces after the original K lenses were introduced.

Bob
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 I guess the subject bar pretty much sums it up. Did Pentax make a 28mm f2
in screw mount? Or was it added at the time of the switch to K-mount?
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Re: Did Pentax make M42 28/f2?

2002-06-15 Thread Fred

 Did Pentax make a 28mm f2 in screw mount? Or was it added at the
 time of the switch to K-mount?

I don't think there was ever a screwmount 28/2.

I believe that the first Pentax 28/2 design (developed in
conjunction with Zeiss, as legend has it -
http://www.cdegroot.com/archives/yashicacontax-slr/199905/msg00087.html )
was the SMC (K) Pentax 28/2 (a gorgeous lens).

(The M and A 28/2, by the way, is of a different design.)

Fred
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RE: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread John Coyle

On a recent trip I took only the 28-105 FA 4-5.6 and the M200/4, as at 
that time it covered everything I had, except a 135 and a 400mm, which 
would have been just too heavy.  I also took the AF330FTZ flash, and 
used 400 and 800 ASA Ektapress film.  I found that covered most things 
pretty well, although I wished I'd had the 400 for a motor racing 
session at Brands Hatch.
Nowadays I would certainly add the 18-35 zoom, just to cover the really 
wide end.
If I had only the primes, it would have been the 28,50, 135 and 200.  I 
know there is a big gap between the 50 and the 135, but, heck, I'd just 
have to use my feet!  I know I appreciated the reach of the 200mm in 
Hong Kong for details of their bamboo scaffolding on a 35 storey 
building!

HTH

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:00 AM, Bryan Carter Vyhmeister 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
SNIP

 I suppose while I am at it, if any of you feel the urge to comment on
 what equipment you take on trips, that would be most appreciated. 
Most
 travel lists give suggestions of 24mm or 28mm, 50mm, 85mm or 105mm,
 and 80-200mm or 200mm.  I am also interested in comments about what 
you
 would take as far as accessories. I will be taking the AF-360FGZ with
 off-camera cord. SNIP
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Re[2]: Pentax lenses vs. the world?

2002-06-15 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

it's not just noticeable to art directors etc. I've posted on this
matter several times over the last couple of years. When I was
shooting exclusively Pentax gear my lenses were all Pentax, but from
different series: K, M, A and A*, and looking at my slides on the
lightbox, as well as projected, it was very clear on side-by-side
comparisons that they had different colour balances and characteristics.
It became even more evident when I got all the Carl Zeiss MM lenses -
the consistent look and characteristics across the range was very noticeable
indeed.

This may not matter very much from day to day or in the grand scheme
of things, but if you are shooting a photo essay it is very discordant
to be looking at pictures with a common theme, but a different look -
particularly if it's just slightly different. One the other hand,
having a consistent look is one way of tying the whole thing together
and making your presentations look professional.

Similar considerations apply to differences in film stock.

---

 Bob  

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Saturday, June 15, 2002, 6:10:32 AM, you wrote:

 Guys: Face the facts. How many of us shoot for top notch magazines that use 
 art directors that would notice the difference. Maybe there's a little bit of 
 splitting hairs here. I know the art directors where I work would never 
 notice such a minute difference in the look of pictures, and by the time it 
 came out in print, any minute difference would not be noticed anyway..
 Vic 
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FS: SMC K lenses

2002-06-15 Thread Tonghang Zhou

Two of the best Pentax lenses:

Pentax K SMC 135/2.5, with caps and hood
Pentax K SMC 200/4, with caps

Both in like new condition.  When I say like new I'm not kidding.
Therefore no further description necessary.

I also have the hard tube cases.  But right now I'm not sure
I want to part with them.

The K135/2.5 is the last sample of this lens I have.  The other
one went to Shel some time ago.

Offers please.  $150 and $100 respectively are instant takers.
Paypal OK.  US checks OK.  Shipping is $5 in US.  Elsewhere
actual.

Let me know.

Tonghang.
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OT: Disturbing virus developments

2002-06-15 Thread Rob Studdert

Hi,

Some disconcerting news is that there appears to be a new virus that infects 
jpeg image files, it seems that the current variant is fairly benign however 
I'm sure it won't stay that way for long. See the following links for details:

http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2002june/gee20020614012193.htm
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.perrun.html
http://www3.ca.com/virus/virus.asp?ID=12313
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99522.htm

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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RE: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread Alan Chan

Hong Kong for details of their bamboo scaffolding on a 35 storey
building!

Never thought that could be the tourist attraction.  :)

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread Rob Studdert

On 15 Jun 2002 at 1:07, Alan Chan wrote:

 Hong Kong for details of their bamboo scaffolding on a 35 storey
 building!
 
 Never thought that could be the tourist attraction.  :)

It seems to be an Aussie affliction, the first time I saw them I was gazing up 
in utter amazement and so was a guy next to me, he commented to me about it in 
a broad Aussie accent :-)

Its a marriage that seems incongruous to most westerners, thousand year old 
technology being employed in the development of modern sky-scrapers.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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RE: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread Alan Chan

It seems to be an Aussie affliction, the first time I saw them I was gazing 
up
in utter amazement and so was a guy next to me, he commented to me about it 
in
a broad Aussie accent :-)

Its a marriage that seems incongruous to most westerners, thousand year old
technology being employed in the development of modern sky-scrapers.

I was so used to that bamboo stuff, I didn't even spend much time looking at 
them all those years. Perhaps I should check them out the next time I was 
back to HK.  :)

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread Cotty

bait and switch

I've got a good idea, but can someone please spell this out for me. What 
does it mean? Advertise one product and then try and sell you another?

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-15 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Alexander wrote:


A number of new Limited lenses?  Are you trying to tell us that Pentax may
release MORE then one Limited lens at Photokina in September?


Huh? I don't think I've said anything of the sort. Pentax people have 
suggested that there will be many Limited lenses. When they will be 
released is anybodies guess. I have no idea if they will show a Limited 
lens at Photokina but it seems plausible considering the time frame between 
each Limited lens release.

What I was trying to say in a previous post is that the Limited lenses 
cannot be considered a matching set of prime lenses with evenly spaced 
focal lengths as a form of kit, but rather an addition to the current FA 
and FA* lenses.

Pål
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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Cotty,

Yup.  AFAIK, it comes in several guises, either trying to get the customer
to buy a more expensive product - for only a couple of dollars more, you
can get... - or even worse, sell off an inferior product (often a house
brand) purportedly of equal or better quality - now that used Super Multi
Coated Takumar 3.5 35mm is a fine lens, but for the same money, you can get
a brand new Supergon 4.0 35mm, under full warranty.  We've sold thousands,
and our customers report that it's tack sharp, yadda, yadda, yadda...

It's not an illegal practice, AFAIK, unless, they never did have the Tak
35mm in the first place, but only advertised it to get calls so they can
flog the Supergon.  It does happen...

regards,
frank

Cotty wrote:

 bait and switch

 I've got a good idea, but can someone please spell this out for me. What
 does it mean? Advertise one product and then try and sell you another?

 Cheers,

 Cotty

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Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada

2002-06-15 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Dave,

As you may know, we've had several discussions about the thieves at UPS and
their brokerage fees up to Canada over the last year or so.  I got stung by them
once, and learned my lesson.

But, in your case, since the auction didn't specify all Canadian shipments go
by UPS, I think you could have gotten out of the auction had you wanted to.
They can't advertise shipping options, and then after the auction closes, say
we forgot to mention..., and then make you stick by it.

regards,
frank

David Chang-Sang wrote:

 The Seller advertised UPS, FedEx and USPS shipping.. but because I'm in
 Canada he could only ship via UPS.


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Re: Long lenses colour: white or green? Important things

2002-06-15 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Rob wrote:


I don't know about the colour miraculously making a cream to yellow green
transition as you move from indoors to out however they definitely are a 
light
green in colour (mine is anyway).


Did this lens turn green after it arrived in Australia? I can swear it was 
white when I owned it.

Pål
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Re: looooong lens

2002-06-15 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

How do you focus a 13.5 lens?


Basically, it's close to impossible. You need to do focus bracketing. I 
used to own the 1000/11 Reflex and it was a pain to focus even with the 
special LX finders.
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Re: OT: Disturbing virus developments

2002-06-15 Thread Johan Schoone

Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Some disconcerting news is that there appears to be a new virus that infects 
 jpeg image files, it seems that the current variant is fairly benign however 
 I'm sure it won't stay that way for long. See the following links for details:

[...]

There are no such viruses in the wild. This one is - at best - a proof-
of-concept. More important, your system must be infected with another
virus first in order to execute code embedded in JPGs.

Solution: Ditch Outlook (Outlook Express). You might want to ditch all
Windows stuff at some point. Read also
http://features.slashdot.org/features/02/06/14/1343223.shtml?tid=166 .
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Re: Pentax and Minolta on Life Support

2002-06-15 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Bruce wrote:


Right now
the US and Canada make up almost 50% of the entire world
market for digital cameras.


I seriously doubt these numbers (can anyone check this up?). Not long ago 
numbers were published that showed another scenario; the US were quite a 
bit behind Europe and Japan as the biggest digital markets. The digital 
market share in units, as opposed to value,  has exceeded 50% in Japan and 
certain European markets.

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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread Rfsindg

 bait and switch
 
 I've got a good idea, but can someone please spell this out for me. What 
 does it mean? Advertise one product and then try and sell you another? 

Catty,

Bait (as in bait for the trap)... ridiculously low price on desirable or rare 
product.

Switch... Oh! We just sold the last one, but I can offer you this cheap, off 
brand piece of junk for the same price.  Or, we are temporarily out of stock, 
but I can offer you...  Or, we just sold that mint condition, low mileage 
used car that was only driven once a week, to church on Sundays, but we've 
got an old VW Microbus that you will really like!

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9 Lens Focusing

2002-06-15 Thread Steve Larson

Fred,
 I can`t get that web page to come up, if it`s a .jpg can you email
it to me?
Thanks,
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Subject: Re: Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9 Lens Focusing


  The rear element doesn`t turn during focusing, only the front
  group turns.
 
 OK, I dug into the archives here, and I came up with a Vivitar ad
 for the VS1 28/1.9 that shows and explains its innards:
 
 http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/v28f19/v28f19ad.jpg
 
 Fred
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Re: Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9 Lens Focusing

2002-06-15 Thread Steve Larson

Disregard the previous note, I got the jpg.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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  The rear element doesn`t turn during focusing, only the front
  group turns.
 
 OK, I dug into the archives here, and I came up with a Vivitar ad
 for the VS1 28/1.9 that shows and explains its innards:
 
 http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/v28f19/v28f19ad.jpg
 
 Fred
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Re: OT-OT-OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Fred

 Fred, would you have a Modern or Popular Photography tes report on
 the Fujica GS645? It would be around 1984.

No, sorry, Jeff - I only have on hand items that I clipped out of
magazines because they were important to me at the time - I don't
tens to keep entire old issues.  Maybe someone else has it...  (???)

Fred
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Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Steve Larson

It is a strange lens when watching the zoom mechanism in action.
 We might as well talk about hoods for it too, I`ve mentioned
before that the Nikon HK-4 is the perfect hood, but I`m not so
sure now, because you have to have a filter on the lens or the
lens will not zoom the entire range. Crappy as it is, I think I like
the plastic one that was made for it. I`m trying to shoot mostly
without filters now. I just thought of something, I`ll knock the
glass out of one of my 72mm filters, voila!
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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  however the main attraction of this lens (for me) is the
  constant F2.8 aperture throughout the zoom range.
 
  A constant f/2.8 is indeed nice - both for constancy and for speed.
 
 And I should add that the constancy in speed (for judging exposures)
 is more important to me than is its inconstancy in focus while
 zooming.
 
 By the way, there is little change in focus while zooming when
 focused near infinity - the variable focusing becomes more
 pronounced only at closer distances.
 
 I still get a kick out of zooming, though:  The lens changes length
 a little when zooming in and out, getting a little longer at about
 55mm or so, and getting shorter toward either end of the zoom range.
 But, the most unusual thing is that the front of the lens rotates
 somewhat while zooming, which is really kind of weird to look at -
 g.
 
 Fred
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Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Steve Larson

Fred,
 Thanks for putting up the 28/1.9 blow up and the 35-85 ads,
I love seeing that stuff.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Subject: Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8


 In case anyone's interested, here are scans of three Vivitar ads,
 all from Modern Photo, one from 1975 and two from 1979, featuring
 the VS1 35-85/2.8:
 
 http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/v3585f28/v3585f28.htm
 
 Fred
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RE: Disturbing virus developments - umm... no :)

2002-06-15 Thread David Chang-Sang

heh...

http://features.slashdot.org/features/02/06/14/1343223.shtml?tid=166

You folks may want to take the sky is falling news from the variety of
anti-virus software manufacturers with a grain of salt.  Lest we forget that
they are, in fact, in the business of contributing to the fear of viruses
(yes, that's the correct pluralization of the word virus)

Cheers,
Dave


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Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Disturbing virus developments


Hi,

Some disconcerting news is that there appears to be a new virus that infects
jpeg image files, it seems that the current variant is fairly benign however
I'm sure it won't stay that way for long. See the following links for
details:

http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2002june/gee20020614012193.htm
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.perrun.html
http://www3.ca.com/virus/virus.asp?ID=12313
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99522.htm

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-15 Thread Grigolia

Sorry Paal,

I was asking a leading question.  You'd mentioned additional lenses.  But you 
hadn't specified Photokina.  I hoped by asking if there would be MORE then 
one you might confirm that there might be at least one.

I want to build a quality compact 35mm system.  I LOVE the Leica M-series but 
not the cost.  I'd like to build an MZ-S  Limited lens kit but can't justify 
the expense if Pentax isn't going to release a full line of Limited lenses.

Alexander Grigolia
Arlington, Virginia
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Re: Shutterbug Review of the VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Steve Larson

Great article Fred, you are (as always) a wealth of information.
 The lens cap he referred to for the 35-85 being dished, is that
the plastic one with the rib down the middle for your fingers to grab
onto?
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:45 PM
Subject: Shutterbug Review of the VS1 35-85/2.8


 Prompted by the recent thread on the Vivitar Series 1 35-85/2.8
 Variable Focusing Lens, I am passing on some excerpts from a fairly
 recent review of this lens by Frances E. Schultz (co-author, along
 with Roger Hicks, of The Lens Book, as referenced by Robert
 Monaghan in his outstanding Third Party Lenses Resource Megasite).
 The review appeared in the Classic  Collector column of the August,
 1998, issue of Shutterbug magazine.
 
 Fred
 
 [begin]
 
 Some lenses are legendary: the Voigtlander Apo Lanthar, the Zeiss
 Biogon, the Leitz Thambar, and so on. Usually, their prices reflect
 their legendary status. There are others which deserve to be
 legends and are really appreciated by those who own them, but which
 can still be found surprisingly inexpensive.
 
 The Vivitar Series 1 Auto Variable Focus 35-85mm f/2.8 is one of
 them. Even by modern standards it is fast; it is still remarkably
 sharp; and it is the classic standard zoom range. On the down
 side, it is admittedly big and heavy, and it is not parfocal - in
 other words, you have to refocus every time you change the focal
 length, which is why it is called a varifocus or variable focus
 lens rather than a zoom. These drawbacks are the price you pay (and
 the price the designers thought worthwhile) for the speed and
 performance. Part of the price, that is. The rest of the price came
 in dollars and cents. In 1976, this lens listed at $499.50, at a
 time when a new Leica CL with 40mm Summicron lens listed at $540.
 
 [Caption for an illustration] Although it isn't in cosmetically
 perfect shape, my example of this legendary lens performs
 beautifully. I have the unique fitting dished lens cap and the
 original clamp-on hood.
 
 It was introduced in the mid-1970s, over 20 years ago; in my 1976
 Camera Barn Photographic Buying Guide it was described as new and
 had a full page ad to itself. Very few zooms of that period were
 any good, but the performance of this one is impressive, even by
 the standards of the late 1990s.
 
 Like all the original Series 1 lenses, it was built to state of the
 art standards of optical and mechanical quality, and pretty much
 regardless of price. Optical design was American and Japanese;
 mechanical design was Japanese; and the lens was built, at least
 according to the original publicity material, using specially made
 NC lathes from Germany and Switzerland.
 
 [Caption for an illustration] If you can only carry one lens when
 you are traveling, a 35-85 zoom is a good choice. It is fast and
 easy to use and delivers excellent results at all focal lengths.
 This was taken using the 35mm end of the zoom range. Even with the
 straight line near the edge of the picture, distortion is minimal.
 
 It is a one touch lens, with a single ring that you push-pull to
 zoom and twist to focus. The closest focusing distance varies
 considerably with focal length, from 10.2 inches (from the film
 plane - 4.3 inches from the front element) at 35 mm to around 30
 inches (from the film plane) at 85 mm. This corresponds to about
 1/4 life-size at 35mm and 1/8 life-size at 85mm.
 
 The filter size is a big 72mm, and the lens weighs 27 ounces;
 overall length at infinity is 3.6 inches, and maximum barrel
 diameter is 3.2 inches. There are 12 glasses in nine groups, three
 of them moving independently: the original advertising mentions
 five concentric sleeves with nested cams. Despite all the glass,
 and 18 air glass surfaces, flare is surprisingly low for such a
 complex lens of this age.
 
 The other detectable shortcoming is distortion, but unless you have
 straight lines near the edge of the picture, you will never notice
 it. I have never noticed it in real pictures, only in test chart
 shots which were designed to point out every defect. Resolution is
 very high, better than 72 lp/mm centrally on a medium contrast
 (10:1) target and Ilford Pan F Plus film.
 
 Compared to prime lenses, and even to modern zooms, the Varifocal
 is an idiosyncratic lens. Apart from the size, the weight, and the
 fact that you have to refocus every time you change focal length,
 the thing which takes the most getting used to is the way the front
 glass rotates as you change focal lengths. It only moves through
 about 30 degrees as you zoom from 35-85mm, but somehow, this is
 more unexpected than a greater movement. It also moves forward from
 35-55mm, then backward again from 55-85mm. The total to-and-fro
 movement is less than 1/4 inch, but the effect is still odd.
 
 The lens cap which comes with the lens is unique, and screws into
 the 

Re: Cosina=Rikenon?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

No. The Cosina 55/1.2 is the same as every other 55/1.2K EXCEPT Rikenon. 
The Rikenon is probably better.

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Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

JamesRel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this lens come in screw mount and/or K-mount?

Both.

If in K-mount, does it have any electrical contacts like a PK-A lens? Or is 
it just like an old K lens?

It's just like an old K lens.


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RE: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Personally, I would drop the 43 in favour of the 24-90. If you have 3
cameras travel with the 24-90 on one and the 70-200 on the other. That
way you are always ready for all focal lengths.

Rob,
I hear this a lot, making me suspect that when traveling, I must be the 
only one who carries low-speed film in one camera and high-speed in 
another. If I'm outdoors, and the lens I want is on the body that I've 
loaded with high-speed film, I must change lenses anyway.


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Rikenon 55/1.2 what where when how?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

smcforme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What's the story with the Rikenon 55mm f1.2? Does Ricoh still make K-mount 
lenses? Are they sold in the US? Pricey? I can't find any information on 
the net.

ANSWER:
It was introduced sometime before 1995. It was probably discontinued by 
2000. It has a  P setting to work in Program mode on Ricoh XR 
program-capable bodies (XR-P, XR-M / XR-X, XR-3P)

Good luck finding this one; it's harder to find used, or new, than the 
Pentax 85/1.8K, 85/1.4A, 135/1.8A, 120/2.8K, and 18/3.5K.

Yoshi has written that he prefers it to any Pentax 50 or 55. Others believe 
that Ricoh's 50/2 (P and non-P) and 50/1.4P perform better, the 1.4P 
beating Contax in a major test.

I suggest you be happy with one of Pentax's fine 50s or Ricoh's 50/2. I 
tried the Vivitar 55/1.2K and found its view no brighter than the view 
through a Pentax 50/1.4A. Mark Cassino or Mark Gosdin has reported that the 
Rikenon 55/1.2K delivers slower f/stops, aperture for aperture, than a 
Pentax 50/1.4A. So the speed advantage is probably nil, although focusing 
would still be a bit snappier because of the more limited depth of field.

Three shops in Europe were advertising it a while back; I wrote to two and 
got no reply:

Czech, 8490 units ($235)  I think this is new, meaning they have several.
http://members.tripod.com/I_P_F/ March 29 2002

RICOH Obj. Rikenon 55mm F1,2   8 079,- Kc at 
http://www.fotomorava.cz/zbozi.asp?kat=34vyr=47 21 March 2001


275/142 Euro ($125), 22JAN 01  in italy http://www.nicam.it/obiettivi.asp

Anyway, here's what I have on it:

7 elements in 6 groups, 9-blade aperture, 58mm filter, 2.5 in. wide, 1.8 
in. long, 11 oz. (64mm x 46 mm x 312 g) Close focus: 2 feet (1:8.9X)

When using an f/1.2 with an electronic shutter, use aperture priority so 
you're assured of the 1.2 aperture and any matching shutter speed.The 
Pentax 1.2 can stop down to f/22. Stefan Zandburg: Camera Magazine tested 
it with the Nikon 50mm f/1.2 and claimed it was quite on par, only slightly 
lower in quality; at full opening, sharpness and contrast were slightly 
less but it had less vignetting than Nikon. Popular Photography test, July 
95: Exposure at film plane is very accurate from f/2 to f/11. At f/16, 
slightly underexposed (0.2 stop at infinity, 0.5 at close) but still within 
tolerance. Underexposure at max aperture was due to light falloff. 
Distortion, 1.1%, barrel. Lateral color: Dominant, will affect picture 
quality. Full click stops on aperture ring from f/1.2 to f/16. Hands on: 
Beautifully assembled and finished metal-barreled lens is heavy for a 
normal lens but balances well on larger cameras like the XRX-3PF.aperture 
ring clicks into stops smartly, but is slightly slippery. In the lab, 
overall SQF was good, the result of lower readings at f/1.2 and f/2 but 
dramatically higher in the f/4 to f/16 range. Field curvature was normal; 
there was noticeable barrel distortion. In the field: Test slides confirmed 
SQF findings: Slides were soft and lacked contrast at f/1.2, improved 
steadily through f/4, then produced very crisp slides with very good 
contrast through f/16. Substantial flare at f/1.2 through f/2.8, gone by 
f/4, but very obvious ghost images in backlit shots at all apertures. Light 
falloff was gone by f/2.8. Conclusion: For the available-light enthusiast, 
a very attractive optic at a very good price that will produce quite 
acceptable results wide open up to 8x10. Very fine optic at middle to small 
apertures, but beware of ghost images in strong backlight.

Yoshihiko Takinami, 1997: I agree that the SMC 50/1.2 is not a very good 
choice. But I prefer Ricoh's Riken 55mm f/1.2 to any Pentax 50mm lens. It's 
really a great lens, I think. I use with my Z-1 and ME Super. Yoshi, 29 
Nov. 97: I use the Rikenon 55mm f/1.2 with my PZ-1 and my Ricoh XR-8 
super. I believe it is one of the best value-for-the-money lenses for 
Pentax cameras. Its build quality is very good and just heavy. A bit soft 
wide open, but it is quite sharp and contrasty at one stop down, though it 
is sensitive for focus and light conditions. (?) I love this lens.

Gregory (The Who): there are a lot of turns allowed on MF ricoh 55/1.2 
lens. i mean a lot! that little minute fine turning is make history of 
being great or average for a critical macro focus usually.

Mark Cassino, July 09, 2000: I like the 55/1.2. The Rikenon 50 and 55, 
Kiron 105, and A200 macro are my mainstays for normal to moderate telephoto 
work, and I'd highly recommend any.

Yoshi's lens tests: Center resolution, 49 lpm at f/1.2 and f/2; 55 lpm at 
f/2.8 and f/4 and f/4; 62 lpm at f/5.6 and f/8; 55 lpm at f/11; 55 lpm at 
f/16. Corners: 35 lpm at f/1.2; 44 lpm at f/2; 49 lpm at 2.8 through f/5.6; 
62 lpm ag f/8 and f/11; 55 lpm at f/16.

Yoshi: I also tested some Ricoh K-mount lenses besides the Pentax's Here's 
the results. # Check aother post of mine about equipments, notes, etc.

***CENTER RESOLUTION***
Lens Type 1.2 1.4 1.7 1.8 2 2.4 2.8 

Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Hmmm. One of my Super Programs is in the shop again for the same reason as 
before: I've damaged the autodiaphragm mechanism. And what lens is stuck in 
it and must be removed by the repair shop? The Vivitar Series 1 90-180/4.5 
Flat Field Macro Zoom. Coincidence?

Fred wrote:

The fact that they were released before the arrival of the LX is the
likely cause of an apparent mechanical incompatibility for use with
the LX. While my VS1 35-85/2.8 works (like the proverbial charm)
with an ME Super or a Super Program, there is a problem with
mounting it on my LX's.
I had to do a wee bit of filing down (after masking thoroughly the
rest of the lens) of one corner or the rather long baffle (or
shield) at the lower part of mount end of the lens, to prevent
contact between it and the upper part of the LX's mirror box baffle
when first inserting the lens into the LX's K-mount (before twisting
it into place) and/or when untwisting the lens to remove it from the
mount.



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Re: Shutterbug Review of the VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Fred

 Great article Fred, you are (as always) a wealth of information.

Thanks for the acknowledgement.

 The lens cap he referred to for the 35-85 being dished, is that
 the plastic one with the rib down the middle for your fingers to
 grab onto?

{The author is a she, Steve.]  Yes, I'm assuming that the lens cap
referred to is indeed that one, which I have and like.  It is
dished (i.e., concave) in front, except for that rib which can be
used for turning the cap (if the robustly knurled edge of the cap
isn't good enuf for ya - g).

Fred
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Re: For Travel, Limiteds Limiting?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Rob,
It's been quite a while since I've saved someone's views into the Which 
focal lengths to carry question. But your comments were so insightful I've 
saved them in bold red. You may have even persuaded me to sell my Rikenon 
28-100/4.

Rob Studdert wrote:
After a few days with the combo that you choose you will see the view in 
terms of the FL that you have available, it's a very natural and rewarding 
way to shoot, I find that it allows you to concentrate on what's in front 
of the camera rather than on the camera its self. I think the key to 
successfully using prime lenses is to select the kit such that the AOV that 
are available to you are different enough that you can make a quick and 
absolute decision about the best lens to use for the given view.

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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread Oliver Raymond

I'm glad to say that bait and switch is illegal in NYC - but only if reported
and documented - check out their BBB (better business bureau) status before
dealing with ANY NYC camera stores.

Calumet, Adorama and BH all have good standing.

Oliver

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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: A certain retailer


 Hi, Cotty,

 Yup.  AFAIK, it comes in several guises, either trying to get the customer
 to buy a more expensive product - for only a couple of dollars more, you
 can get... - or even worse, sell off an inferior product (often a house
 brand) purportedly of equal or better quality - now that used Super Multi
 Coated Takumar 3.5 35mm is a fine lens, but for the same money, you can get
 a brand new Supergon 4.0 35mm, under full warranty.  We've sold thousands,
 and our customers report that it's tack sharp, yadda, yadda, yadda...

 It's not an illegal practice, AFAIK, unless, they never did have the Tak
 35mm in the first place, but only advertised it to get calls so they can
 flog the Supergon.  It does happen...

 regards,
 frank

 Cotty wrote:

  bait and switch
 
  I've got a good idea, but can someone please spell this out for me. What
  does it mean? Advertise one product and then try and sell you another?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Cotty
 
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  MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wanna try that 43-86! ;)

Sounds like a Pentax Limited focal length range. :)


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Re: OT?! Opinions on VS1 35-85/2.8

2002-06-15 Thread Fred

 Thanks for putting up the 28/1.9 blow up and the 35-85 ads, I love
 seeing that stuff.

Yeah, I do, too, Steve.  That's why I still have that stuff - g.

By the way, I have saved quite a few of my favorite ads, Pentax and
3rd-party (especially VS1) from the 70's and 80's, and I ought to do
some mass scanning and uploading of 'em.  Stay tuned...

Fred
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Re: Weekend shootings

2002-06-15 Thread ERNReed

My dad (owner of a K1000) is dragging me downtown to shoot classic cars 
gathering for the Great American Road Race or whatever they're calling it ... 
I'm taking the digital and five SmartMedia -- oh, and the ZX-5n + 28-70/4 + 
Provia 400F.

ERNR
My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed
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Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Alexander Grigolia wrote:
A number of new Limited lenses? Are you trying to tell us that Pentax may
release MORE then one Limited lens at Photokina in September?

Remember in 2001 when the list was abuzz with reports of a Limited 18mm? 
Maybe that's one of them.


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Did Pentax make M42 28/f2?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Pentax never made such a fast 28 in screwmount. Your best choice would be a 
Vivitar Series One 28/1.9. It is regularly available in screwmount for less 
than $120.

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Large Digital Prints

2002-06-15 Thread Doug Franklin

Howdy, folks,

Does anyone know of services out there that can produce large-format
prints from digital images?  I'm talking a minimum of 11 x 14 prints
and on up to maybe 30 x 36.  The source image would be about 6000 x
4000 pixels at 42-bit color (14 bits per color).  I've done some
searching on the web, and there are a lot of places that can print up
to 11 x 14 but I'm having trouble finding ones that do larger prints.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Re: May PUG Review from Cotty

2002-06-15 Thread Doug Franklin

On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:28:28 +0100, Cotty wrote:

 Curves (racing car abstract)
 Doug Franklin

In case I haven't already done so, I'll take this chance to thank you
for your kind words.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Book: Examples... by Ansel

2002-06-15 Thread Brentwo1025

I've been reading over this book recently just to get a feel for how a 
well-known photographer went about his work. Its a pretty good book, 
although, a lot of the pictures have similarities, making some of the 
narratives a little repetitive: Most of them were taken only a little ways 
from his car. He used a yellow 15 filter on a large number of them. All of 
them seem to have had a technical problem to overcome (too much contrast, or 
this tone blends with that tone, or his favorite...this negative was very 
difficult to print).

One thing that I did notice that was strikingly different about a lot of his 
photographs was that he didn't stick to just one film or just one developer. 
Most of what I hear on forums and primers and the like seem to echo the 
opposite of that. Find a film you like, stick with it, and do similarly with 
processing until you feel confident to experiment. Ansel appears to do more 
than experiment though. He presents each situation as if he knew the nuances 
of exposing, developing, and printing with various films, developers, and 
papers (even so much as mixing different developers together). 

To me, It is really quite astonishing. Ansel truly appears to be a technical 
genius (say what you like about his photos being mere postcards, although i'd 
like to not open that can of worms for this discussion). Am I more astonished 
than I should be at this? Or am I just not knowledgeable enough to recognize 
flowery representation of mediocrity? He did, afterall, write the book 
himself.

Brent Roberts
B'hamAlabamanot England
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Re: Large Digital Prints

2002-06-15 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Doug Franklin
Subject: Large Digital Prints


 Howdy, folks,

 Does anyone know of services out there that can produce
large-format
 prints from digital images?  I'm talking a minimum of 11 x
14 prints
 and on up to maybe 30 x 36.  The source image would be about
6000 x
 4000 pixels at 42-bit color (14 bits per color).  I've done
some
 searching on the web, and there are a lot of places that can
print up
 to 11 x 14 but I'm having trouble finding ones that do
larger prints.

Try:

Photographic Solutions
Attn: Aaron
233 Cross Avenue, unit C-3
Oakville, ON
Canada   L6J 2W9
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am not sure exactly how big he goes.

Also:

Don's Photo: Winnipeg, MB
261 Vaughan St.
Winnipeg, Mb.
R3C 1T2
Telephone: (204)942-3143
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Again, I am not sure how big they go, they did a beautiful 12x18
digital to photographic paper print for me.

William Robb
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Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada

2002-06-15 Thread David Brooks

David.
My SMC A 7-210 F4 that was shipped to me via USPS mail was delivered by a
Purolator guy.When i asked him how come he was delivering something sent
from USPS he cheerfully explained they do the delivery for the post office
on this side of the boarder.
As Johnny Carson was so fond of saying I did not know that :)
Dave
Oh and no extra fees,even though they had a peek inside:)
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From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada


 If he shipped via FedEx, it means he could have shipped USPS.
 He could have made a profit, because to ship a filter by mail wouldn't
cost
 more than $1.

 I had a Stroboframe mailed to me for $4 by an inexperienced seller.

 Jeff

 - Original Message -
 From: David Chang-Sang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:16 PM
 Subject: RE: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada


  The Seller advertised UPS, FedEx and USPS shipping.. but because I'm in
  Canada he could only ship via UPS.
 
  The point of the post wasn't so much to do with the shipping cost (i.e.
  $9.00 US) but to do with brokerage fees that UPS charges when something
  comes across the world's longest unprotected border
 
  Dave
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Chan
  Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:51 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada
 
 
  After the auction was over, the seller told me the cost for shipping
 ($9.00
  US) by UPS.
 
  Hate to say this, but shouldn't the question be asked before bidding?
 
  regards,
  Alan Chan
 
 
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RE: 24-90 vs. 28-105

2002-06-15 Thread Arthur D. Grokhovski

 Thank you.
 Your pictures are beautiful. Especially - Samos, Greece.
 
 Arthur
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Raimo Korhonen
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Vs: 24-90 vs. 28-105
 
 The 24-90 is excellent.
 All the best!
 Raimo
 Personal photography homepage at
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
 
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 Lähettäjä: Arthur D. Grokhovski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Päivä: 15. kesäkuuta 2002 18:36
 Aihe: 24-90 vs. 28-105
 
 
  Hi!
 
  After an incident by the journalistic tests of a new
motorboat I have
 broken my old PowerZoom 28-105. Somebody can advise to me a
comparable
 on optics quality modern zoom from Pentax? Is 24-90 enough
good as PZ
 28-105 or no? What you can advise to me?
 
  
 
 Sincerely yours,
 
 Arthur D. Grokhovski
 
 Sail department editor
 
 Power and sail boats
 
 191186, St.-Petersburg, M.Morskaya st., #8
 
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RE: Large Digital Prints

2002-06-15 Thread Butch Black

You can try Photo Images 1-800-637-1440, www.pisite.com/
I have never used them but they have been advertising in Shutterbug for a
while. If you do try them let us know how you like the results.

BUTCH

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What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?

2002-06-15 Thread Jos from Holland

Dear group,
I see an opportunity to buy the above lens at a good price.
How is this lens? Any opinion? What would be a good price (in Europe =
normally lower than in USA!)
I love the fisheye effect of my smc-M28 with a HAMA fisheye adapter. Does
the Pentax give a strong fisheye effect? I could not try the lens yet.Some
pictures?


Greetings, Jos from Holland
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Re: New to the world of Pentax and Photogrophy!!

2002-06-15 Thread Mike P

Thank you all with the suggestions.  I just shot my first roll so I'll see
how they turn out after I get them back.

Also any New York metro people on the list?

-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: New to the world of Pentax and Photogrophy!!


Hi, Mike,

First, welcome to the list.  You'll learn a lot about Pentaxes and
photography
here.  The KX is a favourite among many here;  I'm sure you'll enjoy yours.
You're among good company with that body (not me though!).

Anyway, about the specks - I wouldn't worry about them.  Unless they are so
numerous that it makes looking throught the viewfinder difficult, they
aren't a
problem.  They won't affect the photos you take at all.

In fact, cleaning them may make things worse - smudging up focusing screens
and
the like.  There is a way to clean them (I'm sure someone else here will
tell
you), but like I said, unless they're ~real~ bad, leave 'em.

regards,
frank

Mike P wrote:

 Hi all!!

 Today in the mail I received my first Pentax SLR camera.  It's a KX
series.
 And a few days ago I received a SMC 50/1.7 pentax series A lens.

 When I look through the eye piece I can see specks.  It's not the lens
 because they are still there with out the lens.  How should I go about
 cleaning this?

 Thanks a bunch

 Mike
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Re: K105/2.8?

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What's good price for K105/2.8? the seller describes it as
The mechanics are flawless. The aperture clicks are positive with no
play. The focus is smooth but firm. Cosmetically it is AN 8, USER
CONDITION, with minor signs of wear, SUCH AS SLIGHT BRASSING ON THE
TIPS OF THE APERTURE RING, A HAIRLINE METAL TRACE AT BASE OF MOUNT

Mishka,
It goes for about $170 to $230, depending on condition. If you want it, and 
it's under $250, get it; you can always sell it, but you probably won't 
want to.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Vs: 24-90 vs. 28-105

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Comments about the 24-90 are more consistently positive.

Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Vs: 24-90 vs. 28-105

2002-06-15 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Oops! I saw the V in Vs. and thought this was about the Vivitars, 
forgetting that Vivitar made a 24-70 and 28-90 but not a 24-90.

I wrote:
Comments about the 24-90 are more consistently positive.

Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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A Word to the Wise

2002-06-15 Thread pdml

A Word to the Wise.

After commiting to purchasing my ME SE ( That I offered to the PDML ) 
on Monday and then not responding to my subsequent e-mails over the 
last 5 days, Scott Cheung ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) has now informed 
me that he won an MX on eBay and is no longer interest in my ME SE.

Be careful in dealing with this person.

Mark Gosdin


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RE: What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?

2002-06-15 Thread Jos from Holland

In fact, I am not sure it is a fish eye type. The person is not selling it
like that. he does not know much about lenses., but in a test in a magazin I
saw about SMC-F 17-28/ 3.5-4.5 being a fish eye. maybe there is also a
rectangular version?
Jos from Holland.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Jos from Holland
Verzonden: zaterdag 15 juni 2002 21:36
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?


Dear group,
I see an opportunity to buy the above lens at a good price.
How is this lens? Any opinion? What would be a good price (in Europe =
normally lower than in USA!)
I love the fisheye effect of my smc-M28 with a HAMA fisheye adapter. Does
the Pentax give a strong fisheye effect? I could not try the lens yet.Some
pictures?


Greetings, Jos from Holland
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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread John Glover

Actually, though Keppler didn't call them by name, he wrote a scathing
editorial about a an advertiser they were actually going to ban from POP
Photo for bait and switch, inflated return charges and just generally being
rude to their customers. About a month after or so that editorial,
Cambridge's ads dissappeared from POP, and they had advertised in POP for
*ages*.So, putting two and two together..

But then again, this is just all *circumstantial *   :)


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From: Jim  Jackie Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: A certain retailer


 A while back I was looking to buy a Minox GT-E and did an internet search.
 AAA and Cambridge came up with cheaper prices than anyone. When I called
to
 inquire about the camera, both were sold out and had questionable stories
 about when another shipment would come in. I got weird vibes from both
 companies and decided to look elsewhere and pay more. I also remembered
them
 advertising in all the camera magazines and I couldn't find an add for
 either store in the current issues of POP Photo or Shutterbug. That
probably
 says a lot for their reputation.

 Jim
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Re[2]: What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?

2002-06-15 Thread Bruce Dayton

Jos,

It is a fisheye zoom.  What happens is when it is at the 17mm end, it
looks like a standard 180 degree fisheye.  But as you zoom towards the
35mm end, it starts to look more corrected.  The 35mm end is actually
closer in AOV to a 20mm rectilinear lens.  I have one and find it to
be quite versatile and fun.

See these for some samples:
http://pug.komkon.org/00nove/bkdPUG1100.html
http://pug.komkon.org/01jul/bkdpug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/01sep/bkdpug.html

A very fun lens.  No one else makes a zoom version like this.  It kind
of lets you dial in how much fisheye effect you want.  I strongly
recommend it.


Bruce



Saturday, June 15, 2002, 1:55:36 PM, you wrote:

JfH In fact, I am not sure it is a fish eye type. The person is not selling it
JfH like that. he does not know much about lenses., but in a test in a magazin I
JfH saw about SMC-F 17-28/ 3.5-4.5 being a fish eye. maybe there is also a
JfH rectangular version?
JfH Jos from Holland.

JfH -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
JfH Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JfH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Jos from Holland
JfH Verzonden: zaterdag 15 juni 2002 21:36
JfH Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JfH Onderwerp: What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?


JfH Dear group,
JfH I see an opportunity to buy the above lens at a good price.
JfH How is this lens? Any opinion? What would be a good price (in Europe =
JfH normally lower than in USA!)
JfH I love the fisheye effect of my smc-M28 with a HAMA fisheye adapter. Does
JfH the Pentax give a strong fisheye effect? I could not try the lens yet.Some
JfH pictures?


JfH Greetings, Jos from Holland
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RE: What about SMC-F 17-28 fisheye?

2002-06-15 Thread Alan Chan

In fact, I am not sure it is a fish eye type. The person is not selling it
like that. he does not know much about lenses., but in a test in a magazin 
I
saw about SMC-F 17-28/ 3.5-4.5 being a fish eye. maybe there is also a
rectangular version?

It's a fisheye zoom. There is 1 version only. If you like fisheye, and you 
want Pentax, this is the one (there are also the 16mm and 17mm manual focus 
fisheyes).

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Pentax and Minolta on Life Support

2002-06-15 Thread Alan Chan

Right now
the US and Canada make up almost 50% of the entire world
market for digital cameras.

I seriously doubt these numbers (can anyone check this up?). Not long ago 
numbers were published that showed another scenario; the US were quite a 
bit behind Europe and Japan as the biggest digital markets. The digital 
market share in units, as opposed to value,  has exceeded 50% in Japan and 
certain European markets.

Personally I don't think the figure is accurate too (although I have no 
information on that). It's hard to imagine people up here would buy all 
those high tech toys when most of them are still using aged cell phone 
(don't take it an insult pls), not to mention other grandold AV equipments. 
It's unlike the market in Japan, people always opt for the latest high tech 
toys (just check out their 2ndhand retailers and u know what I mean).

regards,
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Re: Pentax and Minolta on Life Support

2002-06-15 Thread Lawrence Kwan

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-1] Pål Audun Jensen wrote:
 Bruce wrote:
 Right now the US and Canada make up almost 50% of the entire world
 market for digital cameras.
 I seriously doubt these numbers (can anyone check this up?).

It is correct.  According to IDC (International Data Corp) report for
2001, North America represents 47% of the world digital camera market.

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Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada

2002-06-15 Thread GM

I know. I am a Canadian temporarily living in the US, and hate UPS (and
despise their brokerage fees). It is just that, having dealt with sending
things by US Postal Parcel service, you can see why a vendor would prefer to
use UPS, just because of the time saved on the shipping side. When I return
to Canada I will not deal with a vendor who does not offer a non-UPS
shipping option, for the reasons described.


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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada


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 From: GM
 Subject: Re: OT: Shipping from U.S. - Receiving In Canada


  The choice of UPS (or Fedex) is largely a matter of
 convenience and time for
  the seller. For a small retailer to deal with the USPS is very
 wasteful of
  time and effort. They make Canada Post look customer friendly.
 I try to use
  USPS for all my on-line purchases, but they are a PITA for
 sending things.
  Because they have so few postal stations (here in southern CA
 at least, you
  can stand in line for 45 min to mail a $10 parcel.
  Never had anything broken by any of the services though.

 I would suggest that if you want to sell to people in Canada,
 you should explore any shipping option other than UPS. Fed-Ex is
 very good, as is Global Logistics, which uses Purolator as the
 delivery sompany in Canada.

 For a private individual in Canada to deal with UPS is very
 wasteful of time and effort. They make El Quaida look like model
 citizens.

 The UPS issue up here is ongoing, and the company seems
 uninterested in fixing their problems.

 For myself, if you insist on shipping UPS, I insist on shopping
 elsewhere. This would include breaking eBay contracts if the
 shipper insisted on UPS after the fact.

 They really are that bad.

 William Robb
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Re: New to the world of Pentax and Photogrophy!!

2002-06-15 Thread gfen

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Mike P wrote:
 Hi all!!

Is no where safe from you? You should've shown up Friday night, btw..

:)

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Re: Disturbing virus developments - umm... no :)

2002-06-15 Thread Mark Roberts

David Chang-Sang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

heh...

http://features.slashdot.org/features/02/06/14/1343223.shtml?tid=166

You folks may want to take the sky is falling news from the variety of
anti-virus software manufacturers with a grain of salt.  Lest we forget that
they are, in fact, in the business of contributing to the fear of viruses
(yes, that's the correct pluralization of the word virus)

Jeezis! I've never seen anything I thought was worthwhile before on slashdot but
I guess there's a first time for everything. That article sums up pretty much
everything I wasted to post about this virus (albeit in somewhat coarser
language). 

This virus is an executable. Yes, it adds a copy of itself to every JPG on your
hard drive, but these copies DON'T DO ANYTHING! Not to your computer or to the
computer of anyone else who gets the JPG. Only transmision of the *executable*
(which is accomplished through the usual email attachment trojan approach) can
transmit the virus.

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in praise of split prism focussing: Sigma 15-30mm lens

2002-06-15 Thread Richard Seaman

folks,

As I mentioned on the list a month or two ago, I've had a lot of trouble 
getting sharply focussed results from the Sigma 15-30mm EX lens I bought 
about a year ago.  In fact, I don't know of a single acceptably focussed 
shot I've had from that lens.  I had been using it with a Z-1 and an MZ-5, 
doing the focus manually using these cameras' matte screens.

Now before you tell me that my technique must be at fault, let me 
mention that I do all of my photography with manual focus, since most of my 
lenses are manual, so I've shot an awful lot of film this way, always with 
good results.  I also tried the Sigma on the Z-1 in auto-focus mode, 
shooting some easy-to-focus subjects, and with higher-than-necessary shutter 
speeds, and again the result was unacceptable.  Of course, the processing 
lab might have been at fault, but I use them an awful lot and rarely have 
problems with them.

So finally I got really desperate, and shot a roll of 36 exposures using 
this lens mounted on my entirely manual MZ-M camera.  I just got the film 
back, and darned if every photo isn't sharp as a tack!  As you probably 
picked up from the title of this email, I did all the focussing using the 
split prism.  I was concerned I might have to junk this lens, so it's a 
relief to know that everything's OK.

Richard.

home page:  www.richard-seaman.com


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Re: Large Digital Prints

2002-06-15 Thread Chris Brogden

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Herb Chong wrote:

 Does anyone know of services out there that can produce large-format
 prints from digital images?  I'm talking a minimum of 11 x 14 prints
 and on up to maybe 30 x 36.  The source image would be about 6000 x
 4000 pixels at 42-bit color (14 bits per color).  I've done some
 searching on the web, and there are a lot of places that can print up
 to 11 x 14 but I'm having trouble finding ones that do larger
 prints.

Some places will make wide-format inkjet prints.  Ours (Don's Photo) are
36 wide by however long you want it, or you can get regular prints from
digital files in any size smaller than that.  The best email address to
use there is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread Chris Brogden

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as I know this is an illegal selling practice.

 I thought about reporting them to the NYC Better Business Bureau but
 since many of you know them to be frauds these posts serve the same
 purpose.

Not really.  The BBB was created specifically to deal with this problem,
and you can help many, many more people by telling them than by telling
us.  The more complaints lodged against shady retailers the better.

chris
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Re: 24-90 vs. 28-105

2002-06-15 Thread Joseph Tainter

As others have noted, the 24-90 is excellent. It is not, however, built
as well as the Power Zoom 28-105. That lens is still available new in a
few places, and used from KEH.

Joe
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Re: Weekend shootings (long)

2002-06-15 Thread Matt Bevers

So I'd decided I was going to do some shooting at a local park today, but I
thought I should wait until this evening to get some nice warm near-sunset
light.  Around six, I leave for the park, throwing the hiking guide book in
the car with me so I can look up the directions.  Half-way there, I realize
I had grabbed the wrong book and the directions aren't in there.  So, I try
to find it just based on what I remember.  Obviously, I can't find it, so I
turn around and go home.  I get the book and head out again.  Of course, I
find the park is only 1 mile down the road from where I had been before, or
so I think.  I park and get out of the car, only to realize that I'm at the
wrong end of the lake I was going to shoot.  I had been hoping to do some
hiking as well, but I'm rapidly running out of light for that since the
trails close at sunset.  Oh well, I think, I'll just set up here and see
what there is to see.  I pull out the tripod and set it up, and then pull
out my MX only to realize that the quick-release plate for the tripod isn't
on the camera.  It isn't on the tripod or in the bag either.  Doh!  I guess
I'll be hand-holding.  It turns out to be just as well, because in my
frustration I can't seem to be inspired to shoot anything around me.  I fire
off a couple frames and finally decide to leave.

Not wanting to give up totally, I go ahead and drive to the other end of the
park to see a pond that sounded promising in the book.  I actually find the
right trail this time and wander about 100 yards down it, only to see a sign
reading Area Closed for Restoration.  You've got to be kidding me, I say
aloud.  This turns out to be the most fortuitous thing I've done all day
because the sound of my voice causes two white-tailed deer to pop their
heads up out of the grass next to me.  I get a couple frames off before they
head into the woods.  I decide to call this an omen, ignore the sign and
head down to the pond.  I find a fairly friendly grouping of geese there and
(despite my usual opinion that the creatures are rather nasty) proceed to
get quite a few decent shots in.  At one point I glance down and notice that
my frame counter has just advanced to 36, just in time for another deer to
come out of the woods up the hill, which is now bathed in that warm light
I've been waiting all day for.  I quick check my bag to see what else I have
in the way of film and find to my horror that I only have one back-up roll,
of Kodak T400CN.  Black and white wasn't exactly what I had in mind for
today.  So, I take my last frame and head back up the trail to the car.  On
the way, I see a woman crouched down in the trail, examining a box turtle
that has wandered into the path.  I'm nearly out of light now, but I go
ahead and load the 400CN, rate it at 800 and proceed to take some turtle
portraits.  Fortunately, I did have a small pocket tripod in the bag, so I
get down on my belly and face to face with the turtle for about a dozen more
shots.

So, all in all, not a bad day of shooting.  Upon arriving home, I reflected
on what had been the most significant thing I learned today.  Was it to not
leave the tripod plate just lying about?  Was it to double check the
equipment before leaving home?  Was it to make sure of your directions
_before_ getting in the car?  Was it to always, always take an extra roll of
film?  

No, the most significant thing I learned today was that I need longer,
faster lenses ;)

-Matt

on 6/15/02 2:27 PM, David Brooks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well if the rain goes away and the fog lifts so i can see at least 25
 feet: ), I hope to shoot an old wood shed in the back of the horse farm with
 some FP+4 and a few fallen down barns in the area.Fog would make for a good
 picture on some i have in mind but its too thick as i speak.
 
 Dave
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 From: CBWaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:34 PM
 Subject: Weekend shootings
 
 
 I want to burn some film this weekend and don't really have anything going
 on so  figure I will wander around the yard or possibly a local park.
 There's always the family get-together on Father's Day (happy day to all
 the
 PDMLDads!)
 
 What's everyone else planning to capture this weekend?
 
 Cory Waters
 
 Technology isn't perfect but it sure beats a wig full of angry
 bunnies --
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Re: Weekend shootings

2002-06-15 Thread Jeff Post

I am (or maybe that should be was) planning on shooting the Balloon 
festival in Quechee, VT.  Unfortunately it has been more it less rained 
out.  I get a some shots Friday night before the rain came, but the night 
glow, Saturday morning, and Saturday evening launches were cancelled.

 Jeff
At 07:31 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:34:22 -0400
From: CBWaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Weekend shootings

I want to burn some film this weekend and don't really have anything going
on so  figure I will wander around the yard or possibly a local park.
There's always the family get-together on Father's Day (happy day to all the
PDMLDads!)

What's everyone else planning to capture this weekend?

Cory Waters

Technology isn't perfect but it sure beats a wig full of angry bunnies --
The announcer from Sheep in the BIG City on Cartoon Network
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Re: best sounding shutter?

2002-06-15 Thread Jeff Post

Clicks and buzzes eh.  The best description I have heard is kachunk whirr, 
kachunk whirr.  Then there was someone telling me theirs sounded like a 
tractor trailer going up a steep hill.
I have to agree with both of those descriptions.  With the winder LX the 
shutter definitely does not just go click.
At 02:02 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Without doubt: the Pentax MX with Motor Drive. It's THE archetypal pro
still camera sound. The LX just clicks and buzzes a bit. The MX clicks
and swoshs... (!)

Cotty
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FS: ME SE Body ME Case

2002-06-15 Thread pdml

Since the previous buyer backed out on me, I still have the following 
items for sale ( The 50/1.4 M is sold. ):

Pentax ME SE in Excellent condition.  ( See the image from Boz's K-
Mount web site for this exact camera. 
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/M/ME_SE.jpg )
Everything works, the camera is clean with minimal use.

$130.00 + Shipping by buyer's choice.

Original Pentax case for the ME, also in Excellent condition.

$20.00 + Shipping by buyer's choice.

If you are interested contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mark Gosdin


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Re: A certain retailer

2002-06-15 Thread Bmacrae

In a message dated 6/15/2002 4:18:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 The BBB was created specifically to deal with this problem,
 and you can help many, many more people by telling them than by telling
 us.

No offense Chris but that's quite an assumption. The BBB is just another 
bureaucracy that would treat my complaint only as it related to any others it 
may have. Who's to say they would act on it and give it the attention I feel 
it merits? Besides, I didn't lose any money, just a little time out of my 
day. In any event, I'm certainly not doing them any favors by calling them 
scam artists in a public forum. Also, I didn't wish to provide my name and 
address and other info in order to lodge a complaint which is required by the 
BBB. Perhaps you'd take issue with this but that's my prerogative. 

This list contains an audience of photographers of all levels. I would say 
it's the perfect forum to disseminate this information. It takes a lot less 
time to get the word out on the list than file with the BBB and I'll bet it's 
a lot more effective. I mean if this has been going on for some time you can 
bet the BBB is already aware of them. How did that help me avoid them? See my 
point? Granted, a posting to the list may not reach as many people but it's 
better than nothing.

-Brendan MacRae
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ebay ID Pentaxer

2002-06-15 Thread Jeff Post

Is anyone on the list the ebay id pentaxer?  They had a Pentax A 1.4X-L 
teleconverter up for auction.  Long story short, My high bid was below the 
reserve.  I was wondering what they would be willing to sell it for.


Thanks,
Jeff 
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Re: in praise of split prism focussing: Sigma 15-30mm lens

2002-06-15 Thread Alan Chan

Sounds like you have answered your own question. Time to dump the Sigma and 
buy a Pentax instead. (I have already said Sigma was shit many times and 
nobody believed)  :)

regards,
Alan Chan

As I mentioned on the list a month or two ago, I've had a lot of 
trouble getting sharply focussed results from the Sigma 15-30mm EX lens I 
bought about a year ago.  In fact, I don't know of a single acceptably 
focussed shot I've had from that lens.  I had been using it with a Z-1 and 
an MZ-5, doing the focus manually using these cameras' matte screens.

Now before you tell me that my technique must be at fault, let me 
mention that I do all of my photography with manual focus, since most of my 
lenses are manual, so I've shot an awful lot of film this way, always with 
good results.  I also tried the Sigma on the Z-1 in auto-focus mode, 
shooting some easy-to-focus subjects, and with higher-than-necessary 
shutter speeds, and again the result was unacceptable.  Of course, the 
processing lab might have been at fault, but I use them an awful lot and 
rarely have problems with them.

So finally I got really desperate, and shot a roll of 36 exposures 
using this lens mounted on my entirely manual MZ-M camera.  I just got the 
film back, and darned if every photo isn't sharp as a tack!  As you 
probably picked up from the title of this email, I did all the focussing 
using the split prism.  I was concerned I might have to junk this lens, so 
it's a relief to know that everything's OK.


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I'm back...

2002-06-15 Thread David A. Mann

Hi all,

I made it back to NZ in one piece.  Flights were nice and smooth but 
I'm really feeling the effects of 26 hours flying plus 13 hours of 
jet-lag, and more security checks and paper forms than I care to 
remember.  LA had more forms but Auckland had more checking 
(including sniffer dogs).  My last flight landed at 8:20am in a -4deg 
(celcius) frost; its a bit cold down this way today... and I have to 
try and stay awake all day :)

Had a few new toys to play with, the FA*400mm f/5.6 which seems to be 
in pretty good condition, and the Z-1p grip which is very nice (it'd 
be even better if I used my right eye).  I took the 400mm out for a 
spin in the park earlier but I am so tired I had to give up and bake 
my brain on the internet until its late enough to go to bed.  What 
little impression I have of it is that its quite nice to use.

I tried out the 6x7 TTL prism finder I bought at Photographica, the 
one I thought was broken because I couldn't see the needle.  Well it 
definitely functions but it is in need of calibration.  Flipping the 
switch to on brings the needle into view but its a couple of stops 
out, as far as I can tell.  The needle swings back out of view when 
switched off.  My new Rodenstock 3x loupe for 6x6 is very nice, if I 
do say so myself.

I had a look through about a dozen rolls worth of prints.  Got some 
nice photos of Cotty and Bob W but they won't be made public without 
permission :)  Also have a couple of bad pictures of Peter's monster 
lens.

Its really strange using a real computer again after two months of 
being stuck with a laptop... boy does this screen look big now.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
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Screwmount Stuff For Auction

2002-06-15 Thread J. C. O'Connell

JUST PUT A BUNCH MORE SCREWMOUNT STUFF FOR AUCTION:

http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/JCO_AUCT.HTM

THANKS FOR THE READ,
JCO
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MZ-60QD

2002-06-15 Thread Brett Mckay

Does anyone know any info about this new Pentax that is about to released?

I take it to be Pentax's first digital SLR, based around the MZ body.
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Re: MZ-60QD

2002-06-15 Thread gfen

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Brett Mckay wrote:
 Does anyone know any info about this new Pentax that is about to released?
 I take it to be Pentax's first digital SLR, based around the MZ body.

I was under the impression it was the replacement for the ZX-30.

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Re: Pentax and Minolta on Life Support

2002-06-15 Thread Bruce Rubenstein

Thank you. You saved me the effort of digging up the reference. I have been
trying to make an effort to include references to the sources for things
like this.


From: Lawrence Kwan
 Bruce wrote:
 Right now the US and Canada make up almost 50% of the entire world
 market for digital cameras.
 I seriously doubt these numbers (can anyone check this up?).

It is correct.  According to IDC (International Data Corp) report for
2001, North America represents 47% of the world digital camera market.
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Re: MZ-60QD

2002-06-15 Thread Nitin Garg

mz-60qd doesnt sound like digital. qd stands for quartz databack.


On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 11:04:19PM -0400, gfen wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Brett Mckay wrote:
  Does anyone know any info about this new Pentax that is about to released?
  I take it to be Pentax's first digital SLR, based around the MZ body.
 
 I was under the impression it was the replacement for the ZX-30.
 
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Re: in praise of split prism focussing: Sigma 15-30mm lens

2002-06-15 Thread Ken Archer

What Sigma lenses have you owned and used that you base this opinion on?

On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:31 pm, Alan Chan wrote:
 Sounds like you have answered your own question. Time to dump the
 Sigma and buy a Pentax instead. (I have already said Sigma was shit
 many times and nobody believed)  :)
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