On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, shaun everiss wrote:
I say this to be telling everyone my opinion.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, as the popular saying goes. What
follows are some of my own.
And I am trying to be as nice as I can.
I think this needs work. JMO. :)
To be honest I do not
Hi Shaun,
Well, not knowing anything about the conversation in question it is
hard to comment on it, but a lot of people have unrealistic
expectations. Especially, if it is their first time beta testing and
have little to no actual skills with software development. Some
people, for whatever
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Ok, Ok!
Enough is enough.
I wasn't going to chime in because of the reasons below.
However enough is enough.
No one has pushed
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Ok, Ok!
Enough is enough.
I wasn't going to chime in because of the reasons below.
However enough is enough.
No one has pushed
Hi Stephen,
I imagine it would be extremely unpopular for a developer to slag a
customer or tester for finding too many crashes or bugs. Fortunately,
I can not think of too many developers who would do that, because the
number of bugs customers find the easier it is to gather information
about
Not that I've ever heard of a dev slagging a customer for finding too many
bus.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
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Hi Stephen,
I imagine it would be extremely unpopular for a developer to slag a
customer or tester for finding too many crashes or bugs. Fortunately,
I can not think of too many developers who would do
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Hi Dark,
I don't think I have ever heard your Fighting Fantasy podcast, but I'd
like to hear it if you have a link to it. Not just for the voices, but
I'd be interested
be holding my breath. LOL.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
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I don't think you could have said
be holding my breath. LOL.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
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I don't think you could have said
Hi Shaun,
Yes, it is true if a person is a game developer, a software developer
of any kind for that matter, he or she must willing to put up with a
certain amount of flack from the user base. That is all apart of the
territory of designing software. Someone will like what a developer
does and
09, 2014 10:02 PM
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Hi Shaun,
Yes, it is true if a person is a game developer, a software developer
of any kind for that matter, he or she must willing to put up with a
certain amount of flack from
Hi Bryan,
No, Philip didn't take pre-orders for Perilous Hearts for precisely
the reasons you stated below, nor did I mean to imply he did. What I
meant to say was that a game developer can release a preview or demo,
to give perspective customers an idea of the game, and then optionally
take
Yeah I agree with you there, someone over skype to one of the devs of
the group I work with or at least one of them went nuts at him
probably because he expected far to much.
At 05:02 PM 3/10/2014, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Yes, it is true if a person is a game developer, a software developer
of
Hi Bryan,
Oh, I don't know about that. I have gotten use to Espeak and it isn't
that bad once you get use to it. Of course, it is the default voice on
Linux and I have used it with NVDA a lot so I probably have just grown
use to the sound of Espeak. Either way, the voice of Keynote use to
get
Hi Dark,
Lol. No, Angela Carter wasn't suppose to be Australian, but I didn't
see the voice of the game as being representative of her voice or
nationality. I just considered the voice of the game as the TTS
output. Nothing more and nothing less. I could have used Realspeak Tom
as the TTS output
Hi Dark,
I don't think I have ever heard Alan or Carol. The only Orpheus voices
I have ever heard were pretty robotic and sounded like Robbie the
Robot on drugs.
Cheers!
On 3/8/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Well it depends upon which orphius voice. the default synthetic ones are
pretty
.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 12:51 PM
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Hi Dark,
Lol. No, Angela Carter
Hi tom.
The orphius voice you heard was likely synthetic dave, which is indeed very
robotic. However, in Supernova version 6 dolphin started shipping the human
voices as default, and if you hear my podcast about the fighting fatnasy
project game that I made in 2007, it has that voice.
Hi Dark,
I don't think I have ever heard your Fighting Fantasy podcast, but I'd
like to hear it if you have a link to it. Not just for the voices, but
I'd be interested in hearing it for its own sake.
As for the Vocalizer voices there are actually three different
versions on the market.
Hi Dark,
Lol. I didn't quite see it that way at the time, but now that you
mention it I do like the idea of a badass Australian female with lots
of attitude. For one thing it would be different from the usual
American or English treasure hunter we see in movies and games, and I
do just like the
Hi Dark,
Ah, I understand now. Thanks for clearing that issue up for me.
When it comes to TTS voices one thing I have noticed there is a pretty
big difference in preference, and a lot of it comes down to what a
person is use to. Eloquence came with Jaws and even Window-Eyes for
many versions
Hi Tom.
I do understand both the responsiveness and dictionary points sinse both are
reasons I used to like the human voices from orphius although annoyingly
it's had a nasty habbit of crashing on me recently so I've switched to
vocalizer full time. At least with the later versions of
I think espeak sounds a bit like orpheus or keynote gold.
using windows7 laptop
On 3/7/2014 2:04 PM, dark wrote:
Hi Tom.
I do understand both the responsiveness and dictionary points sinse
both are reasons I used to like the human voices from orphius although
annoyingly it's had a nasty
Hi Josh,
I disagree with that statement. I use to own and use Keynote Gold in
the 90's and Espeak doesn't sound anything like Keynote Gold in my
opinion. Yes, they are both robotic, but Espeak doesn't have the same
tone and inflection as Keynote Gold.
On 3/7/14, Josh joshknnd1...@gmail.com
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I don't really use Eloquence's British voices much, me being an
American, so I am perfectly fine with Reed. However, I can and do see
your issue with Eloquence because the British English voices sound off
to me as well, and I am use to listening to British voices like
Realspeak
No kidding. Espeak is worse as far asI'm concerned.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
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Hi Josh
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I think espeak sounds a bit like orpheus or keynote gold.
using windows7 laptop
On 3/7/2014 2:04 PM, dark
Hi Tom.
Personally I didn't mind the australian voice in the game, albeit was a
little surprising given that I don't believe Angela carter was planned to be
an ozy.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Personally I agree with Josh, I don't see what is wrong with sapi. Sinse
dolphin have (up to last year), been so precious about the api for
supernova, very few games have run with it, but that's not stopped me
playing Vipmud, alteraeon with Mush Z, Lone wolf etc.
The exception of course is
Hi Charles,
Lol. Yeah, I suppose for most people a wrapper is a wrap artist.
However, in programming a wrapper is simply a piece of code that wraps
another piece of code or a program with a different interface in order
to make it easier for a developer to use the API etc in question.
Cheers!
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I personally don't get what is wrong with Sapi either. It is a
quick and easy API, works fairly well for what it does, and there are
plenty of voices available for it. However, as a guess I suppose the
voices are precisely the issue people have with it.
A lot of Jaws users, for
Tho
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Hi Dark,
Yeah, I personally don't get what
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Tho
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Hi Tom.
that is likely true regarding people's feelings, however equaly that
arguement isn't really a tenable one anymore sinse the days when a high
quality voice would cost you 200 quid or so are gone so your not really
talking sky rocket prices. Plus, on a personal level I'd actually
Hi Dark,
Well, it is certainly true the cost of most Sapi voices have gone down
in price. Most are reasonably priced about $30 to $45 USD which is
well within a person's budget. At least most of the time.
However, I disagree about Microsoft Mike, Mary, and Sam. In my opinion
those are some of
Windows is still one of the major gaming systems the blind will use
for a while.
True there are a lot of mainstream accessable games from smart phones
apple and android devices and some consoles.
However most that can afford it are moving to win7 and up now.
Yes eventually we may loose some of
There are a lot more things on the forum to.
I also know for a fact because I am on the teams that mtg, ks and
reality gaming have games out.
In fact reality gaming have just gone live with their snow boarding beta.
And this morning I did some sound work for at least 2 upcoming titles
and set
which is the problem.
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The only game I know of under development
Hi Shaun,
Actually, compared to other operating systems like OSX Windows is more
difficult to develop for not easier. The reason has to do with too
many different configurations, versions, and too many libraries and
languages that makes Windows difficult to support.
For example, right now there
Hi Shaun,
True enough. I think a lot of developers choose not to say anything
unless they have something of substance to say because a lot of us
have gotten sick of negative feedback from this and other accessible
gaming communities. The minute a developer announces he or she has
something in the
!
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I think though sooner or later a lot more games
devices.
I for one can not afford an IPhone.
Lindsay Cowell
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From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
Date: 05/03/2014 8:54 pm
I think though sooner or later a lot more games will be developed
Hi Shaun,
Actually, there are more than one library out there for Windows for
accessing multiple screen readers. There is Accessible Output for
Python, there is Universal Speech which is available for various
languages, and now there is Tolk. So I agree supporting multiple
screen readers isn't
, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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Hi Shaun
I personally won't be holding my breath. LOL.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
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I don't
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Hi Dark,
Well, it is certainly true the cost of most Sapi voices have gone down
in price. Most are reasonably priced about $30 to $45
Are games for windows not being produced any more, if so, what games?
Lindsay Cowell.
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Hi Lindsay.
People are still making games for windows, especially many of the people
like Spoonbil, Aprone and Gma who always have, plus there are things like
interactive fiction, browser games, muds, text rpgs and the like (I was beta
testing a text rpg game for windows just the other
Cool what you beta testing for dark? That astro galaxies game?
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
Date: 05:03:2014 5.04 pm
Hi Lindsay.
People are still making games for windows, especially many of the people
that is the place to go.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Cool what you beta
Hi Lindsay,
Yes, there are still accessible games for Windows being developed.
Although, you don't always here about them on this list there are
various new games available that have been written in the last few
months or so.
From Draconis Entertainment we have their Silver Dollar game for
The only game I know of under development for Windows is Three
Monkeys. It's going to be an audio action roleplaying games using
binaural sound. That should be pretty awesome. News of accessible Game
development has always been very slow in coming for numerous reasons.
The only area where I think
games for windows not being produced any more?
The only game I know of under development for Windows is Three
Monkeys. It's going to be an audio action roleplaying games using
binaural sound. That should be pretty awesome. News of accessible Game
development has always been very slow in coming
I hope not. Apple devices arre more expensive than windows devices. I for one
can not afford an IPhone.
Lindsay Cowell
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From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
Date: 05/03/2014 8:54 pm
I
Hi, Yes there are still games being produced for Windows. We just
released another game in the Inspector Cyndi in Newport series, Dead
Man's Chest. It is available on our website www.7128.com.
In addition, we also released a kid's game for Windows, Find It - for
kids 8 and up.
Eleanor
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I think though sooner or later a lot more games will be developed for apple
devices over windows because
.
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The only game I know of under development for Windows is Three
Monkeys. It's
:
I hope not. Apple devices arre more expensive than windows devices. I for one
can not afford an IPhone.
Lindsay Cowell
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From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
Date: 05/03/2014 8:54 pm
I think
Hi Charles,
That is certainly part of it. Outputting text to speech is simpler for
a developer to do when there is a standard method for doing it such as
with SAPI which should be installed on every machine from XP on up by
default. With screen readers there are so many and each has its own
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:30 PM
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Hi Charles,
That is certainly part of it. Outputting text to speech is simpler for
a developer to do when there is a standard method for doing it such as
with SAPI which should
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