Certainly worth gathering examples. For my boys' wordlists, I wrote a
scraper that went to merriam-webster, looked up a list of words, and
created a XOXO approximation from their markup:
table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=400 border=0
tr
td align=left
One entry
On Nov 29, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
Authors aren't publishing links to geo and address information.
They're publishing *visible text* of geo and address information.
So the easiest thing to do, for the author, is to leave it as visible
text.
I can imagine, that for geo or addr
On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
On 11/30/05 4:55 PM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Never underestimate the usefulness of human-readable data.
Ryan, this is an excellent point, and I feel like something that needs
to be
added to that other blog-post-in-progress based
On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Benjamin Carlyle wrote:
I'm wanting to use tags as part of my blog entry posts, but I don't
like
explicit tagging. I just want a single link at the bottom of each blog
entry to point to its category, and for that to be interpreted as one
or
more tags.
Now,
OK, this brings us to the heart of Podcasting. For much discussion, see
the last two videos with rel=enclosure on my blog...
On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
On 12/3/05, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/2/05, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't
On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
This means working deliberately to avoid the two cardinal sins that
namespaces typical both enable and encourage:
1. The same term is used to mean two different things
2. Two terms are used to mean the same things
Indeed. In fact this is one
On Jan 4, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
On 1/4/06 1:52 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tantek Çelik wrote:
An explanation is different from a specification.
I would welcome a tutorial on rel-bookmark on microformats.org --
let's just
be very clear that it
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Ryan King wrote:
I don't know how the Structured Blogging wordpress plugin does this
(or whether it allow it at all), but in hReview you can do tagged
ratings. So, in your example:
a href=http://wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberPunk_Visuals;
Degree of CyberPunk Visuals:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Ryan King wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Chris Messina wrote:
The definition:
A microsummary is a short compilation of the most important
information on a web page, f.e. the ticker symbol and price
for a stock quote page.
TWX: 17.07
A
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
What do you mean by plants? Garden plants? Plants as studied by
botanists? Plant-material, such as cut flowers, or planks of timber?
Is there really any ambiguity here? The former two are
On Mar 24, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Ryan King wrote:
Let's take a step back and think about whether a microformat for
plants is worthwhile–
Microformats are solutions to common problems, which means they often
end up being low hanging fruit.
That doesn't mean, however, that all low-hanging-fruit
On Mar 27, 2006, at 3:40 PM, jer wrote:
Boy, once Doc gets a hold of something... I was going to send out a
little note here asking for some feedback, but it's gone full circle
already :)
Anyway, MicroID isn't exactly a microformat all by itself but it can
be expressed in conjunction with
On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:27 PM, Sam Sethi wrote:
So who's the new Google ;-)
depends who you ask:
http://www.google.com/searchq=%22is+the+new+google%22
says yahoo
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=%22is+the+new+google%22
says 37 signals or maybe wikipedia
On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:42 AM, Chris Messina wrote:
I disagree, but then I've always been a fan of DLs. The problem that I
see with only using q cite and bq is that they're ways of
loosely pairing a speaker and what they've said. I don't know of any
way to closely couple the two.
At least with
On May 1, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
The problem with AppleScript is that it is actually not that
readable/writable (even in English *by* native English readers).
AppleScript has a superficial resemblance/reuse of English terms which
makes
it look a lot easier than it actually is
On May 31, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
There are some indexers of specific microformats right now (e.g.
Reevoo and
Kritx both index hReviews), but no general microformats search engine.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I was indexing
On Jun 1, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Jun 1, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Kevin Marks wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
There are some indexers of specific microformats right now (e.g.
Reevoo and
Kritx both index
On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Mark Mansour wrote:
I have to say great job on the pingerati digester and multiplexer!
Just a couple of administrative items
- I cant get reach events.pingerati.com/ping/ or review.* as noted on
the about page (I stopped trying after these two failed)
Oops, that
On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Chris Messina wrote:
It would be interesting if the Pingerati infrastructure offered a
validation service -- or revealed mal-formed microformats.
A validator is orthogonal to pingerati, but if someone puts one
togtether I'll happily feed it pings.
Similarly
rel-enclosure is deliberately limited, so that it can be used as part
of a wider format.
The issue of alternative representations seems like a common one for
media. At the HTML level rel=alternate is used for this.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.3
If you are listing
Great, David - I'll add mine.
On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:36 AM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote:
Strangely enough!:
http://microformats.org/wiki/alternates-brainstorming
http://microformats.org/wiki/alternates-examples
Regards, etc...
David
Kevin Marks wrote:
rel-enclosure is deliberately limited
On Jun 22, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
Hamper compared to what?
When I'm telling someone about microformats and they express concern
that Technorati might try to control microformats as Microsoft or
Google has been feared trying
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
On 7/19/06 10:34 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
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wrote:
One good thing about XML, IMO, is that for certain simple markups
based on XML, it's easier for a beginner-level or intermediate-level
developer to write a parser for it (as
On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
I didn't mean to suggest you weren't following the process. I was
just trying to point out the humorous situation I was imagining, in
which someone walks by, sees you looking at a porn site, and then you
turn around and try in vain to explain
On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Pedro Custódio wrote:
Hi everyone!
I'm kind of new into the microformats world, so this doubt can have
actually been answered before, if so please excuse me! ;)
How do you take advantage of microformats on pages built using ajax
technology, I mean pages, which
This looks interesting - I was chatting to some of Apple's server team
last night at the webkit meetup.
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I'd say both points are arguable. From my point of view, tags should be
inside the post content, as otherwise they may be dropped from the
feed.
Likewise, Stephanie's other-language summaries are currently not in her
Atom feed, which makes it less useful, as I find the English summaries
handy
On Sep 18, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
- do we really need a /different/ microformat for every body being
described? is there a way to add a third value for type (or body, or
something more appropriate) to geo without breaking exiting spec /
rules or muddying things up too much?
I
On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin
Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
How about adding a container around the geo that specifies the planet
(or geoid, if you want to get extra fussy. You can say it defaults to
WSGS-84, which is backwards
are a good way to do
it :))
On 9/19/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 19, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Sebastian Küpers wrote:
http://xri.net/=sebastian/+hcard (just try this url in your browser)
at the moment it redirects you to my claimID account. but I can now
change it to my blog
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Brian Suda wrote:
I won't go too much technical detail on the discuss list, you can
email me off list for a complete explaination and how the W3C defines
the order of where to look for language encodings, etc.
Our own Mark Pilgrim wrote a good explanation of
Andy, you're missing the point.
A bare lat-long pair is not always helpful.
If that's all you have, you can't really display a useful map. The
existing mapping tools tend to use product-specific ways of specifying
the degree of zoom needed, to distinguish between the right side of my
desk,
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Michael MD wrote:
Not really, if it's a large city...
Consider Birmingham, England, whose centre is far from being
equidistant to all points on its boundary - it's in Ladywood on this
map:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/wards
GeoRSS uses a radius element,
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:24 PM, Kevin Marks wrote:
On Oct 2, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Chris Casciano wrote:
You could outline any territory as a series of geos if the need ever
arose. But I'm still not clear how we've gotten here. If I want to
say something is in Ireland, or Mexico City or somewhere
On Sep 25, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Jeremy Boggs wrote:
i would be very interested in helping to explore a history
microformat. In my spare time, I've been collecting examples of
history timelines, after discussions a few months ago on this list
about the inability of using hCalendar to mark up
On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Totally ignored the point I was trying to make... and that is that
describing a border - of any shape - by the use of a collection of
geo
coords (at whatever precision) is
You'll need a Flash-compatible browser - their geotagging is
Flash-based at the moment.
(we'd better get HTML-defining and evangelising to convert our Flickr
friends)
On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin
Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
That's 399 characters increased to 860 (excluding indentation); over
double.
when gzipped (with indentation) I get 308 bytes vs 498 ration 1.62
Stripping out the indentation and CRs and using more compact forms of
the mf markup I get
tr
On Oct 19, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin
Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
using more compact forms of the mf markup I get
Other than the 20061103T213000Z format for dates, what did you
change?
I removed a redundant 'title'.
gzipped I get 293
On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In itself, it's not significant, as it is well under a packet size, as
I said, and so will not affect download time.
Why is packet size relevant? The page concerned has many - and some
have
dozens - of table rows in similar format.
Good!
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
The good news is Apple in on our board, which means CalDAV would
be the
standard we'd employ.
CalDEV: http://ietf.osafoundation.org/caldav/
Now, it's my understanding that one of the benefits of Microformats is
that
it co-exists nicely
On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Christopher Rines wrote:
In my opinion amount is a really difficult one to abbreviate (or any
measure
for that matter) as it can be used to describe a lot of other things
for
which there is not yet a microformat but cur (for currency) is
interesting
as just off
On Oct 23, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
1:1 means that the field names are identical in each, not that the
use-case will always be the same. (Incidentally, I have seen vCards
made for businesses before...)
Quite - microformats are based on observing usage, not on theory.
I had a discussion about this in Shelley Powers' blog comments a while
back:
http://just.shelleypowers.com/technology/ajax-myth-busting/#comment638
what I said then was:
What is data and what is metadata depends on the content and the
context.
If you have a series of key/value pairs where
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384771/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384695/
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seen http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/ ?
I contacted the author - what's the best existing 'hCalendar to JSON'
tool?
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To: Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Timeline and microformats
Andy, what do you mean by 'submitted the page to Technorati' ?
By the look of it, you pinged us as if it were a blog url.
We indexed it on 2006-11-25 01:43:05 PST, and didn't find any blog
posts in it.
As it is a non-blog page, you should submit it via Pingerati
http://pingerati.net and it
If the page is for a person, then the RSS is an alternative. Use the
Feed autodiscovery syntax makes sense:
http://feedautodiscovery.org/doku.php
but you could apply it to an a href link instead of a link one, eg
a href rel=alternate me type=application/rss+xml title=RSS feed
of Ted Drake
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Yeah,
I like as andreas points
On Dec 10, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Chris Messina wrote:
And despite my attempts to explain, as you all have, the origins of
the romantic sense of the term, Tara never gave me the benefit of
the doubt, hence the semantic change. ;)
So yes, Tantek, a FAQ entry would certainly be appreciated.
Have a
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Nick Peters wrote:
Seeing the tag implementation on Operator has made me question the
existing tagging standard. With wordpress you may get something like
?cat=13 for a tag or something that may not even be the intended tag
at all.
Yes, Wordpress abuses the
On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On:
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Abstract
By adding rel=tag to a hyperlink, a page indicates that the
destination of that hyperlink is an author-designated tag (or
keyword/subject) for the current page.
On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Except rel-tag explicitly uses the last part of the URL path, and
should ignore query parameters and fragment identifiers[1]
i.e. http://example.com/tags?tag=/fish = tags
So the workaround at:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:25 PM, Karl Dubost wrote:
At first, I say “cool, very cool!”. Then, taking a step back,
I think what about the documents which have been created for the
last 15 years before microformats effort existed. These documents
contain class names which are probably and
On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
The better approach is to lobby the software/server folks to fix
their
implementation,
Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at Blogger? Support
emails do not get individual replies so we need someone to contact a
real live
On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:10 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian
Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
--- i agree with all of this, and that is why microformats do not
force you to use your own tagspace. There are plenty of sites that
can
easily be used as tagspaces[1]
On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
Right. On this point, does anyone have a contact at Blogger?
Support
emails do not get individual replies so we need someone to
contact a
real live human.
I have contacts there, yes.
[snip]
Can you show me an example of them getting it
On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Thom Shannon wrote:
I was thinking there should be a way to have your OpenID
on other profiles that can easily be consumed, allowing someone to see
you on social network A and add you on their social network B based on
you using the same OpenID.
that's where UID
I disagree, it being a URL is a good thing. I have http:/
kevinmarks.com as an openid URL with microformats attached to it
(based on Chris Messina's here):
http://factoryjoe.com/hcard.html
Should I be asserting his urls as a uid?
On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:19 AM, Thom Shannon wrote:
I was
A preliminary go at a bidirectional XOXO to JSON service:
http://kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/xoxotojson.py?url=http://kevinmarks.com
and back again:
http://kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/jsontoxoxo.py?url=http%3A//
kevinmarks.com/cgi-bin/xoxotojson.py%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A//kevinmarks.com
change the url
On Feb 24, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Mike Kaply wrote:
Was there a reason in the original creation of rel-tag that no one
thought to allow title to specify the tagname?
Yes, the idea was to make it more resilient against gaming by
requiring the URL to embody the tag. This followed existing
On Mar 5, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Danny Ayers wrote:
Thought this might be useful:
http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/soupdragon
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/03/hot-news-people-lie.html
Or, as we say round here, 'not 80%'
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On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Danny Ayers wrote:
There I disagree - as far as the theory goes, for microformats the
problem is effectively solved.
The notion of profile URIs has gone through the community process, and
there's even a microformat to support them: XMDP. It's been accepted
that each
On Apr 12, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Kevin Lawver wrote:
I'm presenting on microformats at Web 2.0 Expo (well, hopefully, if
they can move me back to my original time) next week, and would
love to have more examples of folks using microformats as APIs. I
ungraciously stole an idea I saw on the
On May 13, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Chris Messina wrote:
XFN. All of the side bars use [rel=contact].
-ryan
So yeah, it's hAtom + hCard + XFN. Pretty good, especially since we
haven't seen too much hAtom pickup outside of a few WordPress blogs.
Also rel=me on the URL links in personal pages,
On Aug 3, 2007 12:23 PM, Taylor Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In using hAtom I was interested in populating the @scheme attribute of the
Atom category.
For example:
It's interesting to me to know from where the tag comes, which community or
folksonomy is it part of. It's valuable
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/08/microformats-in-blogger-hatom-support.html
Those of you who read my blog directly, rather than via a feed-reader,
will notice that it is looking styled again, for the first time since
CSS Naked Day in April.
I made an initial conversion to hAtom by hand in the
http://www.wired.com/software/webservices/news/2007/08/open_social_net
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from vcard:
3.5.1 TITLE Type Definition
Type name: TITLE
Type purpose: To specify the job title, functional position or
function of the object the vCard represents.
Type example:
TITLE:Director\, Research and Development
3.5.2 ROLE Type Definition
Type name: ROLE
On Oct 9, 2007 10:27 AM, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The microformats community works on the basis of having the data
embedded into the HTML. The RDF/SemWeb approach looks to have a
consistent data model, and then having as many representations as you
like of that data model. The data
Note that is more then 2 years after the original 'can your site be
your API?' presentation by me and Tantek... great to see these ideas
spread out.
Drew's slides are much prettier though... and he cites 'fork handles'
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/07/end-homographophobia-now.html
On Oct 9,
In semantic HTML, the right way to do this would be to use cite
around the name:
citeJulie/cite
so doing
cite class=hcard a href=http://juliettemelton.com/; class=url
uid fn rel=friendJulie/a/cite
which has an implied nickname, and adds the XFN for my friend
On Jan 4, 2008 2:23 PM, David Janes
What I found with the technorati crawler was that the atom timestamps
were mroe reliabel than RSS, as RSS timezones were underspecified.
Talking of hAtom, here's a tool that uses it:
http://googlenotebookblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/permalinks-up-and-hatom.html
Niall told em last night that he's
maps.google.com has a lot as well, but they're only in response to
searches. I bet eventful.com have a lot too.
On Jan 18, 2008 1:11 PM, ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Ben Ward wrote:
For reasons which will be revealed next week (yes, I'm a tease,
sorry), I'm
Is the problem that the page contains multiple video elements? If so
using hAtom to define them as separate entries may help clarify this,
especially in conjunction with rel-enclosure.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
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Hey Angus,
On Wed, Mar
As part of my talk on the Social web I'll be discussing Google's
social Graph API, which is a cache of the distributed social graph
created by XFN
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Gerald Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
Join us for the Open Web Vancouver 2008 two-day conference on Apr
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Julian Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me expand on that.
Julian Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:21:37
I'm really looking forward to the SG-API becoming useful, but right now
it's pretty flaky. There's a lot of pages you'd expect to be in there
XOXO is the generic way to turn JSON into HTML (and back) - see
http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg06827.html
The problem is knowing what are user-visible keys and what aren't
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Nirmal Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul
Have a look at the representative hCard brainstorming:
http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-brainstorming
if the cards are linked, this can help you decide which to use.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello James,
On Thu, Aug
Have a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes
'label' is used in hCard for unstructured addresses.
could you re-use 'entry-title' from hAtom?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Thomas Loertsch loertsch.tho...@guj.de wrote:
hi,
in hRecipe we use recipe-title to avoid the
Do have a look at http://portablecontacts.net - the JSON spec there is
a good model to go to and from hCard (thats where we staretd from wehn
desiging it, before we looked at a lot of other contact schemas too).
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:55 AM, David Janes davidja...@blogmatrix.com wrote:
I've
Whats the data loss?
One of the nice things about these tools is that you can chain them,
eg piping hCard into PoCo through vCard:
:
http://www.plaxo.com/pdata/vcard?vcardUrl=feeds.technorati.com%2Fcontacts%2Fkevinmarks.com
and piping the result into XOXO for easier human readability:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Bruno Barberi Gnecco
br...@likeorhate.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 18:17 -0300, Bruno Barberi Gnecco wrote:
We are using vote-links extensively in our new site (likeorhate.com)
And doing so wrongly. VoteLinks are a badly named microformat. They are
*not*
Great tool guys.
I tried it on my original hReviews, - looks like your rating
extraction is not honouring the abbr title pattern - it shows you
seeing my unicode stars, not the title='4'
Great stuff glenn!
2009/10/8 André Luís andr3...@gmail.com
Hi Glenn,
comments inline.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Glenn Jones glenn.jo...@madgex.com wrote:
Hi André
Thanks for the nice comments about the identity work. Can you email me a
quick summary of the errors off the
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