[biofuel] Methanol usage and storage ???

2004-03-11 Thread matshel3000
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi All I am in prosses of setting up a Biofuel set up and have been calling around for Methanol prices. The lowest cost I have found is $1.08 per gallon from Bren-Tag (800 577 7245) in Los Angeles and that is for a 55 gallon drum of the stuff deliverd to my door. Which at a

Re: [biofuel] Re: gasoline

2004-03-11 Thread rico suavae
hi, part time racer here.drag racing has a whole class of cars and events that run on nothing but ethanol.they would probably would have no problem buying locally if they could be assured of a consistant product,free of any contaminnants,all across the country.to assure a level playing

Re: [biofuel] Re: Clean oil technology

2004-03-11 Thread rico suavae
hi, i'm new to bio diesel,so i may be out of line jumping in here. i have an industrial hydraulics background and i am i am very familar with the process you are describing.one micron is very small.the average human hair is about forty microns in dia.what you need to find out is if the filter

RE: [biofuel] biodiesel mixing

2004-03-11 Thread Richmond, Peter
Keith, What I am referring to is when you stop mixing with the pump to let the BD settle out the BD in the pipe above and in the pump would also have it's Glycerine settle and with the pump horizontal there is a low point in the vane which I would think Glycerine would settle. That Glycerine

[biofuel] Re: The Building You're In Fuels Global Warming

2004-03-11 Thread f150_351m
x-charset ISO-8859-1--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f150_351m wrote: You can fight over that being right or wrong, or the other benefints to the world outside of the business. You might be right. But to say it won't impact the economics of

[biofuel] Re: How Bush reversed regulatory effort on polluting gas additive

2004-03-11 Thread f150_351m
x-charset ISO-8859-1Thanks for the info! I did _not_ know how the regulations were put in place before you gave me the interest to go look to see where I got the wrong idea. I looked into the topic a little more today. Yep, there was no regulation forcing MTBE. Many other chemicals could

Re: [biofuel] Gas Prices Reach Record Highs

2004-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/9/2004 6:40:38 PM Central Standard Time If Battery EVs continue to be conspicuously and unfairly excluded from consideration, based on disingenuous and partly-false claims about lack of demand and lack of performance of advanced batteries and

[biofuel] Re: Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread f150_351m
x-charset ISO-8859-1When doing the numbers for batteries, remember to include the disposal costs! Getting rid of large battery banks is not easy or cheap. And once you get someone to take them, what are they going to do with the batteries? My experience with industrial UPS batteries is a

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Hakan, I have done some superficial research, and my preliminary conclusion is that scale is the determining factor. For household-scale energy storage, batteries are the most economic solution for storing electricity. I did some rough calculations, and concluded that with realistic

Re: [biofuel] The Building You're In Fuels Global Warming

2004-03-11 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, Most building codes sets minimum life span for buildings to 50 years. This to establish a minimum quality demand in legal disputes. This is on construction, not the installations. Normal renewing of buildings in peace times are between 1 to 2% of the building stock and therefore it takes

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread glenne1949
Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination of space heating, swimming pool heating, and heating the driveway

Re: [biofuel] The Building You're In Fuels Global Warming

2004-03-11 Thread murdoch
The reason for this is quite simple. Though our country's fleet of autos and light trucks could turn over within about 12 years and be replaced by more efficiently run vehicles, buildings have a lifespan (and energy consumption and emissions pattern) of 50 to 100 years. Something else I want

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Ken Provost
on 3/10/04 6:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination

[biofuel] excellent in-depth response from Darryl

2004-03-11 Thread murdoch
Darryl: I thought this response you put forth came out nicely and that Martin's made sense too. You put some work into it, and I'm going to forward to the evworld.com group. I don't mind that some folks disagree, but I just don't react well to worthwhile ideas being dismissed wholesale without

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Glenn, I do not think that water storage was excluded. Darryl also mentioned the building mass, which most people forget. It is solutions with storing heat in water and at the same time wasteful systems who are working on eliminating the influence of building mass. The discussion was about

RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Building workshop, Santa Cruz, CA, April 10 and 11th

2004-03-11 Thread Tan
x-charset ISO-8859-1I won't be surprised if she's not aware. She's in the US and you're in the Philippines. Don't forget that we're global here. regards, ct =-Original Message- =From: Romy Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:44 AM =To:

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread glenne1949
Thanks, Hakan. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe,

[biofuel] Molecular formular

2004-03-11 Thread michael hicks
Hi all. Just been on a weekend biodiesel corse at LILLI www.lowimpact.org and after reading up on the subject for about a year the hands on experiance has given me the confidence to have a go. Its the only course avalable in the uk as far as i know , it was a realy good experiance and met

[biofuel] Semi tractors bio or SVO

2004-03-11 Thread Brett Dobmeier
Has anyone had experience or know of anything about running semi tractors with the big 400 to 600 hp Cat, Detroit, or Cummins engines on bio diesel or SVO. Would they be any different than running a car diesel engine on bio or SVO? I only ask because it seems that semi tractors consume LARGE

Re: [biofuel] Molecular formular

2004-03-11 Thread bob allen
Howdy Michael, there is no difference implied or real in the two formulas. The both say that methanol is comprised of of one carbon, one oxygen and four hydrogens. The second formula, CH3OH, is merely giving information how the various atoms are connected together. The carbon atom has three

Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.

2004-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (regarding my response to Hakan's post): Call it biofuel, energy storage, say from burning wvo. On what basis then could you discount the alternative of hot water storage in large, insulated tanks if the energy is to be spent in an hydronic system for a combination

[biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread matshel3000
x-charset ISO-8859-1My quote for the Methanol price yesterday was wrong. A 55 Gallon drum of the stuff is in fact about $225 for one drum plus $25 deposit on the drum plus shiping and tax. So it ends up being about $300 per drum or $5.50 per gallon. If the mix requiers 20% methanol that makes

Re: [biofuel] Molecular formular

2004-03-11 Thread michael hicks
Thanks Bob. Thats alot clearer. Myke bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Michael, there is no difference implied or real in the two formulas. The both say that methanol is comprised of of one carbon, one oxygen and four hydrogens. The second formula, CH3OH, is merely giving information

Re: [biofuel] Nitromethane fuel question

2004-03-11 Thread Alan Petrillo
spriggsbororon wrote: Back in the 1960's, I attended a few drag races (1/4 mile event) at the drag strip. The fuelers used 'nitro'. When I would get a pit pass and walk by the rails and funny cars, the odor would clean out my nostrils (Whew!). When I asked various non-racing people

RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Building workshop, Santa Cruz, CA, April 10 and 11th

2004-03-11 Thread Romy Miranda
My mistake. =) Thanks and regards too. romy Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't be surprised if she's not aware. She's in the US and you're in the Philippines. Don't forget that we're global here. regards, ct =-Original Message- =From: Romy Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent:

Re: [biofuel] biodiesel mixing

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Rick Hi Keith, I want to set up a pump system like you have been talking about. Right now I am using the stir method. My tank in not completely sealed and I am slowly pouring the Methoxide (sp) in as it mixes then putting the lid back on while it stirs. Why not do it like this?

Re: [biofuel] Re: How Bush reversed regulatory effort on polluting gas additive

2004-03-11 Thread murdoch
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 06:20:35 -, you wrote: I realize that, often, the fed govt 'interferes' in state laws-constitutions. The reverse is not true. The wishes of states, are not compelling on the fed gov't. In the matter of MTBE, the US congress(or a fed agency,under congressional direction)

[biofuel] Connecticut versus Biodiesel

2004-03-11 Thread Tilapia
Below is the text of a bill filed in Connecticut that will apparently stifle the development of biodiesel through the regulation of any production of the fuel or any biodiesel mixes that could be sold or used in the state. This is similar, but far worse than the misguided approach of the

[biofuel] Iraq and the Problem of Peak Oil

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
x-charset ISO-8859-1http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php No 1, 2004 08 Mar 2004, 08:29 PM Iraq and the Problem of Peak Oil by F. William Engdahl Today, much of the world is convinced the Bush Administration did not wage war against Iraq and Saddam Hussein because of

[biofuel] How California's energy scam was inextricably linked to a war foroil scheme

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
x-charset ISO-8859-1http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm YURICA REPORT: Fraud Traced to the White House News Intelligence Analysis Fraud Traced to the White House How California's energy scam was inextricably linked to a war for oil scheme

[biofuel] The oil coup

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
x-charset ISO-8859-1The Administration has no interest in appropriating Iraq's oil. This was a war for control of the world price of oil; a much more important and lucrative prize. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=14529mode=nestedorder=0 The Smirking Chimp Michael Bryan: 'The oil

[biofuel] Greasy palms - palm oil, the environment and big business

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.foei.org/media/2004/0803.html Friends of the Earth Rainforest Destruction In Your Shopping Basket Photos Available [1] London (UK) March 8, 2004 -- Research released today reveals that the booming trade in palm oil, used in everyday products such as chocolate, margarine, shampoo

[biofuel] How Bush Pushed Gasoline Prices Sky High

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
x-charset ISO-8859-1http://www.yuricareport.com/Energy/How%20Did%20Oil%20Prices%20Get%20so %20High.htm YURICA REPORT: How Bush Pushed Gasoline Prices Sky High By Katherine Yurica On March 5, 2003, Senator Carl Levin, the Ranking Minority Member of the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on

[biofuel] Plugging into the power of sewage

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4761 New Scientist Plugging into the power of sewage 19:00 10 March 04 The waste you flush down the toilet could one day power the lights in your home. So say researchers at Pennsylvania State University who last week revealed they have

[biofuel] Bush Aims to Reverse Transportation Reforms

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/68.php Bush Greenwatch March 08, 2004 | Bush Aims to Reverse Transportation Reforms Environmentalists fought for years to divert a larger proportion of federal transportation funds away from highways -- which produced suburban sprawl and unchecked

Re: [biofuel] OT: Nitromethane fuel question

2004-03-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since the discusion has moved to Nitromethane fuel, I thought that I would forward this on. I am not sure if it is total accurate, but it is some interesting facts about drag racing engines: One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the

Re: [biofuel] Connecticut versus Biodiesel

2004-03-11 Thread Tilapia
x-charset ISO-8859-1Minor update, the bill has been proposed, but not yet filed. Still time to derail this effort. In a message dated 3/11/04 1:44:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Below is the text of a bill filed in Connecticut that will apparently stifle the development of biodiesel

Re: [biofuel] Connecticut versus Biodiesel

2004-03-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Reading this, I start to be proud of being an European and on the new 100 list of least corrupted countries, US must come after any of the EU countries. It is no way that US can keep the spot of being the 18th least corrupted country in the world. Even Italians on the 28th spot, are less

Re: [biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread RGMTRUCK
I just bought a drum of Methanol from my local oil dealer. I paid $126.50 plus $25.00 drum deposit. That probabaly won't help you because I am in Michigan but you should be able to find it cheaper than $300.00 Rick M Brownstown, Mi My quote for the Methanol price yesterday was wrong. A 55

Re: [biofuel] Methanol Price correction

2004-03-11 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Matthew, You're getting tattooed on your methanol costs. Yah. Sure. It's California. The rules are different there. (Ooops. Sorry. That's Florida.) I just called Bazell Oil in central Ohio and received a price of $1.75 per gallon, FOB the distributorship. Outright purchase

[biofuel] (fwd) (fwd) board-notices Notice of Public Availability~Diesel Fuel

2004-03-11 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800, Alexa Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have posted the 15-Day Notice of Public Availability of Modified Text for the Amendments to the California Diesel Fuel Regulations. These documents and the associated formal regulatory materials can be accessed from our

[biofuel] Bush 2 mission accomplished in Haiti onward to Venezuela?

2004-03-11 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Bush 2 mission accomplished in Haiti onward to Venezuela? http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=16312 Photographer and multimedia developer Kurt Nimmo writes: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias, in no uncertain terms, has warned the Bushites he will use the oil weapon

[biofuel] Senate committee backs $60 million abrupt climate changeresearch program

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-03-10/s_13855.asp Senate committee backs $60 million abrupt climate change research program Wednesday, March 10, 2004 By John Heilprin, Associated Press WASHINGTON - A $60 million program for researching sudden or unexpected changes in the climate would be

[biofuel] Power giants agree to report climate emissions to shareholders

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-03-10/s_13807.asp Power giants agree to report climate emissions to shareholders Wednesday, March 10, 2004 By GreenBiz.com NEW YORK, New York - In response to shareholder proposals for greater transparency on how companies are planning for potential constraints

[biofuel] A Twitch Before Dying?

2004-03-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/members/story.html?StoryID=18088 A Twitch Before Dying? By Amanda Griscom, Grist Magazine March 9, 2004 U.S. oil prices jumped to their highest levels since the Iraq war this week, hitting $37.51 a barrel, for an average of about $1.74 a gallon - unwelcome news for