Who says that going to Conte would have been the start of drug use ??
Could have been a change of vendors ...
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Can you tell me why I am not getting mail from the list and why posts I have
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I'm also curious about Edwin Moses and Evelyn Ashford ... Both of whom had
long, sterling careers ...
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Larry Morgan wrote :
Jerome Young is done! He hasn't done much of anything in the past three or
four years. If Tyree Washington can stay healthy, he's my #1 choice for
the
MJ 400m successor. The Harrison twins and Angelo Taylor also have
potential
to dominate the 400m. As for the 200m, it's
Contact your local Congressman (or woman) and ask them to either call or
write a letter to the Airlines .. Since they are requesting Billions of
dollars of bailout money, I am sure communications from someone who will
have a say will go a long way ...
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praying on the side of the track and
giving an offering to the gods of track ! Puking used to be a sign
that you were giving it everything you had ... And then some !!!
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has to work to their strengths .. With the Kenyans it seems to be
brilliance at an early age .. We may have to stay in the sport longer in
order to achieve the same level of success ..
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!!
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Has anyone found start lists for the Berlin meet yet ??
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better help for his last Golden League relay ..
Too bad there is no HSI to heat it up ..
Looks like the women's 800 could be the highlight of the meet .. And is
anyone taking odds on Suzy finishing this race ??
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Try this site Kebba .. Olympics, Worlds, Euros, Commonwealth are all here
... http://62.232.35.235/
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Subject: t-and-f: 1998 Euro Champs
Anyone know the health or injury status of any of the following :
Ramon Clay
Oba Thompson
Mo Greene
Tim Montgomery (not listed for Goodwill ??)
Konstatin Kederis (not at Brussels)
Christine Arron
Anja Rucker
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Croghan
legitimate distance threat the US has had since Padilla, Marsh and Maree
(oops another import) ..
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Wayne wrote:
Why do you rate Kennedy in a class above Croghan? I think if you compare
their international records you would find them pretty comparable.
Because Kennedy has been top 10 world ranked and has outperformed him on the
clock ..
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the argument was that the Olympics
counted for more in 96 ... But if you look at the history of the World's,
the WC 100 finals have been greater/better/faster/deeper races than the
Olympics 100 finals over the same period of time .. Go figure ..
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they use them again in the 92 Olympics ?? But the last few
years have been bad .. Not just for the US but around the world .. Even
something like the former Unified teams green uniforms were not bad .. Or
the gold and black of Jamaica ...
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!!! Of course all said and done I would vote for Mo seeing as I am
about the only remaining sprint fan on the list ... :o) The actual selectors
will probably vote for Bucher .. And we all know that the field eventers get
absolutely NO respect ...
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that matter ..
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go check .. But I thought
Ben wasn't very highly ranked that year for some reason ..
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this .. Or
will this be a blip on his radar ..
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was one for
the ages ... Simply wonderful
Conway Hill
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.
Yes the call was Charlie Jones .. Simply magnificent .. I watched at home
but felt as if I was there ...
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those things which hurt the sport ..
A: Want to stop things from hurting the sport? Start with the athletes
who
cheat. Stop them from cheating ... and no more black eye for the sport.
If
it is difficult, that doesn't mean you quit.
See above ...
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Does anyone know the injury status of Maurice Greene and/or Jon Drummond ??
How severe are their injuries and will either be back on the circuit this
season ??
Conway Hill
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future ..
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that Carl's 200 PR is still 19.75 .. And in only one
competition did he manage to go over 29' - oh and he lost to Powell's WR !!!
I bet that made the HULK mad !!!
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.. And Boston, Robinson and Ter-Ovanesian were battling in the low
27's in the 60's .. But I guess depends on ones perspective and what we (or
should I say the athletes) are willing to settle for ...
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.. And seems fairly knowledgeable (both inside and outside of the
sprints) ..
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of days
were very exciting as the 100 men burned up the track .. But things cooled
off and seemed to stay that way .. Didn't seem to have the usual electricity
associated with the Worlds .. Was nice however to see TV coverage that
featured competition over fluff !!!
On to Zurich
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ago
would have had to fight for good lane draws in the semis ..
As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm
somewhat
hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the
race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200
performance at these championships would be nice to get something right
aside from the men's 100 and women's pole vault ..
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Phil wrote:
BTW When was the last lane 1 medal winner in 200?
I believe Larry Black in '72 .. He got the silver in 20.19 behind Borzov's
20.00
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it in Paris. How old
is Kederis?
I believe that Greene would also win .. And I agree that healthy I think he
could run 19.6 maybe 5 if the competition were right .. But I like Kederis'
heart and think he would put up a good fight !!!
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we now wonder
if anyone is capable of the mark .. Anyone have any idea where then next
great 200 man is ??
Conway Hill
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.. Should be
enough to win in this competition ..
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Marty wrote:
With Greene and Curtis Johnson out of the men's 4 x 100 and the rather
pathetic showing by the individual 400 meter runners, it looks possible
that
USA men might not win either 4 x 100 or 4 x 400
.. There are many
factors that come into play .. And in this meet the starter seems to be the
biggest variable ...
I would hope this would be an eye opener to those who have the thought of
cheating only on the brain ..
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crowned back to back !!
Conway Hill
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these is where the future of
track and field should be ..
Just one rambling opinion ...
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that circumstantial evidence be ?? Have heard previously about
the wind readings taken in the horizontal jumps that were taking place at
the same time .. Is this the evidence or is there more ??
2) If there is substantial evidence could it be enough to warrant a change
in the WR ??
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it one of those rare races .. Of course having said that I am glad that it
appears that Montgomery and Boldon are prepared to bring some excitement to
the World Champs 100 meters ...
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Mac ..
Thanks for the information ... Any idea who the front runners
are for the 6 person 4x1 pools or is that veiled in secrecy ??
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and that it might
not be Devers ?? Adams has had a very consistent season so far and the way
things are going would not be a surprise at the top of the medal stand in a
few weeks ... Unfortunately she seems to be left out when we give kudos here
on the list ... So here's hoping she medals at worlds ..
Conway
on this ???
Limbo ??
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Out of curiosity is there information on other sprinting streaks - most
men's 100's, 200's 400's and most women's 200's and 400's ??? Or for that
matter all of the disciplines track AND field ???
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Does anyone know the current status of German female q-miler Anja Rucker ???
A couple of years ago she broke through at the Worlds with a fantastic race
... Since she has been almost no where to be seen ... Anyone know what the
problem has been ???
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Does anyone know what time (Rome time) the Golden Gala is scheduled to start
???
Conway Hill
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I agree with the concept of the true World Championships ... Curious as to
why there would be difficulty authenticating marks with all of the
official lists that are out there ???
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up to his potential, a gold and silver
finish in the 400 is not out of the realm of possibility ...
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th respect
toimportant matters ... Is this not being done ??? Who is on this
committee ??? How much "voice" do they really have ??? Darrell or someone
...
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winner (Montgomery) has run the relay on several international squads ...
And Trials 100 5th placer Drummond has pretty much been a fixture on the 1st
leg on international teams for the past 8 years ... Should be an easy call
...
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... Still curious
as to why Marion will not be running on the relay ...
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Walt wrote:
Don't forget that Webb has one less day to rest after running 3:59.8
yesterday in the rain-delayed dmr in Raleigh---he runs the first round of the
1500 on Thursdayand I believe Gatlin is not running in Eugene. Not sure
if it was ever posted to the list, but Gatlin
and
Crear and Johnson may now be on their down sides ... And did anyone else
notice Kelly White going under 11.00 last week ??? New blood in the women's
sprints perhaps ??? It is Nationals time right ?
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the results of races so far this season am I alone in thinking that Webb has
a very good chance of making the WC team ??
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Was wondering with Web going so far under 4:00 his initial time under (not
counting his indoor race) is that close to (if not) the fastest debut under
4:00 ever ?? If not, what is the fastest first sub 4 ever ???
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Sorry ... Meant 2 high schoolers in the 1500 in the same year ... :o)
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rounded up to the nearest tenth ... So the record is pretty right on ... We
just had to go nearly 3 decades without knowing it !
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- charts etc ???
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This past weekend in track adn field some amazing things happened ...
Mike Powell shook off the cob webs and jumped 26'5" to lay claim that after all these years he may still be America's best in the long jump ...
Mo Green cruised a 9.96 and Time Montgomery ran a windy one ... Very fine
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He does not have to "compete," all he has to do is participate in one
event. That means he can jog a lap waving
to the fans, and viola, he has his wild card.
But he wants to be on the Edmonton team with no strings
T not just the stars ...
Conway
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:52:16 -0600 (MDT)
FWIW: I was in an airport waiting area when the '96 Olym
is not to his
liking (including who is or isn't in the race) ... So would some one please
enlighten me as to his tremendous contributions to the sport ???
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by Pettifgrew who is now saying let MJ run) and the 1972 Olympics where Collett and Mathews were expelled from the games and we could not field a team, the US has had no difficulty beating the rest of the world no matter who we put on the track ... :o)
Conway
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I understand your point ... And even agree with it in prinicpal ... But let me play the devil's advocate and ask this question ... If Gail Devers made an announcement that she would like to run on the 4x1 at this year's WC, but she doesn't plan to run at Nationals this year, should she be allowed
it goes beyond MJ ... He just happens to be the subject
of the conversation since he asked first ...
Conway
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and the coaches set the example ... The coaches are often no better than the kids any more ... Any thoughts ???Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
that emerge, the sport ... The entire sport ... Will be the better
for it ... Michael is not the World Championships ... You want to give him
something give him a gold watch and send him off on his way ... Give the
relay spots to the guys who show up at Nationals and earn it
Conway
Actually you could see that on the TV as well ... I was going to say
something, but then everyone considers me to be an MJ basher so would not
have had the same effect coming from me ... :o)
Conway
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... And the
media rarely does so ...
Conway
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
I'll file this statement in the Most Ridiculous
Generalizations of the Century
This link says "file not found" ... What is it that you were defending ??? Conway - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Monday, April 30, 2001 12:48 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:t-and-f: Maurice Defense I figured it was about time someone took Mo's side, so I
to rise above that and who tries to give back to thsoe who have made him and his comunity ... And that is what MO and many other of our athletes do Now THAT is news and THAT is what folks should be talking about ! Conway - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Monday, April 30
e the last time we had 3 guys running sub 44 at the same time was just before MJ broke on the scene and it appears we may be headed there again as he leaves it ... Just ell me that Tyree isn't still wearing that head band !!! :o) ConwayRobert wrote: 400: I saw Tyree run a WL time last week a
nternet access ... I remember the days when I had to wait days for the results to be printed in a newspaper ... And often had to get a copy of hte LA Times at that in order to get those ... :o) Conway - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:49 AM To:[EMAI
GH wrote:
In the glory days of the Pac-8, starting the first week of April, each school had 5 straight weeks of full-bore in-conference dual meets. Then there was a week where the conference split in a half for the Northern and Southern Division meets. Then the next week was the conference. Of
Alan wrote:
It's not the fast time that makes us question these marks. It's the
out of
nowhere appearance that makes us question these marks. Most of these
Chinese
marks ('93, '97) were set at their Chinese Games by women who
weren't big on
the world scene beforehand and then disappeared
t; is not a rational reason in and of itself for questioning marks ... And too often (especially in this day and age of drugs, supplements, etc) suspicion at what is "not normal" comes all too quickly ...ConwayKurt had written:
Conway says:
So I don't th ink we should bandy about dispa
Should not the world record process also take into consideration "equal
opportunity" of venue / conditions ??? Just a thought ...
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, etc does the elite athlete need ... And what would be the best / optimal method of obtaining them ???
Like "the force" this list can be used both positively and negatively ... Let's try to stay away from the "dark side" of the force and use the force for good ...
Conway
F
Darrell wrote:This is the worst moment in list history.
I come back to discussions of curbless tracks, slander, and the ever popular
topic of my signature. Meanwhile, Texas relays is going on and some of the
nations and world's best are competing well.
In the 4x100 m JW North ran 45.79 to
..
Anyone else see the show ???
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Does anyone have any knowledge of how the current "rift" between the US and
China affects China's "bid" to host the Olympics ??? Will pressure develop
to not hold a games in China ??? And if so who becomes the focal point for
Olympic
and have
their been many faster or as fast ??? HOw many have been recorded under say
19.5 ???
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or 19.1 at Penn one year ... Have
heard of several splits in the 19.7 - 19.9 range ... Just curious as to how
good a race MOs may have been ..
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re not talking about individuals that are "trying to
cheat" but are testing out by accident ... I'm sure the athletes are aware
of the risk ... My question is are precautions being taken ??? And if so how
??? Or is it truuly a
Saw the results on the Duke website this morning ... They had his time listed as 1:44.76 ... Didn't realize he was only a freshman ... That is very impressive
Conway
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stretch to make it close.
Octigan's Shawn Crawford, Obadele Thompson and Milton Campbell provided
Griffin the lead that he nearly lost.
"I have held Maurice Greene off before," Griffin said. "As long as we had
the lead, I knew we were fine."
Conway
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Ed wrote:
It is roughly equivalent to 27:45 10k running.
I'm not sure I agree that 2:09 is equal to 27:45, but let's say it is for a
second. 27:45 was 26th on the 2000 annual list, while 2:09 was 27th. Maybe
the marathon is MORE competitive than the 10K. If you believe that a 27:45
10K
on the women's side ...
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quot; mentality ...
And much like with the previous post the distance program hasn't been the
same since ..
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, and Obikwelu have the
potential to get close as they all have better pure speed than MJ .. Now
whether they do or not is another story ...
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it a push ... But
will be very hard for a "regular" high school to do ...
Conway
4 x 400 - 3:07.40 - Hawthorne 1986
Conway,
I think this one can go down if some of the Texas and Cali teams geared
toward it. Obea Moore and crew approached it several times but just
couldn't
get it. I r
... I was fortunate
enough to be at the Golden West when Carter set that record .. When he let
the ball fly it went past every flag laid out (meet record, national record,
etc) and just looked like it would sail forever ... Was one of the most
awesome sights I have seen in track AND field ...
C
and next) ...
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Does anyone out there have the 85 sprint lists handy ??
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Justin:
I believe Derrick Florence is the name you are looking
I would have to guess Mike Marsh ... Although at 20.80 he was a little off
the pace of the others ... Imagine .. 20.80 and off the pace Now THAT
was a list ...
Conway
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??? And if so why ??? It is definitely a race in stagnation ... And I would
not put it all on "drugs" as there definitely seems to be a chaneg in the
race strategy itself - for the worse ..
Conway
itself to some of these athletes ... Or
maybe I am wrong ...
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