Re: [Talk-hr] oznacavanje uskih ulica

2010-08-22 Thread Marjan Vrban
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:52:26 +0200, Marjan Vrban wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:25:14 + (UTC), Valent Turkovic wrote: [7 quoted lines suppressed] Možda je ovo već postojeće rješenje za uske ulice, staze... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width

Re: [Talk-hr] oznacavanje uskih ulica

2010-08-22 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:25:14PM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Što više razmišljam o tagiranju uskih, srednjih i širokih ulica naših primorskih mjesta sve više mislim da bi trebali skoro svi biti pedestrian. Pa one koje su dovoljno uske da auto ne moze proci kroz njih definitivno ne bi

Re: [Talk-hr] oznacavanje uskih ulica

2010-08-22 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 08:52:26AM +0200, Marjan Vrban wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:25:14 + (UTC), Valent Turkovic wrote: m funkciju tih ulica imaju skoro istu kao glavna ulica, i u njima se nalaze trgovine, restorani, kafići, jedino je šira od glavne ulice. Ne vidim razlog da se

Re: [Talk-hr] oznacavanje uskih ulica

2010-08-22 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 03:22:23PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: Što se tiče rendera, nemoguće je napraviti da je dobar za aute i bicikle/pješake istovremeno. Mapnik očito više pogoduje autima, makar bi autima bilo bolje da se highway-pedestrian isto crta crtkano, jer je njima svejedno gdje se

[Talk-hr] Što je nedozvoljeno kopiranje, a š to nije

2010-08-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
Ne znam kako bih odredio granicu kopiranja informacije. Recimo da imam knjigu u kojoj imam ucrtane nekakve kote. U knjizi piše Sva prava pridržana. Recimo da mogu precrtati kote i pravit se grbav, nije da me mogu uhvatiti. Ali što ako nisam baš siguran u kote, i onda odlučim upisati tag

Re: [Talk-hr] Što je nedozvoljeno kopiranje, a š to nije

2010-08-22 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 05:11:39PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: Ne znam kako bih odredio granicu kopiranja informacije. Recimo da imam knjigu u kojoj imam ucrtane nekakve kote. U knjizi piše Sva prava pridržana. To bi čak i pravnom laiku trebali biti prilično jasno i nedvosmisleno da ne smije

Re: [Talk-hr] Što je nedozvoljeno kopiranje, a š to nije

2010-08-22 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:16:41PM +0200, Ivan Biuklija wrote: Dana Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:30:07 +0200, Marjan Vrban Koliko bi ovakve situacije kršile nečija autorska prava, s obzirom na to da nisam iskopirao položaj ulice, a naziv ulice je javni podatak koji bi po svim pravilima trebao biti

Re: [Talk-hr] Što je nedozvoljeno kopiranje, a š to nije

2010-08-22 Thread Ivan Biuklija
Monday, August 23, 2010, 2:00:38 AM, Matija Nalis wrote: Ne bih znao, treba ih pitati. Ako se nekome da, mogu vidjeti kako sam ja pitao za postanske brojeve na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HR:Copyright pa pitati tako ili slicno i javiti na listu da su to napravili i koje su rezultati

[OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms - The Early Years

2010-08-22 Thread Mike Collinson
Liz, You asked about the early intent of the Contributor Terms before they were re-written by legal counsel. As promised: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes or directly https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1lVQlsnuEKPY2gjspScwHqgmo8RyoqmuaWWmWh58T4TY 0.1

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-22 Thread Mike Collinson
At 10:46 AM 14/08/2010, Rob Myers wrote: On 08/14/2010 07:33 AM, Liz wrote: If you believe, like many data donors, that the attribution must be preserved, then a licence which incorporates the viral provisions is necessary. The ODbL does incorporate attribution. From a given work you can find

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY is compatible with ODbL/CT?

2010-08-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org; Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY is compatible with ODbL/CT? (Was

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY is compatible with ODbL/CT?

2010-08-22 Thread Mike Collinson
At 05:50 PM 22/08/2010, David Groom wrote: Intent: (1) Section 4 always was intended to allow and encourage governmental organisation imports that require attribution under the standard terms without need for derogation. (2) Maintain maximum flexibility for future choices. The license used in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:44 PM,

[OSM-legal-talk] New license for business: meh

2010-08-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm sort of sick of allegations that what I say and do in the community is somehow tainted by myself doing business in OSM. Here's a quote from talk a while ago: Chris Browet wrote: The fact that many key players (SteveC, Frederik, Richard(?)) in the project also have commercial

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-22 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netwrote: - Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license for business: meh

2010-08-22 Thread Nic Roets
I can't speak for Chris, but you don't make me nervous because you're quite open and you don't drive any issues that may have business implications. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I'm sort of sick of allegations that what I say and do in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license for business: meh

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak for Chris, but you [Frederik] don't make me nervous because you're quite open and you don't drive any issues that may have business implications. He doesn't make me nervous, but I wouldn't want him (or anyone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms - The Early Years

2010-08-22 Thread SomeoneElse
On 22/08/2010 15:27, Mike Collinson wrote: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes or directly https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1lVQlsnuEKPY2gjspScwHqgmo8RyoqmuaWWmWh58T4TY 0.1 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=18q0b_f_-rtuWWC04qaAcO3NY_Aob2QjY2gGRMmo0IrM 0.2

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms - The Early Years

2010-08-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:  On 22/08/2010 15:27, Mike Collinson wrote: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes or directly https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1lVQlsnuEKPY2gjspScwHqgmo8RyoqmuaWWmWh58T4TY 0.1

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms - The Early Years

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: That's an open question for the lawyer that wrote the CT.  In casual conversation with one lawyer (casual as in I wasn't paying the lawyer) I was told that legal-English is not FORTRAN and the or is not required for

[OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Felix Hartmann
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF and others to tell them

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Scott
On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. How about you start with your own mailing lists? robert.

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 22.08.2010 12:26, Robert Scott wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. How about you start with your own mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Jenny Campbell
More talk from the folk who would rather brush everyone else's concerns under the carpet I see? I seriously look on OSM in despair at the moment with comments like that. Jeni On 22/08/2010 11:26, Robert Scott wrote: How about you start with your own mailing lists?

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Felix, Felix Hartmann wrote: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 August 2010 20:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda. License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur.

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Florian Heer
Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda. License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur. Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CC BYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Scott
On Sunday 22 August 2010, Jenny Campbell wrote: everyone else's concerns You are trying to make it sound like there are a huge number of people that agree with you. Perhaps you genuinely believe that. If so I think you are tremendously mistaken. It is a very vocal minority. There have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 22.08.2010 12:58, Frederik Ramm wrote: Felix, Felix Hartmann wrote: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 August 2010 21:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without hatred. They want this, we Considering how heated the debate over the license is, do you seriously think this won't happen on similar topics as well? want that, ok we do our

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 August 2010 21:12, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010, Jenny Campbell wrote: everyone else's concerns You are trying to make it sound like there are a huge number of people that agree with you. Perhaps you genuinely believe that. If so I think you are

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. If you must fork, fork the data (planet.osm),

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 13:08, Florian Heer a écrit : This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. I think this could be a real problem. Because I for one do not agree

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 August 2010 22:06, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Although my login informations in OSM are not very sensible, I expect them to be reasonably confidential and only accessible to a few administrators. I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Florian Heer
Am 22.08.2010 14:06, schrieb Renaud MICHEL: I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or multiple] fork (that's why a full history dump has been created, cf http://planet.openstreetmap.org/full-experimental/ ), but as those forks would be different projects I expect the

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi, forgive my ignorance, but are the licenses not some how compatible? I mean the work has been done up to now under ccsa20 and compatible license. So that means that the new license allows data from ccsa20 to be ported over, right? or do you need the permission of the new authors? if people want

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their account/edits on a forked database. I hope you are kidding... When someone signed-up at OSM there

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
My largest complaint is that, if you click yes, you not only are agreeing to the current new license, but you are also agreeing in advance to any future license changes, without being able to know what those new license terms will be. It is the equivalent to voting someone into office as

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread john whelan
This is also one of my concerns, especially when using imports. I don't think this has been discussed at all well. Cheerio John On 22 August 2010 09:13, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: My largest complaint is that, if you click yes, you not only are agreeing to the current new

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:13 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: My largest complaint is that, if you click yes, you not only are agreeing to the current new license, but you are also agreeing in advance to any future license changes, without being able to know what those new

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: This is also one of my concerns, especially when using imports.  I don't think this has been discussed at all well. The issue of imports and data has been discussed at length in places like the US where imports are a big

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/22 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: This is also one of my concerns, especially when using imports.  I don't think this has been discussed at all well. The issue of imports and data has been discussed at

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread David Earl
On 22/08/2010 14:13, John F. Eldredge wrote: My largest complaint is that, if you click yes, you not only are agreeing to the current new license, but you are also agreeing in advance to any future license changes, without being able to know what those new license terms will be. It is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Kaiser
Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and community, and with your own new project name, as a real fork of any project should do. Robert Kaiser

[OSM-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-22 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Hi everyone! As I'm interested in keeping my data within OSM and find a common ground with rest of you, I'm delighted to see that requests to specify 'free and open license' in CT section 3 has been taken into account[1]. Huge thanks and sorry for any emotional storm it have caused. [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
According to the summaries that have been published thus far, those who click yes are licensing data already entered not only under the current new license, but are agreeing in advance to any future licenses. You won't have the right to choose not to license the data under those new licenses,

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 August 2010 13:08, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.de wrote: Felix Hartmann schrieb:  Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Milo van der Linden
I am not against a fork, but as Frederik already mentioned, there is no to debate about a fork and spread anti-odbl propaganda. There are other good reasons to fork, for me one of them is getting a more distributed database instead of everything in a single farm on a single location. I would not

[OSM-talk] Moderation

2010-08-22 Thread SteveC
talk@ is not the place for acrimonious posts about the license like this http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053323.html Both sides have had their say in the Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation thread. Please, when responding to that thread now

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and community, and with your own new project

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Chris Browet wrote[1]: The fact that many key players (SteveC, Frederik, Richard(?)) in the project also have commercial interests in the OSM data Wut? I don't have any commercial interest in OSM, at all. I'm a magazine editor. We do have maps in our magazine but we (well, I) make them

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 14:13, vous avez écrit : If, after some though, I decide I prefer to work on a fork, then I will create a new account there, possibly using the same user name if it is still available, or a new one. I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit : - Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/smaug So this is actually a reason to fork for the pro-mysql

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Kaiser
Anthony schrieb: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and community, and with your

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Kaiser
John F. Eldredge schrieb: According to the summaries that have been published thus far, those who click yes are licensing data already entered not only under the current new license, but are agreeing in advance to any future licenses. You won't have the right to choose not to license the

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-22 Thread Chris Browet
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 17:21, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Chris Browet wrote[1]: The fact that many key players (SteveC, Frederik, Richard(?)) in the project also have commercial interests in the OSM data Wut? I don't have any commercial interest in OSM, at all. I'm a

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-08-10 18:04, Renaud MICHEL schreef: Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit : - Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see

Re: [OSM-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-22 Thread Łukasz Stelmach
Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com writes: As I'm interested in keeping my data within OSM and find a common ground with rest of you, I'm delighted to see that requests to specify 'free and open license' in CT section 3 has been taken into account[1]. Huge thanks and sorry for any emotional

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their account/edits on a

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Andrew Ayre
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA. It's not. This is just the dream of the forkers and then lots of random commenters. -

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA. It wasn't, although arguably, the entire database (including usernames, passwords, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin etrex Vista HCx issue

2010-08-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/11/21/replacement-garmin-etrex-bike-clip/ may be relevant. Shaun On 22 Aug 2010, at 21:42, Steve Chilton wrote: My new week old Garmin etrex Vista HCx is causing me grief. The power on/off button has decided to not function at all. Am

[OSM-talk] Garmin etrex Vista HCx issue

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Chilton
My new week old Garmin etrex Vista HCx is causing me grief. The power on/off button has decided to not function at all. Am thinking I will have to go to Garmin to resolve it (it was purchased from Amazon). Anyone had this issue with theirs? Anyone with good (or bad) experiences of going to Garmin

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin etrex Vista HCx issue

2010-08-22 Thread Graham Jones
Steve, My old eTrex Legend packed in completely and Garmin fixed it ok under the guarantee - pretty quick turn around from what I remember. The Zoom out button is playing up on my newer one and I am trying to decide what to do about it because it is well out of guarantee now - I may have to

[OSM-talk] Hot to build a marine chart for garmin devices?

2010-08-22 Thread Christian Wagner
Around January someone, I think it was Mark Burton, built a Garmin map for the Openseamap guys. It covered the southern half of the Baltic Sea. It had different symbol styles for all the seamarks (buoys etc.), a nice white background for the sea and a light brown background for the land areas. To

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
Felix Hartmann wrote: As I stated, my goal is to have OSM to continue under CCBYSA2.0 As I see it CCBYSA is not a goal but a tool. Before asking us to work with - and to give our new data to - your project, it would be fair to tell us what your real goals are. Then ask some layers if CCBYSA is

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation

2010-08-22 Thread Liz
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 2. Much more stringent requirements are put on lots of projects You may have heard of the GNU project. Are you aware that all contributors to GNU project must sign over not just license agreements, but copyright assignments? Just this week a

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin etrex Vista HCx issue

2010-08-22 Thread SomeoneElse
On 22/08/2010 21:42, Steve Chilton wrote: My new week old Garmin etrex Vista HCx is causing me grief. The power on/off button has decided to not function at all. Am thinking I will have to go to Garmin to resolve it (it was purchased from Amazon). Possibly, but I think that it should be the

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-22 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Chris Browet wrote: The fact that many key players (SteveC, Frederik, Richard(?)) in the project also have commercial interests in the OSM data also make me nervous and doubtful. looking at Frederik this statement sounds offending to me! HINT: I don't want to comment on the other persons

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Finally, as ever, I want to make it clear that it's not our place as a company to try and direct or influence the direction of OSM.  That's for the community and OSMF to debate and decide. I disagree. NearMap is part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: But every opinions should have a place to voice themselves, shouldn't they? No. Not all opinions are helpful. And certainly, sheer volume of opinions is unhelpful. If Talk becomes moderated/censured, where would that be?

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember the question has been raised before, but I just can't think of any use case where I' need to mess up the data directly with no undo. I only ever use the

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Poller taggen

2010-08-22 Thread Peter de Bruin
Zo'n paaltje is barrier=bollard en wordt dan ook gerenderd op de slippy map. 'bicycle=yes' is dan niet nodig. Je zou 'motorcycle=yes' er bij kunnen zetten als die toegestaan zijn. 'access=permissive' gaat over toegankelijke prive-wegen en heeft hier dus niet mee te maken. Peter Op 21 augustus

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Poller taggen

2010-08-22 Thread Ben Laenen
Andre Engels wrote: Zoals al gemeld, barrier=bollard, en dan eventueel voertuigtype=yes/no. Default voor een bollard is access=no, foot=yes, bicycle=yes (dus: fietsers en voetgangers kunnen erlangs, andere weggebruikers niet). Niet akkoord: default voor bollard is al het smal verkeer, i.e.

[OSM-talk-nl] Mapping party Utrecht geslaagd

2010-08-22 Thread Frank Steggink
Ja, ondanks de dreigende luchten met 14 man. IMO goede opkomst :) Artikel op blog: http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2010/08/22/mapping-party-utrecht-groot-success/ Verder heeft ZMWandelaar ons allen uitgenodigd om, in tegenstelling tot de vieze stadsgeuren, frisse boslucht in te snuiven

[OSM-talk-nl] Fietsroutes Alblasserwaard

2010-08-22 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Met dit weer heb ik de utrecht party maar laten zitten, er was daar toch niet zoveel te doen wat ik aardig vindt. Gister wel wezen fietsen in o.a de albasserwaard. http://openfietskaart.nl/?zoom=13lat=51.87325lon=4.71604layers=BTTF Wat is het daar een rommeltje met de fietsroutes.

[OSM-talk-nl] Mapping Party Putten

2010-08-22 Thread robert
De 2de MappingParty zal gehouden worden in Putten op de Veluwe. In een prachtige omgeving heeft de gemeente twee nieuwe wijkjes laten bouwen: Husslerveld en Bijsteren. Op OSM is het een gapend gat die we deze dag gaan opvullen. We willen toch niet dat G. op dat punt beter is dan OSM? Ik

[OSM-talk-nl] Mapping Party Purmerend Weidevenne - 4 September 2010

2010-08-22 Thread Roeland Douma
Howdy, Om dan eindelijk de daad bij het word te voegen een mapping party in Purmerend. In de Weidevenne [1] wel te verstaan. Een beetje kort dag misschien maar anders zou het pas ergens eind Oktober worden. Wat gaat er gebeuren: * Mappen nieuwbouwwijk ten noord-oosten van de Laan de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsroutes Alblasserwaard

2010-08-22 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 22 August 2010 21:15:05 ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Met dit weer heb ik de utrecht party maar laten zitten, er was daar toch niet zoveel te doen wat ik aardig vindt. Het was heerlijk weer. Lekker op een terras zitten nabuurten. Gister wel wezen fietsen in

Re: [talk-au] What's going on here? (mysterious street)

2010-08-22 Thread Tom Brennan
In NSW you can often check up unformed roads on council web sites. There are oodles of them shown in Google that don't currently exist in reality. Compare http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8hq=ll=-33.777168,150.627912spn=0.006269,0.009645z=17 with

[talk-au] CrisisCamp Pakistan Floods, Sydney (4-5 Sept)

2010-08-22 Thread Shoaib Burq
Hi all, Sorry if you have already gotten this via the Aust-NZ OSGeo list. Thought some of you maybe interested in coming along and helping out at the CrisisCamp being organized at UNSW Sydney on the weekend of 4-5 Sept. An enterprising team of volunteers and organisational supporters such as

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Fwd: [ILUG] ossbarcamp

2010-08-22 Thread Laura Czajkowski
On 22/08/10 19:34, Richard Cantwell wrote: Now there's an idea. The area around UCD is pretty well mapped, but I'm sure there are plenty of POI's etc. that could be added. The producer of the Phantom FM radio show that I was interviewed about OSM on (available here:

Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 23, assunto 17

2010-08-22 Thread Mauro Borowsky
Sou de Porto Alegre, e gostaria de participar do grupo de mapeadores daqui, aprender mais, se existir este grupo uma abrao Mauro Borowsky Em 17/08/2010 08:00, talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org escreveu: Send Talk-br mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] An die Garmin-Bastler

2010-08-22 Thread malenki
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Aber vielleicht kannst Du mal schauen, warum dein Mailclient derzeit wieder auf Vollquote arbeitet, sogar inklusive der Mailingslisten-Footer. Das liegt an der Tastatur, genauso wie die prellenden Tasten bei Ausrufe- und Fragezeichen und das Leerzeichen davor. hth

Re: [Talk-de] Unterscheidung (war Tiefenangabe alsName)

2010-08-22 Thread Christian Wagner
Am Samstag, den 21.08.2010, 03:47 +0200 schrieb Olaf Hannemann: Hallo Christian, [...] Das ist genau das was FT macht, wenn aus der privaten Datenbank gearbeitet wird und das laden in die OSM Daten Bank nur Alibi-Funktion hat. Denn sagt ja selbst: Es wird entschieden was zu OSM

Re: [Talk-de] Maßstab

2010-08-22 Thread Torsten Rahn
Hallo, On Sunday 22 August 2010 04:30:32 Tirkon wrote: Ich meinte eigentlich eine Lösung für alle - auch ohne Kenntnis von Computerchinesisch - auf der Hauptseite des Projektes www.osm.org. Selbst wenn der Maßstab nicht genau ist. Aber eine Abschätzung, ob eine Strecke etwa 100 Meter oder 1

[Talk-de] Fragen zu Grenzen

2010-08-22 Thread Manuel Reimer
Hallo, die Grenzen unseres Gemeindegebiets wurden von jemandem vor Jahren schon grob vereinfacht eingezeichnet. Verständlicherweise, weil Feldwege, an denen die Grenze verläuft, gefehlt haben. Kann ich, sobald die nötigen Wege da sind, die Grenze nach einer amtlichen Karte übertragen?

Re: [Talk-de] Unterscheidung (war Tiefenangabe alsName)

2010-08-22 Thread Christian Wagner
Am Samstag, den 21.08.2010, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Olaf Hannemann: Hallo Mario, [...] das klingt bei dir so, als würdest du auf eine Delegation von (gewählten/ernannten?) Entscheidungsträgern warten? Auch fänds ichs schon deine Perspektive des gegenseitig Kaputtmachens erzählt zu

Re: [Talk-de] Unterscheidung (war Tiefenangabe alsName)

2010-08-22 Thread Christian Wagner
Am Sonntag, den 22.08.2010, 03:37 +0200 schrieb Olaf Hannemann: Hallo Martin, [...] Das Problem ist, dass nicht jeder Leuchturm bei Tage (also als Landmarke) von See aus gut zu erkennen ist. So stehen einige wie z.B. der Leuchtturm Buk zu weit im Landesinneren um noch als Landmarke

[Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-22 Thread Felix Hartmann
Ich hab mal hier ganz kurz ein paar Punkte hingeschrieben, die wir uns anschauen sollten, um einen Fork aufzusetzen, und somit Druck auf die OSMF auszuueben, die Odbl abzublasen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ccbysa_fork Statt nur zu meckern sollten wir Taten folgen lassen um die

[Talk-de] OpenRouteService Beta Fahrradrouting!

2010-08-22 Thread Sven Geggus
Hallo zusammen, hab gerade das neue Fahrradrouting von ORS ausprobiert und muss sagen, dass ich beeindruckt bin. Auf mein Standardweg hier (ca. 10km) wir genau die Route vorgeschlagen, die ich immer fahre und die auf langjähriger Erfahrung beruht. Endlich keine zwanghafte Benutzung großer

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-22 Thread Sebastian Masch
Felix Hartmann wrote on 22.08.2010 12:10: Ich hab mal hier ganz kurz ein paar Punkte hingeschrieben, die wir uns anschauen sollten, um einen Fork aufzusetzen, und somit Druck auf die OSMF auszuueben, die Odbl abzublasen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ccbysa_fork Wo muss ich

Re: [Talk-de] Unterscheidung (war Tiefenangabe alsName)

2010-08-22 Thread Georg Feddern
Moin Olaf, Olaf Hannemann schrieb: P.S. Bitte antworte demnächst doch bitte nur an die Mailingliste und nicht zusätzlich an mich als pm. Du resp. Dein Mail-Client fordert den Antwortenden explizit dazu auf, beim 'normalen' Antworten zusätzlich eine Mail direkt an Dich zu senden, auch ohne

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-22 Thread Felix Hartmann
On 22.08.2010 12:56, Sebastian Masch wrote: Felix Hartmann wrote on 22.08.2010 12:10: Ich hab mal hier ganz kurz ein paar Punkte hingeschrieben, die wir uns anschauen sollten, um einen Fork aufzusetzen, und somit Druck auf die OSMF auszuueben, die Odbl abzublasen.

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-22 Thread Josias Polchau
Am 22.08.2010 13:20, schrieb Felix Hartmann: Dass kannst du nicht, solange der Fork unter CCBYSA steht. da Daten von der CC nicht abgedeckt werden, sind meine Daten nach Deutschem (EU-) Recht eigentlich garnicht oder nur für OSM lizensiert. ^^ bin gespannt was dabei rauskommt.

Re: [Talk-de] Ideen Sammel, und organisieren eines CCBYSA 2.0 Forks

2010-08-22 Thread Sebastian Klein
Felix Hartmann wrote: Ich hab mal hier ganz kurz ein paar Punkte hingeschrieben, die wir uns anschauen sollten, um einen Fork aufzusetzen, und somit Druck auf die OSMF auszuueben, die Odbl abzublasen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ccbysa_fork Statt nur zu meckern sollten wir Taten

Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zu Grenzen

2010-08-22 Thread bundesrainer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo Manuel Am 22.08.2010 11:51, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Kann ich, sobald die nötigen Wege da sind, die Grenze nach einer amtlichen Karte übertragen? Grenzverläufe sind ja wohl hoffentlich nicht geschützt... Die Grenzverläufe selbst sind nicht

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