Just being a little bit nitpick, it's a bit over 4x:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population
2013/1/30 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
China, with roughly three times the population of the US, at the level of
prosperity of Singapore.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
The work of Ken Shoulders (EV's or charge clusters) appears to me to be the
most ignored critical discovery of the age. It promises free energy and
outright transmutation - and if you read his background and lengthy patent, it
appears credible.
Also, a Russian scientist may have independently
There was a disturbing report on the NHK program Close Up Gendai:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/gendai/kiroku/detail_3301.html
Researchers in Antarctica have mapped the ice and land under it with radar
and other techniques. They have found there is a great deal more ice than
previously thought and it is
You can run this through Google translate here:
http://translate.google.com
Insert the URL into the box at the top of the screen:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/gendai/kiroku/detail_3301.html
The Google Chrome on-line translate does not seem to be working.
- Jed
That is frightening.
Now get this, there really *is* a conspiracy to cover up climate change:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionaires-secretly-fund-attacks-on-climate-science-8466312.html
Remarkable!
Guys, I am confident that you realize that this is just a fairy tale. What
better way to scare everyone than to suggest scenarios that are far beyond
reason. Of course it might be possible, but it is also possible that the sun
will explode, an asteroid will destroy life on earth, a giant
Huh, no. We are dead serious that this is a likely scenario. Much more
likely than a nuclear war.
2013/1/30 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Guys, I am confident that you realize that this is just a fairy tale.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
The Papp engine includes many of the principles that Lawrence Neldon
explains. Papp goes through extraordinary efforts to pack as many electrons
as possible into the cylinder including x-ray irradiation of noble gases.
This includes constraining coils which act to keep electrons away from the
If the level is going to rise by that amount, then I would expect to see a
meter rise every decade, which is not happening. Someone needs to calculate
the amount of heat energy required to melt all of that ice and realize that
this must come in addition to the heat that causes the air
The consequences of this sea level rise are not that bad. All the coastal
cities around the world will need to be moved upland a bit. This will
generate plenty of construction jobs.
It’s time for a new start anyway. We need to get rid of all that old art
and architecture.
Sarcasm intended:
There's already been one nuclear war. It was a bit one-sided.
I forgot about that one! That might be considered a nuclear end of war.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
There's already been one
If you kick sand in the face of the skinny guy on the beach, and he gets up
and kicks your ass, that's your problem! When you pick a fight, you'd
better be ready to take the consequences.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30,
It doesnt generate electricity, only heated water (steam) Didnt see a match
about the 12,000 watts it would normally take to develope this output, to the
actual output the machine uses. Wouldnt it be far more sensible to go into the
building heating market where they used to use steam or water
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If the level is going to rise by that amount, then I would expect to see a
meter rise every decade, which is not happening.
That is nonsense. That is a completely unwarranted assumption. You need to
read the papers.
That is a bit like saying that if a
Why would you think that these guys have better capability than the IPCC group
that predicts far less sea level rise? Do they have some magic dust or a new
improved crystal ball?
On occasions a new concept is revealed which no one previously thought of that
results in enormous change. I am
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
So, when will we begin to see these effects to such a degree that it will
become obvious?
Most experts say the changes are obvious now. And irrefutable. Perhaps you
disagree. I tend to believe experts who have done hands-on research, based
on my
I have not claimed to be an expert in climate change and merely have an
interest. I also have an interest in the well being of the other people on
the earth that we share. You can be assured that I would be very vocal about
climate change affecting us if I felt that it was a serious risk to
Dave, I hate to get involved in another debate war, but the climate
change issue is too important to ignore. The ice is melting world-wide
and the average temperature is increasing. The glaciers are melting
and the Arctic regon is losing ice. This fact is acknowledged by all
sides in the
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I believe, like many other people, that if the main caused is CO2
production, we are too late to stop the process or even to slow it down.
What makes you think that? We could stop using fossil fuel in 20 years. If
we had started serious efforts in
The problem is potentially a run-away warming due to melting of the
permafrost. There are tons of CO2 sequestered there.
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
So far I have only heard strong sounds emitted by the groups seeking
immediate action who conveniently leave out information that runs counter
to their beliefs.
I disagree. The people studying this problem, such as Prof. Dutton of F.U.,
strike me as
Ed stated:
The discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land presently
occupied by millions of people and important infrastructure.
There is NO emergency. Sell the house or start moving important
infrastructure to higher ground.
*IF* the oceans do rise significantly, it
Jed, it is too late because no practical way exists to stop burning
fossil fuels. The demand for energy is rising too rapidly, especially
in China. It is impossible to satisfy this demand without burning
coal, natural gas, and oil. The other sources of power are being
developed as fast as
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Jed, it makes little difference whether or not you believe me. We each
have our opinions that differ.
Yes, but my opinion is shared by nearly every expert, so it carries more
weight than yours. And by the way this is NOT a Fallacious Appeal to
Ed said,
People had better start thinking in these terms soon. I thought ahead and
now live at 8500 feet. :-)
I'm at about 5500'. might be beachfront in a few decades! J
-mark
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:56 PM
To:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Jed, it is too late because no practical way exists to stop burning fossil
fuels.
I am sorry but this is nonsense. The Chinese are presently building 30
nuclear power reactors, and they are installing roughly that much wind
power. If the U.S.,
How do you move the New York subway system or the Big Dig in Boston to
higher ground?
Cheers:Axil
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Ed stated:
“The discussion now must be how do we respond to the loss of land
presently occupied by millions
It is OK Ed. I believe that the oceans are rising to some degree. I also feel
that the climate is getting warmer as you and many others consider well proven.
My hang up is in timing and figuring out the best course of action to follow.
There is little doubt that many will be displaced if
It doesn't have to melt, just slide off into the drink.
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
Why would you think
No, Jed, it is not nonsense. It is simply a difference of opinion.
Yes, the Chinese are working hard to get energy. Meanwhile the
Japanese are burning more fossil fuel because they are afraid of
fission power, which we all should be. The issue is not what we might
do or could do if we
You don't. You build dikes and pump out the water, aka Holland. But
you start now to put the system in place as is being considered but
not implemented yet.
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
How do you move the New York subway system or the Big Dig in Boston
to higher
I live at 860 feet, should I be worried?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 4:09 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100
Ed said,
“People had better start thinking in these
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
As you can see, the political will does not exist to do anything heroic.
The will is not even present to develop cold fusion, which in any
case would require years before it had any impact at all.
Political will to act has often appeared very
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I consider a quick action to be dangerous at this time and might well put
many others in peril due to inefficiency.
What danger?!? There is not ONE action proposed to combat global warming
that would be dangerous. Most of the changes would be
This response is a thought toward problem solving and not climate change which
I have agreed to avoid without proper provocation.
One way to handle habitation when water is the only area available is to
actually build floating structures or to build habitats that are underwater.
With the
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
As you can see, the political will does not exist to do anything
heroic. The will is not even present to develop cold fusion, which
in any case would require years before it had any impact at all.
Yes and we can see this being implemented in the movie Water World.
Meanwhile, people have to be encouraged to move to higher ground.
Rather than insure houses in impacted areas to rebuild, why not pay
only if the person moves?
Ed
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:48 PM, David Roberson wrote:
This
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
If it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, similar dramatic
events might ensue.
If it becomes generally known. Yes, but my point is that it is not
becoming generally known and it will not be anytime soon.
You are not making a point
On 01/30/2013 04:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
What danger?!? There is not ONE action proposed to combat global
warming that would be dangerous. Most of the changes would be
beneficial in their own right, even if turns out global warming is not
happening. What objection can you have to electric
Ed:
I really respect you and your work in Cold Fusion but I think the whole process
has soured you. I am sure I don't need to remind you and everyone else on the
vortex that 2100 is 87 years away. I also think it is self evident that we
likely have NO idea what the world will be like in 87
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
No, Jed, it is not nonsense. It is simply a difference of opinion. Yes, the
Chinese are working hard to get energy. Meanwhile the Japanese are burning
more fossil fuel because they are afraid of fission power, which we all
should be.
If they become
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
The danger is in the inefficiency. Electric cars and wind energy, is not
present in the numbers you envision, because they are more expensive
than proven internal combustion engines and fossil fuel.
I do not think so. Take for example, the cost of oil.
The danger involved, for one thing, is the waste of vital capital in pursuit of
solutions that aren't real.
If we get Cold Fusion or A Really Good Battery, well and good, problem solved.
If not, wind, solar and nukes aren't going to replace oil. I am appalled at
academics who propose
Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I also think it is self evident that we likely have NO idea what the world
will be like in 87 years, what advances will have been achieved, what world
economics will look like or the state of energy production.
Actually, you would be surprised how
I'm curious. of all the Vorts, who thankfully are discussing this issue in a
respectable manner (so far), how many of you know what percent of the
atmosphere is CO2? Be honest now. before you take 20 secs to look it up on
the web!
-Mark
From: Chris Zell [mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com]
Sent:
On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
No, Jed, it is not nonsense. It is simply a difference of opinion.
Yes, the Chinese are working hard to get energy. Meanwhile the
Japanese are burning more fossil fuel because they are afraid of
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
The danger involved, for one thing, is the waste of vital capital in
pursuit of solutions that aren't real.
If not, wind, solar and nukes aren't going to replace oil.
As I said, wind and nukes are cheaper than oil when you include the price
of
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
As for Japan, they are going back to nuclear power because they do not
like living with rolling blackouts and high energy cost.
They have not had any rolling blackouts, as far as I know.
As you note, wind is out. Solar is not sufficient and not
Antarctica is getting colder.
There has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years
despite CO2 going up 10%
Wu et al., 2010 determined that the GIA commonly assumed for Greenland
was way too high and that the 2002-2008 ice loss rate was 104 Gt/yr
rather than the oft cited
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
Only a free market can assess all the risks and costs, and provide the best
product at the cheapest price.
I am all in favor of capitalism, but it does not always assess all risks
and costs successfully. Like any institution, it fails. People are
imperfect
I think the Earth's core is converting enthalpy to entropy and helping to
cool us.
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013, a.ashfield wrote:
Antarctica is getting colder.
There has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years
despite CO2 going up 10%
CF has not soured me, Randy. Living for 83 years and watching history
unfold has made me more of an realist than I was when I was young and
compared to many people commenting on Vortex. Like everyone, I wish
many things were different and I do what I can to make changes.
However, some
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:14 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I’m curious… of all the Vorts, who thankfully are discussing this issue in a
respectable manner (so far), how many of you know what percent of the
atmosphere is CO2? Be honest now… before you take 20 secs to look it
One of the comments says this:
He [Crichton] rightfully warns us to be skeptical about what we are told
from the variety of mainstream sources we are exposed to. I suspect that it
will be difficult for anyone whose mind is not closed on the global warming
issue to read this book without gaining a
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
If you’re smart, sell the place now while beachfront property is valuable…
when your house is underwater it won’t be worth much!
I live in the East Bay, across a bridge from San Francisco. A group of us
were
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
But all costs need to be included in the product.
If externalities were included in the price of things like petroleum use, I
think you might see a dramatic change in consumer and industrial use of
such resources. But
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