Snip...message from Jed
...I did not realize that people there are uninterested in the
politics of cold fusion. Since that is my main area of expertise,
I do not have much else to contribute, so I don't see much point
to rejoining...
I didn't think there was a lack of interest in Jed's
Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Perreault's (don't beat me with a stick for saying his name)
weird-ass coax cable thing. This thing:
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm I wonder what
it does? Probably nothing, but I just happen to have everything
needed to make one. Setting
Regarding two posts made by Mr. Hollilns:
Has no one learned? This entire conversation should be in B.
and
If its actual politics that has to do with the technology and
development of the science, thats one thing.
The moment it extrapolates to world politics, ect, thats taking it a bit
Alexander has a crucial fact wrong. Jed did not 'take his ball and go
home'. Bill Beaty, the list moderator, expelled Jed from the list.
I am pleased with Jed's comments below. It is factual, straightforward, as
Jed has always been.
Mike Carrell
- Original Message -
From: Alexander
If Jed stays away however after he has been let back in and does so despite
knowing he had plenty of support.
Well yes that could be considered worthy of that term, that however has not
happened yet.
Essentially let's sum it up thus, Grok is/was an ass.
He has lead to MR. Beaty drawing a line in
Considering that the other person banned has already been reinstated
after asking Bill directly and saying he won't do it again, and the
fact that Jed said,
I did not
realize that people there are uninterested in the politics of cold
fusion.
Since that is my main area of expertise, I do not
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Can we get back to discussing actual science, pretty pretty please,
with deuterium on top?
Then, about 8 hours later, Alexander Hollins wrote:
[ ... ]
Is him[Jed] saying, well hell, if you won't let me post politics, im just
not going to post.
That is dead on him
I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, might
be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not.
Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare, especially if you assume
that the topic is not just alternative sources of energy but IMO things the
skeptics
From Mr. Hollins:
Considering that the other person banned has already been
reinstated after asking Bill directly and saying he won't
do it again, and the fact that Jed said,
From Jed:
I did not realize that people there are uninterested in the
politics of cold fusion.
Since that is my
OrionWorks wrote:
[ ... ]
I believe you are conveniently reinterpreting Jed's comments to craft
your own vision of Jed, implying that he is behaving like a sulking
child for not getting his own way...
Where is the technical content here?
Encouraging Grok by responding to his messages --
Im just saying, lets not martyrize him. and, if someone personally
responds to me, even if its in such as way as to speak about me as if
i wasn't persent, I'm going to respond.
and, there is still a place for his political rants, on VoB. whether
he does so or not, is up to him. and im not
John Berry wrote:
I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm,
might be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not.
Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare, especially if you
assume that the topic is not just alternative sources of energy but
I am very interested in aethor theories, as well as a replicatable
free energy device. I would be a great test, if i can build it,
anyone can! heh.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, John Berryaethe...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, might
From Stephen Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote:
[ ... ]
I believe you are conveniently reinterpreting Jed's comments
to craft your own vision of Jed, implying that he is behaving
like a sulking child for not getting his own way...
Where is the technical content here?
Encouraging Grok by
OrionWorks wrote:
From Stephen Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote:
BTW, I seem to recall that once you yourself attempted to perform a
thorough analysis of the grok persona.
Right. On 2/24, about four months before the big blowup, I replied to
one of Grok's posts with such an analysis. And at
I hope Mr. Beaty has not taken offense to the fact that I have often
described him as the Virtual God of Vortex-l - the Vort Collective or
Continuum. No offence was intended.
It can be a difficult job playing the role of a Moderator. So many
different opinions can be expressed. Opinions and
I agree with the view expressed here by Lawrence. In addition, this is
a group of individuals who like to get to know each other while they
discussion the scientific ideas. This social interaction is important
and I would like to have it accepted as a normal part of these
communications.
It seems to me that there are, for our purposes here, two very different
politics.
There is political commentary dealing with the world at large. Sometimes it
is informed commentary, sometimes it is rant, and sometimes it is mere
labeling and insult.
And then there is the 'politics' of CF, or
This is just an observation that may or may not be serendipitous, but
striking enough to me to document it.
This morning I thought my electric coffee pot was malfunctioning. It
was very loud and quite disconcerting for a while until I figured out
what was happening. It was cavitating
I'm outta here. It's been real. It was fun, but lately it's taking too
much time and resulting in too much bad karma for the amount of
information gained.
If I've got time in my hands in a while I may check the archives and if
it looks interesting I'll resubscribe, but for now, I can use the
Horace -
Free association^2 ... Some theories hold that some of the tiny calcium
particles in some water supplies are formed by nanobacteria. Water with
special properties (healing, etc.), for instance Arkansas hot springs
water, have a high concentration of these organisms(?). Don't know if
--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Kyle sees snapshots of Jed as a cruel and arrogant person
-- in fact he drives a cheap car.
Prius is not cheap. $1000 Buick is cheap.
What Kyle does not see is
Jed's acute and passionate awareness of the millions in
developing
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Jed's temporary ban...
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 8:22 AM
Interesting page. Here are some comments (yes,
they're just theory, I
don't
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally my interest is in the aether and I have much
evidence for a model I have developed which explains most
everything and roughly how to do almost anything, but I can
not imagine trying to wade into that subject here.
I've had
On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
There is no 'try to understand' of many of the caustic things he's
said about workers and the average man. Now everyone is going to try
and candy coat things. I'm sorry, try
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
John Berry wrote:
I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm,
might be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not.
Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare,
OK, I'm interested in the anomalies you mentioned, particularly the
conditioning of space.
The whole no ether thing never made sense to me because the characteristic
impedance of space is about 328 ohms and is a real factor in antenna design..
No Ether? What's impeding the RF?
I think
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Kyle, in the absence of Jed, I feel it's my duty to educate
about cold fusion. If you want to know what has been learned
up to 2007, I suggest you read my book The Science of Low
Energy Nuclear Reaction. If you want to learn
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Chris Zell chrisrz...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Chris Zell chrisrz...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:On Topic
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:15 PM
OK, I'm interested in the
anomalies you mentioned, particularly the conditioning of
space.
The whole
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:58:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
I see that Vortex has acquired the religion/politics illness that affects
most forums. Or call it poor health, where natural defenses begin to
fail, and opportunistic infections start appearing.
---
Indeed.
---
We could ban politics
Note, a post detailing the effect/device is coming, might take a bit before
it's complete...
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com
wrote:
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Chris Zell chrisrz...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Chris Zell chrisrz...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:
On Jun 15, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Kyle, in the absence of Jed, I feel it's my duty to educate
about cold fusion. If you want to know what has been learned
up to 2007, I suggest you read my book The Science of
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Kyle
Mcallisterkyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
As to torsion, are you referring to the stuff Alexander Shpilman and co. were
doing? Weren't they exposed as frauds?
Is he affiliated with Gennady Shipov? I always considered Shipov the
torsion czar. (Oops!
Lately Shipov, et. al., has been claiming some reactionless drive effects.
Terry
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Kyle
Mcallisterkyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
As to torsion, are you referring to the stuff Alexander
Oh dear; here I am trying to clean out my yahoo mail acct; which incidentally
was recently phished; but because I have 132,000 messages or something this
takes forever at 25 messages at a shot, and the yahoo loading time for that
instruction ect... So I started from A in alphabetical sending
Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the
effectiveness and integrity of the list.
I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate
subjects here until this recent flare-up. I, of course, thought they were
OT, but tolerated.
Now if the word
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Steven
Krivitstev...@newenergytimes.com wrote:
(I presume that threads about energy politics are
acceptable.)
Rothwell might disagree.
Terry
A 240 degree F heat release is made on a laser light measurement of the 3/8
wide block. From notes a 1DCA field current from a 9.2 DCV source enabled
three stator phases of 13.8 volts. Each phase recorded the following inputs
1) 26 volts (resonant voltage rise) enabling .35 A across 2.3 ohm
Vortex,
I have apologized to Jed. I don't know if he will accept it, but nevertheless,
I post it here as well, to make a public statement of it.
Jed and I do not agree on many things. But unfortunately, I took advantage of
that, and lashed out in anger. I feel anger first, when I perceive a
I have procurred and tested a 60 hz resonant supply to a DC water cell. This
was in earlier winter months where I became fascinated by the end component
which can act through the air; where these were high induction coil pairs of 60
H paired through air to a pair of 23 mh coils made as two
In reply to Lawrence de Bivort's message of Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:08:33 -0400:
Hi Lawrence,
[snip]
Hi, Robin,
Agreed that carbons can be used to make carbon compounds. But, as you point
out, there is non-trivial the matter of energy consumed in the process and,
I would add, the non-trivial matter
Agreed.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Steven Krivit
stev...@newenergytimes.comwrote:
Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the
effectiveness and integrity of the list.
I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate
subjects here until
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