[Wikimediach-l] Übersetzungen - Status?
An die Übersetzer unter euch (Ilja, Emanuel, Patrick):Wir haben ja am Treffen als Deadline Ende Nov ausgemacht, deshalb: Könntet ihr evtl. an diese Liste ein kurzes Feedback geben, wie die Übersetzungen gedeihen? Bitte auch melden, wenn die Deadline nicht einhaltbar ist, das ist halb so tragisch, da wir die Statuten ja jetzt nicht verschicken müssen, sondern die auf dem Web gegengelesen werden. Gruss und DankeMichael-- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Übersetzungen - Status?
This is certainly true, therefore at the end of november, translations will only be moved to ch.wikimedia.org and posted on this list, so that everybody can comment.About one week after (or even later), bylaws will then be officially presented to the board, with notices on Mailing lists and mails to officers/boards members. However, in this one week (or more), changes can still be made to the translations.RegardsMichaelAm 27.11.05 schrieb Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:In Wikimedia Italia we had shared all translations through the mailing lists. In this way anyone had offered his contribution through his skills.It is important the deadline but the most important thing is that in thetranslations there aren't misunderstandings because there are legal words that are not so easy to translate.If you are late, you can post in the mailing list to correct or completethe translations.IlarioPatrick Kenel wrote: Ich bin schon weit mit der Italienisch-Übersetzung, aber noch nicht fertig. Bis zur Deadline wird es trotzdem reichen. Melde mich dann wieder Patrick From:/Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Reply-To:/Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org/ To:/Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@wikipedia.org/ Subject:/[Wikimediach-l] Übersetzungen - Status?/ Date:/Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:22:29 +0100/ An die Übersetzer unter euch (Ilja, Emanuel, Patrick): Wir haben ja am Treffen als Deadline Ende Nov ausgemacht, deshalb: Könntet ihr evtl. an diese Liste ein kurzes Feedback geben, wie die Übersetzungen gedeihen? Bitte auch melden, wenn die Deadline nicht einhaltbar ist, das ist halb so tragisch, da wir die Statuten ja jetzt nicht verschicken müssen, sondern die auf dem Web gegengelesen werden. Gruss und Danke Michael -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l___ Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Urheberrechtsverletzung durch die Programmzeitschrift Free TV
Danke für die Mail, aber warum exakt gibts eine Kopie an Wikimediach-l? Ich sehe nicht ganz ein, weshalb das die richtige Liste sein sollte (wikide-l finde ich gut, dort kommen öfters Kopien von Mails). GrussMichael Am 29.11.05 schrieb Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guten Tag,wir freuen uns, dass Sie sich für Ihre Programmzeitschrift dafür entschieden haben, Inhalte der Wikipedia [1] zu verwenden. U. a. für solche Zwecke wurdedieses Projekt geschaffen.Leider haben Sie es bisher versäumt, die Lizenzbestimmungen, unter denen Ihnendiese Texte zur Verfügung gestellt wurden, zu beachten. Die GNU Lizenz für freie Dokumentation (GFDL)[3] erfordert zwingend- die Nennung der fünf an einem Text beteiligten Hauptautoren- einen eindeutigen Hinweis, dass der Text der GFDL unterliegt- eine Kopie des Lizenztexts von http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.htmlWir möchten Sie bitten in der nächsten Ausgabe Ihrer Programmzeitschrift diesnachzuholen (auch wenn Sie in Zukunft keine weiteren Artikel der Wikipedia verwenden wollen).Als Gentlemens Agreement könnten Sie dies zB. in einem Bericht über dieWikipedia realisieren indem Sie ua. beschreiben, dass Sie in derVergangenheit Artikel aus der Wikipedia verwendet haben und dabei die Lizenz erwähnen. Dafür können Sie auch den Artikel über die Wikipedia selbst [3]verwenden - unter Einhaltung der GFDL. Damit würden beide Seiten profitierenund das Problem rückwirkend aus der Welt schaffen.Vorsorglich weisen wir Sie daraufhin, dass jede Verwendung ohne Einhaltung der Lizenz einen Verstoß gegen das Urheberrecht darstellt. Vielen Dank für IhreMithilfe.Mit freundlichen Grüßen,Manuel SchneiderEhrenamtlicher MitarbeiterWikipedia - die freie Enzyklopädie [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Leonhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_(Firma) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frühstück_bei_Tiffanyhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterlingsilber http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natelhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handy[2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_FDL [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia---All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.all-things-open.org/BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-Version: 3.1GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ VPS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--___ Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Re: [Wikide-l] Gedruckte Wikipedia aus der dunklen Seite des Universums
Am 29.11.05 schrieb Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Dienstag, 29. November 2005 15:41 schrieb Mathias Schindler: In einen Blogs gibt es derzeit Hinweise, daß eine schweizerische TV-Zeitschrift Teile ihres Textteiles aus der Wikipedia entliehen hat. http://lismal.ch/text/artikel_du-sollst-nicht-abschreiben-_883.htm Hat jemand Lust, mal bei denen anzuklopfen? Ansprechpartner wäre die U1 TV AG.Ich leite das hiermit mal an die schweizer ML weiter.Bitte beachten: Das ist die ML des Schweizer Vereins und IMHO nicht die Schweizer ML persé. Ähnlich wie ja wohl an vereinde-l auch keine solche Mails geschickt werden. Da dies a matter der deutsch'''sprachigen''' bin ich dafür, solche Sachen auf der deutsch'''sprachigen''' ML auszudiskutieren und nicht hier. Aber ich lasse mich mit guten Argumenten umstimmen... Grüsse,GrussMichaelP.S: Um es nochmals klar zu machen: Your mail to this magazine is highly appreciated, ich denke nur, dass das hier nicht die richtige Diskussionsplattform ist. Manuel---All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.all-things-open.org/--- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-Version: 3.1GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ VPS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++--END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l-- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Zürcher gesucht
2005/12/3, Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aber wenn ich es nicht vergesse, blättere ich ab und zu mal darin rum. Da es ja gratis ist: Haben die keine Website, wo sie die Artikel auch abdrucken?Ist mir nicht bekannt, auf der Website des Senders ist jedenfalls nichts vermerkt und ein Original kam mir leider noch nie unter.Wie bereits auf dieser ML beschrieben verwenden die Redakteure (sofern siediesen Namen überhaupt verdienen) WP-Artikel als Inhalt und sind daherverwarnt worden. Nun liegt es an uns dies zu überwachen und das überlasse ich Dir in diesemFalle Dir da Du als Zürcher Zugang zu dieser Zeitschrift hast. Fallsnämlich keine Reaktion erfolgt (es kam zumindest kein Mail zurück) dann müssen wir rechtliche Schritte einleiten.Nur so nebenbei: http://www.ignoranz.ch/tag/Gratiszeitung http://www.lismal.ch/text/artikel_du-sollst-nicht-abschreiben-_883.htmWenigstens im Web gibt es eine Reaktion. Quote von der zweiten Seite: Leider wird dieser Brief [ein vom Autor geschicktes Mail zu den WP-URVs] die Redaktion kaum erreichen, da die im Impressum der Zeitung angegebenen Mailadressen nicht existieren. Das erklärt wohl so manches... Gruss,ManuelGrussMichael --- All-Things-Open Projektgruppe[EMAIL PROTECTED]--BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ VPS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--___ Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] English (and French) translations, problems?
Ad french translations: Mea culpa, I forgot, that Emanuel already said on this mailing list, that fr-translations will be ready around Christmas. Sorry! However, we still don't know anything about the English ones...Michael 2005/12/9, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wie ich eben gesehen habe, ist Ilja gar nicht auf dieser Mailinglist, meine Anfragen konnten ihn also gar nicht erreichen. Habe ihm jetzt mal eine private Mail geschrieben. Gruss Michael 2005/12/9, Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Is there a problem with the English (and the French) translation of the bylaws or is it possible to give a date, when they are ready? It's absolutely no problem, that the first deadline (end of November) has been missed, but as it's now 10 days later, it would be nice, if you could give a kind of time scale.As I didn't get the english version to review in the first place I'f like to ask the same question.Manuel---All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.all-things-open.org/--- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-Version: 3.1GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--___Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] OSS Roadmap
Bin per Zufall auf diesen Link gestossen:http://www.ch-open.ch/sigs/ossroadmap/die Swiss Open Systems User Group macht hier zusammen mit IBM Schweiz einen Kalender, eine sogenannte OSS Roadmap, in dem alle Veranstaltungen rund um Freie und Open Source Software aufgeführt werden sollen. Wäre es sinnvoll, allenfalls unsere Gründungsversammlung dann dort einzutragen (sobald Datum bekannt)?Kennt jmd. diesen Verein?GrussmIchael -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Fwd: Abwesenheitsnotiz
Tja, mit der schnellen Antwort wars wohl nichts.Aber vielleicht kommt ja dann noch was.GrussMichael-- Forwarded message --From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 05.01.2006 19:06Subject: AbwesenheitsnotizTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Guten TagDie Geschäftsstelle vitamin B bleibt wegen Ferien bis am 10. Januar geschlossen.Anmeldungen und Bestellungen werden aber entgegengenommen.Wir wünschen Ihnen frohe Festtage und ein in allen Belangen gutes Neues Jahr. Christa CamponovoGeschäftsstelle v i t a m i n B-- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Gründung - Formales
Dieser Link dürfte noch interessant sein:http://www.baselland.ch/docs/jpd/handreg/infos/vereine/gruendung_weg.htmEbenfalls das hier: (Wir sind zwar kein Kampfsportverein, aber ist sehr allgemein gehalten); http://www.swissbudo-portal.ch/wDeutsch/recht/vereinsrecht/vereinsgruendung.shtmlDas hier ist kurz aber sagt aus, dass wenig formales zu beachten ist. http://www.staefa.ch/xml_1/Internet/de/application/d11/f188.cfmDas hier als Musterprotokoll: http://www.advocat.ch/files/Gruendungsprotokoll.pdf(wir können also auch zu dritt in ein Anwaltsbüro...)Alles nur das Resultat von einer kurzen Google-Suche, also mit Vorsicht zu geniessen -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] einige (eh rgeizige) Gedanken zur Gründung
okay. Und wie spät nach der Gründung (Zeitraum einige Wochen oder ein Jahr?)2006/1/9, Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Weshalb machen wir nicht einen Wikipedia Day, wie es die Deutschen schon mal in Dresden gemacht haben ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Treffen_der_Wikipedianer/Wikipedia-Tag_Dresden), der den ganzen Tag lang dauert, und in dessen Verlauf dann (als Highlight) Wikimedia CH offiziell gegründet wird?So ähnlich habe ich mir das mit dem Tag der offenen Tür vorgestellt und ichfinde die Idee des Wikipedia Days super. Dass es das in Dresden schon mal gab wusste ich gar nicht, aber umso besser für uns. Contra: - Wir müssen sehr viel organisieren (Ort, Material, Leute die dort sind, Werbung...), also würde es dann vielleicht eher Sommer als Frühling werden Einer der Gründe, warum ich es von der Gründung trennen wollte (und immer nochwill). - Es müssten Leute bereit sein, halt mal einen Samstag (fände ich spontan der geeignetste Wochentag) oder mind. ein paar Stunden dort zu sein und a) am Stand zu stehen, und Informationen zu geben, evtl. auch mit den PCs zu helfen etc. oder b) eben auch Vorträge halten/Kurse leiten. Die Frage ist: Bringen wir genug viele Leute zusammen, z.B. auch einen (deutschen) Developer, der über technisches spricht, oder vielleicht auch jmd. von der Foundation (delphine/board) etc.Wenn man einen Verein hat, hat es Mitglieder... und ich wäreselbstverständlich auch dabei. - Wo können wir einen Ort finden, der nicht das inexistente Budget sprengt? (Es wird z.B. wohl eher teuer, eine Messehalle einen ganzen Tag lang zu mieten... Manuel, kennst du die Tarife in etwa?) Ich könnte da evtl. was in Basel an der Abteilung Informatik der FHBBorganisieren. Da hätten wir auch ein paar Supporter. Also, die Idee ist vielleicht ein bisschen gar grössenwahnsinnig, aber es wäre einfach eine Alternative zur Gründungsversammlung mit 9 Leuten im Anwaltsbüro/Bahnhofsbuffet.Ich finde es wie gesagt super, würde aber nach wie vor die Gründung lieberschnell und im kleinen, unkomplizierten Rahmen durchführen und auf dieserBasis dann, wenn die ganzen Gründungsschmerzen (Formalitäten etc.) überstanden sind dann Ende Sommer den Wikipedia Day angehen.Bis dahin hat es Mitglieder, Budget und man hat Zeit die Presse und andereBeziehungen einzuweihen und spielen zu lassen. Ich gebe jetzt mal die Idee zum allgemeinen Abschuss frei... (Die obigen Ideen alle zu verwirklichen scheint mir ein bisschen unrealisitisch, das war mehr eine Art Brainstormin)Als Verein sehe ich das durchaus als machbar an. Ich habe schon einigeganztägige Linux-Installparties organisiert, das lief so ähnlich ab (PCs, Vorführungen, VOrträge, Presse...), eine davon konnte man im ersten DeutschenFernsehen (ARD Ratgeber Technik) betrachten.Grüsse,Manuel--- All-Things-Open Projektgruppe[EMAIL PROTECTED]--BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ VPS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--___ Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orghttp://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [/ch/open] Information OSS Roadmap] and Wikipedia Day
The proposed August, 26th (last Saturday of the holidays in Kanton ZH) looks fine to me, doesn't conflict with wikimania neither with soccer wm (afaik), last saturday of holidays in ZH, so people are back again, but still have some free time etc. Please remark: A lot is now written on http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Wikipedia_Day_2006 so people who think, that they could help (by being there or in preparatory work) should list themselves there. ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia day/Patronage VIS ETH / fix a date
Robin Schwab wrote: Now it's up to you to decide. What just crossed my mind: If we want a really prominent person for a speech (e.g. Jimbo) we would definitely need to ask him first, when he has time capacity. I mean otherwise we decide on June the xyth and then Jimbo/the prominent guest says Oh what a pity, on June xyth I can't come but it would have been possible one week later. So as we only have 5 days left, we would need to *very quickly* ask the relevant people when they would have time. Regards Michael -- -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia day/Patronage VIS ETH / fix a date
2006/1/24, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What just crossed my mind: If we want a really prominent person for a speech (e.g. Jimbo) we would definitely need to ask him first, when he has time capacity. I mean otherwise we decide on June the xyth and then Jimbo/the prominent guest says Oh what a pity, on June xyth I can't come but it would have been possible one week later. So as we only have 5 days left, we would need to *very quickly* ask the relevant people when they would have time. I'm glad you address this topic and you're perfectly right. To me, it's not that important to have these really prominent people although it would be nice if someone could come. I wouldn't spend 1000 CHF for a flight for Jimbo (I hope e forgives me if he sees this). If we try to get multiple persons it's impossible fix a date that's fine for everybody. I don't think that you would need to pay him a flight... (Angela/Delphine: You can definitely inform us here can't you?) Instead I would ask some medium prominent people like Bertrand Meyer (and I hope he forgives me this term too) *after* fixing the date. As he is in Switzerland (working very close to GEP) he might hold a speech for a nice present and some drinks. Isn't this the man in whose WP-entry somebody announced his death while he was still living. I'm not so sure whether he likes WIkipedia so much at the moment. Do you know further persons we could invite for a speech? Hm, question is whether we want people from the Open-Source-Szene (there Manuel knows maybe a few names) or other people from a Bildungsumfeld. Michael Regards Robin ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Bug der uns betrifft
Ich habe mir erlaubt, einen Bug (s.u.) zu öffnen (Stichwort Interwikilinks Wikipedia-ch.wikimedia), nachdem mir im IRC versichert wurde, das es momentan nicht geht. Wenn ihr Kommentare anbringen wollt oder auch einfach voten möchtet, seid ihr herzlich eingeladen. Gruss Michael Bug: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4774 -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] New French speaker in the list
Hello Frederic Dear Swiss Wikipedians, after a few weeks of 'lurking', I thought now was a good time to introduce myself on this mailing-list. I am mostly active on the English Wikipedia, except for the occasional wikilink on fr or de, but despite my last name, I am a French speaker, leaving in Suisse Romande, and my German is somewhat patchy. I am therefore very grateful for the recent discussion that saw English chosen as the lingua franca in this list. Well then. welcome to this list! It's nice to have more Romands here (are there any yet?). Although there are several comments I wanted to make during the last discussions, I have finally decided to post here following an interesting article in Le Temps today (today being already Mon 30th Jan). The text, in French, can be found at http://www.letemps.ch/template/editoriaux.asp?page=1article=173039 and http://www.letemps.ch/template/tempsFort.asp?page=3article=173055 (they will remain available only for today or a few days). The article is not perfect (a few mistakes, as far as I know), but the general tone is largely positive. Which brings me to a question... Do you still need help for contacts with the French-Speaking newspapers/medias in Switzerland ? As far as I know, yes (?). You might want to get in touch with Nando (Stöcklin) who is press contact for (german) Switzerland. Just like everyone, I don't have much free time (Wikipedia editing already eats much of it...), but would be happy to help if needed -- with the caveats that I am pretty bad when speaking in direct (eg no radio for me...), and I don't know the French wikipedia as well as the English one (but the article on Le Temps, for example, was mostly about the well-publicised reports on en.w.o). All the best, Regards Michael Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia Day - location
2006/1/31, Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you all for your work - I've now listed the Wikipedia Day 2006 in the OSS Raodmap which will be available online and printed. Thanks a lot to you and thanks a lot to Robin for finding the location! Greets, Regards Michael Manuel -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] 17. Juni 2006: Wikipedia-Tag?
Nochmals herzlichen Dank für dein Wirken und auch thanks to everybody who will join uns in organizing this great event, eine solche Podiumsdiskussion fände ich auch ein toller Höhepunkt. Nun, da ja die Raumbuchung bestätigt ist, sollen wir mal eine offizielle anfrage an Jimbo schicken? (Wenn ja, bitte hier zuerst einen Entwurf verfassen, damit nachher nicht 3 Mails bei Jimbo auftauchen). Gruss Michael Am 01.02.06 schrieb Schwab Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Die Raumreservation wurde schriftlich bestätigt. Gruss Robin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] im Auftrag von Robin Schwab Gesendet: Di 31.01.2006 21:43 An: Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland Betreff: Re: [Wikimediach-l] 17. Juni 2006: Wikipedia-Tag? Guten Abend miteinander! Die vielen positiven Rückmeldungen haben mich super gefreut! Danke Manuel für den Eintrag in die Roadmap, selbstverständlich bist du auch herzlich zum mitorganisieren eingeladen, ich hatte bloss die beiden Schreibweisen von (E)Manuel am Herbstreffen übersehen. Die Reservation des GEP habe ich vorgenommen, eine Bestätigung steht allerdings noch aus. Dass wir die Wikipedia Academy am selben Datum in Göttingen konkurrieren denke ich nicht, schliesslich ist unsere Zielgruppe primär im süddeutschen Raum und in der Schweiz lokalisiert. Hingegen besteht wirklich die Chance, dass wir Jimbo Wales für einen Auftritt gewinnen könnten. Eine Art Podiumsdiskussion zwischen dem Gründer der Wikipedia und jemandem, der dadurch Ziel eines sehr üblen Scherzes geworden ist, wäre angedacht. Marcus Dapp (den ich übrigens höchstens vom Sehen kenne) wäre eine weitere Ergänzung unseres Tages. Da ich diese Woche ständig unterwegs bin, kann ich kaum viel beitragen. Ich werde am Wochenende eine detailliertere Todo-List aufstellen, wo dann jeder interessierte einen Punkt rausgreifen und erledigen kann. Ich freu mich auf einen spannenden Tag mit vielen Besuchern! Gruss Robin ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Rhaeto-Romanic (and other) translations
An offer for a Rhaeto-Romanic translation (by mail to list-owner) was made by Anita Decurtins-Capaul, a student of romance languages and literature (and else) at University Zurich, to translate the Wikimedia CH bylaws into Rumantsch Grischun. She has already translated an Asterix-comic into Rumantsch Grischun (mentioned as reference). Matters that need to be discussed include salary and time-frame, however I do not think that rumantsch-translation ultimatively needs to be present prior to foundation. Comments on the offer are appreciated. Regards Michael By the way: Is there any update on en-translations (Manuel, were you able to ask your friend?) and french translations (Emanuel?) -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Call for board members
As the foundation is coming nearer, we make now a call for board members. Interested people can list themselves/somebody else on http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board/Candidatures Please read through the introduction at the beginning (and just change it if sth is badly explained). I have not listed any job requirements as this could discourage people but I think we can decide on people also without this. Regards Michael -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rhaeto-Romanic (and other) translations
2006/2/3, Patrick Kenel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think, we would all appreciate a translation into Rhaetoromansh, because size doesn't matter. However, I'm quite surprised that this student is considering a salary when participation at the Wikimedia projects is explicitely voluntary (mentioned in the bylaws). She could use the bylaws translation as a further reference for her future jobs but we won't offer her a payed job. This might be a mistake of mine. In her original email, she did not directly mention a salary, she just wrote ch freue mich darauf, von Ihnen zu hören und in einem persönlichen Gespräch weitere Details zu meiner Person und meinen Qualifikationen zu erörtern. I interpreted this also as discussions about salary but I may be wrong here. So don't blame her for this! Regards Michael Maybe we have to make an exception concerning the English translation of our bylaws when they need to be completed in due time to become accepted by the board. Unfortunately, we don't have an expert for juridicial English in our rows. I'd love to translate something into English but this text is too much and probably too difficult. Anyhow, I've already worked on the Italian translation. Patrick From: Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org To: Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rhaeto-Romanic (and other) translations Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:15:11 +0100 IMHO the romanic translation could be made if we have a definitive bylaw, approved and voted definitevly by the board. Ilario On 2/3/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An offer for a Rhaeto-Romanic translation (by mail to list-owner) was made by Anita Decurtins-Capaul, a student of romance languages and literature (and else) at University Zurich, to translate the Wikimedia CH bylaws into Rumantsch Grischun. She has already translated an Asterix-comic into Rumantsch Grischun (mentioned as reference). Matters that need to be discussed include salary and time-frame, however I do not think that rumantsch-translation ultimatively needs to be present prior to foundation. Comments on the offer are appreciated. Regards Michael By the way: Is there any update on en-translations (Manuel, were you able to ask your friend?) and french translations (Emanuel?) -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Fwd: Aufklärung: Romanisch übersetzung gegen Bezahlung
Guten Tag Frau Capaul, beleidigt wurde sicher niemand, es ist wohl eher ein Fehler unsererseits, da wir noch keine wirkliche Einführung/Projektbeschreibung auf der Hauptseite von ch.wikimedia.org haben, dies auch, da die Seite momentan vor allem für Diskussion/Koordination gedacht ist und relativ hohe Anforderungen an das Vorwissen betr. Wikimedia ihrer Leser stellt. Es ist tatsächlich so, dass Wikimedia CH für einige Zeit ohne Entgelt funktionieren wird, Ausnahmen wäre höchstens in ferner Zeit ein Sekretariat wenn nötig. Einen festen Job mit regelmässiger Bezahlung können wir also nicht anbieten, vor allem auch, da laut Statuten die Kommunikation innerhalb des Vereins in den Sprachen der Vorstandsmitglieder [erfolgt]. Solange keine rätoromanische Vertretung im Vorstand besteht (und bis jetzt hat noch niemand kandidiert, das kann aber immer noch gemacht werden!) werden wohl auch die meisten Texte aus Zeit/Kostengründen nicht auf rm übersetzt werden (bzw. erst zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt). Es tut mir Leid, dass unser Job wohl nicht ganz Ihren Erwartungen entspricht. Mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Bimmler (ad Thomas: wenn du also immer noch Lust hättest...) -- Forwarded message -- From: Anita Michel Decurtins-Capaul cun Marius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05.02.2006 21:09 Subject: Aufkärung: Romanischübersetzung gegen Bezahlung To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sehr geehrter Herr Michael Bimmler und hallo zusammen es ist Zeit für eine Aufklärung meinerseits: ich habe die Seite von Wikimedia.ch mit der Suche nach Rätoromanisch-Übersetzungen nur schnell überflogen und mich daraufhin beworben, da ich momentan einen Nebenjob suche. Mir ist jetzt klar, dass Wikipedia ohne Entgelt funktioniert. So ziehe ich meine Bewerbung hiermit zurück, da ich einen festen Job mit regelmässigem Lohn will. Ich hoffe sehr, dass ich niemanden irgendwie beleidigt habe und wünsche euch allen viel Spass und Erfolg auf eurem weiteren Weg. Mit lieben Grüssen Anita Decurtins -- An eternity is very, very long, especially towards the end ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] a few points to be raised (Wikipedia Day sponsors, Meyer, OTRS, wikimedia.ch)
On 2/12/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, Thank you for sending the letter. I'm a little bit short of time these days. No problem, I have holidays now... Now I'd like to raise a few points for discussion: I think, we'll probably need a few sponsors, at least for things like leaflets etc. and if we advertise in newspapers and so on. I think there are two types of potential sponsors/donors: 1. Government(-related) organs. This includes Department of Education of Canton Zurich, Präsidialdepartement Stadt Zürich, Eidg. Staatssekretariat für Bildung und Forschung, ETHZ, UNIZH (and students associations) and others 2. companies, that would like to have a possibility to advertise. From ZKB to IBM everything possible. (IBM could e.g. provide IT material) Now the question is: Is it ok for us to ask companies as in 2. as sponsors? If you compare to Linux Day (linuxtag.org), they have sponsors as HP, Intel and IBM and, well, quod licet Iovi etiam licet bovi... Anyway, if we want to have any of these sponsors, we'd need to get in touch with them asap, because internal decision-making can be ***slow*** 2nd point: Has anybody now already invited Prof. Meyer? 3rd point: If we start inviting people, contacting organisations and media, it might be the time, to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] working, some things are not really mailinglist-compatible. So Delphine proposed once, that we could set up a mail adress like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and make a permanent redirect from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to this adress. Thierry, would this be a great thing to enable that? Delphine, same question to you. [Sorry for this lenghthy and chaotic mail) Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia Day news
On 2/23/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody Mr. Meyer is basically willing to join Wikimedia Day. He will give a definitive answer end of next week. Great! Michael, would you again ask if Jimmy Wales could fix his schedule for June 17th? Hm, actually he already wrote in his last email that he would not be able to attend (after we made proposal about fixing his schedule. So I'm not so sure which new arguments we have at the moment that could persuade him. But I might have missed something (away in holidays last week) -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia Day news
Well, I was talking about Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:57:14 -0500 (http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediach-l/2006-February/000283.html) I don't think, that I have written another mail since. But if you think, it's worth asking once more, I'm certainly not against it. However, when he takes the second ICE you mentioned and is 18.15 at HB it might get a bit late (well, we can also expand the event to the evening if we want...) Regards Michael On 2/26/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm, actually he already wrote in his last email that he would not be able to attend (after we made proposal about fixing his schedule. So I'm not so sure which new arguments we have at the moment that could persuade him. But I might have missed something (away in holidays last week) As far as I understand it, we have no reply to your (Michael) mail Re: [Wikimediach-l] Re: Swiss Wikipedia Day 2006 - Invitation It is not absolutely impossible to hold a speech in Göttingen and in Zurich the same day. He could take the ICE in Göttingen at 10:17 and be in GEP 16:15. If we are flexible even the 12:17 train would work. Jimbo could be in GEP by 18:15. Maybe it's worth asking a second time. Regards Robin ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
Question: As we now have the english version of bylaws online, shall we send a formal note to Chapters commitee (chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia DOT org) to request approval of the bylaws? Are there any objections? -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
On 2/26/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes ;) You should send a formal note and ask (informally) to someone in the board to take care about the decision (otherwise it could require time). Hm, I just sent a mail some days ago to Delphine and she told me that ChapCom can now decide on chapters-bylaws without need for a board vote -- I think, Delphine will take care of this request. Angela has subscribed to this ml so in case board would like to make a statement... Well, then I will now send the mail. Regards Michael Ilario Michael Bimmler wrote: Question: As we now have the english version of bylaws online, shall we send a formal note to Chapters commitee (chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia DOT org) to request approval of the bylaws? Are there any objections? -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Wikimedia CH - Bylaws for Review
Hello, I'd like to call your attention to the bylaws of Wikimedia CH, the to-be-established Swiss local chapter. The bylaws have now been translated into English and can be found at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bylaws/En The original german version of the bylaws has been nominated unanimously by us. The bylaws are now ready for review by the ChaptersCommittee and we will be glad to hear your opinion on it. Regards Michael Bimmler for the Wikimedia CH preparation team ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] PRELIMINARY BOARD RESOLUTION 2006/01
Representing the Preliminiary Board of Wikimedia CH (consisting of Nando and me, elected/appointed on the meeting in November, first time in action...) I'd like to notify you of the Resolution 2006/01 (Preliminary Board) (Appointments and IT). It can be read at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board/Resolutions/2006/01 This mailinglist replaces the members assembly as mentioned in the bylaws for the time before the foundation, so you may mention objections here and if necessary, a vote may take place on the resolution. Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Wikipedia-Day, speakers
There was still an ongoing discussion here on this list about whom to invite as speaker. Now as far as I understand, Jimbo won't be available, as he is in Göttingen at that time. Proposal: We could also invite another European board member (Angela or Anthere) and ask them, whether they would want to give a speech. What do you think of that? BTW: Robin: Have you got a definitive answer from Prof. Meyer? -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun
On 3/14/06, Gion Hosang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoi Manuel Es hat noch niemand damit angefangen. Wir sammeln alle Übersetzungen im Wikimedia CH-Wiki, daher bietet es sich für Dich an hier loszulegen: Na dann lege ich los. Ich werde die fertige Übersetzung dann ins Netz stellen. Wunderbar, herzlichen Dank. Die Seite ist jetzt verlinkt. Gruss Gruss Michael Gion ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun - summary for non-german-speakers
Hello, just as a summary for the thread Rumantsch Grischun in German: Gion has mentioned his intention to translate our bylaws into Rumantsch Grischun and he will post them afterwards at [[Bylaws/Rm]]. By the way, is there anybody who would translate the bylaws into French, as Emanuel had to give back the mandate? -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
then, because we might want to correct typing mistakes et al. The other translations are unprotected at the moment. c)The resolutions are quite official documents. As they are now under discussion, I wanted that everybody sees the version we, Nando and I, decided on, to ensure that everybody is speaking about the same thing. d) my vandal paranoia. You will have noticed by now, that I seem to be a bit paranoid what concerns vandal acts. Well, look at http://ch.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=newusersuser=page= There are quite a few new users I simply don't know who's behind and I don't want to doubt them somehow, but you see that new user accounts can be created easily and as we're now linked on several Wikimedia pages, people will also find us, and it's probably not so, that we can say, we can trust everybody from the beginning, who opens a account or has one. Believe me, I've seen a lot of vandal acts in different wikis and it might be, that sombody finds it funny to mess up or discretely change our resolutions a bit... (ad Security Council: I must admit, that I've never read any SC-Resolutions, so I didn't copy their terminology. ) Sysopping policy: When the wiki was created, Delphine sysopped Nando and me, because we were listed as contact persons at meta. As Ilario is now presidency candidate and quite involved, he is now also listed as contact person and he's a sysop. But please understand, imho the 10 people regularly contributing on this ml could all get sysops, I have no problem with that. So to sum up, I would like to stress that we never intended to make any top-down action, we invite everybody here in discussing the necessary resolutions and their form/style of writing etc. but sometimes some bureaucracy is unfortunately necessary (and believe me, as gymnasium-student, you're in an age where you're not really in favour of bureaucracy and formalities etc. so I regret it too, but I'm convinced, that it'll will help us later, if we have everything in a proper legal way). For the ones, who read until here (and I assume, there are not so many) I will conclude my mail by apologizing for misunderstandings our resolutions might have caused and by hoping that you understand my point of view. Regards Michael Bimmler On 3/15/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the latest changes on the CH wiki... is it on purpose that the current resolutions look as formal as a UN Security Council resolution ? RESOLVED... AND... FURTHER RESOLVED... so proposed on the fifteenth of March 2006. I know it is borderline to hairsplitting, but this makes the whole thing look very bureaucratic, especially given that there no formal entity yet... Could we do with friendlier texts, please ? Also, do we really need to protect the pages ? We all know that even if changes are made after a resolution has been accepted, they can be reverted. The reason I am asking this (in addition to the general principle that we should only protect pages if needed) is that there are several typos on the page Board/Resolutions/2006/02 that I was ready to correct. Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
On 3/15/06, Jürg Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry for my recent postings because they were a bit sarcastic a maybe not clearly defaced as zynical. Well, your postings were ok with me... My opinion in this whole thing is: 1) If our preliminary board thinks, we need a special postal address - I'm OK with it because I don't have the whole view. And on the meeting last year we gave you the mandate and the power to operate towards the swiss chapter. And that's what you did. As far as I know, we had not a clear consesus about the Vereinsadresse on this ML and I wondered, why it popped up out of the blue with nearly fixed details. I'm also fine with Zürich, but I couldn't remember a consensus in this question. Okay, I mut have misremembered that with the consensus but as Nando pointed out later, there was a majority for ZH. but we can really rediscuss that. 2) Many thanks to Michael for his very good explanation. You maybe were a bit too impressed by the thing, that it must be lawyer-proof. But remember - it must be lawyer-proof for swiss lawyers and not for US lawyers... ;-) Hm, Jean-Baptiste Soufron is actually a French lawyer, anyway, I had not the time to contact a Swiss lawyer (although knowing quite a few) 3) So for swiss legal reasons a simple protocol should be enough. So you also could use a normal wording such as: snip excellent proposal Yes, that looks fine to me. I will now unlock the second resolution page (I think, we can leave the first one as it is, otherwise we'll never get finished) and we can try to discuss this protocol here in public on the ml. BTW: I remember where I got resolution from: Not from UNSC but from Wikimedia Foundation board, see http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions But as said, that US terminology. I hope that in board meetings of the elected board a similar wording is used and not a US-lawyer wording. Sure. I really join you in thinking, that too much formalism is not good. Jürg Michael -- Zitat von Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now there seems to be a big discussion going on here and I would like to clarify a few points as the resolutions come from me and Nando: ... ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
On 3/16/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: snip the bits about the resolutions which are ok by me 3. About the formal language. I have discussed this matter some days ago in IRC with Jean-Baptiste Soufron, the legal coordinator/advisor of the foundation and he told me, that some formal requirements need to be there (e.g. when mandates are terminated etc.) because of the legal validity. The exact terminology like resolved etc. is mostly a product of the moment and I have no problem with changing this, as long as the proposed alternatives are legally ok. Excellent; I like Jürg's example a lot: as you say, we need the important things to be said, but we can keep a normal style. There is absolutely no worries to have about the legality of this; this is how all the associations I know operate; in CH, even board meetings of companies use this style (although I can not vouch for the very, very big companies...) rather than the UN Security Council style. See my last point, terminology comes from WMF resolutions (partly). And as said, I'm ok with Jürg's proposal. To finish about this part of the discussion, the main reason why I mentioned this problem is because seeing these resolutions would make many people believe that they are dealing with a very bureaucratic board; I would personaly be rather reluctant to join an association that produces such resolutions... Sure. 4. About page protection So therefore I blocked the main page. Fine with me; en.w.o does the same. b) I once thought of blocking en-translation too, because they are now reviewed by ChapCom, so there must be a stable version too. However I didn't protect them then, because we might want to correct typing mistakes et al. Which is a good idea, since I did that just 10 minutes ago... c)The resolutions are quite official documents. As they are now under discussion, I wanted that everybody sees the version we, Nando and I, decided on, to ensure that everybody is speaking about the same thing. (as a sidenote, don't forget that you can point to a particular version of the page). Yep, right. I would not mind if login was only possible after approval, as is done on the wikimedia website; my general idea was that it would be good to adopt the usual good faith attitude towards contributions, and change our minds if needed. Disclaimer: I am an optimist... ;-) And it is not really a big issue; I just thought I'd mention it en passant. Hm, that would be kind of antiwikistyle as well... BTW; I still have this couple of typos to correct on the second resolution ;-) Unprotected second resolution now -- if there any doubts look from now on in the history who made the current version (ad Security Council: I must admit, that I've never read any SC-Resolutions, so I didn't copy their terminology. ) You are quite close, believe me, although they have a very large list of verbs they can pick from to start their sentences ;-) Hm, unfortunately I didn't have access to this list ;-) Sysopping policy: When the wiki was created, Delphine sysopped Nando and me, because we were listed as contact persons at meta. As Ilario is now presidency candidate and quite involved, he is now also listed as contact person and he's a sysop. But please understand, imho the 10 people regularly contributing on this ml could all get sysops, I have no problem with that. I don't think we have much need for (more) sysops at the moment, so that's fine... Ok. So to sum up, I would like to stress that we never intended to make any top-down action, I did not have this feeling, so no problem here -- my comments were really more about the format than the content; which make the whole discussion not such a big deal. we invite everybody here in discussing the necessary resolutions and their form/style of writing etc. but sometimes some bureaucracy is unfortunately necessary (and believe me, as gymnasium-student, you're in an age where you're not really in favour of bureaucracy and formalities etc. so I regret it too, but I'm convinced, that it'll will help us later, if we have everything in a proper legal way). Speaking as someone who has been founding members of several associations (and currently treasurer and secretary in 2 different associations), the amount of red tape can be kept very low. If is good to keep good records of discussions, minutes of meetings, etc, but this can done without too much bureaucratic overhead. I'm happy to help with anything if needed (I also have access to a specialised accountant in my close family...). That's great. Cheers, Regards Michael Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Translation
On 3/17/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jürg Wolf wrote:
* active voting right = right to get a job within the corporation /
association
* passive voting right = right to vote for someone
Even the swiss constitution and the cantonal constitutions make differences
between these two rights.
Interesting... I did not know about these terms. There is nothing like
that in French, at least not litteraly: we say droit de vote (right to
vote) and éligibilité (the fact that someone can be elected).
To follow up on Jürg's links:
http://www.parlament.ch/f/homepage/sv-services-dummy/sv-ww-a-z/sv-ww-v.htm#sv-ww-v-Vote-droit-Anchor
http://www.parlament.ch/f/homepage/sv-services-dummy/sv-ww-a-z/sv-ww-e.htm#sv-ww-e-Eligibilit%E9-Anchor
I'll translate accordingly.
It looks to me like these terms are not that common in English either
(which does not mean that they are incorrect, of course) -- in any case,
the English Wikipedia does not know about them.
By the way, could a sysop add the template {{bylaws}} at the top of the
German bylaws ? It is very convenient when one is switching from one
version to the other while translating (thanks to Delphine 'Notafish'
for creating it).
Done.
Michael
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Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Resolutions and Templated
Oh yes, and the subject of this thread should of course be ... and Templates On 3/18/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: I have created two templates: [[Template:Official_document]] and [[Template:Proposal]] and inserted them in Board/Resolutions/2006/01 and /02 respectively. Feel free to change the templates... -- Regards Michael Bimmler -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Resolutions and Templated
On 3/19/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: FYI: I have created two templates: [[Template:Official_document]] and [[Template:Proposal]] and inserted them in Board/Resolutions/2006/01 and /02 respectively. Feel free to change the templates... Done; since we don't have a CSS with a messagebox style, I have copied the relevant properties from the English Wikipedia. Of course, it would be better to create (or copy) the stylesheet, but it is a start (and still manageable for 2 templates ;-) Thanks. I didn't even re-compare it too the english version at the end... Frederic ___ Michael Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Well, there is a bit of a problem: The ChapCom (or the board, we don't even know this...) is reviewing our bylaws now. We have no idea how long this will take (hint delphine/angela/anthere?) and before the bylaws are approved, we can forget about making a founding assembly. I mean, we can certainly say, that we make the assembly at April XY but if the bylaws are not ready yet then, we can again postpone everything... (BTW: I would certainly be glad with Zurich...) Regards Michael On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). Greets, Patrick ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution and someone can have an answer to his own questions. I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that Swiss law requires, that the association is physically founded and that afterwards a foundation protocol is signed by president + one board member (usually secretary/aktuar). So it won't work to do this virtually on IRC. But if you meant to do the date-and-lieu-fixing on IRC we could certainly do this, however I think, some people here might be not so experienced with IRC: Best Regards Regards Michael Ilario On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). Greets, Patrick ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that Swiss law requires, that the association is physically founded and that afterwards a foundation protocol is signed by president + one board member (usually secretary/aktuar). No, AFAIK. There are very few conditions imposed on associations; most of the conditions are imposed by the bylaws (with a set of defaults if needed). The only condition that would be slightly related is that the bylaws must be on paper, which does not mean anything for the actual meeting. But in any case, not having a physical meeting for the founding assembly would not be a good idea (to say the least). I have googled a bit and found the following sources (not legal sources, but at least...) however they are all in german: http://vereinsfuehrung.fvrz.ch/de/3/Gruend_1161.asp http://www.bl.ch/docs/jpd/handreg/infos/vereine/gruendung_weg.htm http://www.swissbudo-portal.ch/wDeutsch/recht/vereinsrecht/vereinsgruendung.shtml The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, ... was founded IN (- a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to be signed by the protocollist. As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad central: Wouldn't Lucerne be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two cities, so question is how to organise it...) Frédéric MIchael ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second reply :) Ah, I see. I means that if someone has some question or we (mailing list) wish we had preliminary meeting to have report status, we can made this through IRC channel. This is a means used also by other groups like developers (for board's meeting I know that the physical presence is a must). Hm, I don't think, that for BOARD meetings, physical presence is necessary (afaik WMF board and WmDE Board both have IRC meetings and physical meetings are quite extraordinary), but I think that it is necessary for FOUNDING ASSEMBLY, see other post Best Regards Regards Michael Ilario On 3/21/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution and someone can have an answer to his own questions. I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that Swiss law requires, that the association is physically founded and that afterwards a foundation protocol is signed by president + one board member (usually secretary/aktuar). So it won't work to do this virtually on IRC. But if you meant to do the date-and-lieu-fixing on IRC we could certainly do this, however I think, some people here might be not so experienced with IRC: Best Regards Regards Michael Ilario On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). Greets, Patrick ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, ... was founded IN (- a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to be signed by the protocollist. Fair enough; even if the physical meeting is not prescribed by the law, I doubt that many people would have used this option anyway. As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad central: Wouldn't Lucerne be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two cities, so question is how to organise it...) Geographically, probably (if I remember well, the exact center of Switzerland is somewhere in Nidwald :-), but I was reasonning in terms of train connections: there are direct trains to Bern from most big cities, definitively not to Luzern (those bloody Alps...) Um, yes, Ilario will have to cross this bloody alps anyway, whether we'll go to Berne or Luzern... But I don't care about where to go myself, from ZH you're quite fast everywhere. Cheers, Michael Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/22/06, Angela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/22/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there is a bit of a problem: The ChapCom (or the board, we don't even know this...) is reviewing our bylaws now. We have no idea how long this will take (hint delphine/angela/anthere?) This isn't currently with the Board, so I'm assuming the chapters committee, along with legal support, are looking at them. What I'd expect to happen is for them to present a report and recommendation to the Foundation Board who would then simply vote whether or not to approve the chapter. Okay, thanks for this update! Regards Michael Angela. -- Angela Beesley ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Votes/Seat - ...and the winner is...
On 3/24/06, Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to make things clear... the _seat_ of Wikimedia CH is _not_ Zürich; it is where the President lives, according to the bylaws (§1.2) --- the vote was only about the postal address. ok, you're right. Yes, I think as well, this should be clarified like that. Manuel Michael -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.all-things-open.org/ --- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] about Wikipedia Day - a proposal
Hello, as our Wikipedia Day will be in less than 3 months and as the foundation of Wikimedia CH might be a bit delayed still (ChapCom + board - it might still pass some time until a definitive vote), I think we should definitely start the planning now. However I think, that we cannot do all the planning only on this mailinglist. Why? 1. Not everybody who might be interested in Wikipedia Day is also interested in Wikimedia CH and not everybody here on this ml is interested in organizing the Wikipedia Day. 2. If we start thinking about sponsors, public archiving of that is maybe not so good: Imagine the following think (okay, you really have to imagine...): Somebody proposes on this list Let's ask Company XY to sponsor the day [because I know somebody there/ because they have sponsored similar events etc.]. Now somebody posts a reply No, please not company XY, they are bad/they have done this and this which was bad/there CEO is a nasty guy etc.. Now if they find this in the archive (and as we saw in two cases, people [and probably also companies] do google for themselves and find them here), we can forget them as partners. Or a more realistic scenario: They simply won't like negotiations being archived in public. 3. We don't have a lot of time. If every tiny bit and decision will first be discussed here for weeks, we will not come through until next year... Therefore my proposal: We could create some teams [which could later be task groups = Arbeitsgruppen of Wikimedia CH] that deal with particular things and have a few members (say, 5 or so) and work via private email (you can send a mail to 5 people...). When they have reached a decision/solved a problem, they can still report to mailinglist at the end. Proposed teams: (just jotted down, feel free to add and change): ==Core team== (or: coordination team/lead team/whatever) This would be the kind of organizing committee as known. They have the overview over the whole situation, are the ones who'd also finally sign contracts if necessary with partners, look that the budget is not exceeded, and so on. ==PR and Media team== quite an important team: a) contact to Media, sending invitations to press etc., making press releases, etc. b) organising the advertising for the Wikipedia Day (in on-and offline agendas, newspapers, maybe create flyers and leaflets etc. c) looking for some kind of Internet site, if possible and time is there, either we start with www.wikimedia.ch already or we'd use www.wikipediaday.ch or whatever. ==Technical team== they do the technical stuff: If we have an internet website/a section on wikimedia.ch, they do the technical bits around it, i.e. put the things, PR and Media team wrote on the internet etc. further, they look, that everything is fine technically at the day itself, so they have to make sure, that beamers and pcs at ETH are working and they would help with the technical stuff at the event itself ==Location team== They are responsible for the location itself (connections to technical team), i.e. they decide whether we should have food/catering/snaks there, they look, that something to drink is available, they make sure, that we have really an information desk then, that we have a place, where speakers could prepare themselves, they look that the chairs etc. are organised nicely and so on ==Partners team== We have not really discussed this yet, but I think, we might still consider finding some sponsors (could be IT companies, but also, if you like better, governmental support or other foundations/associations/Stiftungen that would support us.) Because remember, if we want to have some nice flyers/leaflets and so on, and if we want catering, we might reach a point, where we'd quite like some money... BTW: I recently read at Chapters FAQ on Metawiki that Wikimedia Foundation on request also sometimes provides chapters with some start-up budget, so they could also look at this with Delphine etc. And, if we decide to go to a company and ask for money, this team would do the negotiations. ==Maybe Budget team== If we really get a lot of money (hm...), there might be a need for a finance and budget team. But that's not so sure yet.. I've also thrown this proposal at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Wikipedia_Day_2006/Teams Now, please comment. You can deny the need for every team listed above, but I think you can't deny, that we need to get active now somehow, and that we cannot sit here until in some weeks or months Wikimedia CH will be formally created, because remember, even if we have final placet of Board, we still need to find a date for a liitle formal founding assembly etc., that will take time! Michael -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Wikipedia Day - a proposal
On 3/28/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, this decision is a very good decision. It's important to have a group and sub-groups who take responsability upon some problems and becomes owner of this problem (if the time is short it's the best solution), but in any case the mailing list should have feedbacks frequently to create the environment and the waiting time. It's important to have a community, a group and not only a name and it's important that someone can have a part (also a small part) in this organization. It's clear that at start the groups are smaller, but when some owners has taken decision and the organization becomes more and more definite, they can require some help and some volunteers. It's normal to have an official communication (through ML) and an unofficial communication (through private mail), but it's also important (a lot) to share informations and knowledges. Absolutely. I very much join you in saying that the wiki-like transparency needs to be one of the most important policies of Wikimedia CH. I intended to say, that these proposed teams should give as much as possible updates to the ML, but rather in the style of We, the Media Committee have designed and texted this flyer, please comment on it, and rather not that everybody comments on every tiny bit himself here. Greetings Regards Michael Ilario^_^ On 3/27/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, as our Wikipedia Day will be in less than 3 months and as the foundation of Wikimedia CH might be a bit delayed still (ChapCom + board - it might still pass some time until a definitive vote), I think we should definitely start the planning now. However I think, that we cannot do all the planning only on this mailinglist. Why? Michael -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Postal Adress created
Ah yes, and what I wanted to say: Please do not put the adress on the contact-pages until I have received confirmation of the post (together with the first 20-francs-per-year-bill) that the adress is up and running. Then, we can also use the adress for Switch Registry (Manuel?)¨ Michael On 3/31/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'd like to notify you that I have created the Feste Vereinsadresse today 1 hour ago (Friday, 11.00) at a small post office in Zurich. There is one little problem: He told me that we cannot have 8000 Zürich, as 8000 is not an official post code, but only used as placeholder for all other Zurich post codes (e.g. if you don't know the post code of the area/quartier of you friend, you can write 8000). He could also not give me 8001 (for reasons I didn't really understand, the post office was in the 8001-area), so we agreed on 8008 as third-best solution (at least symmetric). He had to send the form now to the centrale in Berne, it will take about 1 week to be processed. The whole business was by the way quite funny: I went into the post office (Rämistrasse, quite small, but next to my school), and first talked to an elderly employee who had no idea, that this service existed. So she called her boss, a quite young, dynamic guy, very friendly, but didn't want to believe in the existence of Freie Vereinsadresse either. So we used his computer to go to the post-homepage and find the leaflet about the Vereinsadresse and he admitted that he had never heard of this before (and that it must be an extremely new feature). Then he went into his office and started looking for the form that was needed. He then came back with a 2-pages, small-print form and we spent nice 20 minutes filling out this form. (We both laughed about it's bureaucracy and both wondered, why a couple of the fields were there. Then he remarked that he needed a copy of the resolution (I printed it already out at home) and, as the Post-customer service had not told me, a copy of the bylaws. So we again went into internet and he printed out the bylaws full-length. Then the only remaining were about 3 signatures + my ID card, + his signature + the postal stamp and we were finally finished. So he clipped everything together and now it must be on its way to Berne... (However when I look at the lot of fine-print legal stuff on the sheet, I would not wonder, if we have forgotten one little information, but we both did our best... -- Regards Michael Bimmler -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Wikimediafr-l] Travailler avec les autres chapters (was: Demande des statistique s de Médiamétrie)
On 3/31/06, Delphine Ménard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/31/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Je conçois difficilement pourquoi la représentation aux Linux Days à Genève devrait se faire par le biais de Wikimédia France. As-tu contacté les Suisses pour ce faire ? Wikimedia CH est en cours de création et la Suissse dispose d'une communauté quadrilingue particulièrement active. Quadrilingue, oui, mais à ma connaissance, je suis pour l'instant le seul francophone qui suive de près ce qui se passe à l'intérieur de Wikimedia CH... J'aurais été très intéressé à participer aux Linux Days pour parler de Wikipedia, mais je serai à l'étranger ce jour-là. François, si tu veux en parler dans la liste Wikimedia CH, c'est une bonne idée, mais vu que je ne sais pas si on trouvera beaucoup de volontaires locaux pour l'instant, n'hésite pas si tu veux faire cette présentation. La seule chose qui me chagrinait, ce n'était pas que ce soit François qui ai pris l'initiative, et bien sûr il devrait le faire s'il le souhaite. Mais je ne vois pas pourquoi cette initiative devrait être prise au nom de Wikimedia France. Même sans chapter encore installé en Suisse, il me semble logique que cette initiative soit soutenue par les suisses plutôt que par les français. Ben, au moment nous nous concentrons à l'organisation du Wikipedia Day à Zurich et je ne suis pas sûr si nous serions capables d'agir comme Wikimedia CH à un autre event. Mais nous pourrions certainement supporter/patroner etc. quelque chose, si quelqu'un prend l'initiative. (Si vous voulez vraiment discusser ça avec les gens de Wikimedia CH, ça serait peut-être mieux de le faire par WikimediaCH-l car je suis assez sûr qu'il n y a pas beaucoup de Suisses (allemands et romands) qui lisent ici. Delphine -- Michael ~notafish ___ Wikimediafr-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediafr-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Wikipedia Day - an answer
On 4/11/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm willing to work in the PR+ media team. Who else is? I'm a little concerned that we're running out of time. This is true. I appreciate your engagement very much. We must fix the precise content of our Wikipedia day to print flyers and Plakate. A friend of mine could create a flyer and print them if we need special paper and/or colours. Else www.flyerline.ch offers quite cheap flyers. That's nice! I would suggest to try to distribute flyers in swiss Kantonsschulen/Gymnasien , universities, both ETHs and Fachhochschulen/höhere Fachschulen. Yes, this is a good idea. At least from the gymnasium I'm attending I can say that nearly everybody knows and likes Wikipedia (e.g. for presentations it's highly popular) and there would be certainly people coming. I think, we could also give some flyers to bookshops, student shops (particularly the famous Stula in Zurich) etc. Besides something like a Pressemappe would engage press people to write about us. Yes, definitely. More ideas appreciated... Regards Michael Robin ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] about Wikipedia Day - an answer
On 4/11/06, Jürg Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Es fällt mir zu schwer, in Englisch zu kommunizieren. Ich verfolge das Geschehen und ich möchte gerne meinen Teil an die Organisation beitragen. Dort, wo keine englische Sprache verlangt wird, kann man mich einsetzen, sei es zum Schreiben und Gestalten von deutschen Zetteln, sei es beim Organisieren usw. Danke! Um es hier noch einmal zu verdeutlichen: Wir können wirklich JEDE Hilfe gebrauchen, insbesondere eben auch von Leuten, die nicht fliessend Englisch sprechen. Gruss Michael Gruss. Jürg PS: Ich bin über Ostern und vom 22.4. bis 1.5. nicht erreichbar. ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l - Jürg Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
On 4/14/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jürg Studer wrote: The minutes are to be made available to the Association members not more than two months after a decision has been made, otherwise the committee constitutes itself. I understand the general idea, but my dictionaries do not know any meaning of the work constitute that would fit this sentence (neither does the website http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=constitute). maybe this helps: constituer Hum... no, it does not really help... Looking at the German text, it may also be the word otherwise that confuses me: I don't really see how the two parts of the sentence are related. Are we saying that the comitee must provide the minutes, but that otherwise, it is free to get organised as it wants ? It's definitely mixed up: First sentence = Committee (hey, by the way, why are we always using the term commitee instead of board?) must send its minutes to its members at the latest 2 months after. (Full stop). Then there comes another sentence, meaning The Committee does organise it self, i.e. on the first associations, roles will be distributed (president is voted separatly by member's association, but roles like treasurer, secretary, vice-president, PR etc. are chosen by the board/committee itself). This doesn't have anything to do with the last sentence, I don't even see why it's in this clause/part of the paragraph, the german Im übrigen which was translated into Otherwise, was somehow intended to indicate This last sentence has not so much to do with the other sentences here but the otherwise does not show this anymore. My proposal: move the otherwise the committee constitutes itself (german: Im übrigen etc.) away from §10.3 to §10.1 (The committee consists of a president and 4 – 6 further members), there it fits much better. Regards Michael PS: I hope we have not any more strange things in the bylaws, we may have to make a final proofreading session at the founding assembly, because when we have once voted the bylaws, we cannot just fix these things quickly but have to call together the members assembly each time... Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
On 4/14/06, Delphine Ménard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/06, rupert thurner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i fully agree, i would even give it to some native english speaker after the strangenesses are sorted out. i would also agree to change it to board instead of comittee, btw :) Well, the English translation is really there for us to lok at. And I speak the three languages, and I am totally unable to understand fully the German sentence (and hence its English translation) to help Frédéric with the French. Someone did a funky copy/paste from the German bylaws there ;-). /me pleads for non-guilty but accountable (as nobody here really checked what has been copied in the very early phase of Bylawswriting) Delphine ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bylaws
On 4/15/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: Thanks to everyone for providing explanations... I must admit of being quite surprised about some of the content of the English translations; I am not a specialist of English vocabulary about legal matters, but some sentences indeed look strange. PS: I hope we have not any more strange things in the bylaws, we may have to make a final proofreading session at the founding assembly, Please, please, pretty please, don't do that. The last time I was involved in the founding assembly for an Association (also involved with the free software/free content world), we did that, even though the proposed bylaws had been thoroughly discussed by email beforehand. We spent _hours_ going over every single word of each article, because people suddenly got interested in little details they had not noticed before, it was a _nightmare_. And this was purely a French-speaking association, not a national-level association with translations in 5 languages of the bylaws... we should really make sure everything is correct _before_ we start organising the founding Assembly (and if we modify the bylaws, we have to ask the Wikimedia Foundation for approval again). But we shall do more rounds of proofreading before the assembly, for sure. Okay, this is actually what I wanted to say. Don't even know anymore why I said during founding assembly, I wanted to say before founding assembly. Sorry... because when we have once voted the bylaws, we cannot just fix these things quickly but have to call together the members assembly each time... What happenend for the association mentioned above was that during the first 3 years, at each regular annual general meeting, we made some changes to the bylaws, to adapt them to the practical experiences we made during the year; now, they are quite stabe and well-adapted to the real life. This is to be expected, and should not be a problem. Sure, but we should make them as good as possible... Frederic Michael Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wikimedia CH approved by Wikimedia Foundation board
On 4/15/06, Arne Klempert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/15/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks very very much for your reviewing and your statement. We really appreciate this! We'll now probably be able to advance with the foundation very quickly. BTW: There is still an issue called Trademark Agreement pending... IANAL, but I thought we couldn't use the word Wikimedia and our nice logo before we have signed this contract. So signing this contract would actually need to happen immediately after the formal establishment and after the election of the board (someone has to sign it...). So my question: Is this agreement already ready or could you tell us when it will be ready so that we know whether we have to postpone foundation until this contract is signable? I think we're not in a hurry here. Due to the fact that (afaik) only two chapters have written logo/trademark agreements yet and there is no standard agreement in place, you shouldn't be too afraid of using the name and the logo for your own purposes. The board approval of the bylaws implies (at least morally) the right to act under the name Wikimedia CH and use the logo, according to the visual identity guidelines [1]. Well, if you promise, that you won't sue us, we're fine with that ;-) Michael Cheers, Arne [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Bylaws approved - Roadmap, Board
Hello, as our bylaws are now approved officially (notwithstanding the minor (translation/language) changes that might be still needed), we might do some roadmap planning now. IMHO we should now schedule the Founding Assembly quite soon (keyword Wikipedia Day) and on a date that is working fine for a lot of people. E.g. are now (=the next 2 weeks, starting at Easter Monday) in Zurich the school holidays, the question is whether this means A lot of people are here or A lot of people are not here, otherwise we would need to do it later on probably on a weekend (I don't suppose anybody has time on Thursday, 10pm...). Please make time indicatios at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Founding_Assembly (yes, the page is not yet created, feel free to write some nice introduction if you want to). What is concerning the board (and I strongly propose to use the term board instead of committee, as you see at WMF, they use board for the real leading panel and committee for various small groups consisting of board and non-board members.): Bylaws say clearly 1 President and 4-6 additional members. Situation is at the moment the following: Nominated as president is Ilario, Robin Schwab has denied his nomination. -- This is probably clear As board, we have at the moment 7 people nominated (see below), the eighth person at the list (Nando) has stroke his nomination due to lack of time (and I'm really sorry for this...). To be frank: This leaves us with one board member too much. The nominated persons: Jürg Wolf Jürg Studer Michael Bimmler Christian Seidl Muvon 53 (Emmanuel Clapasson) Robin Schwab Frédéric Schutz As auditors (should be 2, cannot be board members): Pakeha Nando Frédéric As Nando has accepted his auditors nomination but does not want to be on the board, I think he should be elected auditor anyway. As Pakeha has accepted his auditor nomination but is not listed for board membership, I as well think that his nomination should be confirmed, which leaves us with Frédéric as board member (if he is okay with that) and I would personally appreciate this (for him being a really valuable helper in preparation now AND for him being the representative of Romandie in our team, which would lead to a 3-cultures-board). So still, there are 7 accepted nominations for 6 board places. Now I'd like to ask, if there is anybody who wants to retire his candidature for any reason he should say so now. This would take away the need for a formal election with 6 winners and 1 loser. I also want to stress that also non-board-people can help in various ways in Wikimedia CH (e.g. as non-board-member of committees etc.). Regards Michael -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/About_us -- for guests
As I've remarked, for a stranger, it might be quite unsatisfying when visiting www.wikimedia.ch (=ch.wikimedia.org) at the moment. I started to scribble down a few sentences About us (see Subject of mail). I know that it's still absolutely unreadable, please help to amend it, so that we can link it from the main page. Afterwards, as soon as we have the adress (yes, I've inquired what's happened to the apply the post, no they haven't reacted yet) and the domain wikimedia.ch, we will (try to) create a fully-for-public-website there and we'll have a members.wikimedia.ch (and a board.wikimedia.ch) section for internal affairs and discussions. So I'll repeat my plea, please help (and translate...) -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Adress should work now
Hello, I received a phone call and a subsequent email of the Post employee which assisted me in filling out the form, saying that the adress is set up now but that I won't receive a formal confirmation and that the Fr. 20.- are to be paid at the end of the year. So, if anybody wants to test, just send a postcard/letter etc. to Wikimedia CH, 8008 Zürich (and please, please, don't spam my post box now...) -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] marketing via emails and homepage
On 5/1/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do you think about including the apropriate wiki page (if it exists) in mails to the list? this would allow an easy click to get the current status and help beeing more transparent. fack. We should start promoting our website as I suggest we put this address on the posters and flyers to look up detailed info as exact location, schedule of the speeches etc. Which address should we promote? ch.wikimedia.org or wikimedia.ch? Here we need quick decision! I think the decision has already been made: We will use www.wikimedia.ch for the public/press members.wikimedia.ch as a members-only-wiki board.wikimedia.ch as a board-only-wiki We should asap remove all content from ch.wikimedia.org and meta.wikimedia.org (and replace it with links to the new adress), to ensure that no Wikimedia CH material lies on foundation servers (liability etc.). (Of course, there can be entries in [[meta:Wikimedia chapters]] etc.) At the moment wikimedia.ch is a permanent redirect to ch.wikimedia.org, so it's okay to promote this adress. It would be glad if somebody could remove the Wikimedia Swizerland instead of Wikimedia CH in the from-field of the mails being posted here. (-Michael?) I will (I thought I had already but I see that I forgot) On the ch.wikimedia.org-page there are some navigation problems: *Wikimedia-Portal refers to the dead meta-page As a matter of time, I only changed it to A general overview will be provided here soon., please amend it! *aktuelle Ereignisse could be better translated to Veranstaltungen and also refer to events in the past. I'll try to change this. *zufälliger Artikel doesn't really make sense in this wiki. Hm, I don't think this can be disabled. But I'll look into it. *Spenden should link to a page of our own saying that donations to Wikimedia CH are not possible right now. People should wait another two weeks or support Wikimedia Foundation which can be found at ... Okay. I'll change it. *Let's list the contact page and bylaws in the navigation bar Not sure whether it's possible, will look. Is there a setting that German is the default language in the Navigation bar and so on? Users could still opt in for other languages. In the target group of de.wikipedia.org users (readers only) many will not have a sophisticated level of English. Hm, you can adjust the language in your [[Special:Preferences]], but yes, we should get multilingual. Start translating... If we promote Wikimedia day via website at least the main page and the Wikipedia Day description page should be available for non English speaking users. How do we do this? I suggest a Hauptseite and Veranstaltungen/Wikipedia-Tag 2006 Ok. Last but not least we should introduce our website in as many Homepages as possible to increase Pagerank (we don't have any yet!) Well, start distributing the link... a very efficient means of markteting would also be to include a maximum of four lines with currently important information we would like that other people should be informed of. what do you think? If we do this let's remove Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org at the bottom of the emails. It appears already in the sender field. Okay, I'll do. what is the address of the gep building, so we could put a link to gis.zh, or switzerland door to door behind it on our wiki (http://www.gis.zh.ch/zvv/default.asp?fromLocationId=0toLocationId=0new_selection=usr=www.zvv.chmvu=zvvframes=yesstart_search=yesstart=1protocol=http%3Alg=dmylanguage=dservername=fahrplan.zvv.chfromIsZSG=notoIsZSG=noAZ=AS=queryPageDisplayed=yesgis1=HaltestelleREQ0JourneyStopsS0A=1from.0=REQ0JourneyStopsS0ID=gis2=AdresseREQ0JourneyStopsZ0A=1to.0=REQ0JourneyStopsZ0ID=REQ0JourneyStops1A=1REQ0JourneyStops1G=date=So%2C+30.04.06wDayExt0=Mo%7CDi%7CMi%7CDo%7CFr%7CSa%7CSotime=15%3A10REQ0HafasSearchForw=1)? Leonhardstrasse 34, but please do not promote this address, because it's not known under this address. Regards Regards Michael Robin ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Footer test
testing the footer -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] marketing via emails and homepage
On 5/1/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: It could be get writing the article Wikimedia CH in more as possible wikipedias (like http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH). I once created a Wikimedia CH article in de: but it was deleted with the explanation that we'll only get an article when the chapter exists. Such an article would probably be deleted in en: as being non-notable -- even if the association exists, the fact that is it associated with Wiki[pedia|media] will probably not carry much weight compared to the fact that it is a small, local, association with a handful of members. Wm DE has an article on en:, the other chapters not. Frédéric ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] marketing via emails and homepage
On 5/1/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/1/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: It could be get writing the article Wikimedia CH in more as possible wikipedias (like http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH). I once created a Wikimedia CH article in de: but it was deleted with the explanation that we'll only get an article when the chapter exists. Such an article would probably be deleted in en: as being non-notable -- even if the association exists, the fact that is it associated with Wiki[pedia|media] will probably not carry much weight compared to the fact that it is a small, local, association with a handful of members. Wm DE has an article on en:, the other chapters not. Oh, and it's a redirect to German Wikipedia. So no chapters have an article at en... Frédéric ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] wikimedia ch first page - link to wikipedia day
On 5/3/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/3/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rupert thurner wrote: what do you think about turning the perspective from us to the customer, i.e. Since I won't have time to do anything more right now, I have unprotected the page (it should be semi-protected, barring any error on my side) so that you can go ahead and make the changes. um, all pages on ch.wikimedia.org are semiprotected inasmuch as you have to be logged in to view any page... By the way, there is a spurious bullet in the left navigation menu, just under Recent changes; anything knows how to get rid of it ? Uh... I think I know where this comes from... A few not so successful attempts to alter the navbar by changing MediaWiki messages. In the english view it is okay again, I think I forgot to undo it in De-View. I'll try to remove it. Mhm, I think it was already away when I wrote this mail. Does anybody still see it? Michael Michael Cheers, Frederic ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] wikimedia ch first page - link to wikipedia day
On 5/3/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: um, all pages on ch.wikimedia.org are semiprotected inasmuch as you have to be logged in to view any page... Semi-protection is more than this: an account must be old enough (don't remember the specifics, it is probably wiki-configurable) before you are allowed to modify a page that is semi-protected. This means that a vandal can not create an account and use it immediately to deface a face -- very handy, but we can re-protect the main page if needed when all the changes have been done. I know. I simplified it too much. Well, anyway, the site is semiprotected now, and so everything is fine. (BTW: As we are not Wikipedia and we need not follow any formalistic procedures, if we discover that somebody has registered an account and afterwards vandalised with it, we can block it infinitely at once and ask him to contact us by mail if he has a good reason why he should be unblocked. Point final.) By the way, the bullet is still there in my view (I can get a screenshot if it helps)... Uh. Damned. I didn't see it anymore. Anyway I'll have a look at it. Michael Frederic ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] About navigation bar
Hm, I switched now through several languages and skins, but was not able to see the famous spot/whatever that was mentioned. Could somebody who still has this problem quickly state which language and which skin he is using? Thanks -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Press coverage
Listed by Nando at ch.wikimedia.org: http://www.pctipp.ch/webnews/wn/33192.asp (German) -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Press coverage
On 5/9/06, Arne Klempert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listed by Nando at ch.wikimedia.org: http://www.pctipp.ch/webnews/wn/33192.asp (German) Oha, schon in der ersten Presseberichterstattung ein dicker Klopper: Aufgabe von Wikimedia CH ist es, «eine lokale Stelle zu bilden, welche die freie Enzyklopädie Wikipedia verwaltet und betreibt.» Genau das ist mir auch aufgefallen (Nando: siehe meine andere Mail). Ich bin ganz sicher, dass das nirgends steht (auch der Titel missfällt mir), auf ChapCom's und Brad's Wunsch haben wir ja sogar das Local Chapter aus den Statuten rausgenommen (jetzt heisst es nur noch so was wie teilt die Ziele der Wikimedia Foundation. Ergo klar durch den Journalisten ausgedacht. Schade, aber wenigstens kann so ein Artikel ja nicht als Beweis für einen (Haftungs-)Fall benutzt werden... Michael Ist das Zitat ausgedacht oder steht das tatsächlich irgendwo? Viele Grüße Arne ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Main page
As e.g. the german Wikipedia does it, I have now but the whole nice frame at the Top of the Main page in a template, http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page_Top This template is unprotected (except the non-logged-in users can't edit anything), so everybody can change it if needed. The main page itself is now sysops-only again. If anybody is against this or has a change for the non-templated part of the page, please speak up! -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Flyer sind da
Herzlichen Dank für's taking care of Flyers und Plakate. On 6/1/06, Robin Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoi zäme Die Flyer für den Wikipedia-Tag auf Deutsch sind da und können bei mir bestellt werden. Die Gründungsmitglieder erhalten ungefragt :-) Gruss Robin ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] polyglot auf wikimedia.ch
Thanks a lot! Now everybody is invited to rewrite the texts (not only posts but also pages) in the 4 languages. Some pages exist only in english, some only in german, and some are a mixture... If you have time but no account, say so here, you'll get one quicker than you think... Michael On 6/7/06, thurner rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i activated polyglot on wikimedia.ch, which takes the browser language for showing the text. default language is english. enter multilingual posts like: [lang_en]this is english title[/lang_en][lang_de]deutscher titel[/lang_de] [lang_en] this is the english text ... [/lang_en] [lang_de] this is the english text ... [/lang_de] if you do not use the tags, the entry is valid for all languages, like up to now. if a language version is missing, it is configured to show the english version. and somehow i did not yet manage to get als, rm ... kommt zeit kommt rat ... if it should be configured differently pls tell. rupert. -- http://wikimedia.ch - 2006-06-17 zuerst wikipedia day, dann http://caliente.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Translation needed for PM
Hello, we need translations into en, fr and it for http://members.wikimedia.ch/Wikipedia_Day_2006/Press_Release Please help to do this as quickly as possible, it is not so much Thanks a lot! -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Statistics...
For what it's worth: There are now mailinglist statistics: Look at http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Wikimediach-l.html for this list... I am, um, going to reduce my mail output a bit ;) No, seriously, a lot of things can now be dealt via the board-email-distributer and the wikipedia-day-organisation-email-distributer, so this list will get again less active.. -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] sqlledger for accounting
You know how to use it? On 6/18/06, thurner rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, what do you think of using http://sql-ledger.org/ for accounting? rupert. ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Bericht im TagesAnzeiger
Ja, dieser Bericht hat mir heute morgen das Aufstehen versüsst... Er hat sogar unsere Vereinshomepage angegeben... Michael On 6/26/06, Jürg Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Im TagesAnzeiger von heute Montag, 26.6.2006, Seite 45 (Rubrik DIGITAL) ist ein längerer Bericht über den Wikipedia-Tag mit dem Schwerpunkt Betrand Meyer von Christian Bütikofer. Gruss Jürg Studer - Jürg Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] tax exemption
On 7/8/06, thurner rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, does already somebody take care of the tax exemption request? No sir. rupi http://wikimedia.ch - once a month an update on achievements of swiss wikipedia users ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Fwd: [VereinDE-l] Neuausgabe von Wikis und Blogs - Planen, Einrichten, Verwalten
FYI Michael -- Forwarded message -- From: Christoph Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 7, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [VereinDE-l] Neuausgabe von Wikis und Blogs - Planen, Einrichten, Verwalten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liebe Wikimedianer, soeben ist das von mir herausgegebene Buch Wikis und Blogs - Planen, Einrichten, Verwalten als komplett überarbeitete, aktualisierte und erweiterte Neuausgabe erschienen; siehe http://www.cul.de/wikiblog.html. Neue Themen sind: * Blogs: Anwendung, Software und Blick in die Blogosphäre * Wiki im Unternehmen * TWiki und JSPWiki * Mehr Wiki-Communities ** Geschichte der Wikipedia, kritisch betrachtet: ergänzt und fortgeschrieben ** mehr zu Stadtwikis (von Hauke Löffler, Betreiber des Karlsruher Stadtwikis) ** Wikimedia-Zensur in China und Baidu Baike * Mehr Wiki-Hosting * Zukunft der Wikis: Semantische Wikis und neue Benutzerschnittstellen (WYSIWYG, OpenRecord), von den Entwicklern von Semantic MediaWiki Wer eine Rezension schreiben möchte, kann bei mir ein Exemplar beantragen :-) Viele Grüße, Christoph ___ VereinDE-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/vereinde-l ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] [Fwd: [allmend-newsletter] Netlabelfestival / FAQ / Mitgliederversammlung]
You might be interested... Michael -- Michael Bimmler Secretary and Member of the Board Sekretär und Vorstandsmitglied Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikimedia.ch ---BeginMessage--- Digitale Allmend Newsletter #8/06 Inhalt: 1. Netlabelfestival - Fr/Sa 17/18.11.06, Rote Fabrik, Zürich 2. FAQ: SUISA und Creative Commons 3. dorkbotswiss - Do 16.11.06, plug.in Basel 4. Mitgliederversammlung - Mi 22.11.06, dock18, Zürich 5. Nodus - Treff für Netzpolitik 6. upgrading humans - Kevin Warrick Talk - Mi 22.11.06 HGK Zürich In den nächsten Wochen finden einige interessante Veranstaltungen statt. Wir möchten euch darauf gerne aufmerksam machen. Mit freundlichem Gruss Digitale Allmend PS: Der Newsletter kann gerne weitergeleitet werden. Neue InteressentInnen können sich einschreiben unter http://www.allmend.ch/newsletter 1. Netlabel Festival - 17/18.11.06, Rote Fabrik Zürich Am 17./18. November findet das erste Netlabelfestival in Zürich statt. Ziel der Netlabels ist es, freie Musik über das Internet anzubieten, zu distribuieren und Plattformen zu entwickeln, die abseits der herkömmlichen Distributionskanäle funktionieren. Teilnehmen werden internationale und lokale Musiker, Künstler und Journalisten. Das Festivalprogramm setzt sich zusammen aus: 1) Konzerte zeitgenössischer elektronischer Musik 2) Panel Netlabel Short Cuts zur Distribution von Musik im Internet 3) Ausstellung Docking Stations 4) Audiobrunch Veranstaltungsort: Rote Fabrik, Zürich Web: http://netlabelfestival.ch Zeit: Freitag/Samstag 17./18.11.06 Eintritt: 15.- / 25.- (Festivalpass) Organisation: Atelier anorg Partner: Verein Digitale Allmend, Wildprovider, Dock18, Rote Fabrik, Rothaus, u.a. 2. FAQ: Suisa und Creative Commons Die Digitale Allmend wird immer wieder angefragt, wie es den mit der gleichzeitigen Nutzung von Creative Commons Lizenzen und der SUISA steht. Deshalb haben wir die wichtigsten Fragen formuliert und an die SUISA geschickt. Die SUISA hat uns die Fragen freundlicherweise beantwortet. Es lohnt sich reinzuschauen! Unsere Fragen und die SUISA Antworten findet ihr im Blog: http://blog.allmend.ch/2006/10/23/faq-suisa-und-creative-commons-2/ 3. dorkbotswiss Basel - 16.11.06, plug.in Basel Nach dem Spass, den wir bei dorkbotswiss in Zürich hatten, werden wir auch in Basel wieder präsentieren. Neben Digitaler Allmend präsentieren auch hans tammen (nyc) und luc gross (bs) Datum: Donnerstag, 16.11.06 Ort: Plugin Basel, http://www.weallplugin.org Zeit: 20:00 Eintritt: frei Weitere Infos: http://dorkbotswiss.org 4. Mitgliedersitzung - 22.11.06, Dock18, Zürich Die Mitglieder und aktive Interessierte der Digitalen Allmend treffen sich am 22.nov. um über die zukünftigen Aktivitäten der Digitalen Allmend zu sprechen. Interessierte sind auch willkommen. Free Drinks. Datum: Mittwoch, 22.11.2006 Ort: Dock18, http://www.dock18.ch Zeit: 19:00 5. Nodus - Treff für Netzpolitik zum Thema Urheberrecht Am Nodus - Treff für Netzpolitik haben sich Interessierte aus verschiedenen Vereinen getroffen, um über die Urheberrechtsrevision zu sprechen. Sie haben beschlossen sich regelmässig zu Treffen und weitere gemeinsame Aktivitäten in Hinblick auf die Revision zu machen. Die Aktivitäten und Protokolle der Sitzungen des Nodus - Treff für Netzpolitik können unter http://blog.nodus.ch nachgelesen werden. 6. Upgrading Humans -- Technical Realities and New Morals ~~ Hat zwar im Moment noch nichts mit Urheberrecht, Politikern und Verwertern zu tun, aber wir finden einfach Warwick sollte man nicht verpassen! Der Studienbereich Neue Medien und dorkbotswiss laden ein: Prof. Kevin Warwick, Dept. of Cybernetics, Reading University (UK) http://www.kevinwarwick.com The main thrust will be an overview of Kevin's own research which has led to him receiving a neural implant which linked his nervous system bi-directionally with the internet. With this in place neural signals were transmitted to various technological devices to directly control them, in some cases via the internet, and feedback to the brain was obtained from such as the fingertips of a robot hand, ultrasonic (extra) sensory input and neural signals directly from another human's nervous system. Datum: Mittwoch, 22.11.06 Ort: Studienbereich Neue Medien, Sihlquai 131, 1. Stock Raum 1.7 , 8005 Zürich Zeit: 17:00 -- zukunftsnetz ~ digitale allmend http://www.allmend.ch/ ___ Optionen zur diesem Newsletter: https://your.trash.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/allmend-newsletter ---End
[Wikimediach-l] 25 members
Hello, for your information: I have just welcomed the 25th member of the association. This said, you're still very welcome to promote Wikimedia CH and to actively look out for new members... Michael -- Michael Bimmler Secretary and Member of the Board Sekretär und Vorstandsmitglied Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] [Fwd: [Cc-ch] CC-ch Lizenzen - Second Draft zur Diskussion]
For your information and comment -- Michael Bimmler Secretary and Member of the Board Sekretär und Vorstandsmitglied Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikimedia.ch ---BeginMessage--- Wir haben nach der Publikation des ersten Drafts der Übersetzung der Creative Commons Public License viele Rückmeldungen erhalten. Diese haben wir in den nun vorliegenden zweiten Entwurf einfliessen lassen. Im Anschluss an den ersten Entwurf haben wir sodann das Gespräch mit den Verwertungsgesellschaften gesucht. Auch die Gespräche mit SUISA, SUISSIMAGE und Pro Litteris haben gemäss unserer Einschätzung zu einer Verbesserung des Lizenztextes geführt. Der nun vorliegende zweite Entwurf ist die Übersetzung zur Version 2.5, der derzeit aktuellen Version der Creative Commons Lizenzen. Die heutige Mitteilung eröffnet eine kurze, abschliessende Diskussion zu dieser Übersetzung. Rückmeldungen via Mailingliste oder als Blogkommentar sind willkommen. Ausstehend sind die Übersetzungen in die französische und italienische Sprache, welche nach Abschluss der Bereinigung des Second Draft erfolgen werden. - CC-ch by-nc-sa, Second Draft, Version 2.5 - http://www.creativecommons.ch/media/061113_byncsa.pdf - CC-ch by-nc-sa, First Draft, Version 1.0 - http://www.creativecommons.ch/media/translatedlicense.pdf ___ Cc-ch mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-ch ---End Message--- ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Fwd: [wilhelmtux-discussion] Urheberrecht
fyi Michael --- Urspruengliche Nachricht --- Datum: 11/24/2006 Von: Raphael Mack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [wilhelmtux-discussion] Urheberrecht Hallo zusammen, lese seit einiger Zeit auf diese Liste mit und bin froh, dass ihr euch für eine freiere Welt einsetzt. Vielleicht habt ihr mal von TheAlternative gehört, ein studentischer Verein in Zürich, der sich für freie Alternativen in der digitalen Welt einsetzt. Jedenfalls organisieren wir am kommenden Mo, 27.11. um 18:30 Uhr im Studicafé bQm an der ETH Zürich einen Info-Abend zum Urheberrecht. Wer Lust und Zeit hat ist also herzlich eingeladen. Würde mich auch freuen mal den einen oder anderen von euch persönlich kennen zu lernen. (Wie) muss das Urheberrecht an das Digitale Zeitalter angepasst werden? Nach kurzer Einführung stellen Vertreter verschiedener Interessensgruppen ihre Meinung zur Revision des Urheberrechts vor. Hierbei wird unter anderen Herausforderungen der zunehmenden Digitalisierung auch Digitales Rechte Management (DRM) thematisiert. Anschliessend werden unter Einbezug des Publikums verschiedene Fragen diskutiert. Grüße, Raphael -- www.TheAlternative.ch For A Sustainable Digital World. ___ wilhelmtux-discussion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wilhelmtux.ch/vmailman/listinfo/wilhelmtux-discussion Michael Bimmler Secretary and Member of the Board Sekretär und Vorstandsmitglied Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] [Fwd: [wilhelmtux-discussi on] Rückblick 6. OSS-Tagung]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI - -- Michael Bimmler Secretary and Member of the Board Sekretär und Vorstandsmitglied Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikimedia.ch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbDoTPsSeTGIUt54RAnZhAJ9C9y3I8WJp5encHKWi/hkJn37eFACfVRZi LfnF1J1I0X0jGGSxlzfyUsE= =wyLO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---BeginMessage--- Liebe Wilhelm Tux Diskussions-Mitglieder und Kopierte, Nun sind die Beiträge der 6. OSS-Tagung der Bundesverwaltung als PDF-Downloads verfügbar: http://internet.isb.admin.ch/internet/informatikstandards/veranstaltungen/01968/02159/index.html?lang=de Es war eine sehr nette Tagung, massgeblich von /ch/open organisiert und von Matthias Stürmer moderiert. Das Niveau der Vorträge und des vorhandenen Wissens schien mir hoch. Der Vortrag von Florian Schiessl (LiMux) war ein Höhepunkt. Es bestand genug Zeit, um Fragen zu stellen. ABER: Es wurde nicht kontrovers diskutiert. Niemand stellte kritische Fragen. Die Medien schienen weitgehend abwesend, mit Ausnahme des uns bekannten Mathias Born der BZ: sein Artikel auf: http://www.espace.ch/artikel_284487.html Der Vortrag von Dieter Klemme der ISB war ein Hammer. Einige Auszüge: Status Quo • Es gibt fast keine Open Source Software auf dem Arbeitsplatz der Bundesverwaltung ... Bis 2010 • Es gibt fast keine Open Source Software auf dem Arbeitsplatz der Bundesverwaltung • Weichenstellung für Office 2007 und Vista ist erfolgt • ODF ist ein (noch offenes) Thema ... Strategie ab 2011 • Bis 2011 sind die Voraussetzungen geschaffen, um Alternativen (auch Open Source Produkte) zu bisherigen Produkten, insbesondere der Büroautomation und des ERP einsetzen zu können. Wann wird die Strategie wirklich ändern? • Wenn Microsoft die Preise erhöht oder • Wenn es betriebliche Probleme mit den MS Produkten gibt ts_polemik_modus Sind die vielen Viren und Bot-Spams keine betriebliche Probleme? /ts_polemik_modus • Wenn es auf dem Markt viele erfolgreich abgeschlossene Umstellungen gibt • Wenn es eine vollständige Umgebung von alternativer Büroautomations-Software gibt • Wenn sich alle Fachanwendungen migrieren lassen • Wenn es genügend externes Know-how gibt • Wenn sich internes Know-how aufbauen lässt [...] Hierzu wurde gar nichts diskutiert oder hinterfragt und es gab auch keine unmittelbare Gelegenheit dazu. Ich habe zwar viel gefragt, aber getraute mich nicht, ein Statement abzugeben. Ich habe in der Pause mit Dieter Klemme diskutiert. Er hatte viele einleuchtende sachliche Gründe, warum es nicht schneller geht [langsamer, als dies in der OSS-Strategie der ISB 2005 suggeriert wird] und warum die Bundesverwaltung enorme Resourcen in die Migration von Windows XP und MS Office zu Windows Vista und MS Office 2007 steckt, statt mit freien Lösungen vorwärts zu machen. Fachlich mag vieles einleuchten. Aber auf der emotionellen Ebene bin ich wütend. Ich fühle, dass wir über den Tisch gezogen werden. Unsere Seite wird zwar ernst genommen und nett behandelt, aber hingehalten. Die OSS-Strategie 2005 scheint mir Makulatur, die Geschichte mit der SIK undurchsichtig und undemokratisch (http://www.symlink.ch/article.pl?sid=06/10/06/0911244mode=nested). Das Killerargument ist es, das an einer einheitlichen Plattform festgehalten wird. Mit diesem Argument kann man alles auf alle Zeiten verhindern. Richtigerweise wird gesagt, dass die User nichts wissen wollen und dass ein Mangel an FOSS-tauglichen Informatikern und Firmen herrscht. Aber ich spüre einfach keine Leidenschaft. Kein politisches Herz für die freie Informationsgesellschaft und die Res Publica, die öffentliche Sache. Ich habe nichts gegen die grossen Firmen, die ihrem Profit folgen. Aber ihre Ziele sind nicht die Ziele der Öffentlichkeit und nicht die Ziele der Kunden. Wie machen wir das unseren Politikerinnen und Administratoren klar? Florian Schiessl ist zwar auch pragmatisch: München hat einen pragmatischen Entscheid gefälltWir wollten keine Polemik anzetteln, sondern suchten die beste Lösung für unsere Bedürfnisse. Aber München hat auch politisch entschieden. Wie seht ihr das? Sind meine Gefühle falsch? Oder müssen wir polemischer werden, um weitere Rückschläge zu vermeiden? Wird sich die Verwaltung erst unter politischem Druck weiter bewegen? Theo Schmidt ___ wilhelmtux-discussion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wilhelmtux.ch/vmailman/listinfo/wilhelmtux-discussion ---End Message--- ___ www.wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
