I know IE is a *huge* market leader, and I *do* make sure my sites work
in IE...
I agree fully with the design for compliant browsers first, then go
back and fix IE* way of doing things. From my own personal experience I
can tell you it is in fact easier that way. I think it's ill advised
Hi all,
Is there a searchable archive of this list so I can sort of get my bearings
since I'm new here?
Rick
Ps. Mads, are you here? ;-)
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Hi all,
Is there a searchable archive of this list so I can sort of get my bearings
since I'm new here?
Rick
Ps. Mads, are you here? ;-)
Thanks for the idea, Martin. That did the trick, although not in the
#heading selector, but in the dl selector, which is the object that contains
all those floated elements. The #heading is only the top component of the
floated box.
Thanks a lot, it's been niggling away at me for ages, that
Hi John
I don't want to weigh into this argument of tables right or wrong - I
think all the angles are being covered pretty well at the moment. But
I read your post a couple of things jumped out at me.
On the whole it's a good read I agree with a lot of what you are
saying bit this section:
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 09:25, John Allsopp wrote:
So rather than seeing something like at times, it may be necessary to
use a non standards based approach to achieve an outcome within
certain constraints, and that is ok they see all those standards
zealots really don't know about the real
Mark,
On the whole it's a good read I agree with a lot of what you are
saying bit this section:
But unfortunately an article like yours is not read by them in the
spirit in which you intended, it is read as a vindication of their
position. See, Andy Budd agrees with me.
So rather than seeing
Hi,
I am running with the following issue. I am working on a 2 col design. Unlike other
areas, both the content the right side bar is of rounded corners with a gap in
between. My issue is there will always be more content. How do i align my vertical
height position of the side bar to the co
Hello.
I am working on an e-commerce site. It is not tablesless. :)
I have some problems in Mozilla and Firefox.
Please go here: http://www.insoft.ro/imprimante/1
Scroll down and look at the column containing the left menu. There is
some white space. Any ideas how i can fix it? So it reaches the
Hi,
I don't know if this question is appropriate to
post here... but now I've done it.
On this page http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/test.htmI
have a problem viewing in IE 6. On the left side there is about 10-15 px space
between #navcontainer and #footer and I can't figure out why. (CSS
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[...]
One of the things that I find hard to believe in this whole debate is
that tables are some how seen as a non standards based approach.
I see that view a lot from people who just discovered the beauty of CSS,
and are going a bit mad in the fight to kill off tables, even
Hi
Kim,
Drop
in a clipped backgroundgif of the same colourfor the nav container
on the CSS to the same width - 170px - but a few hundred px deep without
overflow and all be well. I see you're using non break spaces to pad the depth
but that will always be a fudge because once the window
Hi Razvan
I'd suggest the best option would be to make it a background image on
the body tag. Your body tag is going to be your top level containing
block so it will always stretch to the height of your content.
relative height: properties are always going to be relative to your
viewport or
Hi
Please see the list guildines at
http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm. If you want a
solution to your problem the guidlines will explain what information
you are going to need to provide in order to help us help you.
Cheers
Mark
I'd suggest the best option would be to make it a background image on
the body tag. Your body tag is going to be your top level containing
block so it will always stretch to the height of your content.
Maybe being pedantic, but the top level container would be the HTML element,
and backgrounds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am running with the following issue. I am working on a 2 col design. Unlike other areas,
both the content the right side bar is of rounded corners with a gap in between. My
issue is there will always be more content. How do i align my vertical height position of
the
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John Allsopp wrote:
Andy,
Hi John,
I wasn't actually going too respond to your comments but considering
your latest email, I thought it was probably a good idea.
I actually wrote about half a dozen different replies to the article
and posted none of them, other than my snarky comment on your
Kim wrote:
I'm not sure I follow your suggestion. The problem is if I remove the
pnbsp;/p the #navcontainer will be shorter that the
content/sidebar
meaning there will be a space between #navcontainer and #footer I
uploaded
the corrected version here
Would it be possible to force the
One of Andy's 10 questions answers reinforced this by the use of words
like fascist (a fascist is a pretty nasty thing BTW) to describe some
people (easily misunderstood as everyone) in the web standards
community who might be overly zealous about whether or not a site
validates. Not that I
Who are all of these mad heavy-handed authoritarian web nuts that you're
talking about? ;)
From what I see there are different ways of putting over a point, each
one usually as legitimate as the other and they all usually contribute
to a stronger understanding of web standards for those new to
On 19/05/2004, at 8:24 PM, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Some of signs that is might slip are increasing computer literacy in
the general public, increased awareness of Mozilla and Opera (media
reports, Opera on mobile phones, etc.), and increased acceptance of
Linux. We can aid this further by
Thanks I did not know that asp.net ran on
linux. I will look at the URL you sent.
Nancy
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:31
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mono.org appears to be something quite
different.
Try http://www.go-mono.com/
R.
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JohnsonSent: 19 May 2004 14:35To:
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Title: RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'
I feel that Mozilla is by a country mile the best browser available, but the guy you're replying to there is right in my opinion. The average web user doesn't comfortably adapt to new environments all that well.
Jamie Mason: Design
The only way I can see a browser beating IE is if it looks, feels and
behaves like IE in every way possible.
An average user will not go to the trouble of downloading and installing
another browser to replace the one they got with the OS - even if it has 25%
better features. M$ will dominate
On 19/05/2004, at 11:59 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
Opera will never do it. The UI is butt ugly, the usability is woeful,
and the whole thing feels a whole lot cheaper.\
Have you seen opera 7.50? And opera on mobile phones is reality,
not something will never do it.
The only way I can see a
Robert Reed wrote:
The only way I can see a browser beating IE is if it looks, feels and
behaves like IE in every way possible.
An average user will not go to the trouble of downloading and installing
another browser to replace the one they got with the OS - even if it has
Nice one, mate. Cross browser compliant to boot.
Mike
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Sent: 19 May 2004 13:01
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Extending full height (was Problem with IE)
Kim wrote:
I'm not sure I
One more thing will be required: Web pages need to be better on
compliant browsers.
So in an effort to coax standards compliance out of MS we should all
make sites look *beter* in non IE browsers?
I've yet to run across a client who loves standards and MS arm twisting
so much that they would
According to the W3C, my valid XHTML 1.1 page only validates to HTML
4.01 Strict. I'm checking for application/xhtml+xml in order to serve
up the correct header and DOCTYPE, so apparently, their validater
doesn't recognize that mime type!
It would be nice to be able to use the logo, but if
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Floats are suppose to extend past bottom of a container.
That statement is correct in this instance but might be slightly misleading.
It would be better to say that the heights of floated items are ignored by
the parent container, so there is a possibility they may
This is a testing ground for me -- obviously. I am trying to implement
the hover/pop-up menus as demonstrated in More Eric Meyers on CSS and I
can't quite figure out how to get the pop-outs to appear on top of the
center div, rather than disappearing behind it. The third level of nav
can't
Quoting Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am trying to float 3 columns next to each other.
This appearas to be OK in IE6 but is broken in FireFox.
The columns break out of the container in FireFox.
There's now a new way to clear float containers without the need to use an extra
noa wrote:
The W3C validator does recognise application/xhtml+xml. The problem
might be that you're not checking for the W3C's user agent string when
you decide which browsers to send which MIME type to. The string is
W3C_Validator.
Checking for user agent doesn't make sense; there are too
Sorry, thought I took that clear:both out of there. My mistake.
As for the font sizes, that is what was specified in the original stylesheet and I
just copied from the col1 styles down to the end.
From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/05/19 Wed PM 04:54:50 EDT
To: Web
The voices are telling me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 5/18/2004 8:43 PM:
So, yes, apos; is a better solution than the one I posted.
Except that [censored] MSIE doesn't display the apostrophe. It gets
it fine (as slapping ?xml version='1.0'? onto the top and renaming
it to foo.xml
The W3C validator does recognise application/xhtml+xml. The problem
might be that you're not checking for the W3C's user agent string when
you decide which browsers to send which MIME type to. The string is
W3C_Validator.
Mordechai Peller wrote:
According to the W3C, my valid XHTML 1.1 page
El mié, 19-05-2004 a las 21:43, Brian Foy escribió:
Hi Sean,
Looks like you have to clear those floats.
Try adding a div with clear: both; just below the last column.
Brian
Or this nicer method (i don't know where i first read about this, excuse
me if it was on this list :)
Clearing
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Hi Sean,
Looks like you have to clear those floats.
Try adding a div with clear: both; just below the last column.
Brian
Sean Sullivan-Daley wrote:
I am trying to float 3 columns next to each other.
This appearas to be OK in IE6 but is broken in FireFox.
The columns break out of the container in
Kim, you said,
Would it be possible to force the #navcontainer to stretch down to
the
#footer without the pnbsp;/p ? If so how?
No, there's no way to do this reliably. You should forget trying to do
it. This is what Mark Stanton was getting at. Remove the background
from your #navcontainer and
The voices are telling me that Patrick Griffiths said on 5/19/2004
7:43 AM:
Who are all of these mad heavy-handed authoritarian web nuts that you're
talking about? ;)
/me fires up Xnews, looks to see that
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.* are still there.
Yup.
/me scratches head.
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Sean Sullivan-Daley wrote:
I am trying to float 3 columns next to each other.
This appearas to be OK in IE6 but is broken in FireFox.
The columns break out of the container in FireFox.
Here is a link to the Files.
http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/
http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/css/style2.css
What
#col1 {
width: 253px;
height: auto;
border-right: 2px dotted #5D355E;
float: left;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
clear: both;
}
#col1 p, #col2 p, #col3 p {
font: 12px/16px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 0px;
padding: 5px 10px;
}
Mike,
There are two small problems with this
I just came across something new for me. I just started working with this company and
they are using jsp with Tomcat and Jaquar as the server environment. the pages are
being built with Forte as the editor of choice. I tried, in all my accessibility
lovingness to add title tags to some
Ryan Christie wrote:
I assume you're using PHP Mordechai? If so, copypaste this -- based
off Simon's script but altered for 1.1 DTD instead of 1.0Tran, with
added sniffing::
Good guess. I had already made the mods to 1.1 and 4.01 Strict, as well
as removed the lang error. Needing the sniffing
What you're doing wrong is that you are assume IE6 is getting it right.
Floats are suppose to extend past bottom of a container. You could try
adding br style=clear:both/.
That statement is correct in this instance but might be slightly misleading.
It would be better to say that the heights of
Hi Hugh,
Great article, thank you. The problem the problem is already solved though.
Jason Turnbull was so helpful that he showed me and the solutions and it
works great. Now I've new problem though... I wrapped the logo and an URL in
an h1 tag, placed it right under the body tag and now FF is
Ok,
something completely different but standards related.
It's a rethink on about half of the presentation gave the the Sydney
WSG meeting just before Christmas, and then at the first Melbourne WSG
meeting a few weeks ago,
http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2004/05/plus_ca_change.html
Floats are tricky. Try this:
1) Drop your col2 div below the col3 in the HTML markup.
2) Use these values for the col# in the stylesheet:
#col1 {
width: 253px;
height: auto;
border-right: 2px dotted #5D355E;
float: left;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
Matthias wrote:
I want a type of three-col layout inside a wrapper. On the
right-hand-side is a nav at the top, no big deal (a float or
position:absolute does the trick). In the middle there is the content
(no trick at all, I think). On the left-hand-side there shall be a
support/credit box
Thanks Patrick
Yes you are right about html being the top level container, but I
guess I was thinking about visible area - I never realised that you
could style the html. Will try this out for sure.
Cheers
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Hi Ted!
Can you put the box inside the footer div and stick it to the right side?
Sorry, no. The credit-box should be above the footer. Or..
caution why=raw thinking
Would negative margins be the solutions? I once advocated them as a
general cure, but I don't know exactly, how high the box will
I tried, in all my accessibility lovingness to add title tags to some images
on a page today and it is telling me that the title tag is not allowed by the
dtd and it won't parse the page.
I'm assuming that you are talking about the title= attribute rather
than the title tag?
I tried the
I wonder how yahoo was able to do it. Checkboxes in mail.yahoo.com do
not contain this extra padding/border
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Hi Ted,
It would be useful to post the code you are working on - or the validator
results.
An initial guess at the problem would be that it is an error (missed
bracket/unclosed tag) before the img tag that is causing the problem.
John,
Anyone at Apple reading this? I'd imagine that if the web engine is
already installed on Windows computers with iTunes (like all HP
machines from June this year), all that would be needed would be a tiny
download of a Safari GUI. (I imagine this because I'm not a
programmer!)
-Hugh Todd
Kim,
Jason's solution is an excellent one. I regretted my dogmatic statement
(that you should not try) the moment I saw it. The background-image
solution is better for a more complex background graphic for your
column.
-Hugh
Great article, thank you. The problem the problem is already solved
Ted Drake wrote:
I just came across something new for me. I just started working with this company and
they are using jsp with Tomcat and Jaquar as the server environment. the pages are
being built with Forte as the editor of choice. I tried, in all my accessibility
lovingness to add title
Hugh,
Anyone at Apple reading this? I'd imagine that if the web engine is
already installed on Windows computers with iTunes (like all HP
machines from June this year), all that would be needed would be a
tiny download of a Safari GUI. (I imagine this because I'm not a
programmer!)
you are
Mark Stanton wrote:
Thanks Patrick
Yes you are right about html being the top level container, but I
guess I was thinking about visible area - I never realised that you
could style the html. Will try this out for sure.
I recall reading somewhere that you can style the title element. You
of
From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I recall reading somewhere that you can style the title element.
Interestingly enough, I was playing with that the other night...
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/details.php?id=34
Works best in Firefox / Gecko based browsers at the
[OT] I want to keep the entered data in NN:form after history.go(-1)
I am racking my brains over the simplest thing, its not web standards as in
CSS but its about browser compatibility.
Using Netscape if I fill in the form submit it and get to an error page
then click back or a link with
I'm working on http://metropolis.muprivate.edu.au/index.php?id=456 -
it's going to be our intranet.
Looking at it in Firefox, it looks fine, but in IE the menu on the left
appears but is then overwritten by the background image on the container
div.
Does any one have any suggestions?
gary
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I'm working on http://metropolis.muprivate.edu.au/index.php?id=456 -
it's going to be our intranet.
Looking at it in Firefox, it looks fine, but in IE the menu on the left
appears but is then overwritten by the background image
Hey there Gary,
there's just a small problem withthe way your structring your
background image for the left hand column. For help go here:Faux columns
- by Dan Cederhomhttp://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
btw - your images and colours look very familiar. A lot likea site I
accusation of plagiarism dealt with off list. Feel free to contact me if
you want more details.
gg
Ben Webster wrote:
Hey there Gary,
there's just a small problem with the way your structring your
background image for the left hand column. For help go here:
Faux columns - by Dan Cederhom
Thanks Peller for the link.
I did had a look. but my problem is a bit different. I am not using flat floated
menus. If it is flat than i can put a similar bg color or graphics to level the bottom
alignment along with the footer. My problem is a bit different. The content the
sidebar or both
At some stage, but that does look different to what I recall.
Certainly a step in the right direction.
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 14:22, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hi Chris
Have you tried turning on verbose output? This can be done by going to
the extended interface at
Curious how others would approach this?
I've just finished a simple site that is perfect in
WIN - NN 7, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6
MAC - Safari 1.2.1, Mozilla 1.4, IE 5.2
And a friend looks it in on Mac IE 5 and finds a big problem.
My question is, do you draw the line or not? Do I spend more time
On 5/19/04 9:56 PM Universal Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
I've just finished a simple site that is perfect in
WIN - NN 7, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6
MAC - Safari 1.2.1, Mozilla 1.4, IE 5.2
And a friend looks it in on Mac IE 5 and finds a big problem.
My question is, do you draw the
Hi Peter,
I've just finished a simple site that is perfect in WIN - NN
7, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6 MAC - Safari 1.2.1, Mozilla 1.4, IE 5.2
And a friend looks it in on Mac IE 5 and finds a big problem.
My question is, do you draw the line or not? Do I spend more
time time trying to track
On 20/05/2004, at 2:56 PM, Universal Head wrote:
Curious how others would approach this?
I've just finished a simple site that is perfect in
WIN - NN 7, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6
MAC - Safari 1.2.1, Mozilla 1.4, IE 5.2
And a friend looks it in on Mac IE 5 and finds a big problem.
IE 5 and 5.1 are
It's probably something to do with that as one of the two problems is a standard horizontal list nav stuffing up. It does make the navigation virtually unusable I must admit.
But what can you do? My point to posting was, how many specific version numbers can one check in anyway? Having it work
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