The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 104 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: Official 1-series pictures Re: Official 1-series pictures Re: Official 1-series pictures
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:26:36 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Where does MINI fit into all of this ? Who cares? Like there's not 50 other small FWD cars that fit into this performance niche, or will blow the Cooper S's doors off. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:09:03 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > > Where does MINI fit into all of this ? > > Who cares? Like there's not 50 other small FWD cars that fit into this > performance niche, or will blow the Cooper S's doors off. well actually there aren't. I count : Neon SR-T4 Civic Si (maybe, tho not judged to be anything close to as much fun) Focus SVT (no longer for sale) Celica GTS (not a hatch really, more of a coupe) GTI (heavy, expensive, slow) RSX (coupe again) Redline Ion (coupe again) Mazda3 of this list I'd say that the Neon & Mazda3 are the only ones which are traditional hatches & the Neon the only one with any real sporting aspirations. the Mazda will get faster then they do the inevitable MazdaSpeed version (esp if it's AWD) but the at the moment the Mini is nearly alone in it's class. it's entirely possible that BMW are sensitive to taking market share away from the Mini with a 1-series hatch. in Europe the 1-series is targeted at the C segment (Focus, Golf, Astra, Megane, A3, etc) where the Mini plays to the smaller B segment (Fiesta, Clio, Punto, Polo, 106, C3), even tho it's pricing is higher than a lot of the larger competitors. here in the US there isn't nearly the differentiation in small cars, since to 99% of the population there's no difference between the smallness of a Mini & that of a Golf or Focus, esp as compared to the fleets of SUV's & trucks on the road. the other problem is pricing, since they would have to figure out how to slot the 1 into the $7k range between the top Mini's and the bottom of the E46 range. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:02:00 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think Mazda currently makes the hottest hatch on the > market although Golf R32 when available would claim that > title. And as far as sedans go, either the Evo or the STI > is my pick. Yeah, they are not BMWs and they are > not pretty but you can not tell that beyond the wheel. > And at Laguna my Evo was faster than most BMWs on the track > including several E46 M3s. Of course it could have been the driver ;-) Mazda is making some pretty cool stuff. I wish the Rx-8 didn't look funny & have those silly doors. I heard something or other about a Mazdaspeed Miata turbo......hehehehe I'd forget BMW even existed for a gadget like that! Lightweight, good looks, gobs of power & Japanese reliability....who could refuse it. Hell, the normally aspirated Miatas are SOOOOOO much fun to drive. The autoshow was recently in Atlanta. The R32 is a cool-looking little gizmo, but has a disadvantage that I noticed in EVERY one of VAG's products. The motors are slammed as far to the front as possible. In the R32's case (it's transversely mounted) the entire motor is in fore of the front axle. I bet that thing pushes terminally & no amount of aftermarket stuff can do that much for bad design. Another downside to this is that all the new Audis looked like a major PITA to work on. I really liked the previous gen A4 & A8, but I think these new Audis are just poorly designed. FWIW, the best designed vehicle I saw for doing basic & intensive maintenance was the Tundra. > > Bora > 1989 #236 JP BMW M3 > 2003 Evo 8 Damn lucky devil. Lee 88 M3->Jnothing, not nice enough to drive everyday either 01 Saab 9-3SE->please god let a tree fall on this or have it stolen or something..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:11:25 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Where do I sign the check and the paper work. > > Please BMW, if you are listening, bring back a > 2700 lb car with good brakes, good engine with > 4 cylinders, no i-drive and great suspension. > Throw in a set of Recaros and Xenon lights > and I am all set. Leave the DSC at home :-) > > Bora Bora, I'm about to save you a ton of bread.....take the $40k BMW would charge for such a car. Buy 1 pretty good BMW E30 M3. Now use the remaining $30k to restore body (might as well seam weld), stiffen, build a tight 2.5L 260-275hp S14, do the suspension up, install a sweet interior from Recaro. Install some new gadgets you like, maybe Xenons, nav system, stereo.....whatever. Repaint any color you want. Standback & look at what is essentially a new car & probably much better quality, durability & reliability-wise than anything currently coming out of BMW. For you E36 lovers out there, you can do the same thing with a '95 M3 'cept the motor will be cheaper. FWIW, if I could afford it, I'd find a really nice E30 M3 to drive everyday & turn my current track rat into a track monster........ Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:29:01 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Gary!!!!! We're doing a top-end rebuild on my buddy's Track Z28. The new cam moves the power curve way up, but really decreases low-end torque (it's gonna be silly fast). He was trying to figure out why this somewhat mild cam wasn't in from the factory. Answer is marketing. Most people prolly never rev a car past 3000 rpm, so emphasizing torque in this region of the powerband is important to brainless automotive journalists & motorist who put around in the low rpms. Again, this desire for low-end torque is robbing the S54 of much higher gains at the top of the powerband. Low-end torque sells cars though...... Lee P.S. How's the hacienda coming along.....I'm kinda bored on weekends without anybody's plumbing to rip out or walls & floors to tear up!!! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 22:54 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1 series > > > Why such importance on the engine torque? The diesel > certainly has a taller > gear which means less torque at the rear wheels where it counts. > > Power is what matters, not necessarily peak power, but power > in a useable > rpm range. The diesel does well there and would be faster > for that reason. > > Gary Derian > > > > > > And here's the magic part. The 120d has 251 ft/lbs of > torque. You heard > me > > - that's more than the E28 M5 that I'm driving right now. > And the 120d > > weight works out to 2900lbs (and this might be the WET > weight even..) > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:37:39 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Saab has the motor back over the front axle & has about the 62% you mention. The audis though, I mean take a look at one if you haven't. The motors are literally right on the radiator. The new S4 you can barely slide a thin magazine between the motor & radiator. It's kinda like the old 911 syndrome except at the other end. I can imagine that if Audi didn't do the suspension right, you might get some surprises on emergency handling manuvers. I can imagine it would be miserable to work on too. If Saab would just stick that big 'ol battery in the right side of the trunk instead of all the way up on the front left corner, it would prolly have a decent weight distribution. Of course, it looks as if Saab has compensated for this through suspension tuning, as the car will oversteer on trailing throttle or braking quite well. Still wish somebody would steal it though..... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:12 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1 series > > > That's pretty standard for FWD and FWD based AWD cars. > The high forward weigh bias, 62% to 64% greatly > limits the ultimate cornering, but in every day > driving, with good tires, it doesn't make much > difference. > > An Audi will always lag a BMW on the track, but most > customers won't notice. And it does improve > directional stability. > > Gary Derian > > --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > EVERY one of VAG's products. > > The motors are slammed as far to the front as > > possible. In the R32's case > > (it's transversely mounted) the entire motor is in > > fore of the front axle. > > I bet that thing pushes terminally & no amount of > > aftermarket stuff can do > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:08:08 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Robinson, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:38 AM <SNIP> I can imagine it would be miserable to work on too. <SNIP> What Audi did with the A4 (last gen) was to make the entire front clip very easily removable. You don't even have to drain the radiator or disconnect the hoses, the whole thing just swings out of the way. The downside is that you have to remove the bumper to do the most simple front of engine work, but at least it's easy to get it off. Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 1995 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:54:15 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How 'bout Mitsu Eclipse Mercedes C230 Sport Coupe Hyundai Tibouron (V6) Scooby WRX & wagon (hey, same price) That's a dozen or so. I think everybody knew I really didn't mean 50. I think you're on to something that most Americans don't distinguish between small & smaller cars. I think that it's reasonable that the Cooper (which could be equated with nearly any small car) & the CooperS will be cross-shopped with all the cars listed at some point or another as they are all (reasonably so) in the same price range. Fact is that the MINI doesn't really offer that much that you can't find in some of these other cars. Anyway, my point was that I could care less to see the MINI go or stay. Initally, I thought it was kinda cool & have to admit that currently, it's BY A LONG FREAKIN SHOT the best looking thing coming out of BMW dealers. I actually like the dark Cooper S with the white stripes & fog lamps. Then I drove one......they have good steering & that's it. It's got a cramped, cheap-feeling interior. I finally realized that Neil was right about the way they crammed all that crap under the hood--what a mess. All this while still weighing more than an E30! Sure they're selling well, but I think it's more because of the retro thing than anything else. I think in a few years this whole MINI thing will be a distant memory. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ben keyes > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:09 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1 series > > > Lee wrote: > > > > Where does MINI fit into all of this ? > > > > Who cares? Like there's not 50 other small FWD cars that > fit into this > > performance niche, or will blow the Cooper S's doors off. > > well actually there aren't. I count : > Neon SR-T4 > Civic Si (maybe, tho not judged to be anything close to as much fun) > Focus SVT (no longer for sale) > Celica GTS (not a hatch really, more of a coupe) > GTI (heavy, expensive, slow) > RSX (coupe again) > Redline Ion (coupe again) > Mazda3 > > of this list I'd say that the Neon & Mazda3 are the only ones which > are traditional hatches & the Neon the only one with any real sporting > aspirations. the Mazda will get faster then they do the inevitable > MazdaSpeed version (esp if it's AWD) but the at the moment the Mini > is nearly alone in it's class. > > it's entirely possible that BMW are sensitive to taking market share > away from the Mini with a 1-series hatch. in Europe the 1-series is > targeted at the C segment (Focus, Golf, Astra, Megane, A3, etc) > where the Mini plays to the smaller B segment (Fiesta, Clio, Punto, > Polo, 106, C3), even tho it's pricing is higher than a lot of > the larger > competitors. here in the US there isn't nearly the differentiation in > small cars, since to 99% of the population there's no difference > between the smallness of a Mini & that of a Golf or Focus, esp > as compared to the fleets of SUV's & trucks on the road. the other > problem is pricing, since they would have to figure out how to slot > the 1 into the $7k range between the top Mini's and the bottom of the > E46 range. > > > > Ben > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's pretty standard for FWD and FWD based AWD cars. The high forward weigh bias, 62% to 64% greatly limits the ultimate cornering, but in every day driving, with good tires, it doesn't make much difference. An Audi will always lag a BMW on the track, but most customers won't notice. And it does improve directional stability. Gary Derian --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > EVERY one of VAG's products. > The motors are slammed as far to the front as > possible. In the R32's case > (it's transversely mounted) the entire motor is in > fore of the front axle. > I bet that thing pushes terminally & no amount of > aftermarket stuff can do ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 1979 Audi 5000 had the engine so far forward the radiator was along the side, not in front. Gary Derian --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Saab has the motor back over the front axle & has > about the 62% you > mention. The audis though, I mean take a look at > one if you haven't. The > motors are literally right on the radiator. The new > S4 you can barely slide > a thin magazine between the motor & radiator. It's > kinda like the old 911 > syndrome except at the other end. I can imagine > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is also the small matter of fuel economy and emissions. That Chevy cruises at 1200 rpm. A hot cam just won't work down there. High rpm power is just fine as long as the transmission gears are close enough to keep the engine "on the cam". GM transmissions are designed for the EPA cycle with wide ratios, and the 1-4 skip shift feature also works to keep the engine speed way down. That is how a 5.7 liter car can get 25 mpg. Gary Derian --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Gary!!!!! > > We're doing a top-end rebuild on my buddy's Track > Z28. The new cam moves > the power curve way up, but really decreases low-end > torque (it's gonna be > silly fast). He was trying to figure out why this > somewhat mild cam wasn't > in from the factory. Answer is marketing. Most > people prolly never rev a > car past 3000 rpm, so emphasizing torque in this > region of the powerband is > important to brainless automotive journalists & > motorist who put around in > the low rpms. > > Again, this desire for low-end torque is robbing the > S54 of much higher > gains at the top of the powerband. Low-end torque > sells cars though...... > > Lee > > P.S. How's the hacienda coming along.....I'm kinda > bored on weekends > without anybody's plumbing to rip out or walls & > floors to tear up!!! :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Gary Derian > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 22:54 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1 series > > > > > > Why such importance on the engine torque? The > diesel > > certainly has a taller > > gear which means less torque at the rear wheels > where it counts. > > > > Power is what matters, not necessarily peak power, > but power > > in a useable > > rpm range. The diesel does well there and would > be faster > > for that reason. > > > > Gary Derian > > > > > > > > > > And here's the magic part. The 120d has 251 > ft/lbs of > > torque. You heard > > me > > > - that's more than the E28 M5 that I'm driving > right now. > > And the 120d > > > weight works out to 2900lbs (and this might be > the WET > > weight even..) > > > > > > > > > Search the > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ____________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of > > the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:37:06 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have an E30 M3 in my garage, but you knew that already :-) > From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:11:25 -0500 > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1 series > >> Where do I sign the check and the paper work. >> >> Please BMW, if you are listening, bring back a >> 2700 lb car with good brakes, good engine with >> 4 cylinders, no i-drive and great suspension. >> Throw in a set of Recaros and Xenon lights >> and I am all set. Leave the DSC at home :-) >> >> Bora > > Bora, > > I'm about to save you a ton of bread.....take the $40k BMW would charge for > such a car. Buy 1 pretty good BMW E30 M3. Now use the remaining $30k to > restore body (might as well seam weld), stiffen, build a tight 2.5L > 260-275hp S14, do the suspension up, install a sweet interior from Recaro. > Install some new gadgets you like, maybe Xenons, nav system, > stereo.....whatever. Repaint any color you want. > > Standback & look at what is essentially a new car & probably much better > quality, durability & reliability-wise than anything currently coming out of > BMW. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:37:48 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official 1-series pictures Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > no, they already have an E46 compact : > <http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/new_bmw/mid/index/0,3032,1156_1503__ > bs-Mw%253D%253D%252Bbb-S08%253D,00.html> Damn, now that's kinda sharp. I like it. If someone at BMW is listening, please take this body & forget all the stupid navigation, leather, power everything & include the S54 with M3 brakes & suspension. Heck at 3000lbs it MIGHT even be as fast as a Z06--the outgoing one anyway. > I wouldn't pay for a new BMW unless they do a real successor > to the E30 M3, but we'll see whether that happens... They had trouble selling the first batch of 5000 or so they sent over here, what makes you think they're going to do that again???? People who are in the market for BMWs don't care about buzzy little 4 bangers that have to be revved to infinity & beyond (I bet the S54 could make a bunch more power if they hadn't had to increase low-end torque). They don't care to feel every little thing in the road--as a matter of fact I remember reading that a lot of owners complain about the fact that the E46 M3 isn't nearly refined enough. I think it'll be a cold day in you know where before BMW ever even considers making a car the likes of an E30 M3 again. 99.5% of consumers just don't want it, no matter how fast or fun to drive it is. That was the sheer brilliance of the E36 M3, while it was fast, it didn't exude the things that cars that fast usually exuded & they flew off showroom floors. >Ben Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:50:59 +0200 From: "Pavel Tcholakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official 1-series pictures Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually, the E46 Compact drew the same sort of "Korean styling" remarks in the beginning. Now I see them at every corner, it just grows on you. A 325ti is not a bad car, but with gutted interior and S54 mmm now that's an idea. Pity we'll never see it come like that from the factory but I'm sure one day soon residuals will get low enough for the tuners to start playing. Yup, pity the market forces will never bring us enthusiasts (especially those on a budget) exactly what we want. But that's what the after market is for, I think, to cater for those specific requirements. Pavel -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robinson, Lee Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:38 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [UUC] Official 1-series pictures > no, they already have an E46 compact : > <http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/new_bmw/mid/index/0,3032,1156_1503__ > bs-Mw%253D%253D%252Bbb-S08%253D,00.html> Damn, now that's kinda sharp. I like it. If someone at BMW is listening, please take this body & forget all the stupid navigation, leather, power everything & include the S54 with M3 brakes & suspension. Heck at 3000lbs it MIGHT even be as fast as a Z06--the outgoing one anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:39:26 +0200 From: "Pavel Tcholakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Official 1-series pictures Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robinson, Lee wrote on Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:17 PM > You can already buy a BMW like this.....well the M3 Evo sports were > only 7250 rpm.....only 2640lbs though, which is prolly much less than > an M2 would weigh. True, the 1 Series is what, about 2900lbs? But it's nice to see BMW going back to their roots. I think the 1 is going to be a major success of note in Europe, we're also getting it in South Africa towards the end of the year. Pity the E30 M3 never made it over here. We only had the E30 325iS which had M suspension and body kit, as well as a 2.7 M50 stroker developed by Alpina if I'm not mistaken. Nice but not quite the race car the original M3 was. Interestingly, in SA the iS suffix was never used to indicate 2dr/coupe version like in the US. A 2 door E36 would still be called a 325i for example. > Awww, c'mon, from the British press I've read, the 2.0L 6 is a gem of an engine. Just like all BMW Sixes, except perhaps it needs more poke :-) But with only 66mm stroke, the thing loves high revs. Pavel ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
