The BMW UUC Digest 
Volume 2 : Issue 114 : "text" Format

Messages in this Issue:
  Various parts for sale
  Re: M3 Springs 
  Re: M3 Springs 
  M5 E34 engine for sale on Ebay.de
  Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
  Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
  Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
  Re: RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering question.
  Re: [personal] Re: RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering question.
  Re: RE>Misguided R&D
  RE>Misguided R&D
  Re: Spring compressors
  [e36 M3] steering question.
  E46 M3 wheel fitment
  E46 M3 track brake pads

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:35:11 -0500
From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Various parts for sale
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, all

I got to clean my garage yesterday.  I found these parts that I no longer
needed.  So, here they are.  You can see the photo @
http://www.itekgroup.com/perry/sale_info.html

UUC Motorwerks EVO II Short Shifter for E36M3 and E36 328
Brand New in the box never installed.  It has UUC Short Shifter, ERK, delrin
carrier bushings and full installation instruction.  UUC listed short
shifter on back order right now.
$355 new, asking $270 plus shipping

BMW E36M3 '97 ECU
VIN: WBSBG9329VEY75330
This is out of my friend's wrecked M3.  The M3 suffered a 20 mile front end
collision with a tree.  A reflahed ECU from BMW cost $900, asking $500 plus
shipping

BMW '95 to 9/96 E36 Euro side blinkers
This come out of a 95 325is 3 years ago.  New $34, asking $20 plus shipping

Xenon Transformer and Xenon Relay (prevent headlamp failed fault)
This came out of a 97 M3.  Xenon bulbs didn't survive the crash. :(  
$488 brand new, Asking $300 plus shipping.

Thanks for the bandwidth.

Perry

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:21:13 -0800
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M3 Springs 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Gents,

I was offered Z3 M springs for cheap for my wife's 2001 Z3 2.5. Now my question to the 
group is do I have to upgrade the shocks to install the new M springs or can I just 
keep the OEM shocks which has 33K miles on it?

TIA

Pingger <----cheap coz it's hers but loves to drive it


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:25:39 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M3 Springs 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only if you want the car to drive properly.  Stiffer springs need stiffer
shocks.
Gary Derian

> Gents,
>
> I was offered Z3 M springs for cheap for my wife's 2001 Z3 2.5. Now my
question to the group is do I have to upgrade the shocks to install the new
M springs or can I just keep the OEM shocks which has 33K miles on it?
>
> TIA
>
> Pingger <----cheap coz it's hers but loves to drive it



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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:29:48 +0000
From: "Gregory Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: M5 E34 engine for sale on Ebay.de
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

No one I know, endorse, guarantee or take commission to/from.  Find auction 
2469979156, which is listed on ebay.de.  The basics are 100.000 km engine 
(3.6 liter) from an E39 M5.  No wiring harness, sold as you see.  Although 
it is a 3.6 L engine, seller mentioned that it does have a 3.8 L valve 
cover.

Will ship anywhere in Germay for 125 Euros.  He doesn't list international 
selling as an option but it's up to you to contact him to see.

Good luck to the lucky guy !!

Gregory in Geneva

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:59:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In MA, *SP on your cell phone will get you the State Police to report a reckless or 
drunk driver, accident, etc.  Probably a better/safer idea than trying to chase the 
guy down.  For all you know he has a pair of 9mm pistols, a knife, and his 
girlfriend's head in a trash bag on the passenger seat (like a guy in RI did last 
week).  Dunno if GA has a similar cell shortcut for the staties, but if not it might 
be worth programming their number into your cell for such occasions.

Brian
'94 325ic

-----Original Message-----
From: GA Carnut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 30, 2004 12:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>

Reminds me of the time I was cruising home up I-85 in N.E. Metro Atlanta, 
about 10:00 PM at night.  Was in the fast lane, doing 85mph in my '02 
Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (pre-bimmer days).  Looked down to do something, 
looked up, to see a 1.8T Passat bearing down on me at around 130 mph or so.

There was a minivan right next to me, so there was nowhere for me to go.  I 
hooked it in as close to him as I could w/o hitting him, and the VW went b/w 
me and the concrete dividing wall.  Luckily, there was enough emergency lane 
left (HOV lane had just ended at Steve Reynolds Blvd) for him to go b/w us, 
and not hit anything.

If I'd been alone, I'd have gone after him, I was so mad (stupid, I know, 
but to do nothing is easier said than done).  But I had my 1 yr. old 
daughter and wife in the car...  but boy was I MAD!

I'm as crazy as the next bimmer driver, and love (controlled) high speed 
driving, but c'mon, there's a time and a place!  If I'm ever in danger of 
putting anyone else at risk, I back off and drive pretty normally... 
luckily, it's 70-90 mph around here!

Chip




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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:28:42 -0800
From: "Grant Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> -----Original Message-----
<snip>  Dunno if GA 
> has a similar cell shortcut for the staties, but if not it 
> might be worth programming their number into your cell for 
> such occasions.
> 
> Brian
> '94 325ic

I got the "#77" email forward today, so I'd already looked up this info.
Here's a link to each state's emergency number for that kind of thing:
http://www.shopoakpark.com/info-cellnumbers.html

Note that at least most states use 911, which IMHO is a good idea.

Grant



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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:36:24 +0700
From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This happened to me once in the Detroit area. I was in the fast lane - a beat-up 
pickup passed me on the left at ~85-90 mph, with the left wheels *on the grass in the 
median*. 

I've tried to avoid getting into stupidity tournaments on the freeway since then. 
There's some real Division 1A talent out there. --SC



----- Original Message -----
From: "GA Carnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:01:57 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UUC] Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW>
> 
> There was a minivan right next to me, so there was nowhere for me to go.  I 
> hooked it in as close to him as I could w/o hitting him, and the VW went b/w 
> me and the concrete dividing wall.  Luckily, there was enough emergency lane 
> left (HOV lane had just ended at Steve Reynolds Blvd) for him to go b/w us, 
> and not hit anything.
> 
> If I'd been alone, I'd have gone after him, I was so mad (stupid, I know, 
> but to do nothing is easier said than done).  But I had my 1 yr. old 
> daughter and wife in the car...  but boy was I MAD!

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:24:38 +0700
From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering question.
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

All right, I really don't get this round of ignorant NASA bashing. Spend 10 minutes 
looking at the safety history of the space race and I'll guarantee you'd rather have 
been an astronaut, ball-point pens and all, than a cosmonaut. I was at Goddard for a 
while, and yes, there is a strong whiff of government bureaucracy permeating the 
place, but the feats accomplished there will be remembered long after the efforts of 
most engineers working in private industry have faded into irrelevance.

</rant>

Back to the originally scheduled BMWC: The steering in the M3 has developed an odd 
rattle when rolling slowly over rough surfaces. There's no perceptible vagueness at 
speed, but when moving slowly it almost feels as if the column is bouncing back and 
forth between two very closely-spaced hard stops. It's exactly what I would expect the 
steering to feel like if the steering wheel was loose on the splines. Anybody BTDT? 
(tell me it's not the rack)...   Thanks, --SC




----- Original Message -----
From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:55:09 -0500
To: "''[EMAIL PROTECTED]''" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [UUC]  RE>Misguided R&D
 
> What's the point of having billions of taxpayer dollars lying around if you
> can't use it?
> 
> What's really amazing is that NASA would continue trying to force something
> that didn't want to work to work, rather than get the gears turning in
> engineer's heads to come up with some thing better.
> 
> I'm sure if you asked a period NASA engineer, he'd have some response about
> the pencil tip breaking or graphite dust or something.
> 
> Besides, it looks cool to the average dumba$$ when the big story on the news
> is the US technological machine's development of new-fangled stuff that no
> one could do before.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:46:07 -0800
From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [personal] Re: RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering question.
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

if memory serves there is a coupler or u-joint or something somewhere on the
lower part of the steering column in the engine bay.  The shafts do come
loose on the coupler.  I can't remember if it's a set screw or bolts or what
but mine was loose.  Check it.

Marco

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sean Cordone
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:25 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [personal] Re: [UUC] RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering
question.


All right, I really don't get this round of ignorant NASA bashing. Spend 10
minutes looking at the safety history of the space race and I'll guarantee
you'd rather have been an astronaut, ball-point pens and all, than a
cosmonaut. I was at Goddard for a while, and yes, there is a strong whiff of
government bureaucracy permeating the place, but the feats accomplished
there will be remembered long after the efforts of most engineers working in
private industry have faded into irrelevance.

</rant>

Back to the originally scheduled BMWC: The steering in the M3 has developed
an odd rattle when rolling slowly over rough surfaces. There's no
perceptible vagueness at speed, but when moving slowly it almost feels as if
the column is bouncing back and forth between two very closely-spaced hard
stops. It's exactly what I would expect the steering to feel like if the
steering wheel was loose on the splines. Anybody BTDT? (tell me it's not the
rack)...   Thanks, --SC




----- Original Message -----
From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:55:09 -0500
To: "''[EMAIL PROTECTED]''" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [UUC]  RE>Misguided R&D

> What's the point of having billions of taxpayer dollars lying around if
you
> can't use it?
>
> What's really amazing is that NASA would continue trying to force
something
> that didn't want to work to work, rather than get the gears turning in
> engineer's heads to come up with some thing better.
>
> I'm sure if you asked a period NASA engineer, he'd have some response
about
> the pencil tip breaking or graphite dust or something.
>
> Besides, it looks cool to the average dumba$$ when the big story on the
news
> is the US technological machine's development of new-fangled stuff that no
> one could do before.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:41:22 -0500
From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE>Misguided R&D
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Nice story, but probably not true.

Zero gravity space pen was developed by private industry at no cost to 
the taxpayer, and I think the pens were provided free to NASA or at cost.

I have owned one since 1967.

<http://www.spacepen.com/usa/index2.htm>

Ed

Robinson, Lee wrote:

>>There is a story goin' 'round that NASA, in the early days of manned 
>>space flight, discovered that ball point pens would not work in zero 
>>gravity  etc.
>>
>>So - NASA spent untold BIG BUCKS to develop a ball point pen 
>>that would 
>>write in zero gravity, upside down, . . . .
>>-
>>-
>>-
>>-
>>-
>>The Russians had the same problem,  so their solution was to use a 
>>pencil!
>>
>  
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:05:26 -0700
From: "Ike Moolla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE>Misguided R&D
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Harvey,

The pen/pencil story has some truth to it but it is however somewhat
untrue.

Fisher Pens invented the pressurized ballpoint pens and the real story
is excerpted below and also available at:

http://www.allwrite.nl/?incl=fisherspacepenhistory

Here's how Fisher themselves described it: 
NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. When the astronauts
began to fly, like the Russians, they used pencils, but the leads
sometimes broke and became a hazard by floating in the [capsule's]
atmosphere where there was no gravity. They could float into an eye or
nose or cause a short in an electrical device. In addition, both the
lead and the wood of the pencil could burn rapidly in the pure oxygen
atmosphere.
A hazardous example of a fire in space is the fire in Apollo 1, in which
three  astronauts died, NASA required a writing instrument that would
not burn in a 100% oxygen atmosphere and would work in the extreme
conditions of outer space.
The astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing instrument

This was realized by Paul Fisher , so in July 1965 he developed the
pressurized ball pen, with its ink enclosed in a sealed, pressurized ink
cartridge. Fisher sent the first samples to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Director
of the Houston Space Center. 
The pens were all metal except for the ink, which had a flash point
above 200�C. The sample Space Pens were thoroughly tested by NASA. They
passed all the tests and have been used ever since on all manned space
flights, American and Russian.  

All research and development costs were paid by Paul Fisher. No
development costs have ever been charged to the government. 
 
The Fisher Space Pen Works well:
- In a vacuum. 
- With no gravity. 
- In hot temperatures of +150�C in sunlight and also in the cold shadows
of space where the temperatures drop to -120�C 

(NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50�C, but because of the
residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for many minutes in the
cold shadows.)

Fisher spent over one million dollars in trying to perfect the ball
point pen before he made his first successful pressurized pens in 1965.
Samples were immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the
Houston Space Center, where they were thoroughly tested and approved for
use in Space in September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher
Space Pens to NASA for $2.95 each. 

Lead pencils were used on all Mercury and Gemini space flights and all
Russian space flights prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are more
dependable than lead pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken
piece of lead floating through the gravity-less atmosphere.

Hope this clears things up.

Ike



Harvey Chao  wrote:

>There is a story goin' 'round that NASA, in the early days of manned 
>space flight, discovered that ball point pens would not work in zero 
>gravity  etc.

>So - NASA spent untold BIG BUCKS to develop a ball point pen that would

>write in zero gravity, upside down, . . . .
-
-
-
-
-
>The Russians had the same problem,  so their solution was to use a 
>pencil!





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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:07:23 -0500
From: "Michael Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spring compressors
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Depends what you want to spend. There are lots of Brannicks on Ebay, but
they are still 100's of $. Most have a wheel on the top which seems to work
well. There are also some good quality clamshell units for $100-200. I have
used the threaded rod ones a number of times and have sworn to never use one
again. Last year I did shocks on my wife's Passat(all strut like
assemblies), and the threaded rod started bending on one of the struts and
scared the $%^^ out of me. Taylor rental has a floor mounted, screw driven
unit that looks like a good rental at $16/day.
MikeG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: [UUC] Spring compressors


> Okay, I've had it.  I've got four cars (including two Bimmers) with strut
> or strut-like suspension elements.
>
> I'm tired of either (a) struggling with the hooks-on-threaded-rod-type
> spring compressors or (b) shaping my work-on-the-car schedule around being
> able to haul them to a shop for the benchwork.
>
> So, it's time to get a REAL strut compressor.
>
> Anyone got any thoughts as to the right one?
>
> Branick 7200?  RTI SC-10FP?  Something else entirely?
>
> Wall-mounted desirable, air-operated would be great, big levers also fine,
> pricing I see on the Branick is about as much as I want to spend.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> John.



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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:06 +0700
From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [e36 M3] steering question.
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bullseye. What a difference. Marco, I owe you a beer. --SC


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:46:07 -0800
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [personal] Re: [UUC]  RE>Misguided R&D // [e36 M3] steering question.

> if memory serves there is a coupler or u-joint or something somewhere on the
> lower part of the steering column in the engine bay.  The shafts do come
> loose on the coupler.  I can't remember if it's a set screw or bolts or what
> but mine was loose.  Check it.
> 
> Marco
> 
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:52:42 -0500
From: Andy Grigor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E46 M3 wheel fitment
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I would like to hear from anyone who has witnessed the
fitment of a BBS RK (one piece) wheel, 18"x8.5" w/ 38mm
offset, on an E46 M3. Obviously, it is the front fitment
that is in question.

BBS literature says it is not a fit, thus Tire Rack says
it is not a fit. However, I know that a BBS RK, 17"x8"
w/ 40mm offset, fits on my 2004 M3 (3mm clearance between
spokes and caliber vs. 5mm clearance on stock 18" wheel).
BBS also has the two-piece 18"x8.5" RK which they say fits.

Trying to make sure this isn't US marketing at work to
make us M3 owners purchase the much more expensive 2-piece
RKs.

- Andy


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:42:36 -0500
From: "Andy G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: E46 M3 track brake pads
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am disappointed in the selection of track-capable
brake pads for the stock brakes on E46 M3s. The issue
is with the availability of the "683" rear pad.

My preferred pad is a Performance Friction pad (no
affiliation). I thought the PF90 was the perfect
compound. I have used the PF97 compound but was not
happy with the rotor wear and metal dust from driving
to and from events. The front pad is now only
available in the 01 compound. No rear pad is
currently available.

Other manufacturers with front and rear track pads
are Hawk and Porterfield. I will not run the Hawk
Blues and I have no experience with the HT-10s (a
possibility). I have also run the Porterfield R4s,
but they do not have the bite and sustained torque
of the PF90s and do not have as high upper temp
range (i.e. they fade on hot summer days).

In speaking with Performance Friction, they would
like to see 30-50 people interested in rear pads
before they would be willing to make a production
run. There is also the possibility of getting PF
to make a run of pads with the 90 compound.

I am asking fellow E46 M3 owners who would like
front and rear Performance Friction brake pads in a
in a track compound to: email me with your interest; or,
contact Performance Friction (performancefriction.com)
with your interest in a rear pad; or, contact Porterfield
([EMAIL PROTECTED]), one of their major
distributors.

Please CC me if you email PF or Porterfield directly
so I can keep track of the response.

A PF marketing person didn't catch the irony when
he proudly pointed out their sponsorship of PTG's
E46 M3.

- Andy


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