The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 117 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E46 M3 track brake pads Re: E46 M3 track brake pads Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Another gizmo to go with the Blind spot detector<non-BMW> Re: Another gizmo to go with the Blind spot detector<non-BMW> <WTB> roundels for early BMW 3 series rims <FS> Euro E30 325i Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> new 6-series sighting (was Misguided R&D) Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:59:37 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E46 M3 track brake pads Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 3/31/04 9:18 AM, ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy wrote: > >> I have used the PF97 compound but was not >> happy with the rotor wear and metal dust from driving >> to and from events. > > ding ding ding ding. don't drive to & from events > on track pads. they don't get up to temperature > and are less effective (less safe) than street pads > and will (as you've noted) tear up the rotors as > well as wear out the pads much quicker than > in track-only use. Dissenting view: unless you use very aggressive compound track pads, or your drive to the track somehow involves a great amount of braking, it really shouldn't be a problem. I always change my pads at home and drive to the track with them, especially since I also use dedicated front rotors with my track pads. Buggered if I'm going to haul those along with everything else in the trunk! And changing pads at home affords a forced opportunity to check the brake system while you're still in a position to do something about it. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:31:55 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E46 M3 track brake pads Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:59 AM 3/31/04, Neil Maller talked about: >Dissenting view: unless you use very aggressive compound track pads, or your >drive to the track somehow involves a great amount of braking, it really >shouldn't be a problem. Count me on Neil's side of the discussion :-) I always changed pads - PF90/97 - (and front rotors) at home before going to the track with the '98 M3. Were they a bit less effective than stock when cold? Yes. Did they squeal? Yes. Was I still able to stop the car in any situation? Yes. And if they were warm from being in stop-n-go traffic, oh boy! :-) And, yes, occasionally I would even drive to/from the track on the R-compound tires. Not too big of a deal when one lives 120 miles from Laguna Seca and Thunderhill and 30 miles from Sears Point :-) And I drive the race car to/from the track as well. "Street" tires are Toyo RA-1s and the pads are Hawk Blues. A bit dicey when it's 35F out on a January morning :-), but otherwise no problems. As always, YMMV and PDCC :-) My 2 cents, Jim Bassett ---- Hardware Engineer for hire http://www.jimbassett.com/Resume1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:52:42 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might be a similar apples-oranges-pineapples situation here with your SHO & 'stang brakes as Dennis' 996 brakes. perhaps there something particular about the R-4 (or more likely the PF90's) when used in your applications. has anyone running a BMW found the same situation ? Ben John Miller wrote: > In dry-track conditions at Laguna the PF90s are in trouble after four laps > on both my SHO (3400lb, 260HP) and Mustang (3200lb, 375HP) both running > 2-piston PBR fronts on 12.5/13" rotors (SHO rear brakes don't matter, > Mustang rear brakes 12" PBRs.) > > In the Mustang I'd settled on R-4 fronts and PF90 rears, but the next time > that car hits the track it's going to have a whole lot more brake on it > anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:18:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: M Kittock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Back when I tracked my (former) 944turbo I ran the R4 without any trouble (6+ days on fronts) - keep in mind it had big 4piston Brembos. When I started driving my 328i at DE, I went through the front R4 in less than 2 days. I switched to Pagid Orange and in 3 days saw minimal wear - expecting at least another 3+ days out of them. Very satisfied - well, if they were about 50% less $$ that would make me happier :-O Mark Kittock R4 is 10 steps-down from PF90. Hawk Blue is OK, but it eats rotors up on the street. For an all around pad, look no further than Pagid Orange. You can drive it on the street without thrashing your rotors and then drive it in a race and feel confident every time you go for the pedal. This is what I run on my 89 M3 race car. Bora > John Miller wrote: > >> I've always regarded the PF90 as a good pad for easy-on-brakes tracks, or >> wet days at Laguna Seca or other brake-killer tracks, or a good rear pad in >> conjunction with something more serious in front. The R4 being the next >> step up from that, and the Hawk Blue the next step up from there. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:43:45 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bora wrote: > For an all around pad, look no further than Pagid Orange. > You can drive it on the street without thrashing your rotors > and then drive it in a race and feel confident every time > you go for the pedal. > > This is what I run on my 89 M3 race car. huh ? you tout the Orange as a good compromise street/track pad & then note that you drive it on your trailered race car ? wouldn't you sacrifice street-ability for a better performing track pad ? am I missing something ? :-) IIRC the Oranges are what the 993 big red guys were running. Ben blues on the track, R-4S or whatever's in the box on the street, drives like a grandma on the street in the track car. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:43:51 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My car is still street legal and is driven on the street once a week. You should try the pagid oranges and then let me know. Bora > > Bora wrote: > >> For an all around pad, look no further than Pagid Orange. >> You can drive it on the street without thrashing your rotors >> and then drive it in a race and feel confident every time >> you go for the pedal. >> >> This is what I run on my 89 M3 race car. > > huh ? you tout the Orange as a good compromise > street/track pad & then note that you drive it on > your trailered race car ? wouldn't you sacrifice > street-ability for a better performing track pad ? > > am I missing something ? :-) > > IIRC the Oranges are what the 993 big red guys > were running. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:29:03 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Another gizmo to go with the Blind spot detector<non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can picture it now. Driver wrecks car because he is confused when Blind Spot Detector and Lane Departure Warning System alarm at the same time while changing lanes. This will be on BMWs in a couple of years...... Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze some Volvos other cars Infiniti to offer lane-departure warning system Reuters / March 31, 2004 DETROIT -- The Infiniti division of Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. will offer a lane-departure warning system on some of its passenger cars in the United States this year, in a safety move touted as an industry first. The lane-departure system, developed jointly by auto parts maker Valeo and Iteris Inc., is a so-called "smart car" device aimed at detecting driver error and preventing one of the most common causes of highway accidents. Nissan North America announced the feature in a statement early Wednesday, saying it would be offered on 2005 models of Infiniti's FX SUV and on a new M45 luxury sedan. The device, a small unit including a microprocessor and camera hidden behind the rearview mirror, tracks visible lane markings and alerts the driver with a warning signal when the vehicle is drifting out of its lane. It is temporarily disabled by driver activation of the vehicle's turn signals, however, and can be turned off with a manual switch when desired. "Studies show that 55 percent of fatal accidents in the U.S. are caused by lane departure," Robert Yakushi, Nissan North America's public safety director, said in the statement. Driver distraction, inattention or drowsiness are among the leading causes of unintended lane changes, he added. Iteris, a unit of Iteris Holdings Inc. of Anaheim, Calif., and a leading provider of outdoor vision systems and sensors, has previously developed lane-departure warning systems for the commercial long-haul truck industry. But it said the device to be offered by Infiniti was the first of its kind that will be made available on passenger cars in the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another gizmo to go with the Blind spot detector<non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As if the BONK BONK BONK from driving over the lane-separating reflectors wasn't enough. . . :-) Brad Couvillon --- Bill Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Infiniti to offer lane-departure warning system __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:08:51 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <WTB> roundels for early BMW 3 series rims Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am looking for eight of the little roundels for the four bolt spoked rims that came on the 320i. The roundel sticks to a small round chrome piece. I believe this same size roundel logo was also used for early E30 318's and such. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:57:37 -0500 From: "Weimer, Matt J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <FS> Euro E30 325i Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For Sale to a good home: 1986 Euro 325i w/64k miles. It is cinnabar/black vinyl, 5 speed, 3.73 LSD, short shift with all new bushings/linkage, Euro H&R sport springs, Bilstein sports, stainless brake lines, rebuilt front calipers with new Hawk HPS pads and new factory rotors, new rear calipers with new Metal Master pads and new factory rotors, every rear suspension bushing new, new timing belt/tensioner, water pump, all hoses under the hood (coolant, fuel, etc.), Ronal ACT-LS 15x7.5" wheels with Dunlop SP8000's....the list of maintenance/updates goes on and on. The car is unbelievably clean and tight, weighs significantly less that a U.S. E30 plus all of the cool Euro parts are intact without a DOT/EPA conversion hack job. I am asking $6800 or best offer. If you know of anyone in your area interested in a cool E30 please point them my way, it would make a great weekend/school car. I have pictures available if anyone is interested. Matt Weimer Hoosier Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Gary Derian wrote: > You don't need those mirrors for BMWs. You can get Euro spec mirrors that > are convex. Wow, who would have figured: flame-surfaced mirrors! :-) --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:39:47 -0800 From: Greg Cagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andre Yew said the following on 3/31/2004 1:26 PM: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Gary Derian wrote: > >>You don't need those mirrors for BMWs. You can get Euro spec mirrors that >>are convex. > > > Wow, who would have figured: flame-surfaced mirrors! :-) 8^) Actually I have the euro mirrors on both sides of my car, and they help a lot. And they don't have the "Objects in Mirror" wording on the passenger side, FWIW. - Greg -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new 6-series sighting (was Misguided R&D) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Marco Romani wrote: > To try and bring this back to BMWC - has anyone seen the new 6er yet? > So far it is the best of the Bangle era. In black it's gorgeous. I saw a white one the other day on the road. I didn't get a close look at it, but for my tastes, it seems too tight and constrained. I prefer the more extravagant, overflowing curves of the more extroverted flame-surfaced designs. Every time I see a Z4 on the road, it's hard to keep my eyes on the road. The new 5s aren't that bad either, and one can definitely see the evolutionary steps it took from the E39 from all sides. The 7s also have their moments. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Misguided R&D: Blind Spot Detector <non-BMW> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, willie yeo wrote: > I almost ran over a motorcycle couple months back. In > LA, bikers zip between lanes especially during traffic > jams. In stop and go traffic, I did a quick check on > my side mirror to make sure no one is in the blind > spot. But that is not sufficient when the bikes are > moving a lot faster. Now I check my rearview mirror > first. Yes: a useful acronym my (street) driving instructor told me when I was learning to drive was "SMOG": Signal, Mirror (ie. rear view mirror, not side mirrors), (look) Over the shoulder, and Go. For vehicles coming with high closing speeds, just looking over one's shoulders or looking at correctly set side mirrors won't give you all the information you need. You need to look at the central rear view mirror first. > Oh..occasionally you will see bikers poping a wheelie on the carpool > lanes during rush hours going 60-70 mph.. I wonder if those are just the crotch rockets doing it. Some of the crazy ones like the 1-liter Suzuki and Yamaha superbikes have to be shortshifted as far up as 4th gear, otherwise they will pop wheelies even at very high speeds. It's kind of scary how much performance you can get in a bike, and how easy it is to buy it. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:39 -0800 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: R-4 > PF9x > Blue > HT-10 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > R4 is 10 steps-down from PF90. Hawk Blue is OK, but it eats rotors up > on the street. I'd suspect you must be referring to the R4S, not the R4. John. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
