The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 105 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: 1 series emissions Re: 1 Series FW: Car Fax Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series Was: 1 series Now: Mazdaspeed Miata Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Off-topic ...IX AWD parts needed 1989 325iX up on Ebay! Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series - RX-8 Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series - RX-8 Re: 1 series Re: 1 series
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:05:44 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 1 series emissions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > per this week's Autoweek they're working on a new > 2.2l 6 for the car, but we won't get anything until 2006 : > <http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&content_code=0870 0284> The new 180 bhp 2.2 6 will be a replacement for the current 170 bhp 2.2 6, part of the current M54 engine family. All of these new-generation sixes will have direct injection, apparently. I read also that BMW has trademarked 125i and 130i for the US market. And Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After playing every link I could find on the website, I'm disappointed. > A 2 liter 8 valve with 318i (E30) injection, a bigger throttle, and > proper retuning will give 150 reliable hp. On paper the marvel of > modern engineering the 1 series is supposed to get should make at least > 170 warranteeable 87 octane hp, over 200 with aftermarket tuning and > premium gas. But the emissions and economy will be shot to hell. Low emissions are as much a part of BMW's engineering ethos as anything else. Interestingly (for those who follow it) neither petrol engine has Valvetronic. I wonder if BMW is ditching this technology, as its benefits are becoming outweighed by drawbacks? The modern diesels are some way ahead in terms of power and economy (although even their most zealous proponents will admit that for refinement they are still some way off beam). > Are there sources for specs on this car? Weight? Tire/Wheel sizes? Try the BMW GB sites. The base model weight is 1,205 kg, including 68 kg of driver, 7 kg of luggage, and a full tank. The diesels will probably be 100 kg more, as they are with the 3er. Standard tyre size is 195/55 R16; optional is 205/50 R17. All runflats. Oh goody :). > Looks like an E46 redress of the 318ti Well, it really doesn't look much like the E46 318ti, itself no looker as you will have seen from Ben's link... > from this multimedia preview, > looks like there's a lot missing. The first on-road review suggests that it is terrific to drive, and goes straight to the top of the class. Driver satisfaction must count for something - Or are we all still too obsessed by i-Drive? Andy T '03 318i 2.0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:37:48 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 Series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "Messages in this Issue: Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: 1 series Re: Official 1-series pictures Re: Official 1-series pictures Re: Official 1-series pictures" Now that's GOT to be a record :) Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:03:03 -0600 From: "Roberts, Clarence H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: Car Fax Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Can anyone help me with a complete Car fax for WBABS53472JU91093? I > checked the abbreviated free version and it indicates nine entries. I > want to buy the car but that has my curiosity piqued. > > Thanks > > Bob Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:57:59 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > How 'bout > Mitsu Eclipse nope. coupe, not hatch. it has a hatch, but then again so does the Corvette & the 350Z, neither of which are hatches in anyone's eyes. > Mercedes C230 Sport Coupe see - it has "coupe" right in the name :-) also starts 20% higher than the Mini in price. > Hyundai Tibouron (V6) coupe. > Scooby WRX & wagon (hey, same price) four doors, not a hatch. (then again the Neon & Mazda3 hatches are also four doors, but they're hatches, not wagons) > That's a dozen or so. I think everybody knew I really didn't mean 50. in Europe there probably are, but here there just aren't many traditional hatches. > I think you're on to something that most Americans don't distinguish between > small & smaller cars. I think that it's reasonable that the Cooper (which > could be equated with nearly any small car) & the CooperS will be > cross-shopped with all the cars listed at some point or another as they are > all (reasonably so) in the same price range. maybe only because they're small, fun-ish cars, not because they're really the same thing as the Mini. I'd be curious to see what other cars Mini buyers cross-shopped. I bet a huge number of them saw a Mini & said "I want one of those. Let me get my checkbook out start paying for it." > Fact is that the MINI doesn't really offer that much that you can't find in > some of these other cars. none of them even come close to approaching the image that people are buying with the Mini & it's driving experience. > Anyway, my point was that I could care less to see the MINI go or stay. > Initally, I thought it was kinda cool & have to admit that currently, it's > BY A LONG FREAKIN SHOT the best looking thing coming out of > BMW dealers. I actually like the dark Cooper S with the white stripes > & fog lamps. Then I drove one......they have good steering & that's it. > It's got a cramped, cheap-feeling interior. I finally realized that Neil was > right about the way they crammed all that crap under the hood--what > a mess. All this while still weighing more than an E30! you think an E30 built to today's safety standards wouldn't weigh 3k or more ? I do. the interior isn't the most expensive thing on the car, but it is what it is. it drives well for what it is & is a lot of fun, it's just not terribly fast & it isn't RWD, which for most of us makes it a non-starter. underhood appearance & serviceability matter to 0.1% of the buying population & if you think otherwise you're being silly. > Sure they're selling well, but I think it's more because of the retro thing > than anything else. I think in a few years this whole MINI thing will be a > distant memory. nope. the Mini brand is here to stay & they'll expand it with the next generation. they've built a very strong following in very little time and have a very good product. they're not going anywhere & it's likely that the lack of the 1-series in our market is to protect the Mini brand more than because of lack of confidence it the 1 as a product. I don't see the Mini brand being anything about "retro" at all in the US market, since the younger demographic they're marketing to have no clue about the car's heritage & couldn't care less. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, ben keyes wrote: > four doors, not a hatch. (then again the Neon & Mazda3 > hatches are also four doors, but they're hatches, not wagons) Since when is a neon a hatch back? Its a four door sedan... How about the Matrix/Vibe? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:06:19 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > I heard something or other about a Mazdaspeed Miata > turbo......hehehehe I'd forget BMW even existed for a gadget like that! > Lightweight, good looks, gobs of power & Japanese reliability....who could > refuse it. Hell, the normally aspirated Miatas are SOOOOOO much fun to > drive. not really. look for a few reviews of the car. it's only got 178hp and isn't any lighter, so it's not really that fast. it is extremely cheap tho, as the turbo and some other chassis & appearance changes to the car only add around $1,500 to the price of the NA version. if gobs of power is what you want, then get a '94-'97 Miata & add a turbo to it. for ~$10k you can have something like 200hp (forget if it's crank or at the wheels, either way it's enough) and a significantly lighter package then the current car. > The autoshow was recently in Atlanta. The R32 is a cool-looking little > gizmo and has been extremely well received by the automotive press. tho even the VW Vortex guys decided that both the Evo & STi were better performance choices for the same money, with the R32 winning only on refinement & craftsmanship IIRC. nice car, but still a nose-heavy FWD VW, albeit a nice one. > FWIW, the best designed vehicle I saw for doing basic & intensive > maintenance was the Tundra. and 99.9% of the buyers could care less. people who work on their cars are not considered one iota in the design process. cars are designed for ease (and lowest cost) of manufacturing, then serviceability by the dealer. since they'll all have non-user serviceable modules & codes we can't read with out dealer equipment there's no reason to give a hoot about whether we like the way things are put together under the hood. I still suspect that we'll get a high performance 2 series at some point in 2006, maybe even at a reasonable price, but it would take a lot of performance to get me out of the STi, esp considering the utility that it's size provides. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:20:00 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The MazdaSpeed Miata is $26,020 MSRP w/o leather ($24,048 invoice). 6.7 seconds 0-60, 15.2 (1/4 mi) You can get them for less than MSRP and Mazda is doing 3.9% for 60 months on them. That is not SLOW, but I would stick a few more bucks with it and get an S2000 $33,260 ($29,965) - xenons and leather,power convertible top. 5.4 0-60, 14.1 (1/4 mi). These can be had real close to INVOICE now or get a used one. Another option would be the 350z roadster (enthusiast) $34,410 ($31,865) w/ xenons and stability control as well, power top (?) 5.4 (0-60), 14.1 (1/4 mi) There are more non-drop-top choices like the RX-8, WRX, EVO, etc. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black 01 S2000 red At 03:06 PM 03/25/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Lee wrote: > > > I heard something or other about a Mazdaspeed Miata > > turbo......hehehehe I'd forget BMW even existed for a gadget like that! > > Lightweight, good looks, gobs of power & Japanese reliability....who could > > refuse it. Hell, the normally aspirated Miatas are SOOOOOO much fun to > > drive. > >not really. look for a few reviews of the car. it's only got 178hp and isn't >any >lighter, so it's not really that fast. it is extremely cheap tho, as the >turbo >and some other chassis & appearance changes to the car only add around >$1,500 to the price of the NA version. if gobs of power is what you want, >then get a '94-'97 Miata & add a turbo to it. for ~$10k you can have >something like 200hp (forget if it's crank or at the wheels, either way it's >enough) >and a significantly lighter package then the current car. > > > The autoshow was recently in Atlanta. The R32 is a cool-looking little > > gizmo > >and has been extremely well received by the automotive press. tho >even the VW Vortex guys decided that both the Evo & STi were >better performance choices for the same money, with the R32 winning >only on refinement & craftsmanship IIRC. nice car, but still a nose-heavy >FWD VW, albeit a nice one. > > > FWIW, the best designed vehicle I saw for doing basic & intensive > > maintenance was the Tundra. > >and 99.9% of the buyers could care less. people who work on their >cars are not considered one iota in the design process. cars are designed >for ease (and lowest cost) of manufacturing, then serviceability by the >dealer. >since they'll all have non-user serviceable modules & codes we can't read >with out dealer equipment there's no reason to give a hoot about whether >we like the way things are put together under the hood. > >I still suspect that we'll get a high performance 2 series at some point >in 2006, maybe even at a reasonable price, but it would take a lot >of performance to get me out of the STi, esp considering the utility >that it's size provides. > > >Ben > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:15:26 -0500 From: "Rueda, Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Was: 1 series Now: Mazdaspeed Miata Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee, Here you go (178HP Mazdaspeed Miata): <http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7868> Cheers, Luis '99 MCoupe (faster than me) '95 M3 (lots of go-fast goodies) '86 325i (still being sorted out) '86 325e (fun daily driver) '98 CBR900RR (the faster one) ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:02:00 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mazda is making some pretty cool stuff. I wish the Rx-8 didn't look funny & have those silly doors. I heard something or other about a Mazdaspeed Miata turbo......hehehehe I'd forget BMW even existed for a gadget like that! Lightweight, good looks, gobs of power & Japanese reliability....who could refuse it. Hell, the normally aspirated Miatas are SOOOOOO much fun to drive. Lee 88 M3->Jnothing, not nice enough to drive everyday either 01 Saab 9-3SE->please god let a tree fall on this or have it stolen or something..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- From: Robinson, Lee SNIP Anyway, my point was that I could care less to see the MINI go or stay. Initally, I thought it was kinda cool & have to admit that currently, it's BY A LONG FREAKIN SHOT the best looking thing coming out of BMW dealers. I actually like the dark Cooper S with the white stripes & fog lamps. Then I drove one......they have good steering & that's it. It's got a cramped, cheap-feeling interior. SNIP I think in a few years this whole MINI thing will be a distant memory. Lee ================================================== I hafta agree. When the MINI was announced I got on the waiting list and couldn't wait. Then I took a ride and was sadly disappointed. The car I drove was a Cooper S with Sport Package and it rode *really* rough. I was not impressed with the engine and the interior seemed plain stupid. Oh well. Guess I'm an old f**t. Jon<----still driving E34 535i/5sp __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:51:17 -0800 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "2002digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E21 Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Patzer, Dan Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Off-topic ...IX AWD parts needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friend here in mid-south Tenn bought his son an 89 or so 325IX for a bargain price ...and the bargain has bit his butt ...the usual IX problii with parts wearing out in the AWD transfer box leading to spenderacious noises . So all you 'pick a parters ' and fellow cognoscentii ......do you know of such a beast that may have suffered terminal impact or cancer but still has its running/walking/crawling gear intact ?? ..Or the appropriate transfer box castings etc to make his loud noises go away ?? If said vehicle or parts are within a days drive (or so ) of Nashville so much the better . He has a collection of dead presidents pictures (all in green ink ) to offer in trade ... Emails off digest please Bill & Shirley Proud Seattle Summers , Tennessee Winters . Long Commute between , ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:41:48 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW UUC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 1989 325iX up on Ebay! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Folks, I've posted my '89 325iX up on Ebay, gotta sell it so no reserve price on the auction, it must go! Feel free to email with questions. Thanks. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd= 1&item=2469417792 Jack Money '89 325iX...for sale! '95 M3 #86 CM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:32:52 -0600 From: "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series - RX-8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I test drove a RX-8 last weekend. The dealer tossed me the keys, told me to take a nice long drive, and go as fast as I wanted :) Wow, I haven't been allowed solo on a test drive for many, many years. Oh, and the RX-8 was a blast to drive. No cushy, luxury, fat, quiet 'sport sedan'. Yep, 4 doors, but within 5 minutes I was feeling like I was in my (former) 944turbo. Keep in mind my E36 328i has H&R sports, Turner sway bars, etc, and it definitly not "cushy" anymore. The RX-8 gave a lot more feedback, more connected to the road. Anyway, there isn't much torque down low like in the 328i, but sure is fun to wind out to 9000 RPM! Great sounds, too. This is #1 on my wish list as a daily driver (and then make the 328i even more a track car...). Looks? Yea, love it or hate it. I love it. I loved the M coupe also. Don't like the 1-series, though (nor the new Z4, 5, or 7). Sat in a new 5 at the auto show - can you believe there isn't a temp gauge anymore?!? Maybe its electronic. Much less driver environment and more gadget central. Mark Kittock '96 328i sport, many mods >> > There are more non-drop-top choices like the RX-8, WRX, EVO, etc. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:36:47 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MazdaSpeed Miata, R32, 1-series - RX-8 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The RX-8 is a sweet car. I was disappointed when I found I could not fit in the back seat with the driver's seat set for me (I am only 5' 8"). Also on the touring or GT models with the sunroof my hair hit the liner (not my head, but my hair) - this was with the seat all the way down. With the base model (with sports pack and no roof) there is more room. IF I could have made the back seat work I was thinking about it as a daily driver. You should go score a test drive in an S2000. Same 9k redline (OK, less for a MY04) - not as smooooooth as the rotary, but the top drops and it is like driving a go cart. I was able to test in a used one (CPO at a Honda dealer) so I was able to redline the car to see what it would do. I loved it so much I bought one (but not that one). Dennis At 10:32 PM 03/25/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I test drove a RX-8 last weekend. The dealer tossed me the keys, told me >to take a nice long drive, and go as fast as I wanted :) Wow, I haven't >been allowed solo on a test drive for many, many years. Oh, and the RX-8 >was a blast to drive. No cushy, luxury, fat, quiet 'sport sedan'. Yep, 4 >doors, but within 5 minutes I was feeling like I was in my (former) >944turbo. Keep in mind my E36 328i has H&R sports, Turner sway bars, etc, >and it definitly not "cushy" anymore. The RX-8 gave a lot more feedback, >more connected to the road. Anyway, there isn't much torque down low like >in the 328i, but sure is fun to wind out to 9000 RPM! Great sounds, too. >This is #1 on my wish list as a daily driver (and then make the 328i even >more a track car...). > >Looks? Yea, love it or hate it. I love it. I loved the M coupe also. >Don't like the 1-series, though (nor the new Z4, 5, or 7). Sat in a new 5 >at the auto show - can you believe there isn't a temp gauge anymore?!? >Maybe its electronic. Much less driver environment and more gadget central. > >Mark Kittock >'96 328i sport, many mods > > > >> > > There are more non-drop-top choices like the RX-8, WRX, EVO, etc. > > > > > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:13:52 +0200 From: Werner Gillmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well I am selling my e36 323i and getting a new Mini Cooper for a daily driver and buying a 2nd hand cheap E30 to gut completly and turn into a race car. Thing with the Mini is, it's LOADS of fun, I have driven much faster cars, probarly better handlers aswell, but never had so much fun in any other car than what I had in the Mini. On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 17:09, ben keyes wrote: > Lee wrote: > > > > Where does MINI fit into all of this ? > > > > Who cares? Like there's not 50 other small FWD cars that fit into this > > performance niche, or will blow the Cooper S's doors off. > > well actually there aren't. I count : > Neon SR-T4 > Civic Si (maybe, tho not judged to be anything close to as much fun) > Focus SVT (no longer for sale) > Celica GTS (not a hatch really, more of a coupe) > GTI (heavy, expensive, slow) > RSX (coupe again) > Redline Ion (coupe again) > Mazda3 > > of this list I'd say that the Neon & Mazda3 are the only ones which > are traditional hatches & the Neon the only one with any real sporting > aspirations. the Mazda will get faster then they do the inevitable > MazdaSpeed version (esp if it's AWD) but the at the moment the Mini > is nearly alone in it's class. > > it's entirely possible that BMW are sensitive to taking market share > away from the Mini with a 1-series hatch. in Europe the 1-series is > targeted at the C segment (Focus, Golf, Astra, Megane, A3, etc) > where the Mini plays to the smaller B segment (Fiesta, Clio, Punto, > Polo, 106, C3), even tho it's pricing is higher than a lot of the larger > competitors. here in the US there isn't nearly the differentiation in > small cars, since to 99% of the population there's no difference > between the smallness of a Mini & that of a Golf or Focus, esp > as compared to the fleets of SUV's & trucks on the road. the other > problem is pricing, since they would have to figure out how to slot > the 1 into the $7k range between the top Mini's and the bottom of the > E46 range. > > > > Ben > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:20:15 -0800 From: C Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Our excursion has one of the best diesels currently for > sale in the US. 6.0 Powerstroke I know of a guy locally with a big Ford F350 diesel. 4x4, crew cab, lifted, long bed, gawd only knows how much it weighs. Runs 11.42 @ 118. No kidding. Funny thing is, the way I understand it is that before he was running 11's he got tired of breaking his PowerStroke, so he swapped in an entire Dodge Cummins engine and driveline. Just thought is was humorous. :o) -- Corey Sattler 99 AvusBlau 318ti Sport BMWCCA# 327137 -=- ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
