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Volume 2 : Issue 397 : "text" Format

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  Re: <E36 2-door> Window motor  (somewhat OT, long)
  <OT> tidy tidbit
  Re: <E30> Stroker Motor
  <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
  Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
  Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
  Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
  Re: <E30> Floormats
  Pre-cat 02 sensors - slow response; replace?
  Re: Pre-cat 02 sensors - slow response; replace?

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Date: 14 Oct 2004 13:54:51 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E36 2-door> Window motor  (somewhat OT, long)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Very much on topic, IMO.  I don't have the answer to the polarity
question, but I do have a couple of comments on E36 window motors and
doors.

E36 window motors are notoriously fragile.  And the R&R on a 2-door
car is especially annoying (it's easier on a 4-door).  I struggled
to replace the outer door handle on a 318is and gave up when I realized 
I really did need to remove the glass to get the door handle in and out, 
thus mandating the 29-step window procedure in the Bentley manual.  I 
put the mess back together and gladly paid my shop to get it right.

Curt Ingraham
Oakland, CA

Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> The passenger side front window motor on my 94 325ic failed recently, so I pulled it 
> out to see if I could revive it.  Evidently fine German engineering doesn't embrace 
> concepts like "Bolt the motor to the regulator from the inboard side so R&R consists 
> of removing and replacing 3 fasteners" instead opting for "Step 1 Remove the glass, 
> Step 2 Remove the regulator, Step 3 Unbolt the motor from the regulator."   I was 
> also amused that the procedure to remove the regulator as described by Bentley 
> requires placing the window in about half a dozen positions to get at all the 
> fasteners which is useful only to someone replacing a properly functioning motor for 
> entertainment.   Anyway, I managed to get the motor out and took it apart.  I freed 
> up the gear, which was stuck, and reassembled it.  Plugged it in and voila! the 
> motor runs.  Reassembled everything and discovered much to my dismay that the 
> polarity is now reversed - pressing the up switch makes the window go down and vice!
 v!
> ersa.  Of course this also screws up the window drop feature (don't get me started 
> on the fine German engineering behind that!) both when opening the door and when 
> lowering the soft top.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: <OT> tidy tidbit
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Kevin:

Many years ago (Welty List) Steve gave a humourous
account of when he went home to his wife after getting
laid off from Adobe.  His wife said something like,
"Wow, you always manage to get the summer off."  IIRC,
Adobe hired him back a short while later and he put
out a hiring message on the list, IIRC.  I've always
associated him with the PDF stuff after that.

Neil Deshpande

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If next time you're launching Adobe's reader watch the
scroll at the bottom of the Adobe window. None other
than our Steve Albrecht is listed in the credits.

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:45:10 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E30> Stroker Motor
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Kevin, there is a Yahoo group dedicated to discussions of modifications to
the M20 motor.  Visit them at:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/mod_m20/

Bunches of folks there have done different variations on the M20 stroker
motor, so they should be able to answer your questions.

Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA

>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:46:21 -0700
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: <E30> Stroker Motor
>Message-ID: <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>My son and I are exploring some directions on getting more power from the
>M20 motor. Two questions come to mind if we go the stroked motor route.
>
>1. Does the cat have to be sized up or can it handle the flow from a motor
>with more capacity? The car needs to pass Calif. smog testing or it
becomes
>a pain in the pa-tu-ty to get it registered.
>
>2. Does the motor remain inherently "balanced". That is to say, do the
>harmonics remain in the same relative positions such that the harmonic
>balancer stays the same?
>
>Tanks ladies and gents.
>
>-Kevin




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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:44:37 -0400
From: "Brandon T. Lindley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I figure it's about time to refresh some of the suspension components in 
my '93 325ic -- she just doesn't drive like she used to. I'm looking for 
suggestions of particular spring and strut/shock combinations that work 
well for the convertible. I autocross the car as well as use it for my 
daily driver, so I'd like something that improves the handling (less 
body roll, a bit crisper response, etc.) but doesn't make the ride too 
harsh. Perhaps an impossible request, but I thought I'd ask. I'd just be 
surprised if the stock set-up is really ideal. If you have any ideas, 
especially ones you've experimented with, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Brandon
'93 325ic (too similar to a wet noodle now)

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:33:30 -0500
From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bilstein comfort and stock springs...replace ALL rubber bushings
including spring pads.
You wanna auto-x seriously? Get an M3. 
Enjoy the convertible for what it's for. To stiffen it up for the rare
auto-x event is to suffer the car the rest of the year.
BTDT with my '85 BaurTC

Remember the car is already wearing the "is" pieces. You could go with
factory shocks. (as I did with my '86 "es" but they where just re-valved
bilstein HD's softened up. I should have bought "off-the-shelf" Bilstein
HD's and would have gotten closer to what I wanted...but remember that
was a hard top.
Go buy a set of the euro-only 15" BBS M-tech package wheels, a better
upgrade IMO.
I would CAUTIOUSLY say Bilstein HD's are a good way to go but they would
make your chassis "jiggle-a-little"

Or go get a set of fully adjustable coil-overs for $4k!! LOL

Paul A. Garnier
Systems Integration
FastNetworking



-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon T. Lindley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [UUC] <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?


I figure it's about time to refresh some of the suspension components in

my '93 325ic -- she just doesn't drive like she used to. I'm looking for

suggestions of particular spring and strut/shock combinations that work 
well for the convertible. I autocross the car as well as use it for my 
daily driver, so I'd like something that improves the handling (less 
body roll, a bit crisper response, etc.) but doesn't make the ride too 
harsh. Perhaps an impossible request, but I thought I'd ask. I'd just be

surprised if the stock set-up is really ideal. If you have any ideas, 
especially ones you've experimented with, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Brandon
'93 325ic (too similar to a wet noodle now)
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:34:19 -0500
From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

OOPS! Wrong chassis! ROFL

Paul A. Garnier <- asleep @ the kyb!!
Systems Integration
FastNetworking
281-827-0725 cell/pgr



-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon T. Lindley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [UUC] <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?


I figure it's about time to refresh some of the suspension components in

my '93 325ic -- she just doesn't drive like she used to. I'm looking for

suggestions of particular spring and strut/shock combinations that work 
well for the convertible. I autocross the car as well as use it for my 
daily driver, so I'd like something that improves the handling (less 
body roll, a bit crisper response, etc.) but doesn't make the ride too 
harsh. Perhaps an impossible request, but I thought I'd ask. I'd just be

surprised if the stock set-up is really ideal. If you have any ideas, 
especially ones you've experimented with, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Brandon
'93 325ic (too similar to a wet noodle now)
Search the
ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]


________________________________________________________________________
__
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW
CCA.

UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 .
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:03:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Brandon,
I don't know if it's true for the E30 325ic, but for my E36 325ic there are *no* 
aftermarket springs available that maintain stock ride height.  Turner and other 
vendors advised me that near-stock ride height aftermarket springs (Such as H&R OE 
Sports) for 325is applications would not sit right on the ic.  I already had a set of 
Bilstein HDs that I couldn't return when I discovered that 3 of my stock springs were 
broken and ended up having to buy new springs from the dealer at about twice the cost 
of a set of H&Rs.  Moral of the story: get Bilstein Sports or a comparable shock 
designed for lowering springs.  Since you're looking for better handling and less body 
roll you'll want a lowering spring anyway.  While you're in there replace the rear 
shock mounts with your choice of aftermarket RSM.  The stockers are notorious for 
their short life.

Brian
'94 325ic
-----Original Message-----
From: "Brandon T. Lindley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 14, 2004 11:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [UUC]  <E30> Suspension upgrade for 325ic?

I figure it's about time to refresh some of the suspension components in 
my '93 325ic -- she just doesn't drive like she used to. I'm looking for 
suggestions of particular spring and strut/shock combinations that work 
well for the convertible. I autocross the car as well as use it for my 
daily driver, so I'd like something that improves the handling (less 
body roll, a bit crisper response, etc.) but doesn't make the ride too 
harsh. Perhaps an impossible request, but I thought I'd ask. I'd just be 
surprised if the stock set-up is really ideal. If you have any ideas, 
especially ones you've experimented with, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,
Brandon
'93 325ic (too similar to a wet noodle now)



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:53:59 -0400
From: Steve Lilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E30> Floormats
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Paul asked:
> Hi all, I need to buy a set of mats....
> Any aftermarket mats worthy of consideration?

Hi Paul,

I recently bought a set of Berber floormats for my wife's Benz,
and I like them so much I'm considering a set for my E46.  They
look great, and at least in the Benz's case, they fit really well.
The texture is great, because it doesn't show the dirt like the
OEM mats do.  I'd definitely ad them to your list of contenders,
but at $120 per set, I suspect they are more expensive than OEM
floormats.  Best prices I've found are at Bavarian Autosport:

<http://www.bavauto.com/se1.asp?dept_id=370>

Regards,
Steve
2004 330i ZHP w/ ugly, dirty stock mats
1998 MB E320 Wagon w/ aftermarket Berber mats
1998 Volvo V70XC Wagon w/ OEM Berber-looking mats



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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:06:15 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pre-cat 02 sensors - slow response; replace?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Folks -

   Threw a CEL on way home from drivers school at BeaveRun.  My trusty Peake gizmo 
told me it was due to slow reponse time from the pre-cat O2 sensor on cylinders 1 - 3. 
 Since clearing the code, the CEL has not reappeared.  Should I go ahead and replace 
both pre-cat 02 sensors or hold off?? My 99 M Coupe has 62,000 miles.  Thanks.

Neil Simon
99 M Coupe
DC tags "MDORPHN"

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:08:37 -0700
From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pre-cat 02 sensors - slow response; replace?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>    Threw a CEL on way home from drivers school at BeaveRun.  My trusty Peake gizmo 
> told me it was due to slow reponse time from the pre-cat O2 sensor on cylinders 1 - 
> 3.  Since clearing the code, the CEL has not reappeared.  Should I go ahead and 
> replace both pre-cat 02 sensors or hold off?? My 99 M Coupe has 62,000 miles.  
> Thanks.

IMO, I'd hold off until the same code comes back (if?). It's possible
that the error was a one time thing and not indicative that the sensor
needs replacing. But OBD-II has to throw a CEL for *everything*, no
matter how minor or brief. And there's something like half-dozen to a
dozen O2 sensor parameters that get monitored, anyway.

My usual approach to these issues is to do what you have done, read the
code, note it and reset the CEL. Then, if the same code comes back,
start thinking about replacing the component (which I usually get
around to by the 3rd CEL occurance :-)). In a few instances, the CEL
never came back on for the fault, and I chalked it up to a monemtary
glitch.

My 2 cents,
Jim Bassett
1998 M3/4 - ODB-II, ugh :-)
1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - ODB-I, thank Dog :-)


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