On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:25:55 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who teach on > >> the evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as Rorty said. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a good summary of Plato. Hirsschberger sum up Plato by saying > > that the God of Plato is Truth. Not the one we make public, but the > > one we search. > > > > Now, all my life I have got the feeling that Plato is dismissed, and > > badly seen, notably in opposition to Aristotle. But Aristotle did not > > understood Plato, except in a curious passage of the “metaphysics” > > where he seems to suddenly got the point, and seems to come back to > > Plato without saying (but that is an optimistic reading of Aristotle’s > > metaphysics, To be sure I found some scholars who saw that too, like > > Gerson. > > > > That "truth is God" makes sense for a computationalist, because > > “truth” when encompassing the description of a machine at its correct > > substitution level, is no more definable by that machine. Yes, Truth, > > and semantics, is very much like the platonician notion of God. You > > force me to agree with Rorty on this! > > > > At the same time Rorty said,"Truth is like God" he was a "strict > atheist". He was also a pragmatist, meaning he thought the measure of > truth was solely whether it worked. So I'd gather that Rorty didn't > think that "truth" was very useful idea; which is confirmed by him being > called an "ironist" by his friends. > > Brent >
He was called a "boring" atheist. http://www.pragmatismtoday.eu/summer2012/Madzia-Richard_Rorty_An_Ethics_for_Today_Finding_Common_Ground_between_Philosophy_and_Religion.pdf *Danny Postel once wrote that Richard Rorty can be* *probably best described as a "boring atheist.” Now, can* *we hear anything interesting about religion from a* *boring atheist? In the case of Rorty, we surely can, at* *least in two respects: a) by reading his papers on religion* *we can get a picture of his opinions on the role of* *religious experience in the lives of human beings that is* *far from trivial; b) by using "redescription” as Rorty’s* *most powerful weapon in advancing our intellectual and* *moral standards, we can reformulate some of his ideas* *as being able to enter a conversation with the kind of* *thinking known as postmodern Christianity (or weak* *theology being its instance). Rorty’s atheism definitely* *does not fall into the same category as the atheism of* *Richard Dawkins or Daniel Dennett. Rorty seems to* *perfectly understand the broadness of religious* *experience and its various contexts, although, for* *himself, religion is not a live option. His growing* *willingness to enter into debate with religion, as we saw* *it in the last several years of his life, is supposedly an* *inevitable conclusion of contentions published in his* *earlier papers where he called religion a "conversationstopper.” * *It may well be the case that religion sometimes* *is a conversation-stopper, but as Rorty himself holds, it is * *our (philosophers’) responsibility to maintain the* *discussion even with these sometimes "unwilling” forms* *of discourse. Since we know that when discussion* *ceases, other forms of persuasion come into play, we* *must make sure it will carry on. * *Rorty: On Truth* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzynRPP9XkY - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
