On 1/12/2019 3:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:25:55 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
>> Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who
teach on
>> the evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as Rorty said.
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> That is a good summary of Plato. Hirsschberger sum up Plato by
saying
> that the God of Plato is Truth. Not the one we make public, but the
> one we search.
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> Now, all my life I have got the feeling that Plato is dismissed,
and
> badly seen, notably in opposition to Aristotle. But Aristotle
did not
> understood Plato, except in a curious passage of the “metaphysics”
> where he seems to suddenly got the point, and seems to come back to
> Plato without saying (but that is an optimistic reading of
Aristotle’s
> metaphysics, To be sure I found some scholars who saw that too,
like
> Gerson.
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> That "truth is God" makes sense for a computationalist, because
> “truth” when encompassing the description of a machine at its
correct
> substitution level, is no more definable by that machine. Yes,
Truth,
> and semantics, is very much like the platonician notion of God. You
> force me to agree with Rorty on this!
>
At the same time Rorty said,"Truth is like God" he was a "strict
atheist". He was also a pragmatist, meaning he thought the
measure of
truth was solely whether it worked. So I'd gather that Rorty didn't
think that "truth" was very useful idea; which is confirmed by him
being
called an "ironist" by his friends.
Brent
He was called a "boring" atheist.
By Danny Postel. But from Habermas:/
His colleague Jürgen Habermas's obituary for Rorty points out that
Rorty's contrasting childhood experiences, such as beautiful orchids
versus reading a book in his parents' house that defended Leon Trotsky
against Stalin, created an early interest in philosophy. He describes
Rorty as an ironist://
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//"Nothing is sacred to Rorty the ironist. Asked at the end of his life
about the 'holy',*the strict atheist* answered with words reminiscent of
the young Hegel: 'My sense of the holy is bound up with the hope that
some day my remote descendants will live in a global civilization in
which love is pretty much the only law.'[6]"/
Brent
http://www.pragmatismtoday.eu/summer2012/Madzia-Richard_Rorty_An_Ethics_for_Today_Finding_Common_Ground_between_Philosophy_and_Religion.pdf
/Danny Postel once wrote that Richard Rorty can be/
/probably best described as a *"boring atheist.”* Now, can/
/we hear anything interesting about religion from a/
/boring atheist? In the case of Rorty, we surely can, at/
/least in two respects: a) by reading his papers on religion/
/we can get a picture of his opinions on the role of/
/religious experience in the lives of human beings that is/
/far from trivial; b) by using "redescription” as Rorty’s/
/most powerful weapon in advancing our intellectual and/
/moral standards, we can reformulate some of his ideas/
/as being able to enter a conversation with the kind of/
/thinking known as postmodern Christianity (or weak/
/theology being its instance). Rorty’s atheism definitely/
/does not fall into the same category as the atheism of/
/Richard Dawkins or Daniel Dennett. Rorty seems to/
/perfectly understand the broadness of religious/
/experience and its various contexts, although, for/
/himself, religion is not a live option. His growing/
/willingness to enter into debate with religion, as we saw/
/it in the last several years of his life, is supposedly an/
/inevitable conclusion of contentions published in his/
/earlier papers where he called religion a "conversationstopper.” /
/It may well be the case that religion sometimes/
/is a conversation-stopper, but as Rorty himself holds, it is /
/our (philosophers’) responsibility to maintain the/
/discussion even with these sometimes "unwilling” forms/
/of discourse. Since we know that when discussion/
/ceases, other forms of persuasion come into play, we/
/must make sure it will carry on. /
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*Rorty: On Truth*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzynRPP9XkY
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