So far on the consensus, there are 2 out of 2 saying "yeah, it's slow." What not clear about that? ;)
I'm sure just about everyone else that trys it says it's slower that 99SE. I have no idea if it's lame or that it uses extensive resources. Maybe it's a combination. Maybe there are some key areas that could use some optimization and it's coming in a service pack. Who know???? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:36 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > So I'm not really totally clear on the consensus of this > speed issue. Are you guys saying that the program itself is > lame or that it uses extensive resources and these resources > take more time to load? > > Personally MY OPINION which is worth not too much on this is > that the software itself is architected in a slow and tedious > manner and irregardless of what system (PC) you have will > respond sluggishly. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > > I basically agree with you. > > > > BTW, the speed problem is not just your system. I think DXP is much > > slower too and I want it fixed. There is one area which > compounds the > > problem: screen redraws are done after the screen data has been > > computed. So even if the speed were the same, there is a > visible delay > > that wasn't there before. In 99SE, we can 'watch' the > screen repaint. > > In DXP it does the work in the background without visual > feedback and > > then BAM, the screen updated in a flash. The new process > also seems to > > affect panning. I sort of prefer the old way, but if the > new way were > > faster, I wouldn't care. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:06 PM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > This is entirely a personal preference issue from a long > time Protel > > > user. My comments with the new dialogs is a very small issue and > > > would not prevent me from upgrading to DXP, but I liked > the idea of > > > having all data in one column that I could just quickly scan down > > > for pads, tracks, text etc and all were pretty much consistent in > > > how they looked. While I like the new look, I am not yet sure I > > > will like visually scanning through the graphics versus the P99SE > > > list for relevant information. Considering the tab key > function, it > > > may not slow a user down too much, but the quick glance at > > > attributes between different dialogs in DXP will take > some getting > > > used to. In my opinion, it will take longer to focus on the > > > desired attribute, but this could be resolved with DXP > > > experience as you mentioned. Unfortunately, being > > > experienced with DXP will take some time for me since I will > > > not upgrade until several more pressing issues are worked out > > > and my demo is now over. Speed of the app being one of them > > > and being compatible with P99SE designs another. Perhaps it > > > is just my system, but P99SE runs much quicker and smoother > > > than DXP in my case. I have several designs loaded with > > > split planes that currently do not import properly to DXP > > > along with all the CAM and print settings being wiped out. > > > DXP needs a lot more work yet, I am just frustrated that we > > > are going through this again after the same thing happened > > > with the first P99 release. The addition of ATS just makes > > > it much worse. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > > > > > > > > Why is that? Once you're experienced with DXP (or any app) you > > > > know where to find stuff. The glitz doesn't slow me down. The > > > speed of the > > > > app (or lack of speed) slows me down. > > > > > > > > What would be the most proficient would be to have the tab key > > > > jump between the editable fields in the order of most > used which > > > > could easily be determined by a survey on these lists. > > > > > > > > For example on a component pad, the first field highlighted is > > > > Designator. I think that makes sense. However, if you press > > > tab a few > > > > times you get this order: > > > > > > > > Hole Size > > > > Layer > > > > Rotation > > > > Xlocation > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > After a while you get to X size and Ysize. I don't know > > > about you, but > > > > I find myself tweaking those two things way more often than the > > > > location of the pad. I personally would like to see it more > > > like this, > > > > where the plated status is brought to the first tab instead > > > of the 3rd > > > > tab. I usually never mess with the net association because the > > > > schematic drives that. > > > > > > > > Here is a mockup: http://www.encoreelectronics.com/padedit.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:31 AM > > > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian, > > > > > > 7) Dialogs are not as easily navigated as in P99SE - > > > they may look > > > > > > nicer but I find it harder to find the editable elements. > > > > > I am in complete agreement with you on the dialogs. I > > > forgot to add > > > > > that to my list of issues with DXP. I find it much > > > easier to find > > > > > relevant attributes in a well organized list like > P99SE has, not > > > > > with them all haphazardly placed among "glitz" and > > > "glamour". These > > > > > new dialogs may help the new user, but once you are > > > proficient with > > > > > Protel, I think it tends to slow the user down. Rob > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:48 AM 5/09/02 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > ><..snip..> > > > > > > >As the title said Cruch time - do I spend any more > > > time looking > > > > > > >at the > > > > > DXP > > > > > > >demo and upcoming SP1 re-learning how to use it or do I > > > > > spend my time > > > > > > >looking at other packages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > My feelings are very mixed. I have not tried all of the > > > > > features and > > > > > > have not done much after the beta program finished. I am > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > the first service pack before I see what has changed since > > > > > the beta. > > > > > > So when I say what I like or dislike it may be that I have > > > > > not tried > > > > > > your favorite feature or tested your favorite(!) bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > Likes: > > > > > > 1) query language and reltaed to that the much more > powerful > > > > > > design rules > > > > > > 2) Sim post processing is improved > > > > > > 3) New ERC options > > > > > > 4) Integrated libraries should help configuration control > > > > > > > > > > > > Dislikes: > > > > > > 1) speed > > > > > > 2) globals are slower and some things very much harder to > > > > > work out how > > > > > > to do (but see Likes point 1). > > > > > > 3) Router is very disappointing - I was hoping for a > > > break through > > > > > > here. > > > > > > 4) No SDK released (yet) > > > > > > 5) I think the spreadsheet view should *not* be on the same > > > > > panel as the > > > > > > filter. > > > > > > 6) ATS > > > > > > 7) Dialogs are not as easily navigated as in P99SE - they > > > > > may look nicer > > > > > > but I find it harder to find the editable elements. > > > > > > 8) Greater reliance on mouse compared to P99SE - this > > > > > affects productivity > > > > > > 9) loss of Selected vs Focussed feature in P99SE and no > > > > > provision for a > > > > > > workable replacement (simply making the system more like > > > > > other Windows > > > > > apps > > > > > > is a retrograde step IMO) > > > > > > > > > > > > There are others but these are the major ones I can think > > > > > of just now. > > > > > > > > > > > > As an indicator - I have started a few new designs in the > > > > > last week or > > > > > > so. All of these are being done in P99SE. I have a > > > rather "down" > > > > > > feeling about it. Lots to like but ATS really makes the > > > > > equation more > > > > > > complex > > > > > than > > > > > > it used to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will re-evaluate after SP1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > > > ** > > > > > > ** > > > > > > * Tracking #: F798CC54297D2F409329F8E4E9D6CD6A24CD0BED > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
