Re: [MBZ] OT: EV battery breathrough by IBM?

2019-12-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
< Over the last two years, South Korean utilities have experienced 23 lithium-ion battery fires.>> I refer to my earlier post, re Lithium Ion batteries as currently produced, and re, the giant battery housed in shopping mall... The holy grail of alternate energy is how to store it for

Re: [MBZ] OT: EV battery breathrough by IBM?

2019-12-19 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The big oil companies will buy the technology never to be seen again!  Just like the 100mpg carburetor! And I myself prefer to have child slave laborers mine stuff for my Pious! --FT On 12/19/19 2:08 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Now that the secret is out, the Chinese will knock

Re: [MBZ] OT: EV battery breathrough by IBM?

2019-12-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Now that the secret is out, the Chinese will knock it off! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > ELECTRIC VEHICLESIBM announces battery breakthrough > > Published: Thursday, December 19, 2019 > > IBM is developing a safer, more

Re: [MBZ] OT: EV battery breathrough by IBM?

2019-12-19 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
This does sound promising, but I'll not hold my breath waiting for it - On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > ELECTRIC VEHICLESIBM announces battery breakthrough > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it

[MBZ] OT: EV battery breathrough by IBM?

2019-12-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
ELECTRIC VEHICLESIBM announces battery breakthrough Published: Thursday, December 19, 2019 IBM is developing a safer, more powerful electric battery that promises to reduce the charging time for electric vehicles and may enhance the possibility of electric aircraft, the company announced

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Craig wrote: > Again, money and politics ... That is the elixir du jour. Okay, MrScienceEngineer - how do these things sort if this scene is flat? Tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > But then we discovered that R134a was a greenhouse gas, not to mention > a cheap commodity item like R12 used to be, so now we need R1234yf, > which fortunately can be purchased for less than $100/lb now that it's > in

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 15:49:22 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > Luckily someone discovered that R-12 freon was the culprit, and DuPont > just happened to have a factory ready to make r-134a, so the government > banned r-12 and saved us from freezing. Get my boots so I can wade through the

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-07 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 7, 2019 at 3:49 PM archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Luckily someone discovered that R-12 freon was the culprit, and DuPont just > happened to have a factory ready to make r-134a, so the government banned r-12 > and saved us from freezing. > > Since global heating is now

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-07 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Clay Monroe wrote: > That was not on the curricula in my elementary school. I did not learn of > that until Maggie Thatcher wanted to undermine the coal miners. Until that > time, we were all going to freeze in the coming ice ages. There was much > undisputed science supporting that fact.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The reason you cant eat sushi every day without developing mercury poisoning is coal fired power. The ash falls on the ocean and plankton eat it. It gets concentrated on it's way up the food chain until it ends up inside tuna and other large fish. All human activities have an impact. As the old

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
That was not on the curricula in my elementary school. I did not learn of that until Maggie Thatcher wanted to undermine the coal miners. Until that time, we were all going to freeze in the coming ice ages. There was much undisputed science supporting that fact. I did learn that plants

Re: [MBZ] OT EV ...

2019-04-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It probably has a battery of some sort inside which has died. Things like solar yard lights use AA batteries which respond well to charging in a "real" battery charger. They also do very well with NiMH replacement batteries. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 12:29

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
To much CO2? No wonder, entire forests are now cut down, to build housing developments, which are built on what was once crop land, which all had PLANTS in abundance that consumed CO2... Both housing developments and land use which did consume CO2 and produce O2 [product of plant growth] have been

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 12:39:14 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > No, see > https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide > > "Without this natural greenhouse effect >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The most dangerous gas on the planet regularly overdosed is intestinal gas It requires the head to be inserted firmly within the anal orifice and thus becomes the sole source gas inhaled, which has become increasingly popular in modern society. Once so ingested, all other gasses become evil and

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
No, see https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide "Without this natural greenhouse effect , Earth’s average annual temperature would

Re: [MBZ] OT EV ...

2019-04-06 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Short answer - it depends. Typical motor powered PV devices store electrons in a rechargeable battery. That would be the first place I'd look - an old dead battery will stop everything from working. A DIY guy would take it apart before doing anything else to see what's in there ... On Sat, Apr

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dan could you please shut off this idiotic discussion? On Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 12:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is warming the planet. Go back to > kindergarten. > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 10:27 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> CO2

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is warming the planet. Go back to kindergarten. On Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 10:27 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > CO2 is necessary for life to exist on this orb. Without CO2, plants > die. Without plant life, you die. > > Be careful what

Re: [MBZ] OT EV ...

2019-04-06 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--FT wrote: > The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away ... > Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser... A PV question. PV kitchen device supposedly manufactured in der FaderLand was acquired but does not work. What are the primary elements of a PV

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
CO2 is necessary for life to exist on this orb.  Without CO2, plants die.   Without plant life, you die. Be careful what you wish for.  It MIGHT come true. Our plants USED to get necessary sulfur from the air.   The overzealous EPA regulated almost all sulfur out of the air.   Now farms must

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
And CO2 and NOX. On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 9:25 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > mostly water vapor in the US of A. I can't say what's happening in Canada. > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 4/5/19 10:37 AM: > > On 04/04/2019 11:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
mostly water vapor in the US of A.  I can't say what's happening in Canada. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 4/5/19 10:37 AM: On 04/04/2019 11:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: HAVE YOU actually SEEN a coal fired power plant? Clue:  there is no black smoke But the real question

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I have seen coal power plant. There are stacks, but all that came out was steam. Build right close to the coal bed, but that stuff was too full of sulfur. The thing takes a train load of WY coal each day to run. That is 100 rail cars of coal. Each day. More coal dust on the rail bed than

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-05 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
That sounds like the homeless issue mixed with the safe space snow flakes. Both populations are not going to breed. The homeless do not use much plug in energy, and the snowflakes want to save all the energy. That just leaves the religious folk to increase the population. clay monroe > I

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Due to the current set of rules, which I'm not up to speed on, I can't give a factual answer to that question. At the early stages, it was all collected and sold off to be further processed by companies that did further refining. How successful those companies were or are in yielding viable

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
There are big bag houses that capture the particulate which is then "disposed" of in some fashion that is supposed to be environmentally-acceptable.  We had some big coal ash pond breeches recently right here in our home state, leading to a lot of pollutant (which includes all that stuff you

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Grant - what happens to the uranium, lead, mercury that is in the coal? Is that all captured, mostly captured, somewhat captured? - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:21 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Answer: Nothing that is above the limits of emissions imposed by EPA.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 05/04/2019 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Answer: Nothing that is above the limits of emissions imposed by EPA. Not for over 30 years. However, EPA does not apply in China, India, etc but the winds still blow whatever comes out of the stack to places near and far. When proponents

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Answer: Nothing that is above the limits of emissions imposed by EPA. Not for over 30 years. More than 30 years ago, I was involved in the design, development, and production of some of the first "Scrubber Systems" to capture coal pollutants to contain and re-purpose them without emissions into

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/04/2019 11:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: HAVE YOU actually SEEN a coal fired power plant? Clue:  there is no black smoke But the real question is "what is it spewing into the air?" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Hear Here! Great sermon!  SHort! Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 4:22 PM: The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure:  My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
HAVE YOU actually SEEN a coal fired power plant? Clue:  there is no black smoke BTW: Trim thy posts! Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 1:53 PM: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On April 4, 2019 at 10:24 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >| > no? Si, Senor. > > \ > What was the denoument of that saga? They couldn't sell me one unless I produced a CA, OR, or MD driver's license with my picture on it. I toyed

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 21:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" > proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions > Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology. And you need to remember, I LIKE the things, tried pretty hard to buy one 3 years ago when I

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP event? Gravity. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Andrew, Points taken. The economy of scale for solar has taken large strides in the past 10 years as production costs for solar panels have dropped and conversion of light energy to electricity efficiency. per panel, has increased. Several large scale solar plants were on the plan prior to 2008

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
How do you build an elephant? Order a mouse, built under government contract... ;)) A few billion spent in government programs to stimulate ignorance and inbreeding would reduce the population to the point where we need less energy... Ohh wait we already have those in place.. ;)) [Sarcasm

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Grant, I beg to differ. Idaho Power has just announced it proposes to install utilities scale solar for 2 and a half cents per kilowatt hour. The cheapest in history. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:47 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels are depleted. My concern would be the microwave energy, keeping that pointed in a safe direction. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On April 4, 2019 6:28:40 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >It was all in the reports. 

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
It was all in the reports.  The stuff I worked on had some fairly realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going from maybe 3%

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
What a grand plan. However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW hr. projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and the actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on the ground. Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES

2019-04-04 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure:  My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on SPS-related work.  His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we spoke a coupla times

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Ummm, I was arguing against Andrew on this one, or at least his idea that hydro was going to produce energy enough for everybody to drive an electric car. Again an electric car isn't for everybody or for every mission any person might make. Owning a car is always about living with the

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
OK, uncle! I give up. You have convinced me to swap my F150 for a Tesla. I will move out of the city and buy some acreage so I can put up enough solar panels to keep it charged! On 04/04/2019 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming down all over the place with huge pushes to "restore the river"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 4:26:51 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Randy,This is also not true, there are MANY electric cars on the road today and just because they don't fit your needs or lifestyle that doesn't mean they aren't an excellent choice for somebody else. Your F150 would be a really stupid vehicle for somebody living in a big city, does that make

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> wrote: >> > >> > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an >> EMP >> > > event? >> > > >> > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
airplane in an EMP > > > event? > > > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
event? > > > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't that the same y

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
s@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasf

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
t;> EMP >> > > event? >> > > >> > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> &g

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
he same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > &g

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 12:28:24 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? There are too many holes and slots in the aluminum skin for it to be an effective Faraday cage. > Now a tube and rag plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
al warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercede

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
oun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future &g

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
gt; -Original Message- > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So now "renewable" share of power generation is up to maybe 3%? 4%? Lions share is coal, natural gas, nukes. I think natural gas may be eclipsed coal? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most new

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
There is emission in the manufacture of the panels and turbines though, and it takes a LOT of them. "No such thing as a free lunch". I guess thorium reactors are the closest we'll come to it. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
l warming? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Most new sources of power in the USA are renewable energy which is non emitting (solar and wind), plus some geothermal. The trend is your friend.. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions."  A couple of them were also in the local car show, with the banner.  The show is pretty good sized.  There are probably 200-300 cars there.   I did not challenge them, but If

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but pressed on with

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The hypocrisy of electric vehicles never ceases to amaze me. If you like EVs that’s fine especially if you have a solar panel at your home to charge them but the vast majority of people just use power from the grid. This power has to come from somewhere. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2019,

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > Commercial flights on electric

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but a > Canadian airline and a Seat

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2019-04-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
WHat would it take to hack it? On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 8:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Which is one reason the aviation software driven electronics are SO > expensive - it all has to be FAA certified, including the OS and firmware. > What should be a $500 - $1000 piece of equipment quickly

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2019-04-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Which is one reason the aviation software driven electronics are SO expensive - it all has to be FAA certified, including the OS and firmware. What should be a $500 - $1000 piece of equipment quickly becomes $10,000 to $15,000. The recent Boeing software glitch is surprising in that there have

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THE AIR, and the software decides your batteries are dead, so are you, even though there is plenty of juice in the battery.  Ever have a laptop battery?  Or a cell phone battery with software "management"?    They have a habit of being squirrelly.   I'd rather fly a J3

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I mean running out of battery isn't really any different than running out of fuel. Not many good refueling options up in the sky... -Curt On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 2:14:55 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in aviation Well that, and the problem of finding a parking place in the sky while you recharge your dead [operative word here "DEAD"] batteries. I have a lot of flight hours behind the P PT6 engine. Always worked well.

Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
BS Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/3/19 8:58 AM: Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but a Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found

[MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future

2019-04-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but a Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a quicker route to electrification by converting a small bush

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-21 Thread larry turner
As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -- Maybe. Larry T ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-21 Thread R A Bennell
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of larry turner Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-17 Thread MG
into a bunch of other problems. Manfred Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:09:29 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV That does sound like a nice fit - if it's not too long. However, for a cheaper to get around in car that doesn't look like a rolling grape, I think an electric

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV Boeing had some elegant designs, still does. Got the fuselage right on the 707, for sure, since it's still

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Frederick wrote: And remember, the B-58 Hustler was even faster (I remember it breaking windows everywhere locally making supersonic runs across the central US), but no one ever figured out how to put a bomb in it I didn't understand what you were talking about, until I saw

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
I've played with the idea of a 190EV... More realistic is an old 2wd Nissan pickup. Nice and light, lots of space for batteries... If I had another bay in the garage I'd be all over it. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:04:34 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick
They may be pretty, but were reportedly a real bch to fly, suffering from some severe aerodymanic problems at high altitude and had a nasty bicycle steerable undercarriage that made landing, well, a puckering experience much of the time. Most serious defect was the coffin corner were

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Wilton Strickland
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV They may be pretty, but were reportedly a real bch to fly, suffering from some severe aerodymanic problems at high altitude and had a nasty bicycle steerable undercarriage that made landing, well, a puckering experience much of the time. Most serious defect

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick
Boeing had some elegant designs, still does. Got the fuselage right on the 707, for sure, since it's still in production. However, some features, while very well executed by Boeing, are hardly exlusive -- thin, swept wings are a German innovation, so are pylon mounted engines (although not

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Wilton Strickland
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV Boeing had some elegant designs, still does. Got the fuselage right on the 707, for sure, since it's still in production. However, some features, while very well executed by Boeing, are hardly

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread OK Don
It's an evolutionary process - just like our Mercedes Benz cars --- (obligatory MB content). On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know. B-47 was in many ways stopgap- 'til they could something bigger, better, more range, etc. 'Had to use the

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread MG
I've always wanted an MGCGT. Now that is one fun car to drive. Manfred Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:04:34 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV I'm thinking that I'd like a Triumph GT6+E --- or perhaps an MGBGT as second choice. I also wonder how much weight you can

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread OK Don
The power is nice, but it sure is heavy in the front! Much better with the Aluminum 215ci V8. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wanted an MGCGT. Now that is one fun car to drive. Manfred -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies,

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread larry turner
PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV Boeing had some elegant designs, still does. Got the fuselage right on the 707, for sure, since it's still in production. However, some features, while very well executed

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Wilton Strickland
to keep from over-powering - accelerating too fast could pitch nose up before getting trim adjusted. Wilton - Original Message - From: larry turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV re

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread MG
17:22:36 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV The power is nice, but it sure is heavy in the front! Much better with the Aluminum 215ci V8. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wanted an MGCGT. Now that is one fun car to drive

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread OK Don
That does sound like a nice fit - if it's not too long. However, for a cheaper to get around in car that doesn't look like a rolling grape, I think an electric conversion would be cool. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:01 PM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true it was a bit heavy on the front. I

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Mitch Haley
Wilton Strickland wrote: Meanwhile the aircraft went over the top of the loop, and, as it started down the other side, it would roll upright accelerating and descending to get the Hell out of Dodge. Max Immelmann would be proud. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread OK Don
I don't think Max waited that long before rolling over - but it's been a while since I did that kind of thing. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilton Strickland wrote: Meanwhile the aircraft went over the top of the loop, and, as it started down the other

Re: [MBZ] OT - EV

2008-08-16 Thread Hendrik Fay
] OT - EV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm thinking that I'd like a Triumph GT6+E --- or perhaps an MGBGT as second choice. I also wonder how much weight you can strip out of a 124 or 201

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