Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
You, David, may be DOING what the early church DID without MEANING what the early church MEANT. On this one DH may be closer to the truth than DM. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM David M

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?   ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 18, 2006 23:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? JD wrote: And virtually all of my argumentation was of a contextual in

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments of God', David. You then, David, ought to be and, likely are, warning those non-protestants within your sect concerning th

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sectarianism! Amen! Have you (of course you have) taken note of those who so identify others as sectarians while their group (sect) is thus reflective of a repristinated gospel. They seem themselves as 'recovering' the truth. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sectarians indeed, John! You've identified the real question.Yes, He is (the creator)! I think that the sectarians marginalize themselves.   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
e? Wouldn't you call this being doubleminded?  His doctrine is "Reformed" Calvinistic - same thing   On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:56:21 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I LITERALLY cleaned m

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
onary of science. I strongly disagree. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? Think of the early chapters of Genesis as the

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
Think of the early chapters of Genesis as theological literature with the emphasis on 'literature'. It is a well drawn story. Bruce Waltke, in a recent commentary on Genesis, says "the prologue announces that the God of the covenant community is the same as the Creator of the cosmos." Waltke

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
Lance finds himself compelled to jump in, David. What indeed is the point of this hypothetical construct at the conclusion of your post? It is totally meaningless. Whitcomb would not, I say again not, be taken seriously as a theologian any more than Tim LaHaye would. From: "David Miller" <[EM

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
reements among believers in these matters. For example, if I were to share my knowledge of Creation, or the Nephilim, or the Noachide flood, etc., while my knowledge might be greater than many believers in many of these areas, I expect a lot of hearty amens as opposed to suspicion and disa

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
tha ttime would have been much better spent in God's Word - He will let you know for sure what He means when one comes on His terms.     On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: That which follows is a phony self-deprecat

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
il.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006 09:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance Since he quotes the Scots Confession, I would say his understanding could be found therein.   On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:47:33 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
Judy:What is 'The Reformed Doctrine of Election' as T. F. Torrance understands it (not as you understand it)? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006 09:29 Subject: [TruthTalk] torrance   In his writing be

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
from God's Word Lance. God calls this kind of a person "double-minded" and says that they will receive nothing from the Lord. (James 1:7,8)   Why do you call the Promise "nonexistent?"   On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:01:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" &

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
octrine is "Reformed" Calvinistic - same thing   On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:56:21 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I LITERALLY cleaned my glasses, Judy. I took your interpretation to heart and, you are wrong vis a vis TFT's take on

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
------- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are quite correct as to your TFT observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will not permit an equitable treatment of that which is

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
that shows us that all that we are and have done even as believers is called in question.   On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:07:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are quite correct as to your TFT observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bia

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
David:Please be even-handed with your reprimands. Would you not concur that Judy's question below is rhetorical in nature? Is she not actually saying 'John, you are calling God a liar'? IMO such micromanaging of the list says more about you than either of them. Remember the good old days whe

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
You are quite correct as to your TFT observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will not permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text of his article. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
Other than the possible uniform affirmation that God in Christ (see Colossians) is the 'commencer', I suspect that the views of most informed believers would vary greatly on Gen 1-11. Why wouldn't they? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

[TruthTalk] 'The elephant in the room' - TT's demise

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
IFO believe this to be both appropriate and wise, David. Long ago Jonathan offered up a description of the participants on TT. His observations, IMO, have been borne out over time.The dialogue has become almost totally adversarial in tone. Most of those who had something to say, and said it

Re: [TruthTalk] creation continued

2006-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
All of Canada chimes in 'bishop'.   Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006 07:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] creation continued Thank you and yes I am.  Children are a

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
in Canada-ese? :-) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable? Iz:Firstly, I WAS referring to myself and, NOT to David. Will you, ki

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
Title: The radical consequences of justification, by T.F. Torrance I apologize David.   Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 17, 2006 13:36 Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment ** Please do not forwa

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
David:I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this not to be a trick question. So then, yes. I am a teleological evolutionist thus making me 'that sort' of 'creationist'. Lucid? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 17, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
bels' chariot and had the ravens feed him while he rested and regrouped in a cave.    Tell me - what would be too difficult for a God like this and how can the feeble efforts of man explain Him? On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:57:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROT

[TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
Conor: Might we hear from you on this? Frame this in whatever fashion suits you.   Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-17 Thread Lance Muir
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:38 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable? Lance, upon reading David's post below, exhibits 'cranial density' his own

Re: [TruthTalk] Hello

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Welcome Conor (Group hug) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 16, 2006 16:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] Hello Hello Everyone, I recently joined truth talk and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Conor Mancone. I'll be graduating from the Universi

Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
As George Carlin once said concerning the many variations of the word 'flammable' "a thing either flams or, it doesn't". Now, as to your expression, 'technically, they are not believers',..they are or they are not believers, David. Your, and it is 'your', 'instant' theology would need some expa

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
ectly being communicated by the sacred text. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable? David:Please distinguish 'believe the same thing about these pas

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
their father.  The other spirit still had a hold on them.  He told another group that they had Moses and the prophets  so they should hear them.  There are no excuses for not saying what God says so far as I can see.     On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:12:13 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[

Fw: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 16, 2006 09:50 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers. How timely. I JUST THIS MOMENT finished the following pa

Fw: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 16, 2006 09:57 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers. And the paragraphs just before that read: In the nex

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
c, that is a mistake. Furthermore, emotions often cloud logic, and cause people to embrace falsehood. What do you think? David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowab

[TruthTalk] Fw: having finished V's postmodernism lecture

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 15, 2006 22:14 Subject: having finished V's postmodernism lecture I mentioned the relational bit in my reply to your forwarded Wrightsaid post. For the rest: having been able to listen to it

[TruthTalk] Fw: A few lines from Gilead

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: A few lines from Gilead   - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 15, 2006 21:41 Subject: A few lines from Gilead I am currently reading it, and it's wonderful. In case you don't know or have forgotten, it's a letter w

[TruthTalk] Fw: PALM Alert!

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Title: PALM Report Vol 4 Issue 9   - Original Message - From: Bruce Fligg PALM Ministries To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 16, 2006 07:52 Subject: PALM Alert! PALM Alert! Lifting up Mississauga in Prayer John 17:21 May they be brought to complete unity PALM -Pray ALways Missis

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
ng the same thing in the end time and this is the "unity" Christ prayed for... The definition of "believer" should be "one who speaks as the oracles of God"   On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:38:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: T

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth Knowable?

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
ritten in scripture - because IYO truth changes generationally and according to culture then it really isn't truth because they could be saying dog and I might be hearing cat.  Is this what you are saying Lance?   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:47:08 -0500 "Lance Mui

Re: [TruthTalk] Copyright Question

2006-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
Dave:You appear rather exercised over this matter. Why is this such a 'hot button' issue for you? IFO don't believe Gary to be violating any copyright laws.  - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 23:21 Subject

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
both A and NON A at the same time. Is the definition of this philosophy - irrationality - PostModernism?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rhetorical questions are intended to provoke thought rather than bring forth an answer. It may well be the case that

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Lance Muir'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: March 15, 2006 08:20 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux My, that was fast! I guess we have to take his word for it. I

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
ylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 08:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed You haven't answered my question Lance   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:03:01 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
th changes generationally and according to culture then it really isn't truth because they could be saying dog and I might be hearing cat.  Is this what you are saying Lance?   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:47:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've no p

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
is figurative of destruction? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin:As to the probability of any conversation, am I to understand your to be meaning something like this: 'The Scriptural teaching on Hell is clear beyond question. What I, along wit

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
departed I am saying that I don't understand your question Lance - so it looks like you have excused yourself again. Why are you so full of conditions - is it really that difficult to say what you mean?   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:31:49 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
rly departed     On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:02:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Would you be so kind Judy, as to restate 'apprehend and apply' so as to demonstrate to me that therein lies the meaning 'truth is NOT fixed and eternal..&

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean as a candidate for Moderator?

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
response to this "inflammatory brand" as slams?   If it was 2 is that itself inflammatory?   Is it the Dogmatism that bothers you?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dean:It was a meaningless congratulatory message. As I read yesterday's salvo

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Kevin:As to the probability of any conversation, am I to understand your to be meaning something like this: 'The Scriptural teaching on Hell is clear beyond question. What I, along with most everyone I know believes concerning this matter is not open to discussion.' Thereafter you would cite

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
h is fixed and eternal in every generation. God does not change and neither does His Word which is forever sealed in heaven.  As Dean warns - better be sure you are not dancing around a calf.   On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:42:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Each generation must apprehend then apply the truth in a manner appropriate to its time. This is but one reason IFO favour newer translations of all sacred texts, including the text of scripture. Some recent christian teaching/writing is an asset to the believing community. FWIW, I'd dance t

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean as a candidate for Moderator?

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
ginal Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 7:28:58 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Dean as a candidate for Moderator? What I've got against MLM's? (Multi level marketing schemes) They choose persons who are not

[TruthTalk] Fw: excerpt redux

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 14, 2006 22:04 Subject: excerpt redux Lance, I was just printing out the next raw chapter (on "Two Kinds of Righteousness" and "A Meditation on Christ's Passion") in prepara

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Suggested reading: 1. 'Dare we Hope "That all men be Saved"? with a short discourse on Hell - Hans Urs Von Balthasar 2. 'Four Views on Hell' Counterpoints series 3. 'The One Purpose of God' An answer to the Doctrine of Eternal Punishment' Jan Bonda 4. 'Hell': A Hard Look at a Hard Question - Th

[TruthTalk] Self-Moderating?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Perhaps the biggest 'current' offender is Lance. I'll speak with him on this so as to pull him into line, so to speak. Thereafter we could make things a little easier on the list owner re:'moderation'.   Anonymous

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
'Why he was installed as Moderator' is a mystery to me also. This is a task that was simply beyond his abilities and, IMO, DM either knew or, should have known that. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
How do you KNOW this? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 14, 2006 12:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Lance wrote: David:I understand that you have your own sect. No, Lance, I do not have my own sect. I have correcte

Re: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Unless I missed some announcement, we're 'moderatorless' at the moment. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2006 11:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The dearly departed Why would you prefer to ask of our

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
All persons over all time have access to THE ONE WHO IS THE TRUTH. All persons who have accessed the one who is the truth articulate their experience, even via scripture, differently. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 14, 2006 11:41 Subje

Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Most things are more 'complexified' than you and your ilk see them. Do you have flush toilets where you are? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2006 07:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2 Real Bapti

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Kevin:I'd like to believe that David is not playing with you (the cat and mouse thingy) but, at times it'd appear so.You rarely 'see/hear' the point(s) of his posts. IMO he knows that you won't. IMO this is similar to his engagement with Dean. He seems capable of being 'humbly patronising'.I

[TruthTalk] Dean as a candidate for Moderator?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
What I've got against MLM's? (Multi level marketing schemes) They choose persons who are not up to the task and thus, are bound to fail. The list owner should have known this. IFO did know this. DM is both more gifted and, more intelligent than I. Why then, DM, did you ever make this choice?

Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Which Baptists? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2006 06:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2 WOW what a revelation! Just about as shocking as when I learned that Baptists were "anti - charis

Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Joanna Williams - friend of some 10 years speaks on believing teens

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
g that they will know God in their own time.  They are just on a journey of finding how life is empty without Him.  It is during this time that we must stay faithful to them.  Just some thoughts... Joanna From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Joanna" <[EM

Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Joanna Williams - friend of some 10 years speaks on believing teens

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
nd in who knows what kind of amazing committments down the road somewhere...Do we believe this??  Jesus changes lives..in His time and His way.  What an awesome relief to know that I just have to walk alongside those He puts my way and He'll do the rest!  Thank you for listening! Joan

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
IFO believe Kevin's sect simply leaps, spiritually speaking of course, from 'a' to 'z'. This is why he's had so much difficulty, from time to time, with you and your sect, David. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 13, 2006 17:52 Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
David: IMO this is all Blah! Blah! Blah! Boring, boring boring! You've said all of this before and, in the same words. You from your sectarian ideaology could engage could engage Kevin's, Dean's, Judy's and Linda's respective sects and speak representing both sides. This is mockuology! Or

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
David:I understand that you have your own sect. Do any of its adherents worship idols? FWIW, I'd guess that at least a few of your sectarians do, given the law of average and all. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 13, 2006 14:28 Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Joanna Williams - friend of some 10 years speaks on believing teens

2006-03-13 Thread Lance Muir
r T? Job 1:22   In all this Job sinned not   Then we have a declaration, GREAT VICTORY! the Fornicator is STILL a FORNICATOR! Your kinder gentler Humanistic Religion really works! What a testimony!

[TruthTalk] Redeemed but,' in process'?

2006-03-13 Thread Lance Muir
I perceive most of you as writing from an 'I've arrived, I'm mature, I'm without conscious wrongdoing in my life, perspective.(Iz an exception?) Would your spouses concur? Would your closest friends concur?     In all my years of connection with the believing community, I've never met person

Re: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?.     - Original Message - F rom: Lance Muir To:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] spirit of Hinn]

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
Doesn't it make you just beam with pride, the appropriate kind of course, being exposed to the handiwork of two such fine representatives of 'their' gospel as DEAN AND KEVIN! IFO speak often of them. I share their posts with friends who then say things like From: Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] Joanna Williams - friend of some 10 years speaks on believing teens

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
Linda: Joanna is a woman who, upon completing her pre-med studies. went on a short term mission trip to, of all places, the Bronx. She is Pakistani. The passion God gave her for those disenfrancised she encountered there has never left her.    When she finished typing on my computer she went

[TruthTalk] Fw: Dylan

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 22:35 Subject: Dylan Watching the Dylan documentary reminded me how much I like that music. Not just Dylan but Pete Seeger (what a wonderful voice!), Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez. On the wa

[TruthTalk] Fw: Blue Man Group

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 22:20 Subject: Blue Man Group Like I said, it was amazing. (I told you I was prepared to dislike it, but behind the advance guard I put up sometimes, my mind is usually open. Sancho P

[TruthTalk] Fw: Stone Reader

2006-03-12 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 11, 2006 21:06 Subject: Stone Reader I liked it. I was going to say I loved it, but then I realized that what I loved wasn’t it but the ideas and impressions it evoked in me—especially the mem

Re: [TruthTalk] Conversation with Major Tom Tuppenney - Salvation Army

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
xpert come and speak for himself so we can see if his words stand the Bible test-So far the dancing brotherhood have fallen way short-To dizzy from all the dancing around passages in the Bible to get a solid footing on truth.     - Original Message - From:

[TruthTalk] Joanna Williams - friend of some 10 years speaks on believing teens

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
Well, since I'm being asked for a response on this...my initial feeling is that we need to live in the real world having contact with real people...perhaps listen a little more to others and how they live.  In my experience with people, including believers by the way, struggle with sin is co

[TruthTalk] Conversation with Major Tom Tuppenney - Salvation Army

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
Director Harbor Light Mission Toronto - 10 years Director Harbor Light Mission Detroit - 5 years   We discussed the responses I received on TT. He was outraged at the burden you'd lay on believers as a result of a theology absent grace. In addition to that which was previously spoken of, he

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
ll…I cornered poor BT with the futility of his “logic”, and the next thing you knew he (again) disappeared from TT. Read the whole archives and see for yourself. J iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Believers in bondage to sin?

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
Judy says 'I hate all sin and that includes me (mine)'. Just how are we to understand this, Judy? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Believers in bondage to sin?    

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David's nuanced take on pagan, cult/sect & Mormonism.Genuine conversations take place when the view of the other person is equitably represented. Now, if ppl can't read TT with u

[TruthTalk] Believers in bondage to sin?

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
I've a friend who runs a group home. He works the streets in the toughest area of one of Canada's largest cities. He is presently heading up a small group of believers, newer and older, including some seminarians, who are addicted to pornography and homosexuality Comments?    

Re: [TruthTalk] Greasy Grace - New Product

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for thinking of me, David. I did watch the entire clip. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk Sent: March 10, 2006 14:21 Subject: [TruthTalk] Greasy Grace - New Product Lance, being that you are an avid movie watcher, you might be inte

[TruthTalk] New Biography: Joseph Smith:Rough Rolling Stone by Richard L. Bushman

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
Great reviews on this book by a practicing Mormon. Bushman, historian & professor emeritus at Columbia University.

[TruthTalk] Fw: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin & Dean.   THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!     - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir Sent: March 10, 2006 11:52 Subject: Re: JOHN: An extended discussion on Person/Persons/Personhood including you, BT and, DM Well,  just a

Re: [TruthTalk] Boring/Not Boring?

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: March 10, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Boring/Not Boring? Whoopdeedo!!  The Judge of TT has made his pronouncement Lord forbid anyone should evaluate his accusations, judgments, and prolific references ...   On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:01:04 -0500 "Lance Muir&quo

[TruthTalk] Boring/Not Boring?

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
Gary, John, DM, CM, DH, Iz.NOT boringIMO of course (several of the departees were also not boring...Jonathan, Caroline, Debbie, Slade and, Bill Taylor   And, as Linda Richman of 'Coffee Talk' used to say: the rest of you 'talk amongst yourselves'!! (IHO)   A tribute to David M

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
his one or like Nancy Reagan, you just say No!  jt   On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:32:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've already acknowledged that I'm often not up to the level at which Judy, Kevin and Dean 'dialogue'.

Re: [TruthTalk] Responding to Moderator Comments

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
FWIW-Moderator Comment ran as an ongoing subject line for an extended period. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 10, 2006 06:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Responding to Moderator Comments

Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller

2006-03-10 Thread Lance Muir
I'm not David Miller but am operating under the assumption that a public post is open to a public response.   Barry Goldwater lost an election due to the perception that he'd have HIS 'finger on the button'. You seem to trumpet such 'power' (?) saying such things as 'let's get it on'. Violenc

Re: [TruthTalk] Hidden in Christ

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
Always good to see a 'person' such as yourself on TT, Bishop! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 13:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hidden in Christ   Just talked to my 38 year old lawyer/state wres

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
urney DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO THEREONtoLOGICALy?Ontorelation aspects of personhood and the chemical attachments?My holistic rememberance of the "discussions" brings back bad memories!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It&

[TruthTalk] Fw: Prayer Update: Shankar

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "John D Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: March 09, 2006 10:54 Subject: Prayer Update: Shankar Greetings from Singapore. Today I met with Shankar--the Taoist I met in Singapore a year ago. His mother came from Japan and his father fr

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
ew creation" - old things pass away and all things become new.   On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:02:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1. I've no idea as we've

Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
e - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?   SO  

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Open door on the journey

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
ot;personhood" The invitation is to become part of a "new creation" - old things pass away and all things become new.   On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:02:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?

2006-03-09 Thread Lance Muir
m: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Addendum to 'snakes anyone'?   SO     Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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