Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
M-TOW-A
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
Well yeah. There are bunches of those depending on pipe sizes.
We select from these:
http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=search_resultssp_search_group=exactsearch=pipe+to+pipex=0y=0
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/14/2015 4:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
This is what I normally use:
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/product_details.aspx?id=2188
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 5:32:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
These
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2015 2:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
2-3/8 OD rigid. No reason to go larger. If we're putting up a 3' or 4'
licensed dish, then it will be with heavy-duty pipe-to-pipe kits with 5/8
all-thread and probably 4-1/2 rigid pipe.
Just my opinion.
On 2/13/2015 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am doing this universal pipe mount that will allow a larger dish on a
Rohn type or crappy sheet metal freestanding type.
And doing the larger version of the M-TOW-P
The question is, what size pipe?
I had initially designed it with 3 inch pipe which is actually 3.5” OD.
Looking at the pipe chart, 2.5” has an OD of 2.875”.
The smaller pipe would be noticeably lighter to heft. Is that large
enough to make SAF type mounts happy?
Or would y’all rather have the larger pipe.
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
Usage cap. 20 Mbps is 9 GB per hour. That's probably close to how much usage their mobile data plan gives them for the whole month for all their devices put together. So after an hour they would potentially be into overusage charges, which can be as high as $10 per GB on mobile. Play on the uncertainty of never knowing if you will get a $1000 cellphone bill because your kids watched Youtube all weekend and you didn't check your data usage. If the customer says they have an unlimited data plan, that may take digging into the fine print to see what convoluted definition their carrier uses for unlimited. How would you feel if you bought a new Tesla and could drive 140mph but a charge only let you drive to the end of your block? Wouldn't you feel the salesmen deceived you? Also, have fun networking your wireless printer, smart TV, home security system, smart light bulbs, game consoles, etc. all via an LTE phone or mobile hotspot. But the main factor is data usage. We get lots of people switching from LTE for this reason. LTE is a great mobile solution. When you are at home, you need a fixed wired or wireless solution, something that gives you a high enough usage cap to do things like watch video and download software updates without blowing through your usage cap and paying huge overusage fees. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] LTE Speed How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
*nods* I did, though I used the 820 to get some more fragile QAMs in the analysis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:02:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Run the calcs with Linkplanner with ptp800 as the specs are pretty average, you can drag and drop pins in google earth, antennas built in, etc. Seems like the quickest way to spitball links in your area. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Run the calcs with Linkplanner with ptp800 as the specs are pretty average, you can drag and drop pins in google earth, antennas built in, etc. Seems like the quickest way to spitball links in your area. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
burn their house down and ask them if their LTE is keeping them warm this winter. then spit on their shoe On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I guess another question is what speed does the wireless carrier guarantee? Sure, you did a speedtest and got 20Mbps. But if next week it drops to 10Mbps, can you call the carrier and insist they send a tech out to fix it, or that they upgrade the capacity on your local tower? Is there any speed guarantee at all? Probably not. It’s a best effort service. *From:* Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed I would explain the difference in your service and theirs first (e.i. data caps, reliable speeds, a physical connection, etc. ) If you have a faster package let them know. If LTE really is faster for them and they don't get the differences then they will have to make that call for themselves. They may drop you and rely on their LTE but they will learn real quick whether or not it really is better. They will either comb back with a renewed respect for your service or be gone forever. In the end you can't save people from themselves. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Have you looked at Andrew or Radiowaves? If cost is not an issue they may have some options. On Monday, February 16, 2015, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I’m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I’d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
Yup. Procera and low priority queue for updates :) :: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message was sent via mobile device On Feb 16, 2015 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix. People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps finished downloading within an hour. Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones on Sunday evening) to making this work right?
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
Funny I did this just the past weekend. New 6+, had it for a week and the screen died. I had done the initial setup via itunes. Went to apple store, got phone replaced, they kicked off the icloud backup restore there. I think what they are telling people is to do a restore there to get the phone working (with only the basic settings pulled down and app placeholders) then load the rest when they get home back on wifi. Did that, which pulled down pics and apps and music and yadda yadda and took several hours on a 30Mbps TWC conx and my phone isn't really that bloated. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix. People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps finished downloading within an hour. Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones on Sunday evening) to making this work right?
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
Yep, we try to host some of that on one of our servers for everyone as well ☺ Fast downloads are great with BT ☺ Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download Looks like the file is still there, it's just not linked anymore http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-6.27.torrent On 2/16/2015 9:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It comes and goes. https://www.changedetection.com/log/mikrotik/download2_log.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.commailto:n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:54:40 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Generally 3' dishes, but when that fails, I ask what could be changed and not even 6' SHP dishes would meet the interference objectives. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I'm not saying it's not available, but it's more likely than not available. I've only had luck getting 2x 11 GHz links anywhere from a N-S link in western Kane County to links over in Will County and the whole area between. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:25:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Define “here”. Aurora may be difficult, but not DeKalb. Also depends on direction, height, and beamwidth. Earth curvature is your friend. I have 6 links in 11 GHz and have never had a problem with frequency coordination. It is frustrating though when you see a PCN from a carrier or utility for an 11 GHz link that is only 1 or 2 miles. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
No doubt Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile have made it harder over the past couple years with their 4G upgrades. Just like WISPs, the average distance between towers makes 11 GHz the go-to band. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I'm not saying it's not available, but it's more likely than not available. I've only had luck getting 2x 11 GHz links anywhere from a N-S link in western Kane County to links over in Will County and the whole area between. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:25:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Define “here”. Aurora may be difficult, but not DeKalb. Also depends on direction, height, and beamwidth. Earth curvature is your friend. I have 6 links in 11 GHz and have never had a problem with frequency coordination. It is frustrating though when you see a PCN from a carrier or utility for an 11 GHz link that is only 1 or 2 miles. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
I think if they did a proper backup/restore in itunes, instead of relying on all the cloud crap, it would work fine. but they've probably already shitcanned the old phone by the time they get mad and call you. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix. People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps finished downloading within an hour. Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones on Sunday evening) to making this work right?
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
For how many gigabytes before they run out? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:15:43 AM Subject: [AFMUG] LTE Speed How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] Sm needs to be power cycled after interference? 12.1
I think you can. We went from 12.1 - 13.2 with no problems. Only have
13.2.1 on a handful of SMs at this point.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/15/2015 3:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Can i go 12.1-13.2.1? or do I need to update in steps?
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Update to 13.2 or 13.2.1. There are circumstances where an SM
will lose connectivity, and the later SW handles this better.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/15/2015 10:45 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have a 430 site that has been getting interference lately,
when the interference happens some SM's drop off of the Sector
and then they won't reconnect until the customer power cycles
their SM, this is on 12.1, is this a known problem? Really
annoying
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
On 2/16/15 8:00, Ken Hohhof wrote: Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Yes they'll download gigs upon gigs when with iCloud for backup/restore. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
Worked for me last week.. http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-6.27.torrent On 2/16/2015 9:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
We've been using the cambium antennas and they work great. I prefer the sharp drop off because we are doing ABAB with 20mhz channels. Sean On Monday, February 16, 2015, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I’m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I’d like to see what else is available.
[AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
Ask them how much they pay for that speed and what are their bandwidth caps compared to yours? Matt wrote: How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
[AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I’m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I’d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
I just started it up, seems fine Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:17 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Worked for me last week.. http://www.mikrotik.com/ download/routeros-ALL-6.27.torrent On 2/16/2015 9:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
I have a bunch of KP in the 5GHz band. They changed the specs of the antenna and kept the same part number and didn’t notify us ( or anybody). We spent a lot of time troubleshooting trying to figure out why the projected coverage didn’t match the actual coverage. The antenna gain was lowered by 4 db. They just kept telling us that we have a better antenna. That may be so, but it is not the antenna we ordered or planned for. The whole deal left a bad taste so I am looking elsewhere. The boss is definitely not happy with them. On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I havn't personally used them but I was checking out the IT Elite brand at the AF show a couple weeks ago. They had a 90 degree slant 3.65 that was very lightweight and also had a version that had 5ghz and 3.65 in the same panel... I didn't want to use cambium 90's case they had 6db drop offs at the edges. What were your issues with KP? I'm curious cause I am using their 120's and was looking to try something else as well... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I’m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I’d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
It comes and goes. https://www.changedetection.com/log/mikrotik/download2_log.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:54:40 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
I think you just answered your own question. They probably pay $70-100 a month for that 20Mbps LTE. If they won't close to the same they'll probably have to pay close to the same. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] LTE Speed How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
While Steve's suggestion is obviously the best, I would personally just point out the usage caps... 20Mbps doesn't to you much good if you can only use it for half an hour per month. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:09 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: burn their house down and ask them if their LTE is keeping them warm this winter. then spit on their shoe On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I guess another question is what speed does the wireless carrier guarantee? Sure, you did a speedtest and got 20Mbps. But if next week it drops to 10Mbps, can you call the carrier and insist they send a tech out to fix it, or that they upgrade the capacity on your local tower? Is there any speed guarantee at all? Probably not. It’s a best effort service. *From:* Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed I would explain the difference in your service and theirs first (e.i. data caps, reliable speeds, a physical connection, etc. ) If you have a faster package let them know. If LTE really is faster for them and they don't get the differences then they will have to make that call for themselves. They may drop you and rely on their LTE but they will learn real quick whether or not it really is better. They will either comb back with a renewed respect for your service or be gone forever. In the end you can't save people from themselves. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
I'm not saying it's not available, but it's more likely than not available. I've only had luck getting 2x 11 GHz links anywhere from a N-S link in western Kane County to links over in Will County and the whole area between. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:25:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Define “here”. Aurora may be difficult, but not DeKalb. Also depends on direction, height, and beamwidth. Earth curvature is your friend. I have 6 links in 11 GHz and have never had a problem with frequency coordination. It is frustrating though when you see a PCN from a carrier or utility for an 11 GHz link that is only 1 or 2 miles. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
The Cambium/Laird OEM 90 works fine for me. The null-fill is an added benefit. I have customers right up to the edges of sectors and still got more signal than they had on UBNT. On 2/16/2015 11:21 AM, Dan Petermann wrote: What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
I think IT elite might have something like that, or if they don't you might be able convince them to make it. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
[AFMUG] LTE Speed
How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
I havn't personally used them but I was checking out the IT Elite brand at the AF show a couple weeks ago. They had a 90 degree slant 3.65 that was very lightweight and also had a version that had 5ghz and 3.65 in the same panel... I didn't want to use cambium 90's case they had 6db drop offs at the edges. What were your issues with KP? I'm curious cause I am using their 120's and was looking to try something else as well... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I’m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I’d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
A lot of times that doesn't include tethering. They get unlimited to the phone but open up the hot-spot feature and it's a whole different charge. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed Usage cap. 20 Mbps is 9 GB per hour. That's probably close to how much usage their mobile data plan gives them for the whole month for all their devices put together. So after an hour they would potentially be into overusage charges, which can be as high as $10 per GB on mobile. Play on the uncertainty of never knowing if you will get a $1000 cellphone bill because your kids watched Youtube all weekend and you didn't check your data usage. If the customer says they have an unlimited data plan, that may take digging into the fine print to see what convoluted definition their carrier uses for unlimited. How would you feel if you bought a new Tesla and could drive 140mph but a charge only let you drive to the end of your block? Wouldn't you feel the salesmen deceived you? Also, have fun networking your wireless printer, smart TV, home security system, smart light bulbs, game consoles, etc. all via an LTE phone or mobile hotspot. But the main factor is data usage. We get lots of people switching from LTE for this reason. LTE is a great mobile solution. When you are at home, you need a fixed wired or wireless solution, something that gives you a high enough usage cap to do things like watch video and download software updates without blowing through your usage cap and paying huge overusage fees. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] LTE Speed How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
They will download several gigs from their iCloud and app store. I'm not aware of anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:00:28 AM Subject: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix. People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps finished downloading within an hour. Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones on Sunday evening) to making this work right?
Re: [AFMUG] Sm needs to be power cycled after interference? 12.1
Jason,
I seem to be getting empty messages from you. They come in pairs.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:17 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
On Sunday, February 15, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com'); wrote:
Anything earlier than 12.1 needs to be updated to 12.1 first.
Then I would read the 430 to 450 migration notes in the 12.2.2
release notes.
I believe you can go directly from 12.1 to 13.2. If you change
your mind and want to downgrade, I know you can’t go back to
11.2, I don’t remember if you can go back to 12.1, but you
don’t want to be stuck on 12.1 anyway. So once you have the
430/450 interop checkboxes on your 430 SMs, I think you are
stuck with them, luckily that whole thing seems to have been
well thought out. The problem I ran into was having some 430
SMs with 12.2.2 and wanting to deploy them on a 430 AP still
on 11.2, the AP will not be able to display the signal from
those SMs, it will show as NA/NA until you update the AP. But
you can’t downgrade the SM back to 11.2.
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sm needs to be power cycled after
interference? 12.1
That's a lot of release guides to check
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
That's a big jump...I'd check the release guides.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 15, 2015 6:46 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Can i go 12.1-13.2.1? or do I need to update in steps?
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Update to 13.2 or 13.2.1. There are circumstances
where an SM will lose connectivity, and the later
SW handles this better.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/15/2015 10:45 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have a 430 site that has been getting
interference lately, when the interference
happens some SM's drop off of the Sector and
then they won't reconnect until the customer
power cycles their SM, this is on 12.1, is
this a known problem? Really annoying
Re: [AFMUG] Sm needs to be power cycled after interference? 12.1
Weird, I may have pocket emailed.
On Monday, February 16, 2015, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Jason,
I seem to be getting empty messages from you. They come in pairs.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:17 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote:
On Sunday, February 15, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Anything earlier than 12.1 needs to be updated to 12.1 first.
Then I would read the 430 to 450 migration notes in the 12.2.2 release
notes.
I believe you can go directly from 12.1 to 13.2. If you change your
mind and want to downgrade, I know you can’t go back to 11.2, I don’t
remember if you can go back to 12.1, but you don’t want to be stuck on 12.1
anyway. So once you have the 430/450 interop checkboxes on your 430 SMs, I
think you are stuck with them, luckily that whole thing seems to have been
well thought out. The problem I ran into was having some 430 SMs with
12.2.2 and wanting to deploy them on a 430 AP still on 11.2, the AP will
not be able to display the signal from those SMs, it will show as NA/NA
until you update the AP. But you can’t downgrade the SM back to 11.2.
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sm needs to be power cycled after interference?
12.1
That's a lot of release guides to check
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
That's a big jump...I'd check the release guides.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 15, 2015 6:46 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Can i go 12.1-13.2.1? or do I need to update in steps?
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
Update to 13.2 or 13.2.1. There are circumstances where an SM will
lose connectivity, and the later SW handles this better.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/15/2015 10:45 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have a 430 site that has been getting interference lately, when
the interference happens some SM's drop off of the Sector and then they
won't reconnect until the customer power cycles their SM, this is on
12.1,
is this a known problem? Really annoying
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
Define “here”. Aurora may be difficult, but not DeKalb. Also depends on direction, height, and beamwidth. Earth curvature is your friend. I have 6 links in 11 GHz and have never had a problem with frequency coordination. It is frustrating though when you see a PCN from a carrier or utility for an 11 GHz link that is only 1 or 2 miles. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
I guess another question is what speed does the wireless carrier guarantee? Sure, you did a speedtest and got 20Mbps. But if next week it drops to 10Mbps, can you call the carrier and insist they send a tech out to fix it, or that they upgrade the capacity on your local tower? Is there any speed guarantee at all? Probably not. It’s a best effort service. From: Ty Featherling Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed I would explain the difference in your service and theirs first (e.i. data caps, reliable speeds, a physical connection, etc. ) If you have a faster package let them know. If LTE really is faster for them and they don't get the differences then they will have to make that call for themselves. They may drop you and rely on their LTE but they will learn real quick whether or not it really is better. They will either comb back with a renewed respect for your service or be gone forever. In the end you can't save people from themselves. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
[AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix. People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps finished downloading within an hour. Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones on Sunday evening) to making this work right?
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download
Looks like the file is still there, it's just not linked anymore http://www.mikrotik.com/download/routeros-ALL-6.27.torrent On 2/16/2015 9:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It comes and goes. https://www.changedetection.com/log/mikrotik/download2_log.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, February 16, 2015 9:54:40 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik Torrent Download I don't see the .torrent file for all platforms/packages on their site anymore. Did they stop doing a single download for everything?. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed
I would explain the difference in your service and theirs first (e.i. data caps, reliable speeds, a physical connection, etc. ) If you have a faster package let them know. If LTE really is faster for them and they don't get the differences then they will have to make that call for themselves. They may drop you and rely on their LTE but they will learn real quick whether or not it really is better. They will either comb back with a renewed respect for your service or be gone forever. In the end you can't save people from themselves. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection they purchased? I think they are near a tower and are getting something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
I've been using the Cambium sectors. It helps if you think of your coverage area as a square and point the sectors at the corners. -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
get the It elite CPE panel and rotate it 45 degrees to achieve dual slant then Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I piggybacked the thread about sectors to ask about a CPE antenna. Adam, are you talking a sector or directional panel? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes...the Mars antenna was the first one suggested by our vendor. I found several (including IT Elite) with dual V+H, but not dual slant. KP and Beehive both have the gain and the slant pole, but they're both over a hundred. Mars has one for $220, Tessco has them in stock. Good luck getting that down to $80, at that gain and with dual pol. Maybe direct from China. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Does the included mounting hardware support that? get the It elite CPE panel and rotate it 45 degrees to achieve dual slant then Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I piggybacked the thread about sectors to ask about a CPE antenna. Adam, are you talking a sector or directional panel? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes...the Mars antenna was the first one suggested by our vendor. I found several (including IT Elite) with dual V+H, but not dual slant. KP and Beehive both have the gain and the slant pole, but they're both over a hundred. Mars has one for $220, Tessco has them in stock. Good luck getting that down to $80, at that gain and with dual pol. Maybe direct from China. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Mars has one for $220, Tessco has them in stock. Good luck getting that down to $80, at that gain and with dual pol. Maybe direct from China. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Interesting Chromecast behavior
Chromecast broadcasts out for the Chromecast App to configure it I thought.
Regards,
Chuck
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We got a Chromecast to test it out, and it has some interesting behavior.
When it's connected to our home network, it registers with a MAC of
d0:e7:82:da:fa:2c. According to the MAC lookup, that is Azurewave
Technologies (Taiwan).
However, when it is connected and idle, it broadcasts as an unidentified
AP with a MAC of fa:8f:ca:54:24:3b. The MAC lookup on that comes up
unknown and a hidden (or no) SSID. The interesting thing is that the
AP/beacon is about a minute on, and a minute off; over and over again. I
happened to be in our TV room, and this rogue AP showed up while I was
looking at something different on my WiFi Analyzer.
Blew me away because our authorized WiFi AP was in the next room and
reading -65, and this one shows up on the same channel at -55. Wha? Who
dat?!?!
BTW - I'd like Chromecast better if I could control it with my Harmony
remote. Doing 50% between the Chromecast on my phone, and 50% on the
Harmony is not what I would call a pleasant experience.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Interesting Chromecast behavior
That makes sense when it's waiting to be setup, but once it knows how to
connect to the local WiFi, you'd think it would shut the heck up.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 12:00 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Chromecast broadcasts out for the Chromecast App to configure it I
thought.
Regards,
Chuck
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We got a Chromecast to test it out, and it has some interesting
behavior.
When it's connected to our home network, it registers with a MAC
of d0:e7:82:da:fa:2c. According to the MAC lookup, that is
Azurewave Technologies (Taiwan).
However, when it is connected and idle, it broadcasts as an
unidentified AP with a MAC of fa:8f:ca:54:24:3b. The MAC lookup
on that comes up unknown and a hidden (or no) SSID. The
interesting thing is that the AP/beacon is about a minute on, and
a minute off; over and over again. I happened to be in our TV
room, and this rogue AP showed up while I was looking at something
different on my WiFi Analyzer.
Blew me away because our authorized WiFi AP was in the next room
and reading -65, and this one shows up on the same channel at -55.
Wha? Who dat?!?!
BTW - I'd like Chromecast better if I could control it with my
Harmony remote. Doing 50% between the Chromecast on my phone, and
50% on the Harmony is not what I would call a pleasant experience.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Sorry, I piggybacked the thread about sectors to ask about a CPE antenna. Adam, are you talking a sector or directional panel? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes...the Mars antenna was the first one suggested by our vendor. I found several (including IT Elite) with dual V+H, but not dual slant. KP and Beehive both have the gain and the slant pole, but they're both over a hundred. Mars has one for $220, Tessco has them in stock. Good luck getting that down to $80, at that gain and with dual pol. Maybe direct from China. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] Frequency coordinator
Liz Creekmore l...@intelpath.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Who is the frequency coordinator of choice these days for licensed links?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
I've seen this with a handful of routers. Some weird bug I guess. The customer doesn't complain of issues, I just see multiple MACs on their radio's bridge table. Only the WAN MAC of the router pulls dhcp from us. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
usually this happens when the customer has plugged in their internet connection into port 1 - 4 instead of the wan / internet port On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
By witchcraft you mean possibly broken? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links
The couple times we've had some contention, it's been HFT guys, but yeah, they haven't made things any easier. At least HFT guys spend the money for bigger dishes. The cell guys use dishes two sizes too small, IMHO. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:40:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links No doubt Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile have made it harder over the past couple years with their 4G upgrades. Just like WISPs, the average distance between towers makes 11 GHz the go-to band. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I'm not saying it's not available, but it's more likely than not available. I've only had luck getting 2x 11 GHz links anywhere from a N-S link in western Kane County to links over in Will County and the whole area between. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:25:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Define “here”. Aurora may be difficult, but not DeKalb. Also depends on direction, height, and beamwidth. Earth curvature is your friend. I have 6 links in 11 GHz and have never had a problem with frequency coordination. It is frustrating though when you see a PCN from a carrier or utility for an 11 GHz link that is only 1 or 2 miles. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links I assume 11 GHz doesn't exist around here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:09:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links In that distance range 11, 18 and 23 GHz would all be candidates. Depending on frequency coordination, antenna size constraints, and desire to use common equipment across your network. 23 GHz licensed is allowed higher EIRP than 24 GHz UL and will go farther, so at 2 miles I would definitely consider it. But like someone said, run the numbers. And assume historical rain data may be optimistic, unless you are a climate change denier. We seem to have several 100 year storms per year now. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Indeed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links Near Chicago? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that distance? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We still have a bunch of 900 FSK left out there and today is all ice every ice about 1 thick on antennas. got several customers to upgrade to new 450 3.65 service with ease and no fuss LOL I get the I have TV but no internet phrase. On 2/16/2015 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It only makes sense to plug something into itself... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:05 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: My fave is the I pressed the reset several times an plugged in a blue cable I found Router is placed into a loop because the blue cable is plugged into 2 separate ports. Make me want to use an .50 cal eagle and blow a hole in it and state that should do it :) On 02/16/2015 03:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: By witchcraft you mean possibly broken? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 --
Re: [AFMUG] Frequency coordinator
Liz for sure! On 2/16/2015 3:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Who is the frequency coordinator of choice these days for licensed links?
Re: [AFMUG] Frequency coordinator
Agreed. Liz is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com, Liz Creekmore l...@intelpath.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 3:17:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frequency coordinator Liz Creekmore l...@intelpath.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Who is the frequency coordinator of choice these days for licensed links?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
our tech was onsite, replaced a bad cable, this was a new router the customer had to replace ours. Ive seen dlinks lock in switch mode on boot, but it fully bridges, The Apple routers, if they detect a non routable IP on the WAN will switch to AP only mode, but this is in router mode, up and running without a problem. The MACs coming through are only wireless devices, he connected to the wireless to verify he had interwebs and he did, getting IP from the routers DHCP server, those device DHCP requests arent coming out, just very odd to see On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen this with a handful of routers. Some weird bug I guess. The customer doesn't complain of issues, I just see multiple MACs on their radio's bridge table. Only the WAN MAC of the router pulls dhcp from us. -Ty On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
That's what I do with all of my battery backups. Unlimited, grid-free power! Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 2/16/2015 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It only makes sense to plug something into itself... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:05 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: My fave is the I pressed the reset several times an plugged in a blue cable I found Router is placed into a loop because the blue cable is plugged into 2 separate ports. Make me want to use an .50 cal eagle and blow a hole in it and state that should do it :) On 02/16/2015 03:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: By witchcraft you mean possibly broken? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
Yeah, obscure Chinese shit. Nothing that I'd want to buy, even for $50. I bought this adapter for the HP. http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Ethernet-Compatible-Smartphones-AX88772A/dp/B00RM3KXAU Found out from their site that it will work with my Moto X as well. I had no idea the Moto X's USB was OTG capable. Doesn't do me much good if I'm on-site and need to MAC Winbox into a router though. That's why I bought the HP Stream. We'll see how it goes. I'm just tired of lugging the laptop around. On 2/16/2015 5:25 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of the decade. 100Gbps already exists. On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves. The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. *From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Douglas Adams had the answer years ago.
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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 3:19 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there
was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other
limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio
spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or
any of that.
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Getting UBNT Non M series SM's to connect to an M series AP.?
Thanks, I got it to work! Now off to impress the boss with my powerful knowledge. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Yay! I'll get back on the project then. thanks for the input guys. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Sort of. I have 3 legacy radios talking to the same Rocket 5M. 2 of them work, 1 only works if I turn off security. So with nothing else to lose and a 7 hours of driving to fix 1 customer, I tried turning of AutoAck on the one that wouldn’t connect., it flipping works. I also have channel shifting available. Thanks guys for the suggestion. This is a really stupid bug though. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 8:57 PM *To:* Josh Luthman *Cc:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting UBNT Non M series SM's to connect to an M series AP.? We still have quite a bit of legacy cpes working with M APs. Works fine. :: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message was sent via mobile device On Feb 12, 2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You can doubt it all you want... I'm doing it. The other day I saw Pico m2hp with old and M Nanos. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 12, 2015 10:31 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Mixing legacy clients with Airmax enabled AP's? I doubt that. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:58pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting UBNT Non M series SM's to connect to an M series AP.? I never set ACK. Anywhere. On any device. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 12, 2015 7:49 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Half-way correct. Legacy devices must have at least 4.0.1 -and- static ACK set. Auto-ack and they will not pass data. Also found that with legacy devices you want to use station instead of station-wds and ap-wds at the AP. Doesn't make any sense, never understood it. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:53pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting UBNT Non M series SM's to connect to an M series AP.? Upgrade non M to 4.0.1 and they'll talk AirMax to an M ap. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 12, 2015 6:51 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: Turn Airmax off — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Is this even possible? I have been dinking with an AP and SM here on the bench for a while and can't get them to talk. The other way around, no problem. Trying to not have to do a mass swap of SM's in order to upgrade an AP if I can get away with it. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves. The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
The entire radio spectrum? From dc to daylight? I don't think anyone can answer that question for you On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Multiply that by about 300 (largest WDM platform I've heard of). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:50:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of the decade. 100Gbps already exists. On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves. The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
I'm guessing you head to infinity on that one. The shortest wavelength is 1.616 x 10^-35 meters or a frequency of 1.8552 x 10^43 Hz. Unfortunately the amount of energy required to create that frequency also results in the creation of a black hole and your transmitter disappears. Mark On 2/16/15 6:19 PM, That One Guy wrote: Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
There are USB adapters as after market options. Some require root, some don't. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Frequency coordinator
Given a choice I would go to (1) Liz Creekmore, (2) Radyn, (3) Comsearch.
They all do good work, but Liz makes it more personal.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Who is the frequency coordinator of choice these days for licensed links?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set
for bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP
on the WAN interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other
routers that I know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the
canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address
from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort
of witchcraft on Belkins part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I installed many years ago never passed data and phone calls? I knew I was kidding myself. Jaime Solorza On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves. The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Afaik its 400 gbps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, February 16, 2015 at 7:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of the decade. 100Gbps already exists. On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves. The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. From: That One Guymailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Oh, yeah, photon energy. I forgot about that. So there is an upper limit. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput I'm guessing you head to infinity on that one. The shortest wavelength is 1.616 x 10^-35 meters or a frequency of 1.8552 x 10^43 Hz.Unfortunately the amount of energy required to create that frequency also results in the creation of a black hole and your transmitter disappears. Mark On 2/16/15 6:19 PM, That One Guy wrote: Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or any of that. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
XM 5.5.10 XW you might want to try beta more so if you are mixing the 2 — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
Out of 90 radios from nanostation loco M5s to nanobeam M5 300s to rockets and everything in between that I've upgraded to XW 5.5.10 I've had issues with only two. Both of those two had the exact same issue. I can no longer connect via the LAN port. It will get the PoE just fine, but completely stopped any traffic from going through the LAN port. It won't even show connected on anything anymore. This happened immediately after the upgrade at different times on two different radios, so I can only assume it was the upgrade that caused the issue. The 5.5.10 opened up the UNI-I band on some radios and dropped the noise floor by more than 10db on all of them. I've had to reboot or even power cycle some customers radios from time to time, but it's pretty stable. I think it's worth the risk to upgrade in most cases. If it breaks, you can always RMA, though I haven't had a chance to with mine yet. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:49 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: XM 5.5.10 XW you might want to try beta more so if you are mixing the 2 — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
I have seen Belkin routers do that while booting, are you sure the rogue MAC
addresses don’t time age of the radio bridging table or go away if you reboot
the radio?
From: That One Guy
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We did check that, its not. Other than the MACs showing up in the wrong place,
it works fine, Id never seen that before on a functioning device. Is there some
magic new protocol out there that would need a MAC to show up there? I would
assume the router WAN can see it to, and Id guess that would cause a little
confusion for the device, but its not. Its quite possible that Belkin has
resorted to sorcery.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set for
bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP on the WAN
interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other routers that I
know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router
and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins
part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
Apple Time Capsules ship in bridge mode. Not a Belkin, but still it is a
pain. Someone resets them to factory default and then we have to walk them
through setting them back to router mode and ignoring double NAT before
they will even route. Then, you can't even hard set port speed on ANY
Apple routers?! Did I mention how much I hate Apple routers?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:10 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
i had thought that too, but the tech didnt connect wirelessly until after
it was up and running and his mac showed up. they even came back after
rebooting the radio
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I have seen Belkin routers do that while booting, are you sure the
rogue MAC addresses don’t time age of the radio bridging table or go away
if you reboot the radio?
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 8:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We did check that, its not. Other than the MACs showing up in the wrong
place, it works fine, Id never seen that before on a functioning device. Is
there some magic new protocol out there that would need a MAC to show up
there? I would assume the router WAN can see it to, and Id guess that would
cause a little confusion for the device, but its not. Its quite possible
that Belkin has resorted to sorcery.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set
for bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP on
the WAN interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other
routers that I know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the
router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft
on Belkins part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
Does the Nexus work with the dongle? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 10:57 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a cheap tablet with Ethernet on Ebay for under a hundred bucks. It lasted one week and then it would infinitely reboot. GARBAGE. I love my Nexus 7. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:41 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yeah, obscure Chinese shit. Nothing that I'd want to buy, even for $50. I bought this adapter for the HP. http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Ethernet-Compatible-Smartphones-AX88772A/dp/B00RM3KXAU Found out from their site that it will work with my Moto X as well. I had no idea the Moto X's USB was OTG capable. Doesn't do me much good if I'm on-site and need to MAC Winbox into a router though. That's why I bought the HP Stream. We'll see how it goes. I'm just tired of lugging the laptop around. On 2/16/2015 5:25 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
Nice! Almost beat my Redline uptime ;) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:27 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Thanks guys! Sacrificing this uptime to gain channels….. And fixing the horrendous programming. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 10:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5 Out of 90 radios from nanostation loco M5s to nanobeam M5 300s to rockets and everything in between that I've upgraded to XW 5.5.10 I've had issues with only two. Both of those two had the exact same issue. I can no longer connect via the LAN port. It will get the PoE just fine, but completely stopped any traffic from going through the LAN port. It won't even show connected on anything anymore. This happened immediately after the upgrade at different times on two different radios, so I can only assume it was the upgrade that caused the issue. The 5.5.10 opened up the UNI-I band on some radios and dropped the noise floor by more than 10db on all of them. I've had to reboot or even power cycle some customers radios from time to time, but it's pretty stable. I think it's worth the risk to upgrade in most cases. If it breaks, you can always RMA, though I haven't had a chance to with mine yet. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:49 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: XM 5.5.10 XW you might want to try beta more so if you are mixing the 2 — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65
That's the only case in which I've used it! :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:40 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to utilize. Is it worth the aggravation for 3.65 in point to point? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna
Adam, No it currently doesn't, not without drilling some different holes on the L bracket. I talked to the IT Elite guy at his booth at AF and suggested that they drill some more holes in the L bracket so the CPE panels can be mounted at 45 degrees and he seemed very interested in getting that done. I also told him to get a connectorized 450SM in 3.65ghz flavor with this new combination and have it setup on the next booth at Wispamerica and he said he would so we'll see.. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Does the included mounting hardware support that? get the It elite CPE panel and rotate it 45 degrees to achieve dual slant then Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I piggybacked the thread about sectors to ask about a CPE antenna. Adam, are you talking a sector or directional panel? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes...the Mars antenna was the first one suggested by our vendor. I found several (including IT Elite) with dual V+H, but not dual slant. KP and Beehive both have the gain and the slant pole, but they're both over a hundred. Mars has one for $220, Tessco has them in stock. Good luck getting that down to $80, at that gain and with dual pol. Maybe direct from China. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 Antenna Along the same vein, I'd love to find a 20+ dbi dual slant antenna for $50-80 for CPE. Seems to be a white whale.I can get any two of the three criteria. What is the general thought on the best 3.65 antennas for a PMP450? I�m looking for 90 degree sectors. I ran into problems with KP so I�d like to see what else is available.
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We did check that, its not. Other than the MACs showing up in the wrong
place, it works fine, Id never seen that before on a functioning device. Is
there some magic new protocol out there that would need a MAC to show up
there? I would assume the router WAN can see it to, and Id guess that would
cause a little confusion for the device, but its not. Its quite possible
that Belkin has resorted to sorcery.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set
for bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP on
the WAN interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other
routers that I know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the
router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft
on Belkins part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
i had thought that too, but the tech didnt connect wirelessly until after
it was up and running and his mac showed up. they even came back after
rebooting the radio
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I have seen Belkin routers do that while booting, are you sure the
rogue MAC addresses don’t time age of the radio bridging table or go away
if you reboot the radio?
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 8:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We did check that, its not. Other than the MACs showing up in the wrong
place, it works fine, Id never seen that before on a functioning device. Is
there some magic new protocol out there that would need a MAC to show up
there? I would assume the router WAN can see it to, and Id guess that would
cause a little confusion for the device, but its not. Its quite possible
that Belkin has resorted to sorcery.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set
for bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP on
the WAN interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other
routers that I know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the
router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft
on Belkins part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
5.5.10 gets you UNI-I and has worked fine for me. -Ty On Feb 16, 2015 9:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
[AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
I bought a cheap tablet with Ethernet on Ebay for under a hundred bucks. It lasted one week and then it would infinitely reboot. GARBAGE. I love my Nexus 7. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:41 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yeah, obscure Chinese shit. Nothing that I'd want to buy, even for $50. I bought this adapter for the HP. http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Ethernet-Compatible-Smartphones-AX88772A/dp/B00RM3KXAU Found out from their site that it will work with my Moto X as well. I had no idea the Moto X's USB was OTG capable. Doesn't do me much good if I'm on-site and need to MAC Winbox into a router though. That's why I bought the HP Stream. We'll see how it goes. I'm just tired of lugging the laptop around. On 2/16/2015 5:25 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
Thanks guys! Sacrificing this uptime to gain channels….. And fixing the horrendous programming. [cid:image001.png@01D04A37.A91ED050] From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5 Out of 90 radios from nanostation loco M5s to nanobeam M5 300s to rockets and everything in between that I've upgraded to XW 5.5.10 I've had issues with only two. Both of those two had the exact same issue. I can no longer connect via the LAN port. It will get the PoE just fine, but completely stopped any traffic from going through the LAN port. It won't even show connected on anything anymore. This happened immediately after the upgrade at different times on two different radios, so I can only assume it was the upgrade that caused the issue. The 5.5.10 opened up the UNI-I band on some radios and dropped the noise floor by more than 10db on all of them. I've had to reboot or even power cycle some customers radios from time to time, but it's pretty stable. I think it's worth the risk to upgrade in most cases. If it breaks, you can always RMA, though I haven't had a chance to with mine yet. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:49 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.commailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: XM 5.5.10 XW you might want to try beta more so if you are mixing the 2 — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot.
[AFMUG] ptp 3.65
Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to utilize. Is it worth the aggravation for 3.65 in point to point? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65
Does it work well? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:42pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65 That's the only case in which I've used it! :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:40 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to utilize. Is it worth the aggravation for 3.65 in point to point? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 )
[AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
It only makes sense to plug something into itself... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:05 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: My fave is the I pressed the reset several times an plugged in a blue cable I found Router is placed into a loop because the blue cable is plugged into 2 separate ports. Make me want to use an .50 cal eagle and blow a hole in it and state that should do it :) On 02/16/2015 03:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: By witchcraft you mean possibly broken? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft on Belkins part? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65
its going to work as well as any other standard band, just likely to have less interference and less available channels with a power cap. The question would be what product youre looking for. there isnt alot of ptp in 3.65 out there. UBNT is always there, of you like m5 youll like m365. There is no magic in the band. There are however ponies, and lots of them On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Does it work well? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:42pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65 That's the only case in which I've used it! :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:40 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to utilize. Is it worth the aggravation for 3.65 in point to point? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65
Slightly better near los than 5 ghz. I'm using Powerbridges. Two links in them total. First one ran 5.2 for a long time, I upgraded after that security issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 17, 2015 12:06 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: its going to work as well as any other standard band, just likely to have less interference and less available channels with a power cap. The question would be what product youre looking for. there isnt alot of ptp in 3.65 out there. UBNT is always there, of you like m5 youll like m365. There is no magic in the band. There are however ponies, and lots of them On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Does it work well? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:42pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp 3.65 That's the only case in which I've used it! :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:40 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to utilize. Is it worth the aggravation for 3.65 in point to point? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5
ouch. weve moved to 5.5.10 on all ubnt gear I ran into one issue with an nbm5 we upgraded, it was powered by a toughswitch. When the upgrade rebooted the radio didnt come back up. went and tested and the toughswitch was working fine, it powers other radios no problem. the upgraded nbm5 will power on with one of the POEs just not a toughswitch, even tested with a different switch, was an odd thing. I dont know if it was related to upgrading the firmware, could have just been something that was going to happen the next time it rebooted. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Nice! Almost beat my Redline uptime ;) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 16, 2015 11:27 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Thanks guys! Sacrificing this uptime to gain channels….. And fixing the horrendous programming. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 10:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5 Out of 90 radios from nanostation loco M5s to nanobeam M5 300s to rockets and everything in between that I've upgraded to XW 5.5.10 I've had issues with only two. Both of those two had the exact same issue. I can no longer connect via the LAN port. It will get the PoE just fine, but completely stopped any traffic from going through the LAN port. It won't even show connected on anything anymore. This happened immediately after the upgrade at different times on two different radios, so I can only assume it was the upgrade that caused the issue. The 5.5.10 opened up the UNI-I band on some radios and dropped the noise floor by more than 10db on all of them. I've had to reboot or even power cycle some customers radios from time to time, but it's pretty stable. I think it's worth the risk to upgrade in most cases. If it breaks, you can always RMA, though I haven't had a chance to with mine yet. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:49 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: XM 5.5.10 XW you might want to try beta more so if you are mixing the 2 — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there. What do I want? Short PTP shot. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch
On Sunday, February 15, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: New vendor, new product, product that works? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','je...@richardson.bz'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:01:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch Looks like the WS-12-250 would be a much better alternative for our sites than the TS8-Pro we are using now. I presume the AC and DC versions are identical with the AC version having the internal 250W power supply? It's a bit disconcerting that they can't seem to keep them in stock. Jerry -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch Take a look at page 6 of the manual--they have that exact sample config: http://store.netonix.com/media/wysiwyg/ws-specsheet.pdf On 2/15/2015 1:44 PM, Craig House wrote: Can you manage traffic across the air fiber backhaul port and brought it to another switch port so that you may plug it directly into a router as opposed to the network being bridged? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2015, at 13:12, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','keefe...@ethoplex.com'); wrote: They are awesome. We are replacing all of our cisco and ubnt toughswitches with netonix switches. The fact that they can power airfibers and some microwave radios is great too. They also have way more port statistics that a toughswitch so you can better troubleshoot issues. On 2/14/2015 9:41 PM, Craig House wrote: Who is using them? Better than UBNT Toughswitch? Are the ports all both 24 or 48v like the tough switch and can they be turned on / off for POE or are they on POE all the time? thanks Craig
