Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Jaime Solorza]

These as well.

https://www.panduit.com/en/products/wire-routing-management-protection/cable-wire-ties-mounts-straps.html
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 9, 2018 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> We use these sometimes in enclosures to hold wires tied down with wire
> ties especially inside our cable management systems.   If required we also
> screw them into back panels. https://www.google.com/search?
> q=panduit+sgabm25-at-c0+cable+tie+mounting+pad,4-way,black,
> pk100=shop=seller:100446302,rt:4,pgb:1,cid:266062131006318401,pid:
> 7742393566737078290,oid:2629468581556939237,lsfqd:0=en-US=Iml-
> WuScE4LWtQXogoKgDA=gclid:CjwKCAiAqvXTBRBuEiwAE54dcGGbbJ9XpYXx-eZnn5_
> gDij9Nb3iHaSoshDcm2nnKTHJj7zJbApsFhoCzecQAvD_BwE
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 8:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> That's robbery
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 8:59:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires
>>
>> it works but they run 40 some bucks around here
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys
>>> is basically trying to 3d print something like this
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit
>>> -GBK14CS/100175627
>>>
>>> with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off
>>> cables coming into the box to?
>>>
>>>
>>> (not sure the image will come through)
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Jaime Solorza]

We use these sometimes in enclosures to hold wires tied down with wire ties
especially inside our cable management systems.   If required we also screw
them into back panels.
https://www.google.com/search?q=panduit+sgabm25-at-c0+cable+tie+mounting+pad,4-way,black,pk100=shop=seller:100446302,rt:4,pgb:1,cid:266062131006318401,pid:7742393566737078290,oid:2629468581556939237,lsfqd:0=en-US=Iml-WuScE4LWtQXogoKgDA=gclid:CjwKCAiAqvXTBRBuEiwAE54dcGGbbJ9XpYXx-eZnn5_gDij9Nb3iHaSoshDcm2nnKTHJj7zJbApsFhoCzecQAvD_BwE

On Feb 9, 2018 8:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> That's robbery
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 8:59:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires
>
> it works but they run 40 some bucks around here
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys is
>> basically trying to 3d print something like this
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM,   wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit
>> -GBK14CS/100175627
>>
>> with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off
>> cables coming into the box to?
>>
>>
>> (not sure the image will come through)
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Adam Moffett]

That's robbery

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 8:59:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires


it works but they run 40 some bucks around here

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Jon Langeler 
 wrote:
I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys 
is basically trying to 3d print something like this


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM,   wrote:


I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627 



with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off 
cables coming into the box to?



(not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Steve Jones]

it works but they run 40 some bucks around here

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys is
> basically trying to 3d print something like this
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM,   wrote:
>
> I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-
> Kit-GBK14CS/100175627
>
> with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off
> cables coming into the box to?
>
>
> (not sure the image will come through)
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Jon Langeler]

I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys is 
basically trying to 3d print something like this 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627
>  
> with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off cables 
> coming into the box to?
>  
>  
> (not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Adam Moffett]

If someone gets overzealous they can crush their wire flat.  It 
definitely ain't coming out though.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:17:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

Or leave the screws.  Space it off the back of the box such that the 
holes line up with the connectors on the PCB.

Use the screws to clamp the wires.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 4:15 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires


Someone who knows what it is might try grounding with it.  And they'll 
complain you didn't include the screws.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:10:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] tying down wires


I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off 
cables coming into the box to?



(not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[chuck]

Or leave the screws.  Space it off the back of the box such that the holes line 
up with the connectors on the PCB.
Use the screws to clamp the wires.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires


Someone who knows what it is might try grounding with it.  And they'll complain 
you didn't include the screws.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:10:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] tying down wires

  I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
  https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

  with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off cables 
coming into the box to?


  (not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[chuck]

That is because it is a floating ground...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires


Someone who knows what it is might try grounding with it.  And they'll complain 
you didn't include the screws.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:10:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] tying down wires

  I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
  https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

  with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off cables 
coming into the box to?


  (not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Adam Moffett]

Someone who knows what it is might try grounding with it.  And they'll 
complain you didn't include the screws.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:10:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] tying down wires


I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off 
cables coming into the box to?



(not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires

[Adam Moffett]

Hahaha, a creative solution



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 6:10:38 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] tying down wires


I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off 
cables coming into the box to?



(not sure the image will come through)

[AFMUG] tying down wires

[chuck]

I wonder if I put one of these in the box:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627

with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off cables 
coming into the box to?


(not sure the image will come through)

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[chuck]

Yeahbut, with Walmart, you get what you pay for you know.  Nothing but 
Walmart's best for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

They have two versions, one is the "premium" with a little more capacity.

On 02/09/2018 01:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Odd, I went to Walmart and entered 29DC and every one came back as no 
longer available or out of stock.

Walmart #: 550341783

Then one popped up in my local store.
Walmart #: 563424242 for $86.83

Looks like the exact same battery but with a different SKU.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

There is another 29DC version, I don't know if you got the cheaper or
the $10 more expensive version but you can use them together.   They are
close enough that they shouldn't scavenge each other...

On 02/09/2018 01:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I did an in store pickup.  It said they had 6 but only had 3 when we got 
there.  And ever since they have not been available anywhere.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying no 
longer available.   Arrgh.

Wonder what is the closest...

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[Robert Andrews]

They have two versions, one is the "premium" with a little more capacity.

On 02/09/2018 01:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Odd, I went to Walmart and entered 29DC and every one came back as no 
longer available or out of stock.

Walmart #: 550341783

Then one popped up in my local store.
Walmart #: 563424242 for $86.83

Looks like the exact same battery but with a different SKU.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

There is another 29DC version, I don't know if you got the cheaper or
the $10 more expensive version but you can use them together.   They are
close enough that they shouldn't scavenge each other...

On 02/09/2018 01:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I did an in store pickup.  It said they had 6 but only had 3 when we 
got there.  And ever since they have not been available anywhere.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying 
no longer available.   Arrgh.

Wonder what is the closest...

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[chuck]

Odd, I went to Walmart and entered 29DC and every one came back as no longer 
available or out of stock.

Walmart #: 550341783

Then one popped up in my local store.
Walmart #: 563424242 for $86.83

Looks like the exact same battery but with a different SKU.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

There is another 29DC version, I don't know if you got the cheaper or
the $10 more expensive version but you can use them together.   They are
close enough that they shouldn't scavenge each other...

On 02/09/2018 01:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I did an in store pickup.  It said they had 6 but only had 3 when we got 
there.  And ever since they have not been available anywhere.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying no 
longer available.   Arrgh.

Wonder what is the closest...

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[Robert Andrews]

There is another 29DC version, I don't know if you got the cheaper or 
the $10 more expensive version but you can use them together.   They are 
close enough that they shouldn't scavenge each other...


On 02/09/2018 01:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I did an in store pickup.  It said they had 6 but only had 3 when we got 
there.  And ever since they have not been available anywhere.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying 
no longer available.   Arrgh.
Wonder what is the closest... 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

This is all I have right now:



Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:33 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Isn't the 3k is supposed to give us 4x4 MIMO and beam steering? And not just 
> uplink beam steering like the 2k BSA, but also downlink, IIRC.
> 
>> On 2/9/2018 3:22 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> The 300s will work with both legacy 1000/2000 and with the new 3000.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, you'll get 
>>> some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I don't know that there 
>>> will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz channel. As far as I know, 
>>> they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 2000 APs, but it's possible 
>>> something has changed there. At any rate, all of the old SMs should be work 
>>> with the 3000 APs. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
 will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with 
 the 200APs?
 as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though, 
 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?
 
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>  wrote:
> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 
> 30-45 days from then.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> 
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
>> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I 
>> still haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be 
>> shipping any day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for 
>> a few more months, from what I've heard. 
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>> I believe SM, but not AP
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>>> 
 Is that out yet?
 
 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.
 
>>> 
 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[George Skorup]

Isn't the 3k is supposed to give us 4x4 MIMO and beam steering? And not 
just uplink beam steering like the 2k BSA, but also downlink, IIRC.


On 2/9/2018 3:22 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

The 300s will work with both legacy 1000/2000 and with the new 3000.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 

On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, 
you'll get some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I 
don't know that there will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz 
channel. As far as I know, they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 
2000 APs, but it's possible something has changed there. At any rate, 
all of the old SMs should be work with the 3000 APs.


On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz
channels with the 200APs?
as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible
though, 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> wrote:

300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a
week.  Figure 30-45 days from then.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 

On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:


They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for
awhile, but I still haven't gotten the ones I have on
order... I expect they'll be shipping any day now. The epmp
3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more months,
from what I've heard.

On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett" > wrote:

I believe SM, but not AP

-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

Is that out yet?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[chuck]

I did an in store pickup.  It said they had 6 but only had 3 when we got 
there.  And ever since they have not been available anywhere.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bummed

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying no 
longer available.   Arrgh.
Wonder what is the closest... 

Re: [AFMUG] bummed

[Robert Andrews]

Did you get them online?

On 02/09/2018 11:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying no 
longer available.   Arrgh.

Wonder what is the closest...

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The 300s will work with both legacy 1000/2000 and with the new 3000.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, you'll get 
> some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I don't know that there 
> will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz channel. As far as I know, 
> they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 2000 APs, but it's possible 
> something has changed there. At any rate, all of the old SMs should be work 
> with the 3000 APs. 
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with 
>> the 200APs?
>> as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though, 
>> 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
>>> wrote:
>>> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 
>>> 30-45 days from then.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> 
 On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
 
 They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still 
 haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping 
 any day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more 
 months, from what I've heard. 
 
> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
 
> I believe SM, but not AP
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
> 
>> Is that out yet?
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, you'll get
some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I don't know that there
will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz channel. As far as I know,
they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 2000 APs, but it's possible
something has changed there. At any rate, all of the old SMs should be work
with the 3000 APs.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with
> the 200APs?
> as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though,
> 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
>> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure
>> 30-45 days from then.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still
>> haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping any
>> day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more
>> months, from what I've heard.
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe SM, but not AP
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>>>
>>> Is that out yet?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.


>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Steve Jones]

will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with
the 200APs?
as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though,
1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure
> 30-45 days from then.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still
> haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping any
> day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more
> months, from what I've heard.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I believe SM, but not AP
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>>
>> Is that out yet?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Steve Jones]

panduit is the bomb inside when you just cant get in a wall, i love it, i
want to .. um well, you know

Telecraft says Graybar and Power & Tel are distributors of theirs. I dont
know the price though. I came across it looking for a replacement loader
for the RB2 staple gun

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Not a clue. This was at least a decade ago. Sort of like this:
>
> https://www.cableorganizer.com/surface-raceways/
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/9/2018 9:53 AM, Robert wrote:
>
>> Price?(y)?
>>
>> On 2/9/18 9:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>>> I've used something similar (but way different) where we had to add
>>> structured wiring after the fact. Sort of a surface-mount conduit. The
>>> stuff we used we ran along the baseboard, and it just made the baseboard
>>> look "thicker". Turned out better than I expected.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2018 9:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
 anybody using this?
 http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

>>>
>>>
>

[AFMUG] bummed

[chuck]

Bought 3 of the 29DC batts from Walmart.  I need 4.  Now it is saying no longer 
available.   Arrgh.  
Wonder what is the closest...

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Bill Prince]

Not a clue. This was at least a decade ago. Sort of like this:

https://www.cableorganizer.com/surface-raceways/

bp


On 2/9/2018 9:53 AM, Robert wrote:

Price?(y)?

On 2/9/18 9:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I've used something similar (but way different) where we had to add 
structured wiring after the fact. Sort of a surface-mount conduit. 
The stuff we used we ran along the baseboard, and it just made the 
baseboard look "thicker". Turned out better than I expected.



bp


On 2/9/2018 9:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 30-45 
days from then.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still 
> haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping any 
> day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more months, 
> from what I've heard. 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>> I believe SM, but not AP
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>> 
>>> Is that out yet?
>>> 
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

Yeah, that has been asked for.  I can do it but it will be ugly.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It would be cool to have 4 single-mode duplex LC couplers in that box too.


On 2/9/2018 9:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I can, just trying to keep cost down.� I am using my regular tower surge 
protector enclosure.� 
  Will have 4 circuits in and 4 circuits out.� 
  �
  From: Dave 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
  �
  What about a single loop on the actual enclosure either at the convergence of 
cables entry or at each connector?
  something like a raised loop large enough to pass 1/4" zip tie and small 
enough at each connector to pass a 1/8" zip

  Dave
  �


  On 02/09/2018 09:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.
�
Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can 
be passed down behind the board and back up.� 
�
Any better ways?


  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Mathew Howard]

They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still
haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping any
day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more
months, from what I've heard.

On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I believe SM, but not AP
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>
> Is that out yet?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[George Skorup]

It would be cool to have 4 single-mode duplex LC couplers in that box too.

On 2/9/2018 9:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I can, just trying to keep cost down.� I am using my regular tower 
surge protector enclosure.

Will have 4 circuits in and 4 circuits out.
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
What about a single loop on the actual enclosure either at the 
convergence of cables entry or at each connector?
something like a raised loop large enough to pass 1/4" zip tie and 
small enough at each connector to pass a 1/8" zip


Dave
�

On 02/09/2018 09:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.

�
Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip 
tie can be passed down behind the board and back up.�

�
Any better ways?


--

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Adam Moffett]

Not me.  When I've wanted weed whacker protection I cut a slot into a 1' 
chunk of pvc conduit with an angle grinder.  Then I slip it over the 
cable and use a normal conduit strap.  I only did that a couple of 
times, but if I wanted it to be SOP then I'd run 10' sticks through a 
table saw to make the slot and then pre-cut 10' sections.





-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 12:33:47 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs


anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Robert]

Price?(y)?

On 2/9/18 9:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I've used something similar (but way different) where we had to add 
structured wiring after the fact. Sort of a surface-mount conduit. The 
stuff we used we ran along the baseboard, and it just made the baseboard 
look "thicker". Turned out better than I expected.



bp


On 2/9/2018 9:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Bill Prince]

I've used something similar (but way different) where we had to add 
structured wiring after the fact. Sort of a surface-mount conduit. The 
stuff we used we ran along the baseboard, and it just made the baseboard 
look "thicker". Turned out better than I expected.



bp


On 2/9/2018 9:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[chuck]

I will use a GPS disciplined reference signal to gate the actual timing pulse 
stream.  
It is inserting the correct F bit every 193 bits that is the trick.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 10:23 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

gcc -o output hello.c 

Will compile hello.c to an executable called output

You may need to add switches for libraries to include.

I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough accuracy 
under Linux, without extreme programming measures.

I'd suggest a digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You should 
be able to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)

On Feb 9, 2018 8:44 AM,  wrote:

  OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
  And it needs stuff inside it.

  This is one example I found:
all: output_file_name 
output_file_name: main.o 
gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name 
main.o: main.c 
gcc -c main.c 
clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name

  I presume this is like a batch file.  
  I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.

  I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some such 
thing.
  Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably related to 
an object file.  

  I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just getting over 
this initial hump.  

  Like, where do you put the key in this car.  

  (there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the 
accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would not engage 
unless it was fully depressed.  )


  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World


  A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the dependency 
is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then compile it". It can be 
as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more complicated if there are 
libraries and such. However, in the simple case of your hello.c, I would put 
everything in the same directory. As the project grows, you would move your 
source (*.c) files into a "source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a 
bin directory. Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of 
those file. So linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are 
dependent on the sources.

  Make should be installed already.


  bp   
  On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I hate make files.  I love IDEs.  

  Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like it.
  Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit the make 
button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to have a gcc 
make somewhere.

  So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other project 
files be in?
  Should the make file be there with it?
  Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:

  1.  hello.c source 

  void main {
  printf(“hello world”);
  }
  (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do 
need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC presumably 
with the make file.

  2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.  

  Did I say I hate make files?  

  I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some file 
names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like to make my 
Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I change the name 
of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my sons is trying to 
encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that 
because this is a simple bit banging project.  

  I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
  If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.  

  My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started doing 
a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

  (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Dave]

Im with chuck on this one.
Working in an IDE is so much simpler than worrying about if I have all 
the libraries and the correct engine to compile

all this done when the ide is opened.

 However I do alot in linux and so long as you as you can do an install 
of the make application then linux os will use the
source dependencies to locate all files necessary to install Make 
correctly and for your OS being used.
 If you go about it the long way trying to build from source it will 
take much more knowledge of what all is needed to build it

correctly.



On 02/09/2018 10:36 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the 
dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then 
compile it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more 
complicated if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple 
case of your hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As 
the project grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a 
"source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. 
Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of those 
file. So linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are 
dependent on the sources.


Make should be installed already.

bp


On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really 
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit 
the make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you 
have to have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
    printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But 
I do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with 
GCC presumably with the make file.

2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change 
some file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I 
would like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to 
be correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not 
possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on 
it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that because this is a 
simple bit banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first 
started doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)




--

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Robert]

the -lbcm2835 is a flag to include a library (-l) bcm2835 which gcc will 
look for in the libraries directories that are defaulted by gcc   more 
comments in your example...


On 2/9/18 9:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

gcc -o output hello.c

Will compile hello.c to an executable called output

You may need to add switches for libraries to include.

I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough 
accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.


I'd suggest a digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You 
should be able to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)


On Feb 9, 2018 8:44 AM, > wrote:

OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
And it needs stuff inside it.
This is one example I found:

all: output_file_name

all means that everything is dependent on changes newer than this file
and if I type "make all" check that

output_file_name: main.o

redo the "output_file_name" if main.o is newer and
what to do if I type "make output_file_name:

gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name

how do do the redo

main.o: main.c

main.o has to be newer than main.c
and what to do if I type "make main.o"

gcc -c main.c

or gcc main.c

clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name

what to do if I type "make clean"


I presume this is like a batch file.

it's a set of dependancies...

I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.
I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or
some such thing.
Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably
related to an object file.
I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just
getting over this initial hump.
Like, where do you put the key in this car.
(there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the
accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would
not engage unless it was fully depressed.  )
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the
dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then
compile it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot
more complicated if there are libraries and such. However, in the
simple case of your hello.c, I would put everything in the same
directory. As the project grows, you would move your source (*.c)
files into a "source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin
directory. Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the
dates of those file. So linking is dependent on the binaries, and
the binaries are dependent on the sources.
Make should be installed already.
bp 
On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit
the make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you
have to have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
project files be in?
Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
     printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But
I do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with
GCC presumably with the make file.
2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change
some file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I
would like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file
to be correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is
not possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put
windows on it and use visual C++. I don’t want to do that because
this is a simple bit banging project.
I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first
started doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Jay Weekley]

Well, that's than snot on a doorknob.

Steve Jones wrote:

anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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[AFMUG] cable guard for installs

[Steve Jones]

anybody using this?
http://www.telecrafterproducts.com/#/devicesCableGuard/languageId

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

gcc -o output hello.c

Will compile hello.c to an executable called output

You may need to add switches for libraries to include.

I'm skeptical that you'll be able to generate a bitstream with enough
accuracy under Linux, without extreme programming measures.

I'd suggest a digilent chipkit wifire and the arduino ide for this.  You
should be able to bitbang at least a T1 with this processor (500mhz)

On Feb 9, 2018 8:44 AM,  wrote:

> OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
> And it needs stuff inside it.
>
> This is one example I found:
>
> all: output_file_name
> output_file_name: main.o
> gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name
> main.o: main.c
> gcc -c main.c
> clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name
>
>
> I presume this is like a batch file.
> I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.
>
> I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some
> such thing.
> Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably related
> to an object file.
>
> I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just getting
> over this initial hump.
>
> Like, where do you put the key in this car.
>
> (there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the
> accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would not
> engage unless it was fully depressed.  )
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
>
>
> A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the
> dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then compile
> it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more complicated
> if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple case of your
> hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As the project
> grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a "source" directory,
> and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. Then linking all the
> binaries would be dependent on the dates of those file. So linking is
> dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are dependent on the sources.
>
> Make should be installed already.
>
>
> bp 
> On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
>
> Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like
> it.
> Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit the
> make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to
> have a gcc make somewhere.
>
> So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
> project files be in?
> Should the make file be there with it?
> Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
>
> 1.  hello.c source
>
> void main {
> printf(“hello world”);
> }
> (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do
> need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC
> presumably with the make file.
>
> 2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
>
> Did I say I hate make files?
>
> I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some
> file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like
> to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I
> change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my
> sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++.  I
> don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit banging project.
>
> I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
> If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
>
> My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started
> doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
>
> (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Bill Prince]

This might be better for a simple overview. A 7-page explanation of make 
and makefiles.


http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/make3/book/ch01.pdf

bp


On 2/9/2018 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
And it needs stuff inside it.
This is one example I found:

all: output_file_name
output_file_name: main.o
gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name
main.o: main.c
gcc -c main.c
clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name

I presume this is like a batch file.
I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.
I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some 
such thing.
Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably 
related to an object file.
I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just 
getting over this initial hump.

Like, where do you put the key in this car.
(there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the 
accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would 
not engage unless it was fully depressed.  )

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the 
dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then 
compile it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more 
complicated if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple 
case of your hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As 
the project grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a 
"source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. 
Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of those 
file. So linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are 
dependent on the sources.

Make should be installed already.
bp 
On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really 
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit 
the make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you 
have to have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
    printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I 
do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC 
presumably with the make file.

2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change 
some file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I 
would like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to 
be correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not 
possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on 
it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that because this is a 
simple bit banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started 
doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Considering the ones I saw this way were for the back of a computer back in
the serial days, you could usually guess that it was likely to come from
the cable side

On Feb 9, 2018 8:45 AM,  wrote:

> Nice if you knew the direction of the surge source...
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:40 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> I know some surge protector manufacturers used circuits which needed to be
> oriented in a certain direction in relation to the surge source.  But those
> typically were labeled with labels like "protected equipment" and "surge
> source".   These circuits often included an element which isolated the data
> line during a surge event.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 8:32 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the
>> data is flowing on the ethernet cable
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> .a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when
>> they label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.
>>
>> Found this on Google image search:
>> http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/
>> 10/transtector-APLU1.jpg
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out
>> of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
>> I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is
>> also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>> Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be
>> better.
>>
>> Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
>> Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1
>> hole conduit strap.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] new product question
>>
>>
>> I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
>> This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors
>> only.
>>
>> Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
>> Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie
>> can be passed down behind the board and back up.
>>
>> Any better ways?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Adam Moffett]

I believe SM, but not AP

-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?


Is that out yet?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Bill Prince]

You need a file called "Makefile" in order to run make. Try this out:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21548464/how-to-write-a-makefile-to-compile-a-simple-c-program

bp


On 2/9/2018 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
And it needs stuff inside it.
This is one example I found:

all: output_file_name
output_file_name: main.o
gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name
main.o: main.c
gcc -c main.c
clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name

I presume this is like a batch file.
I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.
I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some 
such thing.
Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably 
related to an object file.
I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just 
getting over this initial hump.

Like, where do you put the key in this car.
(there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the 
accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would 
not engage unless it was fully depressed.  )

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the 
dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then 
compile it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more 
complicated if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple 
case of your hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As 
the project grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a 
"source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. 
Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of those 
file. So linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are 
dependent on the sources.

Make should be installed already.
bp 
On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really 
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit 
the make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you 
have to have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
    printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I 
do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC 
presumably with the make file.

2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change 
some file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I 
would like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to 
be correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not 
possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on 
it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that because this is a 
simple bit banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started 
doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

[AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jon Langeler]

Is that out yet?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

Nice if you knew the direction of the surge source...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:40 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

I know some surge protector manufacturers used circuits which needed to be 
oriented in a certain direction in relation to the surge source.  But those 
typically were labeled with labels like "protected equipment" and "surge 
source".   These circuits often included an element which isolated the data 
line during a surge event.

On Feb 9, 2018 8:32 AM,  wrote:

  I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the data is 
flowing on the ethernet cable

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  .a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when they 
label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.

Found this on Google image search:

http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out 
of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
  I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is 
also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be 
better.

Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 
1 hole conduit strap.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

  I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
  This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.

  Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
  Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip 
tie can be passed down behind the board and back up.  

  Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[chuck]

OK, but I need a file called “make”, right?
And it needs stuff inside it.

This is one example I found:
  all: output_file_name 
  output_file_name: main.o 
  gcc main.o -lbcm2835 -o output_file_name 
  main.o: main.c 
  gcc -c main.c 
  clean: rm -rf *o output_file_name

I presume this is like a batch file.  
I am guessing it is a text file with the name make.

I guess the output_file_name would be replaced with my “hello” or some such 
thing.
Perhaps the “-lbcm2835” is the source code file?  -o is probably related to an 
object file.  

I know this is very elementary.  I can write C with ease.  Just getting over 
this initial hump.  

Like, where do you put the key in this car.  

(there used to be a car that you turned the key on, then floored the 
accelerator.  The starter button was part of the gas pedal and would not engage 
unless it was fully depressed.  )


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World


A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the dependency is 
met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then compile it". It can be as 
simple as that, but can get a whole lot more complicated if there are libraries 
and such. However, in the simple case of your hello.c, I would put everything 
in the same directory. As the project grows, you would move your source (*.c) 
files into a "source" directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. 
Then linking all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of those file. So 
linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are dependent on the 
sources.

Make should be installed already.


bp   
On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.  

Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit the make 
button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to have a gcc 
make somewhere.

So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other project 
files be in?
Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:

1.  hello.c source 

void main {
printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do need 
to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC presumably with 
the make file.

2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.  

Did I say I hate make files?  

I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some file 
names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like to make my 
Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I change the name 
of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my sons is trying to 
encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that 
because this is a simple bit banging project.  

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.  

My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started doing a 
bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I know some surge protector manufacturers used circuits which needed to be
oriented in a certain direction in relation to the surge source.  But those
typically were labeled with labels like "protected equipment" and "surge
source".   These circuits often included an element which isolated the data
line during a surge event.

On Feb 9, 2018 8:32 AM,  wrote:

> I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the data
> is flowing on the ethernet cable
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> .a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when
> they label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.
>
> Found this on Google image search:
> http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/
> 2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out
> of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
> I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is also
> better.  Depends on who the buyer is.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
>
> Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be
> better.
>
> Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
> Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1
> hole conduit strap.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] new product question
>
>
> I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
> This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.
>
> Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
> Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can
> be passed down behind the board and back up.
>
> Any better ways?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Bill Prince]

A make file is just a list of dependencies, and what to do if the 
dependency is met. Sort of:  "If hello.c is newer than hello, then 
compile it". It can be as simple as that, but can get a whole lot more 
complicated if there are libraries and such. However, in the simple case 
of your hello.c, I would put everything in the same directory. As the 
project grows, you would move your source (*.c) files into a "source" 
directory, and the binaries (*.bin) into a bin directory. Then linking 
all the binaries would be dependent on the dates of those file. So 
linking is dependent on the binaries, and the binaries are dependent on 
the sources.


Make should be installed already.

bp


On 2/9/2018 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really 
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit 
the make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you 
have to have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
    printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I 
do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC 
presumably with the make file.

2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change 
some file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I 
would like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to 
be correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not 
possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on 
it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that because this is a 
simple bit banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started 
doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

I get asked that all the time.  I always ask them which direction the data is 
flowing on the ethernet cable

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

.a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when they 
label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.

  Found this on Google image search:
  
http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out 
of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is also 
better.  Depends on who the buyer is.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be 
better.

  Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
  Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1 
hole conduit strap.




  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie 
can be passed down behind the board and back up.  

Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Lewis Bergman]

Yes it is. And if you are doing that, C might be the only thing fast enough
to generate the test patterns.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM  wrote:

> I built the device with an arduino first but it is not fast enough.  I am
> creating T1 timing and test patterns and running flat out that Arduino
> barely makes it but with too much jitter.  Pi is not that much more money
> and way faster.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World
> I don't know what you are trying to do with the Raspberry Pi but maybe it
> isn't the right tool. I love it, it just isn't for everything. The Arduino
> or ESP32 is better for analog anything and usually sensors. I would also
> tell you that you may want to look at using Python with the Pi. Tons of
> libraries and example code to source from. Lots of good IDE for Python. I
> like Atom but there are lots.
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:13 AM Robert  wrote:
>
>> I am guessing here, but it sounds like you need the make program and
>> gcc?  i.e. "sudo apt-get make" and "sudo apt-get gcc" ???
>>
>>
>> Make files can just be in the same directory as the source file, pretty
>> much everything you work on can be in the same directory.
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/18 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
>> > Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really
>> > like it.
>> > Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit the
>> > make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to
>> > have a gcc make somewhere.
>> > So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
>> > project files be in?
>> > Should the make file be there with it?
>> > Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
>> > 1.  hello.c source
>> > void main {
>> >  printf(“hello world”);
>> > }
>> > (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I
>> > do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC
>> > presumably with the make file.
>> > 2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
>> > Did I say I hate make files?
>> > I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some
>> > file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would
>> > like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be
>> > correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not
>> > possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it
>> > and use visual C++. I don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit
>> > banging project.
>> > I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
>> > If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
>> > My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started
>> > doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
>> > (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Adam Moffett]

.a digression, but that picture reminded me that I really hate when 
they label ethernet ports "in" and "out".  It makes no sense at all.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 11:07:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.

Found this on Google image search:
http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable 
out of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is 
also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might 
be better.


Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike 
a 1 hole conduit strap.





-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question


I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ 
conductors only.


Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip 
tie can be passed down behind the board and back up.


Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Adam Moffett]

Any of the single port transtector surge protectors.

Found this on Google image search:
http://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/transtector-APLU1.jpg


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 11:01:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable 
out of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is 
also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be 
better.


Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 
1 hole conduit strap.





-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question


I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.


Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip 
tie can be passed down behind the board and back up.


Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

If you have 8 wires, perhaps different gauges and insulation thicknesses, a 
single bar holding them all is going to have a problem exerting equal pressure. 
 I could put a strip of rubber on it I guess.  Or multiple bars.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out of a 
transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is also 
better.  Depends on who the buyer is.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be better.

  Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
  Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1 hole 
conduit strap.




  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can 
be passed down behind the board and back up.  

Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes.  They sell those at Lowe's and home
Depot

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 9, 2018 8:14 AM, "Robert"  wrote:

> Rather than the open conductor terminal blocks,
> use these..  much less chance of shorts...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Style-Screw-Terminal-Strip/
> dp/B019BI2F3G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1518189111=8-1&
> keywords=euro+connector+block
>
>
> On 2/9/18 6:57 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> You can get some terminal blocks at home Depot in a pinch...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018 7:36 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Generically, it is called a screw type pluggable if I remember
>> right. Most of the time I see them with one side soldered to a PCB
>> so I don't know how easy they are going to be to find in another
>> format. Phoenix contact is the one that seems to make more of them
>> than anyone. You could go to Digikey or Mouser and find them.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:05 AM Nate Burke > > wrote:
>>
>> A mouse has had some fun with this connector, and the wires
>> connected to it. I don't know what type of connector this is
>> called to replace it. Any ideas?
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

Could you give me a link to the product that has this feature?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable out of a 
transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is also 
better.  Depends on who the buyer is.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

  Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be better.

  Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
  Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1 hole 
conduit strap.




  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can 
be passed down behind the board and back up.  

Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Dave]

True and that does hold better than Zip any day and I would buy.


On 02/09/2018 09:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable 
out of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is 
also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new product question
Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might 
be better.

Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike 
a 1 hole conduit strap.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ 
conductors only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip 
tie can be passed down behind the board and back up.

Any better ways?


--

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Adam Moffett]

It holds tighter than a zip tie.  You definitely can't pull the cable 
out of a transtector without shredding the jacket.
I'm not going to try and tell you it's better.  A simple/cheap way is 
also better.  Depends on who the buyer is.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:48:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question


I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be 
better.


Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 
1 hole conduit strap.





-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question


I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.


Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie 
can be passed down behind the board and back up.


Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

I can do the piece of metal too.  But is it that much better?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be better.

Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1 hole 
conduit strap.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question

  I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
  This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.

  Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
  Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can be 
passed down behind the board and back up.  

  Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

I can, just trying to keep cost down.  I am using my regular tower surge 
protector enclosure.  
Will have 4 circuits in and 4 circuits out.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new product question

What about a single loop on the actual enclosure either at the convergence of 
cables entry or at each connector?
something like a raised loop large enough to pass 1/4" zip tie and small enough 
at each connector to pass a 1/8" zip

Dave
�


On 02/09/2018 09:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
  This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.
  �
  Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
  Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can be 
passed down behind the board and back up.� 
  �
  Any better ways?


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Dave]

What about a single loop on the actual enclosure either at the 
convergence of cables entry or at each connector?
something like a raised loop large enough to pass 1/4" zip tie and small 
enough at each connector to pass a 1/8" zip


Dave


On 02/09/2018 09:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie 
can be passed down behind the board and back up.

Any better ways?


--

Re: [AFMUG] new product question

[Adam Moffett]

Better is subjective.  Your way is simple and cheap, and that might be 
better.


Some rely on a properly tightened cable gland.
Transtector has a a half-u piece of metal secured by a screwlike a 1 
hole conduit strap.





-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2018 10:30:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] new product question


I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors 
only.


Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie 
can be passed down behind the board and back up.


Any better ways?

[AFMUG] new product question

[chuck]

I am making a new tower mount multiple circuit surge protector.
This one is for multiple higher current DC power circuits/ conductors only.

Trying to come up with a good way to allow the wires to be secured.
Right now I have a series of rectangular slots in the PCB so a zip tie can be 
passed down behind the board and back up.  

Any better ways?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[chuck]

I built the device with an arduino first but it is not fast enough.  I am 
creating T1 timing and test patterns and running flat out that Arduino barely 
makes it but with too much jitter.  Pi is not that much more money and way 
faster.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

I don't know what you are trying to do with the Raspberry Pi but maybe it isn't 
the right tool. I love it, it just isn't for everything. The Arduino or ESP32 
is better for analog anything and usually sensors. I would also tell you that 
you may want to look at using Python with the Pi. Tons of libraries and example 
code to source from. Lots of good IDE for Python. I like Atom but there are 
lots.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:13 AM Robert  wrote:

  I am guessing here, but it sounds like you need the make program and
  gcc?  i.e. "sudo apt-get make" and "sudo apt-get gcc" ???


  Make files can just be in the same directory as the source file, pretty
  much everything you work on can be in the same directory.


  On 2/9/18 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
  > Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really
  > like it.
  > Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit the
  > make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to
  > have a gcc make somewhere.
  > So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
  > project files be in?
  > Should the make file be there with it?
  > Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
  > 1.  hello.c source
  > void main {
  >  printf(“hello world”);
  > }
  > (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I
  > do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC
  > presumably with the make file.
  > 2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
  > Did I say I hate make files?
  > I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some
  > file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would
  > like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be
  > correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not
  > possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it
  > and use visual C++. I don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit
  > banging project.
  > I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
  > If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
  > My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started
  > doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
  > (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[chuck]

It appears gcc got loaded as part of the NOOBs package I put on the machine.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

I am guessing here, but it sounds like you need the make program and
gcc?  i.e. "sudo apt-get make" and "sudo apt-get gcc" ???


Make files can just be in the same directory as the source file, pretty
much everything you work on can be in the same directory.


On 2/9/18 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like 
it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit the 
make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to 
have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
 printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do 
need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC 
presumably with the make file.

2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some 
file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like 
to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I 
change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my 
sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++. I 
don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started 
doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic) 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't know what you are trying to do with the Raspberry Pi but maybe it
isn't the right tool. I love it, it just isn't for everything. The Arduino
or ESP32 is better for analog anything and usually sensors. I would also
tell you that you may want to look at using Python with the Pi. Tons of
libraries and example code to source from. Lots of good IDE for Python. I
like Atom but there are lots.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:13 AM Robert  wrote:

> I am guessing here, but it sounds like you need the make program and
> gcc?  i.e. "sudo apt-get make" and "sudo apt-get gcc" ???
>
>
> Make files can just be in the same directory as the source file, pretty
> much everything you work on can be in the same directory.
>
>
> On 2/9/18 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
> > Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really
> > like it.
> > Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit the
> > make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to
> > have a gcc make somewhere.
> > So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other
> > project files be in?
> > Should the make file be there with it?
> > Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
> > 1.  hello.c source
> > void main {
> >  printf(“hello world”);
> > }
> > (I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I
> > do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC
> > presumably with the make file.
> > 2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.
> > Did I say I hate make files?
> > I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some
> > file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would
> > like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be
> > correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not
> > possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it
> > and use visual C++. I don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit
> > banging project.
> > I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
> > If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
> > My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started
> > doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm
> > (before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

[Robert]

Rather than the open conductor terminal blocks,
use these..  much less chance of shorts...

https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Style-Screw-Terminal-Strip/dp/B019BI2F3G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1518189111=8-1=euro+connector+block


On 2/9/18 6:57 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

You can get some terminal blocks at home Depot in a pinch...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 9, 2018 7:36 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:


Generically, it is called a screw type pluggable if I remember
right. Most of the time I see them with one side soldered to a PCB
so I don't know how easy they are going to be to find in another
format. Phoenix contact is the one that seems to make more of them
than anyone. You could go to Digikey or Mouser and find them.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:05 AM Nate Burke > wrote:

A mouse has had some fun with this connector, and the wires
connected to it. I don't know what type of connector this is
called to replace it. Any ideas?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello World

[Robert]

I am guessing here, but it sounds like you need the make program and 
gcc?  i.e. "sudo apt-get make" and "sudo apt-get gcc" ???



Make files can just be in the same directory as the source file, pretty 
much everything you work on can be in the same directory.



On 2/9/18 6:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.
Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really 
like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor. Hit the 
make button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to 
have a gcc make somewhere.
So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other 
project files be in?

Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:
1.  hello.c source
void main {
     printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I 
do need to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC 
presumably with the make file.

2)    A make file that will allow that program to compile.
Did I say I hate make files?
I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some 
file names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would 
like to make my Geany program be able to cause the make file to be 
correct if I change the name of the project.  Perhaps that is not 
possible.  One of my sons is trying to encourage me to put windows on it 
and use visual C++. I don’t want to do that because this is a simple bit 
banging project.

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.
My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started 
doing a bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

[Adam Moffett]

Ok thanks.  That makes more sense.

-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/8/2018 11:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

It doesn’t get local channels.  We have tested a couple of Android 
devices and will probably include an outdoor antenna with customers 
that get Viva in a package deal.




We have a website set up for signing up and tracking all your customers 
that connect.  I’ll have that information out by the middle of next 
week.




Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment



Hey Rory Conway:



I talked to Viva Entertainment today.  There's basically no barrier to 
entry and that's good.




The guy told me that network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX) would be from New 
York City.  That wouldn't normally be allowed in the content licensing, 
so I'm wondering if he was mistaken.  Do you get your local network 
channels on Viva?  Are they are your actual locals, or are they from 
another market?




Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

[Jaime Solorza]

You can get some terminal blocks at home Depot in a pinch...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 9, 2018 7:36 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Generically, it is called a screw type pluggable if I remember right. Most
> of the time I see them with one side soldered to a PCB so I don't know how
> easy they are going to be to find in another format. Phoenix contact is the
> one that seems to make more of them than anyone. You could go to Digikey or
> Mouser and find them.
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:05 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> A mouse has had some fun with this connector, and the wires connected to
>> it. I don't know what type of connector this is called to replace it. Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> Nate
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Hello World

[chuck]

I hate make files.  I love IDEs.  

Bought a raspberry PI and am playing with it a bit.  So far I really like it.
Started to write a program using a Geaney editor.  Nice editor.  Hit the make 
button and I discovered it is really just a shell, that you have to have a gcc 
make somewhere.

So, not being a linux hack, what folder should may source and other project 
files be in?
Should the make file be there with it?
Can someone please be kind enough to send me two things:

1.  hello.c source 

void main {
printf(“hello world”);
}
(I probably don’t need that as It is right there in this email.  But I do need 
to put it in the proper folder name and associate it with GCC presumably with 
the make file.

2)A make file that will allow that program to compile.  

Did I say I hate make files?  

I have downloaded example make files.  It appears I need to change some file 
names in them to match the file name of my source.  But I would like to make my 
Geany program be able to cause the make file to be correct if I change the name 
of the project.  Perhaps that is not possible.  One of my sons is trying to 
encourage me to put windows on it and use visual C++.  I don’t want to do that 
because this is a simple bit banging project.  

I don’t care where the object files go or what they are named.
If I want to include a .h file it will be in my source.  

My handicap comes from TurboC coming on the scene when I first started doing a 
bunch of c code writing.  Before that it was asm

(before that it was fortran, pascal, basic)

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Name that connector

[Lewis Bergman]

Generically, it is called a screw type pluggable if I remember right. Most
of the time I see them with one side soldered to a PCB so I don't know how
easy they are going to be to find in another format. Phoenix contact is the
one that seems to make more of them than anyone. You could go to Digikey or
Mouser and find them.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:05 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> A mouse has had some fun with this connector, and the wires connected to
> it. I don't know what type of connector this is called to replace it. Any
> ideas?
>
> Nate