Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Steve Jones]

Out of curiousity, why hasnt a standard mount bewn established. Does the
secondary adapter market have some kneebreakers on payroll?

On Feb 14, 2018 4:38 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> Remec rectangular.  I believe Trango is round remec.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> PTP800 is remec
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
> Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz
> ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to
> move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?
>
> On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a
> connectorized radio.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
> Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me
> some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go
> with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their
> products.  I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity
> product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you
> know, thanks!
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually
>> exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have
>> some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
>>
>> But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me
>> know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish
>> install.
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
>> on theTrango List
>>
>> I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other
>> platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for
>> dishes too.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec
>> heads, even at MSRP.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an
>>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't
>>> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But
>>> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially
>>> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent
>>> the radio in.
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>
>>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out
>>> of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited
>>> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Nah.  Just funnin ya

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

> No way
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should
> be on the Trango List
>
> ...someone say Lents ending?
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm
>> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG 
>> was
>> born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my
>> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for 
>> Lent
>> tomorrow...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jon Langeler]

Nice planning. How are you calculating your ratios and such? FS supplying the 
splitter?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> 
> Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have long 
> linear roads. We do have some areas with 5 or less houses per mile too. 
> 
> The first splitter is a 1x2 FBT (fused biconal taper) those can be made in 
> any split ratio I think they vary the angle that the fibers meet. They are 
> common offered in "windowed" version that only pass typical GPON wavelengths, 
> but we custom ordered full bandwidth ones for future 10G PON techs.
> 
> Then the output of that FBT can go right to a drop or to a second "normal" 
> PLC splitter to serve multiple drops. 
> 
> We did about 12 miles with this method this year, maybe 80 or so handhole 
> with this splitter method, end of the run is about 10 miles from the cabinet. 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>> Yup that's a thing.  That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got 
>> 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10.  
>> 
>> I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't 
>> remember the name of can be uneven.  
>> In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", and 
>> the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve".
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>> 
>>> Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I 
>>> misunderstanding you? 
>>> 
>>> On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with 
>>> Ubiquiti's offering...
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:
 We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that 
 splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and 
 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be 
 tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I 
 can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline 
 and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
 
 On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
  wrote:
 Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been 
 considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise, 
 seems like a nightmare.
 
 
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan 
> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate. 
> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went 
> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different 
> router that solves the problem.
> 
> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway 
> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC 
> wifi and voip.
> 
> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot 
> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont"  wrote:
> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of several 
>> other operators using the same setup now too. 
>> 
>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality 
>> made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. 
>> 
>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 
>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to 
>> this Huawei version. 
>> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_60442562681.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx
>> 
>> Gerard
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing. 
>>>  
>>> You are using this now?
>>>  
>>> From: Gerard Dupont
>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>  
>>> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>>>  
>>> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 
>>> http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
>>> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Mathew Howard]

That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get
from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>
> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process >
>> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think
>> that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>> 
>> >
>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
>>  Option 2 or
>>  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>  > ---
>> -
>> >
>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> >
>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement
>> effect...
>>  > *From:* Adam Moffett
>>  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>>  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>   

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT


Chris,

I think the 60km max reach and 20km ONU restriction is part of the GPON standard and all manufacturers should have it.

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 11:01:24 PM, you wrote:






Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter that needs to be set. 

We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx sens. 

I've been very impressed with the optical performance.

We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE

On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:




That's also a compelling point.

It's not a simple question for sure.  

The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what THEY will prefer.  They'll probably prefer PON. 

Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that in mind too.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT





When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor cabinets.  
 
When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer.  
For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to do PON.  
 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
 
Chuck,

PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.

-- 
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:





Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Adam Moffett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Adam,

There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
exceed 20Km."

The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long stretches of roads between neighborhoods.

We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using a 144 count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons 10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.  

We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.





-- 
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:





Maybe I need to review the math.

I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
To: "Adam Moffett" 
Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT





Adam,

How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?

-- 
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:





I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.

Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.

I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to PON some day if I want to.

We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Jaime Solorza]

I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out  Franklin lightning
protection method has worked very well for us.   I shared posts several
years ago of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an
air terminal 10 ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to
grounding rods...that's step one.. grounding and in line protection on all
copper lines using best method and products like Chuck's.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> So while we are playing what if's
>
> let's face reality...
> If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit.
> Chances of one or two only is small
>
> Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the
> benefit of having a POE switch.
>
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Robert Andrews" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>
> > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
> > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
> > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> Thanks for the reply...
> >>
> >> I was looking at things more simply...
> >>   To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
> >>   Switch value may be in similar ball park
> >>
> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..
> >>
> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.
> >>
> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase
> qty, if
> >> that will help in bring the cost down.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >>
> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>
> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >>> To: "Animal Farm" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> >>
> >>> We have been shipping for months.
> >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
> >>> fuse.
> >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
> >>> involved in blowing a port.
> >>>
> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
> >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list
> price.  That
> >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
> >>>
> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
> >>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't
> get
> >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust
> the
> >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I
> am
> >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if
> I am
> >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
> >>>
> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge
> protector for
> >>> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and
> buying and
> >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
> margins.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
> >>> To: Animal Farm
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> >>>
> >>> Hi Chuck,
> >>>
> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
> >>>
> >>> Question & critique.
> >>>When are these going to be available ?
> >>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
> >>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears
> to be
> >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Chris Fabien]

Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max
difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter
that needs to be set.

We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is
about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx
sens.

I've been very impressed with the optical performance.

We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE

On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> That's also a compelling point.
>
> It's not a simple question for sure.
>
> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company
> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what
> THEY will prefer.  They'll probably prefer PON.
>
> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a
> bias towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that in mind
> too.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe
> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor
> cabinets.
>
> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer.
> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to
> do PON.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Chuck,
>
> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:*
>
> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
> *To:* Adam Moffett
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Adam,
>
> There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
> exceed 20Km."
>
> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long
> stretches of roads between neighborhoods.
>
> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the
> last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using a 144 count
> cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles depending on
> density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons
> 10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.
>
> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage
> per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:*
>
> Maybe I need to review the math.
>
> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I didn't
> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber
> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
> To: "Adam Moffett" 
> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
>
> Adam,
>
> How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split.
> Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:*
>
> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm looking
> at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line
> down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then
> I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so houses
> per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>
> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't
> seeming to work out for me.
>
> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to PON
> some day if I want to.
>
> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 years
> of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE I can
> put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that as
> far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
>
> A few reasons...
>
> Port cost is still fairly high.
>
> More splicing.
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Chris Fabien]

Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have
long linear roads. We do have some areas with 5 or less houses per mile
too.

The first splitter is a 1x2 FBT (fused biconal taper) those can be made in
any split ratio I think they vary the angle that the fibers meet. They are
common offered in "windowed" version that only pass typical GPON
wavelengths, but we custom ordered full bandwidth ones for future 10G PON
techs.

Then the output of that FBT can go right to a drop or to a second "normal"
PLC splitter to serve multiple drops.

We did about 12 miles with this method this year, maybe 80 or so handhole
with this splitter method, end of the run is about 10 miles from the
cabinet.

On Feb 14, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Yup that's a thing.  That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got
> 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10.
>
> I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't
> remember the name of can be uneven.
> In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", and
> the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve".
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I
> misunderstanding you?
>
> On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with
> Ubiquiti's offering...
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that
>> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and
>> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be
>> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I
>> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline
>> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
>> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
>> seems like a nightmare.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>>
>>> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
>>> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
>>> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
>>> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
>>> that solves the problem.
>>>
>>> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
>>> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
>>> wifi and voip.
>>>
>>> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a
>>> lot of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont"  wrote:
>>>
 Chuck,

 Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of
 several other operators using the same setup now too.

 It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality
 made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.

 You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500
 shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to
 this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc
 t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626
 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx

 Gerard

 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>
> You are using this now?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>
> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon
> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-
> with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o
> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port
> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connec
> tor_0391
> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS
> https://www.fs.com/products/20745.html
> 20M $7.66
> 10M $5.66
> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>
> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jeremy]

AF in SLC!  So much yes...

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> It could just be an AF reunion.  Doesn't need to be a full on show.  I
> liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events.  Felt more authentic.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> The AF fiber edition was great.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa
>>> event in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>>
>>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
 I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
 powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.


 On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

 and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 

 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 

 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 
 
 *From: *"Jay Weekley" >
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two
 WISPA
 shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

 Chuck McCown wrote:
 > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
 > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
 think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
 > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
 > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
 before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
 I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
 > *From:* TJ Trout
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
 > Chuck,
 > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
 the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
 > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
 into > wispa I haven't attended since...
 > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
 wispamerica in 20 days?
 > TJ
 > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
 fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
 >
 > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement
 effect...
 > Thus the need for a fuse !
 > :)
 > Faisal Imtiaz
 > Snappy Internet & Telecom
 > http://www.snappytelecom.net
 >
 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
  
 >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
 
  Option 2 or
  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  > ---
 -
 >
 > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

So while we are playing what if's

let's face reality... 
If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit.
Chances of one or two only is small

Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the benefit 
of having a POE switch.


:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Robert Andrews" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

> I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
> card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
> initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply...
>> 
>> I was looking at things more simply...
>>   To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
>>   Switch value may be in similar ball park
>> 
>> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..
>> 
>> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.
>> 
>> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, 
>> if
>> that will help in bring the cost down.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> 
>>> We have been shipping for months.
>>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>>> fuse.
>>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>>> involved in blowing a port.
>>>
>>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
>>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>>
>>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>>
>>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
>>> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
>>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>>
>>> Question & critique.
>>>When are these going to be available ?
>>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Carl Peterson]

It could just be an AF reunion.  Doesn't need to be a full on show.  I
liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events.  Felt more authentic.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The AF fiber edition was great.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
>> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>
>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett > af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>
>>> >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
>>> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement
>>> effect...
>>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>>> > :)
>>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>> >
>>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>  
>>> >
>>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>> 
>>>  Option 2 or
>>>  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>  > ---
>>> -
>>> >
>>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>>>  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> >
>>> > My surge 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Adam Moffett]

Yup that's a thing.  That was actually my plan "A", except where he's 
got 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10.


I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't 
remember the name of can be uneven.
In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", 
and the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve".



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I 
misunderstanding you?


On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff 
with Ubiquiti's offering...


On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  
wrote:
We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at 
that splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 
1x4 and 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. 
Troubleshooting can be tricky, we test light as we splice to verify 
everything.  The benefit is I can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses 
using one strand on a 12ct mainline and still have 11 unused strands 
at the end to keep going.


On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been 
considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) 
arise, seems like a nightmare.



On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  
wrote:
With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another 
Michigan ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards 
description is accurate. The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi 
bugs in the F660 ONU we went with, if you require a customer owned 
router or provide a different router that solves the problem.


Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res 
gateway when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit 
with 4x4 AC wifi and voip.


We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us 
a lot of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.




On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont"  
wrote:

Chuck,

Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of 
several other operators using the same setup now too.


It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and 
quality made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.


You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 
shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very 
similar to this Huawei version. 
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_60442562681.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx 



Gerard

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.

You are using this now?

From:Gerard Dupont
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.

ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 
http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html 

ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 
http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-original-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port-wifienglish-interface_p1206.html 

Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 
http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391 

30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS 
https://www.fs.com/products/20745.html 


20M $7.66
10M $5.66
Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)

ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200 
$2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024 
customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.


32 port rackmount splitter. $84 
https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html 

32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 
https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html 


8 port bare splitter for splice case $5

None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in 
a few hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.


Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 
per customer. 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah!

Chuck McCown wrote:
Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa 
event in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.


Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional 
drilling machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..

Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

 


Midwest Internet Exchange 

 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two 
WISPA

shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the 
process > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I 
think they > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to 
WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as 
before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical 
stuff. And I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource 
the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it 
off into > wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > 
> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  


>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
 Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 > 


>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about 
surge

 > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
 > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Mathew Howard" >
 > To: "af" 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jason McKemie]

The AF fiber edition was great.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>
> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process >
>> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think
>> that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>> 
>> >
>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
>>  Option 2 or
>>  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>  > ---
>> -
>> >
>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> >
>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement
>> effect...
>>  > *From:* Adam Moffett
>>  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>>  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>  > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>>  > enlargement spam, but I 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event in 
timing either.  They are pretty good to me.


Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling 
machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..

Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process > 
down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think 
that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as 
before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. 
And I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
 > unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off 
into > wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ > 
wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > 
> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  


>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
 Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 > 
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
 > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
 > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Mathew Howard" >
 > To: "af" >
 > 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I
misunderstanding you?

On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with
Ubiquiti's offering...

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that
> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and
> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be
> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I
> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline
> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
> seems like a nightmare.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
>> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
>> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
>> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
>> that solves the problem.
>>
>> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
>> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
>> wifi and voip.
>>
>> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot
>> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont"  wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of
>>> several other operators using the same setup now too.
>>>
>>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality
>>> made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.
>>>
>>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500
>>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to
>>> this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc
>>> t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626
>>> 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.

 You are using this now?

 *From:* Gerard Dupont
 *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

 Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.

 ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon
 -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-
 with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
 ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o
 riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port
 -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
 Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connec
 tor_0391
 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS
 https://www.fs.com/products/20745.html
 20M $7.66
 10M $5.66
 Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)

 ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
 $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
 Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024
 customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.

 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14
 https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html
 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5

 None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a
 few hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.

 Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
 customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS
 + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per
 port.

 You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU
 management/monitoring (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount)

 I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always
 overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to
 upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to
 combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different
 wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's.

 Gerard


 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> ONT Housing (Clam Shell)  $   29.00
> ONT  $ 215.00
> Unicam  

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Robert Andrews]

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF 
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some 
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so 
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen 
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall 
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there 
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..


Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> > wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
 Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 

>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
 > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
 > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Mathew Howard" >
 > To: "af" >
 > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
 >
 > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
 > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
 > afmug folder.
 >
 > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get
  

Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

Giga/ApexPlus and Giga/ApexLynx are all Remec circular/round, except 6GHz which 
I believe is rectangular. Giga = split, Apex = full outdoor. Both use the same 
ODUs, Remec or WaveLab OEM. Trango pretty much just made the IDUs and OMUs and 
their software.

I know this for a fact because I had to make absolutely sure we ordered 
RadioWaves HPx-11R and not 11RR for some ApexPlus we did a few years ago. R = 
Remec circular, RR = Remec rectangular, not round!


On 2/14/2018 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Anyone know for sure if Trango ApexPlus 11GHz is a Remec mount?

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  >  wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
  >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
  > 
  >
  > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > *From:* Adam Moffett
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

  > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
  > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
  > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
  > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Mathew Howard" 
  > To: "af" 
  > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
  > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
  > afmug folder.
  >
  > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
  > more than once because my other email address is on
  > Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
  > unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
  > that I'm interested in.
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
  >  wrote:
  >
  > Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
  > the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
  > ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
  > for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
  > for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
  > pretty good rating with them.
  >
  > The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
  > swap fest.
  >
  > BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
  > on Friday morning.
  >
  > I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
  > compared to before.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

[George Skorup]

Giga/ApexPlus and Giga/ApexLynx are all Remec circular/round, except 
6GHz which I believe is rectangular. Giga = split, Apex = full outdoor. 
Both use the same ODUs, Remec or WaveLab OEM. Trango pretty much just 
made the IDUs and OMUs and their software.


I know this for a fact because I had to make absolutely sure we ordered 
RadioWaves HPx-11R and not 11RR for some ApexPlus we did a few years 
ago. R = Remec circular, RR = Remec rectangular, not round!


On 2/14/2018 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Anyone know for sure if Trango ApexPlus 11GHz is a Remec mount?

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Cameron Crum]

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> > *From:* TJ Trout
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> > Chuck,
> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
> > unpalatable parts of planning?
> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
> > wispa I haven't attended since...
> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
> > wispamerica in 20 days?
> > TJ
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > Thus the need for a fuse !
> > :)
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
> 
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>  Option 2 or
> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> 
> >
> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > *From:* Adam Moffett
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
> > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
> > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
> > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
> > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
> > afmug folder.
> >
> > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
> > more than once because my other email address is on
> > Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
> > unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
> > that I'm interested in.
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
> > the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
> > ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
> > for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
> > for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
> > pretty good rating with them.
> >
> > The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
> > swap fest.
> >
> > BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
> > on Friday morning.
> >
> > I prefer the 

[AFMUG] Trango ApexPlus 11GHz

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone know for sure if Trango ApexPlus 11GHz is a Remec mount?

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Remec rectangular.  I believe Trango is round remec.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> PTP800 is remec 
> 
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> theTrango List
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
>  
> From: George Skorup
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> theTrango List
>  
> Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
> That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
> IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?
> 
>> On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
>> connectorized radio. 
>>  
>> From: Jeremy
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
>> theTrango List
>>  
>> Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me 
>> some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go 
>> with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their 
>> products.  I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity 
>> product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you 
>> know, thanks!
>>  
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually 
>>> exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have 
>>> some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
>>>  
>>> But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me 
>>> know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish 
>>> install. 
>>>  
>>> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
>>> theTrango List
>>>  
>>> I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
>>> platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
>>> dishes too.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>> 
 My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
 heads, even at MSRP.
  
 On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they 
> couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full 
> MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was 
> initially working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I 
> actually sent the radio in.  
> 
> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out 
>> of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited 
>> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno 
>> dice.
>>  
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Nah.  Just funnin ya
>>> 
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>  
 On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
 No way
  
 From: Steve Jones
 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be 
 on the Trango List
  
 ...someone say Lents ending?
  
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>  wrote:
> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and 
> AFMUG was born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then 
> but it's my reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving 
> up Lent for Lent tomorrow...
> 
> Jaime Solorza
>  
>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> is this the one?
>>  
>> a few messages later i see messages like this -

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Dave]

We need some remakes LOL


On 02/14/2018 01:31 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Lol there still there! I made them

From: Af > on 
behalf of David Milholen >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:23 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be 
on the Trango List


I miss the funny youtube videos of hitler

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On 02/13/2018 06:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and 
AFMUG was born. Something like that...too many Tecates since then but 
it's my reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up 
Lent for Lent tomorrow...


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:


is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list? I'm getting bounce
messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit 
*To:* motor...@part-15.org 
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll
commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up
I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG  and you all
can do whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support
PART-15.ORG  then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG  will just fade away which
appears to be what you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG  maybe
he could get back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG  so why the
hell should I let them in
for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

Michael



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.� No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" >
To: >
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.� I have
not heard

>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys� ... Peterman just the other day (?)

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

I ran out of room when I tried.  That is on the APC version.  


From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...





  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.  


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way. 
 

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well? 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too 
slow.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  We have been shipping for months.
  The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
  And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.

  The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

  All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price 
down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

  I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

  -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  Hi Chuck,

  Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

  Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[George Skorup]

Cool. And I assume that's no coincidence with Trango calling it quits.

On 2/14/2018 1:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:
No, PTP820 is Ceragon.  They just released an adapter that will 
interface with the Trango dishes.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz
ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an
adapter to move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?

On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you
choose a connectorized radio.
*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could
maybe get me some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four
radios I may as well go with a manufacturer that is actually in
business, and can support their products.  I am just going to
replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown 
wrote:

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that
does actually exist, (even though Gino is probably given up
hope that that is so.  I have some done for Gino.  Just not
shipped yet.)
But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to
anything, let me know.  I can typically do one for less than
the cost of a new dish/dish install.
*From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
I expect that there will be a robust used market as people
move to other platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer
that has Trango adapters for dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy 
wrote:


My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get
any Remec heads, even at MSRP.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke
 wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment
somewhere.  I just sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair
a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't repair it,
but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.
But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The
person I was initially working with on the repair was
gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is
pretty much out of business?  No sales force, no sales,
RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to
get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Nah. Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola]
I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later
about the animal farm attitude or nature of
what had happened... Chuck ran with it and
AFMUG was born. Something like that...too
many Tecates since then but it's my reality
and you all just live in it .. thinking of
giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
   

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

PTP800 is remec

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

PTP820 is also Remec is it not?

From: George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?

On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me some 
Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a 
manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, 
(even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have some done 
for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know.  
I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish install.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an Apex 
Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't repair 
it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost 
everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the 
repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
No way

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

...someone say Lents ending?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit
To: motor...@part-15.org
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ceragon

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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PTP820 is also Remec is it not?

From: George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?

On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me some 
Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a 
manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, 
(even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have some done 
for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know.  
I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish install.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an Apex 
Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't repair 
it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost 
everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the 
repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
No way

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

...someone say Lents ending?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit
To: motor...@part-15.org
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert Andrews]

yes they are,   now,   It wasn't so great when they first got going... 
I told them they could keep a unit rather than the charge to repair it 
and ship it back with the an early unit.  Glad to see they are better.


On 02/14/2018 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know, and I appreciate it.  Just want to be fair to Netonix.  They are 
reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.

& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a 
per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list 
price. That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you 
can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes 
adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if 
I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But 
if I am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports 
appears to be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Jeremy]

No, PTP820 is Ceragon.  They just released an adapter that will interface
with the Trango dishes.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
> Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz
> ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to
> move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?
>
> On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a
> connectorized radio.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
> Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me
> some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go
> with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their
> products.  I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity
> product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you
> know, thanks!
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually
>> exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have
>> some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
>>
>> But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me
>> know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish
>> install.
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
>> on theTrango List
>>
>> I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other
>> platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for
>> dishes too.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec
>> heads, even at MSRP.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an
>>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't
>>> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But
>>> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially
>>> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent
>>> the radio in.
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>
>>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out
>>> of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited
>>> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Nah.  Just funnin ya

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

> No way
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should
> be on the Trango List
>
> ...someone say Lents ending?
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm
>> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG 
>> was
>> born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my
>> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for 
>> Lent
>> tomorrow...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> is this the one?
>>>
>>> a few messages later i see messages like this -
>>>
>>> *To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
>>> *Subject:* Part-15 list
>>>
>>> Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce
>>> messages when
>>> I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.
>>>
>>> Here is the message:
>>> Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Bullit
>>> *To:* motor...@part-15.org
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Dave]

I believe so


On 02/14/2018 01:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be 
on theTrango List
Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz 
ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an 
adapter to move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?


On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should 
be on theTrango List
Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz. She said that she could maybe get 
me some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as 
well go with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can 
support their products.  I am just going to replace the link with a 
higher capacity product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom 
adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does
actually exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that
that is so.  I have some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything,
let me know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a
new dish/dish install.
*From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move
to other platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has
Trango adapters for dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any
Remec heads, even at MSRP.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke 
wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I
just sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks
ago. They said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the
option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost
everyone is gone from Trango. The person I was initially
working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time
I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is
pretty much out of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA
onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to get
radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Nah. Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I
QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later
about the animal farm attitude or nature of
what had happened... Chuck ran with it and
AFMUG was born. Something like that...too many
Tecates since then but it's my reality and you
all just live in it .. thinking of giving up
Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like
this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list
Are you having problems posting to the
list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to
email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid:

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Gino A. Villarini]

Lol there still there! I made them

From: Af > on behalf of David 
Milholen >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:23 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the 
Trango List

I miss the funny youtube videos of hitler




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 02/13/2018 06:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm attitude or 
nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something 
like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and you all just 
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:

is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this -

To: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---

- Original Message -
From: Bullit
To: motor...@part-15.org
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do 
whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support 
PART-15.ORG then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what 
you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get 
back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I 
let them in
for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

Michael



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" 
>
To: >
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard

>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
> maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
>
> Funny thing, though, in my Thunderbird (email client ...) all the
Trango
> chat ended up in my Trango folder anyway!  :-P
>
> --
> ***
> Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator
> http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp
> ***
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Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Dave]

If you goto an S you limit yourself to a single core performance but if 
you ever want to push a Gig in one direction I would say
go C to give you that option even though you may not do it right away it 
will be there to turn up instead of going back for a redo



On 02/14/2018 01:20 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz 
ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an 
adapter to move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?


On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should 
be on theTrango List
Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe 
get me some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I 
may as well go with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and 
can support their products.  I am just going to replace the link with 
a higher capacity product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom 
adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does
actually exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that
that is so.  I have some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything,
let me know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a
new dish/dish install.
*From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move
to other platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has
Trango adapters for dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any
Remec heads, even at MSRP.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke 
wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I
just sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks
ago.  They said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the
option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost
everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially
working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time
I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is
pretty much out of business? No sales force, no sales, RMA
onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to get
radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I
QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later
about the animal farm attitude or nature of
what had happened... Chuck ran with it and
AFMUG was born. Something like that...too many
Tecates since then but it's my reality and you
all just live in it .. thinking of giving up
Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like
this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list
Are you having problems posting to the
list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to
email bullit directly.

Here is the message:

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Gino A. Villarini]

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit?

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device 
that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved 
in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't encourage 
anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That site is only 
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula across 
the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get other 
places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down 
due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was 
able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Mike Hammett]

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year. 

Chuck McCown wrote: 
> It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. 
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... 
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track. Same format as before. 
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event. 
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> Chuck, 
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning? 
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since... 
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days? 
> TJ 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>  wrote: 
> 
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 
> Thus the need for a fuse ! 
> :) 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> http://www.snappytelecom.net 
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or 
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>  
> 
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> That's hitting the nail on the head. I don't want penis 
> enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge 
> protectors and power systems and network equipment. 
> Spam me Chuck. Spam me like one of your French girls. 
> -- Original Message -- 
> From: "Mathew Howard"  
> To: "af"  
> Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to 
> the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my 
> afmug folder. 
> 
> The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them 
> more than once because my other email address is on 
> Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother 
> unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff 
> that I'm interested in. 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
>  wrote: 
> 
> Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from 
> the spam but not the list. And Mail Chimp will never 
> ever ever ever let me send that person anything again 
> for all of eternity. They rate the quality of lists 
> for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc. I have a 
> pretty good rating with them. 
> 
> The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and 
> swap fest. 
> 
> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too. But only 
> on Friday morning. 
> 
> I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now 
> compared to before. 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> 
> I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise... 
> #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ... Come on, Chuck's products are 
> about the most 
> worthy of any vendor I know. And POE fuses... It's 
> a fricken godsend!!! 
> 
> BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the 
> little racks with 
> them.. Oh well, amazon... 
> 
> 
> Robert 
> 
> On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
> 
> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp 
> list about once a year. 
> 
> You do realize that this list is my list, right? 
> 
> So essentially every time I make a posting here I 
> am spamming you, right? 
> 
> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to 
> use MailChimp. 
> 
> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? That 
> will prevent it from ever happening again. 
> 
> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with 
> that? 
> 
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his 
> email lists nor done any 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

I know, and I appreciate it.  Just want to be fair to Netonix.  They are 
reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.

& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust 
the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I 
am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Chuck McCown]

PTP820 is also Remec is it not?

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?


On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

  Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me 
some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with 
a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually 
exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have 
some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me 
know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish 
install.  

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


  My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
heads, even at MSRP.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent 
an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't 
repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, 
almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with 
on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.  


On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

  On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much 
out of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited 
time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

  No way

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should 
be on the Trango List

  ...someone say Lents ending?

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the animal 
farm attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was 
born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality 
and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent 
tomorrow...


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:


  is this the one?

  a few messages later i see messages like this - 

  To: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
  Subject: Part-15 list

  Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting 
bounce messages when 
  I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit 
directly.

  Here is the message:
  Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

  ---


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bullit 
  To: motor...@part-15.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango 
List

  LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. 
I'll commend you
  on your steadfast devotion.

  Michael

  

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Dave]

I miss the funny youtube videos of hitler

On 02/13/2018 06:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG 
was born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's 
my reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent 
for Lent tomorrow...


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" > wrote:


is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce
messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit 
*To:* motor...@part-15.org 
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll
commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up
I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG  and you all
can do whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support PART-15.ORG
 then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG  will just fade away which appears
to be what you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG  maybe he
could get back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG  so why the
hell should I let them in
for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

Michael



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org
] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" >
To: >
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not
heard

>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
> maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
>
> Funny thing, though, in my Thunderbird (email client ...) all the
Trango
> chat ended up in my Trango folder anyway!  :-P
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert Andrews]

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your 
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.


& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list 
price. That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you 
can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust 
the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if 
I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But 
if I am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears 
to be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[George Skorup]

Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz 
ApexPlus. That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter 
to move to IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?


On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be 
on theTrango List
Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get 
me some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as 
well go with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can 
support their products.  I am just going to replace the link with a 
higher capacity product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom 
adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does
actually exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that
that is so.  I have some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything,
let me know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a
new dish/dish install.
*From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on theTrango List
I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to
other platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango
adapters for dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any
Remec heads, even at MSRP.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke 
wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I
just sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks
ago. They said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the
option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost
everyone is gone from Trango. The person I was initially
working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I
actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is
pretty much out of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA
onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to get radios
for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I
QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later
about the animal farm attitude or nature of what
had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was
born. Something like that...too many Tecates
since then but it's my reality and you all just
live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for
Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list
Are you having problems posting to the
list?  I'm getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to
email bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid:
motor...@part-15.org

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit
*To:* motor...@part-15.org
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get

other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert Andrews]

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one 
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the 
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...




On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if 
that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Mathew Howard]

One of the things I liked about Animal Farm was that the timing was much
better than any of the other shows. The WISPA shows are late enough in the
spring that the weather is already getting nice enough to be doing
(non-essential) tower work, and early enough in the fall that it's still
nice out. I wish they'd move WISPAmerica up to late January/early February.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process down.
>> But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF
>> as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I don’t
>> have to do much other than MC the event.
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Chuck,
>> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>> unpalatable parts of planning?
>> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>> wispa I haven't attended since...
>> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> TJ
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> Thus the need for a fuse !
>> :)
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> 
>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>> enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
>> protectors and power systems and network equipment.
>> Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
>> the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
>> afmug folder.
>>
>> The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
>> more than once because my other email address is on
>> Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
>> unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
>> that I'm interested in.
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
>> the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
>> ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
>> for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
>> for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
>> pretty good rating with them.
>>
>> The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
>> swap fest.
>>
>> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
>> on Friday morning.
>>
>> I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
>> compared to before.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>> I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise...
>> #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ...   Come on, Chuck's products are
>> about the most
>> worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's
>> a fricken godsend!!!
>>
>> BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the
>> little racks with
>> them..   Oh well, amazon...

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

Just bug all my distributors to place stocking orders.  That works miracles.

-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, 
if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks for the reply... 

I was looking at things more simply...
 To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
 Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if 
that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

> We have been shipping for months.
> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
> fuse.
> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
> involved in blowing a port.
> 
> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
> 
> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
> 
> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
> 
> Question & critique.
>   When are these going to be available ?
>   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jay Weekley]

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.


Chuck McCown wrote:
It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Chuck,
How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
unpalatable parts of planning?
Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
wispa I haven't attended since...
Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
wispamerica in 20 days?

TJ
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:


>>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
Thus the need for a fuse !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
protectors and power systems and network equipment.
Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
afmug folder.

The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
more than once because my other email address is on
Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
that I'm interested in.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
pretty good rating with them.

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
on Friday morning.

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
compared to before.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ...   Come on, Chuck's products are
about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's
a fricken godsend!!!

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the
little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp
list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I
am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to
use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That
will prevent it from ever happening again.

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Mike Hammett]

No processor architecture has the same performance per MHz as any other 
processor architecture, even same manufacturer, same family. This applies to 
everything, not just MT. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:14:53 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ? 

When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ. I.E. For a single 
CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging. Will a 
x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz? I have 
some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz. 
I'm trying to figure out if they can route packets faster or slower than 
a CCR1009. Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an Ethernet interface. 

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Adam Moffett]

That's never the case across CPU architectures.


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 12:14:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ.  I.E. For a single 
CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging.  Will a 
x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz?  I have 
some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz. 
 I'm trying to figure out if they can route packets faster or slower 
than a CCR1009.  Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an Ethernet 
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Mathew Howard]

No... every CPU type is going to be different.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ.  I.E. For a single CPU
> application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging.  Will a x86 CPU
> at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz?  I have some older
> ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz.  I'm trying to
> figure out if they can route packets faster or slower than a CCR1009.
> Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an Ethernet interface.
>

Re: [AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Bill Prince]

Apples and oranges. Different processor architectures can accomplish 
different amounts of work per instruction cycle. Even different RISC 
processors have different work/MHz ratios.


Above my pay grade to parse it out.


bp


On 2/14/2018 9:14 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ.  I.E. For a single 
CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging. Will a 
x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz?  I have 
some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 
ghz.  I'm trying to figure out if they can route packets faster or 
slower than a CCR1009.  Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an 
Ethernet interface.

[AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Nate Burke]

When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ.  I.E. For a single 
CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging.  Will a 
x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz?  I have 
some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz.  
I'm trying to figure out if they can route packets faster or slower than 
a CCR1009.  Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an Ethernet interface.

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Chuck McCown]

I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
connectorized radio.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me some 
Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go with a 
manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their products.  I 
am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity product and move it 
elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually 
exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have 
some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

  But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me 
know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish 
install.  

  From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

  I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.


  Jeff Broadwick 
  CTIconnect

  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

  On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
heads, even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't 
repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, 
almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with 
on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.  


  On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out 
of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Nah.  Just funnin ya


  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

No way

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should 
be on the Trango List

...someone say Lents ending?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was 
born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality 
and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent 
tomorrow...


  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:


is this the one?

a few messages later i see messages like this - 

To: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting 
bounce messages when 
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit 
directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---


- Original Message - 
From: Bullit 
To: motor...@part-15.org 
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango 
List

LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll 
commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango 
List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts 
up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Jeremy]

Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me
some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go
with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their
products.  I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity
product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you
know, thanks!

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually
> exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have
> some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
>
> But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me
> know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish
> install.
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
> theTrango List
>
> I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other
> platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for
> dishes too.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec
> heads, even at MSRP.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an
>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't
>> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But
>> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially
>> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent
>> the radio in.
>>
>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of
>> business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited
>> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Nah.  Just funnin ya
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 No way

 *From:* Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
 on the Trango List

 ...someone say Lents ending?

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm
> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was
> born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my
> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent
> tomorrow...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> is this the one?
>>
>> a few messages later i see messages like this -
>>
>> *To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Part-15 list
>>
>> Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce
>> messages when
>> I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.
>>
>> Here is the message:
>> Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org
>>
>> ---
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bullit
>> *To:* motor...@part-15.org
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>
>> LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll
>> commend you
>> on your steadfast devotion.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>
>> Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I
>> just
>> read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.
>>
>> So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
>> community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
>> next time, LOL!)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Bullit
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
>> To: 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Chuck McCown]

U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually exist, 
(even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have some done 
for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)

But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me know.  
I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish install.  

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
theTrango List

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:


  My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
even at MSRP.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't 
repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But yes, 
almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially working with 
on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.  


On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

  On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time.  
Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:

  No way

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be 
on the Trango List

  ...someone say Lents ending?

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was 
born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality 
and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent 
tomorrow...


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:


  is this the one?

  a few messages later i see messages like this - 

  To: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
  Subject: Part-15 list

  Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce 
messages when 
  I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

  Here is the message:
  Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

  ---


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bullit 
  To: motor...@part-15.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

  LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll 
commend you
  on your steadfast devotion.

  Michael

  -Original Message-
  From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
  Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
  To: motor...@part-15.org
  Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

  Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up 
I just
  read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

  So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
  community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum 
mode
  next time, LOL!)



  -Original Message-
  From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
  Behalf Of Bullit
  Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
  To: motor...@part-15.org
  Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

  Do you all want all the lists to be free?

  If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do whatever you 
want.

  I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support 
PART-15.ORG then
  don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else 
because
  PART-15.ORG will just fade away 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
> even at MSRP.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't 
>> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But 
>> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially 
>> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent 
>> the radio in.  
>> 
>>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
>>> business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time. 
>>>  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
 Nah.  Just funnin ya
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
> No way
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> the Trango List
>  
> ...someone say Lents ending?
>  
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>  wrote:
>> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
>> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG 
>> was born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my 
>> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for 
>> Lent tomorrow...
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> is this the one?
>>>  
>>> a few messages later i see messages like this -
>>>  
>>> To: CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
>>> Subject: Part-15 list
>>> 
>>> Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce 
>>> messages when 
>>> I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.
>>> 
>>> Here is the message:
>>> Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org
>>> 
>>> ---
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Bullit
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>>  
>>> LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend 
>>> you
>>> on your steadfast devotion.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>> 
>>> Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I just
>>> read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.
>>> 
>>> So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
>>> community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
>>> next time, LOL!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bullit
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>> 
>>> Do you all want all the lists to be free?
>>> 
>>> If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do whatever you want.
>>> 
>>> I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support PART-15.ORG then
>>> don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
>>> PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what you guys want
>>> and I
>>> have no problem with that idea.
>>> 
>>> And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
>>> bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get back on the
>>> lists.
>>> As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
>>> They
>>> don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I let them in
>>> for
>>> free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Nate Burke]

Maybe that was the difference, They said it had a bad OMU, but the ODU 
was fine.  $3450 to replace it, I declined.


On 2/14/2018 9:55 AM, Jeremy wrote:
My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
heads, even at MSRP.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just
sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They
said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a
new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from
Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the repair was
gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty
much out of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA
onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to get radios for
a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, > wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT -
This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the
animal farm attitude or nature of what had
happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.
Something like that...too many Tecates since then but
it's my reality and you all just live in it ..
thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
> wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm
getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email
bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid:
motor...@part-15.org 

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit
*To:* motor...@part-15.org

*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
on the Trango List
LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to
a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org

Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread
like this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then
dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is
necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form
(hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org

[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org

Subject: [Motorola] I 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Jeremy]

My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec
heads, even at MSRP.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an
> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't
> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But
> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially
> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent
> the radio in.
>
> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of
> business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited
> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Nah.  Just funnin ya
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No way
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
>>> on the Trango List
>>>
>>> ...someone say Lents ending?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm
 attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was
 born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my
 reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent
 tomorrow...

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:

>
> is this the one?
>
> a few messages later i see messages like this -
>
> *To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Part-15 list
>
> Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce
> messages when
> I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.
>
> Here is the message:
> Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org
>
> ---
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bullit
> *To:* motor...@part-15.org
> *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>
> LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll
> commend you
> on your steadfast devotion.
>
> Michael
>
> -Original Message-
> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
> To: motor...@part-15.org
> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>
> Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I
> just
> read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.
>
> So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
> community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
> next time, LOL!)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Bullit
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
> To: motor...@part-15.org
> Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>
> Do you all want all the lists to be free?
>
> If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do whatever you want.
>
> I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support PART-15.ORG
> then
> don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
> PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what you guys want
> and I
> have no problem with that idea.
>
> And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
> bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get back on the
> lists.
> As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
> They
> don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I let them in
> for
> free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
> To: motor...@part-15.org
> Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List
>
> Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Handiboe" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Nate Burke]

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they 
couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full 
MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was 
initially working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I 
actually sent the radio in.


On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out 
of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a 
limited time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing 
linkno dice.


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, > wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the
animal farm attitude or nature of what had happened...
Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something like
that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and
you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for
Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm
getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email
bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit
*To:* motor...@part-15.org
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
the Trango List
LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a
forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the
Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like
this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary,
but the
community/list will live on in whatever form
(hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the
Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG 
and you all can do whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support
PART-15.ORG  then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere
else because
PART-15.ORG  will just fade away
which appears to be what you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu
would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG
 maybe he could get back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as
I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG 
   

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.  


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way. 
 

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well? 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too 
slow.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  We have been shipping for months.
  The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
  And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.

  The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

  All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price 
down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

  I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

  -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  Hi Chuck,

  Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

  Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[can...@believewireless.net]

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
> slow.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
>> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
>> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>>
>> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> We have been shipping for months.
>>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>>> fuse.
>>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>>> involved in blowing a port.
>>>
>>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>>
>>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>>
>>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>>> margins.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>>
>>> Question & critique.
>>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to
>>> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

That would have been ideal, however the PTC solidstate fuses do not blow 
fast enough.
And doing a solid state current sensor runs up the cost and has it's own set 
of problems.
If you are supplying the current it is no problem as you have an easy way to 
sense and interrupt the current.  But when you are dropping in-line to an 
existing circuit you have to be totally isolated, balanced, not affect the 
ethernet signal and able to cope with a wide variety of currents and 
voltages.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the 
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am 
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am 
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Jeremy]

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of
business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited
time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Nah.  Just funnin ya
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
>
>> No way
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
>> on the Trango List
>>
>> ...someone say Lents ending?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm
>>> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was
>>> born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my
>>> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for Lent
>>> tomorrow...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 is this the one?

 a few messages later i see messages like this -

 *To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
 *Subject:* Part-15 list

 Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce
 messages when
 I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.

 Here is the message:
 Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

 ---

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Bullit
 *To:* motor...@part-15.org
 *Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

 LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend
 you
 on your steadfast devotion.

 Michael

 -Original Message-
 From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
 Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
 To: motor...@part-15.org
 Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

 Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I just
 read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

 So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
 community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
 next time, LOL!)



 -Original Message-
 From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
 Behalf Of Bullit
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
 To: motor...@part-15.org
 Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

 Do you all want all the lists to be free?

 If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do whatever you want.

 I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support PART-15.ORG then
 don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
 PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what you guys want
 and I
 have no problem with that idea.

 And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
 bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get back on the
 lists.
 As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
 They
 don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I let them in
 for
 free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

 Michael



 -Original Message-
 From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
 Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
 To: motor...@part-15.org
 Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

 Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Michael Handiboe" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


 > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 >> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard

 >> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
 >
 >> David Sovreen
 >> Dan Peterman
 >
 > I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
 > maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
 >
 > Funny thing, though, in my Thunderbird (email client ...) all the
 Trango
 > chat ended up in my Trango folder anyway!  :-P
 >
 > --
 > ***
 > Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator
 > http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp
 > ***
 > 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Robert]

Do the fuses protect against the same things as the surge protectors? 
Or do you need those in line also?


On 2/14/18 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended 
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?


Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of 
the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same 
formula across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products 
you can't get other places.    If volume increases on a product, I 
sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come 
down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be 
paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on 
sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably 
and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[TJ Trout]

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>
> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>
> We have been shipping for months.
>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>> fuse.
>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>> involved in blowing a port.
>>
>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>
>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>
>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>> margins.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>
>> Question & critique.
>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Adam Moffett]

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended 
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?


Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes 
adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For 
example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 
for each.  But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still 
maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Chuck McCown]

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the 
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am 
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am 
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* I'm the opposite of TJ. I probably won't go to an Animal Farm-only 
event, just like I don't go to MUMs anymore. Limited time away, let's just 
knock it out all at once. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:22:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 




It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process down. But 
WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as its 
own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. 
Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... 

So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track. Same format as before. 
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And I don’t have 
to do much other than MC the event. 




From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 


Chuck, 

How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the unpalatable 
parts of planning? 

Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into wispa I 
haven't attended since... 

Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ wispamerica in 
20 days? 

TJ 


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





>> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 

Thus the need for a fuse ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 








My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 




From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 




That's hitting the nail on the head. I don't want penis enlargement spam, but I 
definitely want to hear about surge protectors and power systems and network 
equipment. 

Spam me Chuck. Spam me like one of your French girls. 



-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 






Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list anymore... for 
some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder. 

The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than once 
because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough 
to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff that I'm 
interested in. 



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not the 
list. And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person anything 
again for all of eternity. They rate the quality of lists for how many bounces, 
unsubscribes etc. I have a pretty good rating with them. 

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest. 

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too. But only on Friday morning. 

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to before. 

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 



I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise... 
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ... Come on, Chuck's products are about the most 
worthy of any vendor I know. And POE fuses... It's a fricken godsend!!! 

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with 
them.. Oh well, amazon... 


Robert 

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 


I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year. 

You do realize that this list is my list, right? 

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? 

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp. 

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? That will prevent it from ever 
happening again. 

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that? 

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets. 

Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process down.  But 
WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as its 
own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.  
Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...

So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I don’t have 
to do much other than MC the event.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Chuck, 

How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the unpalatable 
parts of planning?

Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into wispa I 
haven't attended since...

Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ wispamerica in 
20 days?

TJ

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...

  Thus the need for a fuse !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis enlargement spam, 
but I definitely want to hear about surge protectors and power systems and 
network equipment.

Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list 
anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder.


  The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than once 
because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough 
to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff that I'm 
interested in.


  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not 
the list.  And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person 
anything again for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists for how 
many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a pretty good rating with them.

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only on Friday morning.

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to 
before.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 


I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken 
godsend!!!

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

  You do realize that this list is my list, right?

  So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

  I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

  Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from 
ever happening again.

  -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

  I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done 
any business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

  Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Jaime Solorza]

I live in two wireless world's...on the SCADA side, we use top quality
components which have a higher cost for critical operational needs, i.e.,
clean and waste water systems. Phoenix Contact and Puls power supplies,
etc.  So we protect everything with fuses and grounding...I have been
criticized by some on this list when we started using Ubiquiti Tough
switches on some installations.   Only one had to be replaced so far.  We
used them because they did their job.  On another project we installed
solar panel systems and the Tycon POE controllers started have issues
within weeks.  We took some TS-5s and connected them to 24vdc feed and no
more problems.
We are going to order some of Chuck's fuses and give a whirl on our
systems...Which will include Phoenix Contact and Ubiquiti switches.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 14, 2018 8:00 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>
> Question & critique.
>When are these going to be available ?
>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to
> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Mike Hammett]

Buy better switches? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:00:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... 

Hi Chuck, 

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. 

Question & critique. 
When are these going to be available ? 
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... 
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

[AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net